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The Rat

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Mar 3, 2001, 2:16:39 PM3/3/01
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There I was, bored, having played the game a couple times through with a
good aligned party, reputation 20, party all buffed up with the experience
cap off. Demi-lich..no problem, Twisted rune...no problem..yawn...
Well, I decided to see just who could kill me if i "broke bad", so i
loaded up a save game and sauntered into the government district to see
what, if any , havoc i could raise. It didn't take long for my reputation
to plumet to 1, Despised I was. Jaheria was the last to desert me, after
Minsc, Anomen, Aerie, and even my sister Imoen had fled, disgusted to be a
part of my butchery.
Viconia was more than delighted to team up with me, and together we cut
a swathe through the realm, and with the help of the cloak of mirroring i
had on, even the cowled enforcers and the soldiers that showed up with them
were no match.
By this time i was getting a little worried...i hadn't really thought I
could stoop so low and get away with it, but noooone seemed to be able to
stop me.
Until I walked into the shadow thiefs guild in the docks. I slaughtered
the gaurd at the door for some perhaps slight he gave me. As soon as I
walked in, the shadow thiefs present turned hostile, and another second
later, someone named Arkanis Gath teleported? in, and with one stroke of his
sword, instantly killed me...game over!
Who the hell is this guy? I can't recall ever running into him anywhere
else.


Charles

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Mar 3, 2001, 2:19:43 PM3/3/01
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The Rat a écrit :

He's a great assassin from the shadow thieves.
If you choose to join bodhi instead of gaelan you'll have to kill him on the
docks.
He was not that hard to swallow when i meet him but the reasons were differents.

Anyway he carries a great throwing axe +3

Rutger

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Mar 3, 2001, 2:34:39 PM3/3/01
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Not sure who he is... But, I to have fallen from his blade. He is pretty
nasty. I don't think he teleports in though. I think he is there hiding in
shadows. Someday I will find him and end his worthless life.

Rutger
Assassin Extraordinaire

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Jeremiah

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Mar 3, 2001, 3:37:34 PM3/3/01
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In article <ta2gen2...@corp.supernews.com>,
"The Rat" <spam@nospam> spake thusly:

> someone named Arkanis Gath teleported? in, and with one stroke of his
> sword, instantly killed me...game over!
> Who the hell is this guy? I can't recall ever running into him anywhere
> else.

If you go the evil path, he's a Shadow Thief who you kill with
Mook, and get a good throwing axe from.
If you go the good path, he's God. If you are allied with the
Shadow Thieves, and you turn against them before getting Imoen, then
the game can't continue, since you have no way of getting to Spellhold.
So Arkanis warps in and wipes you out. I don't think he's beatable.
(Prove me wrong, here!) Apparently, this also happens even after the
Shadow Thieves aren't any use to you anymore...


Rutger

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Mar 3, 2001, 4:29:29 PM3/3/01
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I think your right. I've had him to "near death" several times. He never
seems to die though. He appears near and targets your main character,
killing anyone in his path with one hit. I think he is pretty much
unbeatable.

Rutger
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The Rat

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Mar 3, 2001, 5:16:07 PM3/3/01
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I've reloaded the auto-save several times, and it's still warp in, (maybe
from hiding in shadows), one swing, and I die. End of story. Game over.
Not that i didn't deserve to die, but a shadow thief?....oh well, time to
start walking the straight and narrow again!


Htn963

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Mar 3, 2001, 5:40:27 PM3/3/01
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The Rat wrote:

> Despised I was. Jaheria was the last to desert me, after
>Minsc, Anomen, Aerie, and even my sister Imoen had fled, disgusted to be a
>part of my butchery.

Ah, loyal, steadfast Jaheira, Jaheira and maple syrup, mmm, mmm..., oh,
yes, about Arkanis Gath, he's GAME OVER if you turn against the thief guild.


James Teo

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Mar 3, 2001, 7:02:54 PM3/3/01
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On Sat, 03 Mar 2001 21:29:29 GMT, "Rutger" <diver...@home.com>
wrote:

>I think your right. I've had him to "near death" several times. He never
>seems to die though. He appears near and targets your main character,
>killing anyone in his path with one hit. I think he is pretty much
>unbeatable.

I cast a resilient sphere on my main character and then left him
outside while everyone else went into the guild to kill thieves. He
automatically appears next to my main character outside and then kills
him through the sphere. Talk about obvious.....

Speaker-to-Customers

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Mar 4, 2001, 9:11:07 AM3/4/01
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"Charles" <dark...@club-internet.fr> wrote ...
>
(Snip)

> Well as I've already said .. if you fight him when he's with mook you can
beat
> him .
> I did !!!! And he's wearing a throwing axe +3 .
> But maybe the situation that you describe is more like beeing arrested by
the
> sorcerer when your rep. is very low.
> The do use a 'warp' and they seem to be god-like .. but the sorcerers you
meet
> in the gov. district are beatable !!
>
> Uh ... am I clear ?!

If you have done something that stops you being able to complete the game,
someone unbeatable appears and kills you. This happens even if you would
normally be able to kill that character without any problems.

