Why does spells cast with Drizzt's armor fail?
ShadoJakk
supposed to allow you to cast spells while wearing it. Yet,when attempting to
cast a magic missle,it always FAILS and fizzles out...why?
Yet,identify spells work fine...but there is no real reason why this should
happen.
Also,im currently NOT using the patch(had no real problems yet,so chose not to
mess up games in progress...)but i am wondering if this problems STILL exists
after the patch?
ShadoJakk
Michael Andersen
This is only so for an Elven Chain Mail, of wich there are none in the game,
as far as I know (LET me know if it's so!).
HA HA HA so much for stealing (or did U cheat?) Drizzt's armor. Just kidding
;-).
Happy Gaming
Michael Andersen (remove _nospam_ to reply)
ShadoJakk skrev i meddelelsen
<19990215212800...@ng-fd1.aol.com>...
Joe Cooke
<ma@_nospam_ogconsult.dk> wrote:
>No it is not supposed to allow casting spells while wearing it!
>This is only so for an Elven Chain Mail, of wich there are none in the game,
>as far as I know (LET me know if it's so!).
>
>HA HA HA so much for stealing (or did U cheat?) Drizzt's armor. Just kidding
>;-).
I'm not sure if you can steal his armour, but I got Imoen to nick both
his swords. Fucking hell theyre good !!!
Joe
---\|@ ro...@thehospital.demon.co.uk @|\---
-------------= my icq - 26285757 =------------
ShadoJakk
cast CERTAIN spells,and use my theif abilities.Now..why do COMBAT oriented
spells fail while wearing Drizzt's armor? Especially Magic Misssle? And does
the patch FIX this?
And no..i didnt cheat..i just plugged him with enough arrows to kill Godzilla
thou ;)
Hey..he's worth 12k exp. The swords n armor were just bonus.
Paul
>his swords. Fucking hell theyre good !!!
Damn, how'd you do that? I keep getting killed even after drinking 3
different potions that improve my thieving abilities (course my base is only
about 35, but the Master Thief potion should have taken care of that by
itself)
ShadoJakk
off..but this will NO LONGER work in the patched games..also killing Drizzt
will do it..but the fact that he deals on average 45 hp's of damage to a
character...well...your best bet is to attack him with ALOT of summoned
skeletons or monsters AND/OR Equip a character with Boots of speed,everyone
else with arrows or ranged attacks..and run around,have Drizzt chase the one
character,and have the others shoot at him(just be careful NOT to lead him to
the other party members...)
Now? Can anyone awnser my original post?
sigh..
ChiaTroll
also known as mythril but i can't find that anymore in my dm's guide for
some reason(rules on elven chain i can't find)
Joe Cooke wrote in message <36c9b35b...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:10:06 +0100, "Michael Andersen"
><ma@_nospam_ogconsult.dk> wrote:
>
>>No it is not supposed to allow casting spells while wearing it!
>>This is only so for an Elven Chain Mail, of wich there are none in the
game,
>>as far as I know (LET me know if it's so!).
>>
>>HA HA HA so much for stealing (or did U cheat?) Drizzt's armor. Just
kidding
>>;-).
>
>I'm not sure if you can steal his armour, but I got Imoen to nick both
>his swords. Fucking hell theyre good !!!
>
ChiaTroll
armor on his spells were totally greyed out. No spells even offered
working.
Also other ways to kill drizzit i'll mention. Without summong creatures
and undead.
1. 6 tries and like 3 level 7 fighters all on potions of stormgiant str,
potions that haste you, and the red potions that are like ones of heriosm.
and whatever preperationspells you can cast on them.
2. Boots of speed and a ranged weapon prefered for this is the axe +2
because he is very hard to his and this weapon reappears in you hand after
being throw so you never run out of ammo.
3. Boots of speed and hide in shadows baskstab run away try again.
btw drizzit is kinda stupid with this for some reason he doesn't notice he
can't see you until you circle around him a few times when he is just
standing still thats when he notices he can't see you.
Also he can hit a priest threw set santuary i had my evil preist try that to
use allhte poitions and his preperation spells before the fight but he was
killed while in a santuary spell... doesn't really make sence. Also why does
he chase invisable and hidden poeple for a while before he noticed there
invisable or hidden.
ShadoJakk wrote in message <19990217002041...@ng150.aol.com>...
sal...@xmission.com
elven chain mail.
From the Arms & Equipment book, "Elven chain mail is the only form of armor
made of a legendary elven alloy, a light-weight silvery steel of great
strength. Even without enchantment, elven chain mail is typically half the
weight of its human-forged counterpart." Mithril is one part of the alloy
used to create elven chain.
The rest of the books are pretty vague on what exactly can and can't be done
in elven chain. The Player's Handbook states that elves in elven chain can
cast freely, and Spells & Magic states that the only kinds of armor that do
not interfere with spellcasting are elven chain and elven plate mail.
At any rate, this only applies to elven chain, which Drizzt's armor is not.
He may be an elf (drow) but that doesn't make his armor elven chain. Also,
it specifically states in the armor's description that it was crafted for
him by his friend, Bruenor. Bruenor is a dwarf, so it's impossible for him
to make elven chain.
If the game allows the casting of spells in Drizzt's armor, it seems it was
either a design decision based on the armor's extreme quality and the fact
that it only weighs 7 lbs, or the guys at Bioware found an AD&D rule I don't
know about (I'm no rules lawyer).
(For what it's worth, Skills & Powers allow a mage to choose to be able to
cast in broad categories of armor, or specific armors)
ShadoJakk
Leather OR elven chain mail allow theiving abilities to work.
Also...Drizzt's Mail IS Elven Chain..Mithril Chain mail is the item
discription..but its the same thing. And your quoting of the Arms and Equipment
guide did NOT disprove this point. I too have the guide,and from the
discription included inside,its fair to say that Drizzt's mail IS elven chain.
Hopefully the spammer mutation will prove to be an evolutionary
Well, not if the item description actually says that it was made by
Bruenor. Since Bruenor is a Dwarf, as was previously pointed out,
armor he made would not be *elven* anything. <G>
Cynic
playing Cymric's Advocate :)
sal...@xmission.com
Elven chain is a combination of mithril and some other unknown quantity --
that is stated clearly in the guide. Mithril chain, lacking that other
unknown, is merely mithril chain.
Drizzt's armor is mithril chain sized to fit him. That doesn't make it
elven chain. (If that relationship were true, then it's still not elven,
it'd be drow, but it's definitely not drow chain, which is also covered in
Arms & Equipment.)
The armor's history also bears this out -- Bruenor, a dwarf, made it. The
secret of making elven chain mail is kept fanatically secret by the elves,
who consider an apprenticeship with a master who knows the secret to be the
highest honor accorded to any single elf, save being chosen by his peers to
lead the elven race. No piddly young dwarf-king knows how to make the
stuff. He does, however, make some very fine mithril chain.
As far as allowing thieving abilities...
Bards are allowed to use thief abilities in chain mail or ring mail, but
thieves are not. It's another one of those arbitrary decisions made by the
AD&D designers... however, seeing as how Drizzt's armor is so light, perhaps
Bioware decided to treat it as leather or elven chain as far as thief
abilities go. It's their option, as they are the de facto DM in BG. There
is a Complete Thief's Handbook (I don't have it) which may extend the armor
chart further... it's been a while since I read it. If I were the DM and I
created some +4 mithril chain that only weighed 7 lbs, I would allow thief
abilities and spellcasting, personally.
(You left out padded, hide, and studded leather, by the way. Regular
thieves are allowed to wear those, too, and still use their thief
abilities.)
And, of course, there is also the possibility that the armor is buggy.
Since I doubt the armor was really ever intended for players to use, you
might as well just enjoy it the way it is.
ShadoJakk wrote in message <19990218153753...@ng-fs1.aol.com>...