For the Thieves' Guild quest, it is Arkanis Gath they use. However, in that
capacity, he is not the same character. He is just a way of killing you,
and there is no possible outcome to the fight other than you dying and
having to reload.

There is a point later on where a group of potential allies will
automatically kill you if you offend them, although it is evident that the
party would really be able to slaughter them like sheep, because if you do
not ally with them it is impossible to finish the game. This really annoys
me, because they act in an extremely offensive manner and I would really,
really, like to punch their leader in the face.

Unfortunately, if you do that, instant death results. I just have to be
content with thinking of a postscript to the game, in which I take him aside
from the celebrations, grab him by the hair, and slam him face first into a
table 30 or 40 times.

Paul Speaker-to-Customers

Charles

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Mar 4, 2001, 10:31:29 AM3/4/01
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Speaker-to-Customers a écrit :

> If you have done something that stops you being able to complete the game,
> someone unbeatable appears and kills you. This happens even if you would
> normally be able to kill that character without any problems.

Yep!! that's what I wanted to say though my english is quite pitfull
He he !! Xcuse my french !

Gebhard Blucher

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Mar 4, 2001, 2:30:08 PM3/4/01
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Speaker-to-Customers <oct...@mcb.net> wrote in message
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[snips --- SPOILERS]

> There is a point later on where a group of potential allies will
> automatically kill you if you offend them, although it is evident that the
> party would really be able to slaughter them like sheep, because if you do
> not ally with them it is impossible to finish the game. This really
annoys
> me, because they act in an extremely offensive manner and I would really,
> really, like to punch their leader in the face.
>
> Unfortunately, if you do that, instant death results. I just have to be
> content with thinking of a postscript to the game, in which I take him
aside
> from the celebrations, grab him by the hair, and slam him face first into
a
> table 30 or 40 times.

You can kill Elhan once you've opened up the Temple in the elven city. You
have to be quick though, because his script uses an "EscapeArea()" command
if he's attacked by "[GOODCUTOFF]" (i.e. CharName & Party). The "Elven War
Sage" is the one who kills Player1 if you attack the elves in the "Entrance
to the Underdark" map (he actually uses a script command:
"ApplySpell(Player1,WIZARD_IMPRISONMENT)" to Imprison the Protagonist). In
my evil game I attacked him then, but he escaped too soon.

Arkanis Gath wears what I call an Immortality Device. It's an amulet called
MINHP1, and while he's wearing it he can't be killed (not even with cheats).
A few other creatures wear this amulet as well. There is also another
Immortality Device called "Imoen's Belt", and it's worn by Imoen in Ch. 1
and a few other creatures (Haer Dalis' bard girl-friend wears one, for
instance)..

Other Show Stopper Creatures are Harpell Malchor (the abjurationist who
collects Drizzt's goods in Ch. 6) and (I think) an Arkanis-wannabe called
Zyntris who kills the party if you mess up the Maevar/Bloodscalp quest.

Not sure, but I'll bet there's another who will show up if you attack Bohdi
while you are working for her (or maybe Bohdi does the job herself).

GB

Speaker-to-Customers

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Mar 4, 2001, 7:50:32 PM3/4/01
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"Gebhard Blucher" <blu...@usa.net> wrote ...
> Speaker-to-Customers <oct...@mcb.net> wrote ...


> [snips --- SPOILERS]


(Snip)


> You can kill Elhan once you've opened up the Temple in the elven city.
You
> have to be quick though, because his script uses an "EscapeArea()" command
> if he's attacked by "[GOODCUTOFF]" (i.e. CharName & Party). The "Elven
War
> Sage" is the one who kills Player1 if you attack the elves in the
"Entrance

> to the Underdark" map (Snip)

I don't want to kill him, just kick his teeth in, which is not possible in
the game system. Or to tell him that, if he's going to take that attitude
towards a certain member of my party, he can get stuffed and his city can
stay in the hands of Irenicus. Again, can't do that, no such dialogue
option.

What is irritating about the "show-stoppers" is that they are so much less
powerful in their other capacities. Arkanis Gath is not particularly tough
normally, and the Elven War Sages are wimps when they are fighting on the
same side as the party.

Paul Speaker-to-Customers.

Zippy

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Mar 11, 2001, 2:50:23 AM3/11/01
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most of the other "show-stoppers" seem to be there for a reason - but
arkanis gath is just plain annoying. any time i go to the shadow thieves'
guild without a specific reason he kills me. sometimes my characters will
accidentally walk the wrong way and invoke his wrath. he makes me want to
kick some programmers' teeth in, to tell you the truth.

Rutger

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Mar 11, 2001, 12:14:50 PM3/11/01
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Sounds like your doing something to make the thieves aggressive. Since you
need their guild at that point in the game you can't make them aggressive or
the program ends your game.

Rutger
Assassin Extraordinaire.

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Zippy

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Mar 11, 2001, 4:05:49 PM3/11/01
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several people who haven't encountered the bug themselves have said this to
me. the attitude seems to be "i haven't encountered the bug, so you must be
doing something wrong."

no, i've done nothing to make them aggressive. it's a bug.

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