ShadoJakk
unfortantely NOT been helpful in awnsering my question,why do SOME SPELLS WORK
WITH DRIZZT ARMOR (IDENTIFY) and some always FAIL(MAGIC MISSILE). Also,does
this problem become fixed one way or another with the patch? I understand what
Cynic is saying...unfortantely the cause he is trying to uphold is not relevent
to the original question. I do not CARE to deliberate about what Drizzts armor
IS or what its trying to mimic,but to find out WHY it does what it does,and if
it is a game bug. Thats it.
ShadoJakk
who doesnt play......
Irayd8
it, Buster Bracer did, he was, is, the finest armorer in the Realms, or in
Icewind Dale.
Krzysztof Huryn (@home)
Cooke) wrote:
>I'm not sure if you can steal his armour, but I got Imoen to nick both
>his swords. Fucking hell theyre good !!!
No, you can't steal his armor (I tried).
After getting both swords, you get message "Target has no valid
items". So you must in fact kill Drizzt in order to get his armor.
ShadoJakk
my original question..................which i have asked three times now.
Rather than show off HOW well you know Drizzt and AD&D books..can someone
actually AWNSER the question?
Gellor Aerdy
spells). I believe other posts have mentioned that you can cast non-offensive
spells such as identify successfully while wearing the armor. It's surprising
that you are allowed to cast any spells but maybe that's something different that
the developers put in to make it more interesting. Or maybe it's a bug to allow
you to cast (or attempt to cast) any spells while wearing his magical armor. The
"fizzle" may be a hole in the code that allows you to start the invocation but it
can't allow you to successfully complete the spell so it resorts to a "fizzle"
affect. It's not the nicest thing to do since you now have lost that spell. Not
letting you cast it at least lets you keep the spell.
That's my attempt (guess) at answering your question.
Jonathon Creswell
<tgr...@earthlink.net> writes
>Perhaps, the magic of the armor "interferes" with certain spells (like offensive
>spells). I believe other posts have mentioned that you can cast non-offensive
>spells such as identify successfully while wearing the armor. It's surprising
>that you are allowed to cast any spells but maybe that's something different
>
>
>
ability by clicking on the item instead of actually targeting the spell?
--
Jonathon Creswell
Luke Attwood
Drizzt likes it up the Gary !
Gellor Aerdy wrote in message <36D15B36...@earthlink.net>...
>Perhaps, the magic of the armor "interferes" with certain spells (like
offensive
>spells). I believe other posts have mentioned that you can cast
non-offensive
>spells such as identify successfully while wearing the armor. It's
surprising
>that you are allowed to cast any spells but maybe that's something
Hopefully the spammer mutation will prove to be an evolutionary
<Luke.A...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> And guess what? Absolutely NOT ONE single reply to this thread has been
>about
>>> my original question..................which i have asked three times now.
>>> Rather than show off HOW well you know Drizzt and AD&D books..can someone
>>> actually AWNSER the question?
That's because your question was boring. So boring in fact, that it
was many times more interesting to diverge off into alternate threads
and endlessly regenerating arguments. :)
Cynic
ShadoJakk
childish..and trollish..
Cynic? isnt that someone who is only interested in him/herself? Figures.....
ShadoJakk
Who thanks for the other posters thoughts..the idea of a bug in the armor is
the most likely.
ChiaTroll
drizzt armor qualifies as lighter
but I think I remember readin somewhere elven chainmail otherwise known at
mythril I can't find that anywhere though so maybe I was dreaming.
Hopefully the spammer mutation will prove to be an evolutionary
>Cynic? isnt that someone who is only interested in him/herself? Figures.....
No, not at all. Before you fling insults, perhaps you should invest in
a dictionary. :)
>ShadoJakk
Cynic
ShadoJakk
Second..i did look up the meaning IN a dictionary JUST so you couldnt say that.
Why dont YOU look it up,since it IS your name.
cyn*ic (noun)
[Middle French or Latin, Middle French cynique, from Latin cynicus, from Greek
kynikos, literally, like a dog, from kyn-, kyon dog -- more at HOUND]
First appeared circa 1564
1 capitalized : an adherent of an ancient Greek school of philosophers who
held the view that virtue is the only good and that its essence lies in
self-control and independence
2 : a faultfinding captious critic; especially : one who believes that human
conduct is motivated wholly by self-interest
-- cynic (adjective)
have fun......
ShadoJakk
Who is more than done with fools like Cynic.
ShadoJakk
both identify AND dispel magic in the armor,both memorized spells..yet when i
attempt to use magic missle or chromatic orb it will ALWAYS fizzle out. Bug?
John Secker
<shad...@aol.com> writes
quote here it is clear that a Cynic is NOT someone who is only
interested in themselves. A Cynic believes that most humans are mostly
motivated by self-interest; this says nothing about the self-interest of
the Cynic himself.
--
John Secker
ShadoJakk
definition you
>quote here it is clear that a Cynic is NOT someone who is only
>interested in themselves. A Cynic believes that most humans are mostly
>motivated by self-interest; this says nothing about the self-interest of
>the Cynic himself.
>--
>John Secker
>
First..i was mainly trying to make a point about the fact i was more interested
in MY ORIGINAL QUESTION..and any thoughts about it. And the fact NO ONE wishes
to talk about it.
Second..Silly me,i made the assumption that Cynic was human =). That will teach
me!
ShadoJakk
Who thought this thread was dead..sigh..
John Secker
<shad...@aol.com> writes
reasonable to assume that you are interested in the topic.
Second: Note that little word "most", which means that Cynic can be
human AND not self-interested.
--
John Secker
ShadoJakk
that was almost a WEEK old,i might add? Cynic asked me to check the
dictionary,which i had replied that i already did. Then i posted the entry from
which i read from. But this isnt about him. Its about you. You seem to have
some type of problem with me. Fine. Thats your business. I just think your
trolling,attempting to cause arguements for their own sake. Thats also your
own business. Just dont expect me to sink FURTHER to your own level.
And..IMHO,Cynic is both human AND interested in him self first,others second.
Your saying that he CAN be dosnt MEAN,and from his posts,it isnt. I ASKED for
conversation and help on a topic,and the question was never asked..so i
repeated myself three times(btw,i Started this thread.). Instead,Cynic decides
rather than awnser my question,or be of any help,he decides to post a angry and
self interested post in reply to my third request for some help with the
subject. I took his words for what they were,a cheap insult from someone who
was more interested in making me unhappy than contributing anything helpful or
useful. I in turn replied to him back letting him know how i felt. I very
seldom go out in search of arguements,because i frankly wish to have friendly
conversations RATHER than arguements..but unfortantely,people like YOU,John
Secker,seem to enjoy making arguements..then drag them on,in what i can only
guess is making your ego a little bit in your own mind greater. IF that sounds
harsh,my apologies..but have you noticed something? NOT ONE OF YOUR POSTS was
EVEN about the subject? Just a rehash of something that was over and done with
many days ago?
Why not try to contribute something POSITIVE to a subject for once,John,rather
than attack,attack,attack,attack. I would ENJOY having a FRIENDLY,and i mean
that,talk about BG with you at some time. And,even thou i dont always agree
with your views,i have found that our positions on BG have been similar.
I hope you dont take this as an attack,but im sick of defending a request for
some help. I hope you can understand this,and rather than attack(flame,etc) you
can actually show something that dosnt seem common to you.
Compassion.
ShadoJakk
Kosh
ShadoJakk wrote in message <19990228134551...@ng117.aol.com>...
ShadoJakk
dredged it back to life again.
sigh.
ShadoJakk
<<reaching for the tylenol bottle...>>
Kosh wrote:>And now this thread has nothing to do with its subject!!!!!!!!!
>
John Secker
<shad...@aol.com> writes
>Exactly Kosh. Thats the point. This was a dead thread. John Secker went and
>dredged it back to life again.
>
>sigh.
>
>ShadoJakk
involved. You quoted about ten lines of dictionary definition in an
attempt to make a point to Cynic about his name. Presumably you didn't
think the thread was dead at that point? I then replied to point out
that you had contradicted yourself in what you wrote, at which point you
replied at enormous length accusing me of 'reviving a dead thread'.
That's how Usenet works, you make a post and other people respond to it.
Very often the subject drifts away from the original title. Nobody has
the power to declare a thread 'dead', especially when they have just
made a long and detailed posting to it. If you want a thread to die,
don't post to it. Simple. On the other hand, if you want a thread to
die, but you also want to have the last word, then you may have a
problem.
--
John Secker
Hopefully the spammer mutation will prove to be an evolutionary
>>conversation and help on a topic,and the question was never asked..so i
>>repeated myself three times(btw,i Started this thread.). Instead,Cynic
>decides
>>rather than awnser my question,or be of any help,he decides to post a angry
>and
>>self interested post in reply to my third request for some help with the
>>subject. I took his words for what they were,a cheap insult from someone
>who
>>was more interested in making me unhappy than contributing anything helpful
>or
>>useful. I in turn replied to him back letting him know how i felt. I very
>>seldom go out in search of arguements,because i frankly wish to have
>friendly
>>ShadoJakk
Whoa. Hold it right there, Shadowjakk. These comments of yours bear no
relation to anything I posted, whatsoever. I made exactly two brief
comments. The first, an intended humerous observation that since (and
a previous poster said that in the item's description Drizzt's armor
was made by "Bruenor") a dwarf had made the armor, then it obviously
couldn't be an "elven" anything. Period. That's the total content of
my first post. Your description of it as "angry" is nothing short of
ludicrous. Perhaps you were having a bad day when you read it, but
that doesn't give you license to pervert fact into fantasy. That you
interpreted it as "cheap insult" doesn't say anything complimentary
about your powers of observation or perception, I'm afraid.
In fact, you're the one who responded with a PERSONAL INSULT, by
attacking the handle I've chosen to use. I wasn't going to argue about
how you'd misinterpreted it. Since you responded to a harmless joke
with a personal attack, I did in fact confine my response to
suggesting you "invest in a dictionary".
Then you make yet another smartassed post in which you attacked me
personally. Your comments here clearly show that while you can read,
you're not completely able to comprehend what you read. To whit, a
"cynical" observation pertains to those being observed, not the
observer. A "cynic" therefore, would only be so in relation to those
around him. Rather the opposite of your petty insults. I give you a B
for vocabulary, and a F for comprehension.
Now, finally, you still can't get your facts straight. You clearly go
out in search of arguments, or you wouldn't have dragged my name back
into this ridiculous thread after I'd clearly ignored your crude
insults. You responded in an impulsive and childish fashion to a
harmless post, and a week later you're still bringing my name up in a
slanderous fashion. I don't think you're capable of objective
observation or reasoning, but on the chance you are I'll just say you
should go back and read the several posts in question. I think if you
do, you'll find mine to be pretty harmless, and yours to be mean
spirited, vicious little personal attacks (a subjective opinion- sue
me).
I don't know J. Secker, but he just commented on something that a
great many others doubtless saw as well. But even if everyone who saw
it posted, I doubt you'd be willing to admit you made a mistake. You
just don't sound very reasonable judging from what you've posted so
far.
BTW, since your bitterness apparently originated from not finding
anyone to agree with your whining about the armor, here's a few
opinions for you. You weren't supposed to have it in the first place.
However it works is irrelevant. If it allows spellcasting, great. If
not, tough shit. Deal with it, and don't be so foolish as to expect it
to conform to any particular set of rules. There's no sane reason for
the programmers to have worried about it, because for the vast
majority of the 500,000+ people who bought the game it's a non-issue.
Have you not yet picked up on the possibility that perhaps you didn't
get an satisfactory answer to your complaint about the armor because
no one but you cares?
Cynic,
talking to Shadowjakk, who makes the adoption of this particular
handle seem quite justified.
ShadoJakk
whatsoever happens. Then someone,in this case you,make a post to it. That to me
is Dredging a dead thread back to life. Thats what you did,and you can reword
it anyway you like. Frankly. If you wish to reply back to this,fine. It seems
your more worried about having "the last word" than i. Frankly,i rather discuss
BG than get dragged into some sort of "did not,did so" fight on a NG. But i am
sorry that no one ever did bother to help me with my question,despite a couple
of decent posts who actually dealt with my question.
ShadoJakk
PS: Feel free to reply to this if you like John. This dead IS dead,to me.
ShadoJakk
No w. never has been.
Yet you have decided to add one. Second,i did and STILL do find you reply both
ANGRY,and if you were trying to be funny,it was in a cruel and angry way. I
asked for some help,and instead got replies that from you were FAR from
helpful. I still find it a cheap insult,and i find it amusing that you have
selective memory about your posts.
I saw,and still see,your posts as they are,cheap insults. They still are.
Frankly,i am done with this..if you wish to continue this,fine..go ahead. KEEP
talking and saying mean things about me. If that will make you feel better,go
for it. Just dont expect me to read further,for i shall not. I did not know
you. I do not know you now,and i responded to a PERSONAL INSULT WITH A PERSONAL
INSULT. I still say your a self interested fool(my subjective opinion,sue me).
And,unlike you,i am MORE than willing to admit i made a mistake.
I made a mistake in assuming that asking for some help on this NG would
everamount to any real help.
I made a mistake in reply to any of your insults in a attempt to defend myself.
I made a mistake in replying to John Secker in reguards to his attacks on me.
Trust me..i very sorry i ever thought to post on this newsgroup to ask for
help again. I deeply apologize and plan on never doing it again. I dont need
the headaches.
By the way Cynic..your views are your own,but YOU NEVER understood my post
either(you also get a F for comprehension.) I neither was "whining" or
complaining about the armor. I was INQUIRING about why it does what it does? If
THATS wrong,then further discussions just will keep that wrong going on. Im
done with this. You can keep posting your venom about this Cynic,i no longer
care. Nor will i read it any longer. If it makes you feel better to slander ME
as EQUALLY as you say i slandered you,go ahead. Its petty. And Childish. And
exactly what i expect from you now. I ALSO have found NONE of your posts
either: Objective OR Reasonable. I do agree that THIS subject HAS gone on,but
you have since started a new thread,whose sole subject is to flame me.
I would NEVER have done that to you. Ever.
Your the one who is coming off as mean spirited troll,IMHO,and all i did was
merely defend myself. But,it seems neither YOU,nor John Secker,wish to talk to
me. Thats fine. I really have NO wish to talk to you in my lifetime,Cynic. You
do NOT speak for this NG,and neither do i. You do NOT dictate,which is what
most of the last part of your letter is,what is or is not a issue on this NG or
speak for the people who bought the game or read these posts. I asked a
question. People replied,and the subject got off subject. I mentioned this,in a
attempt to see if my original question could get awnsered. Then you
replied,first stating your first post,as you posted,then adding another post
that was both nothing more than a flame,IMHO. THEN i attacked you. I will no
longer reply to YOU,this Flame thread YOU have created,or posts you post
elsewhere. Can you do the same? I doubt it. I see that you will more than
likely look and attack me whenever you see you chance. Thats fine. My mistake?
I lowered myself to YOUR level,and for that,i AM deeply sorry and apologize.
ShadoJakk
Cynic..dont go away mad..just go away.....
O'Doneque
"conversation" for a long time and I hope you all will enjoy this superb
game in the end. Even if there are some misunderstandings between some of
us. Let's get on with our lives and fight the monsters in BG. Some jokes can
be misunderstood...some can be funny...some can be rude...please understand
me...I am not judging anyone but I hope for the both of you that you will be
able to enjoy this game cause it's a very nice game...good luck to ye
both...
(Forgive me if I am typing or spelling wrong but I am dutch...)
O'Doneque from the House of Thorns, Bother of the Zenthiel Keep
"I always had two moms, until I got glasses..."
ShadoJakk heeft geschreven in bericht
<19990301203130...@ng120.aol.com>...
O'Doneque
--
Caramon
OK, its obvious you guys don't like each other much and hopefully the
arguement is over, but please don't lower the tone of this newsgroup it
is the only one I have found that is (almost) exclusively in good spirit
and to genuinely help others. Go kill some ogres.