Anyone use Ajantis in BG1?
gingl...@hotmail.com
Khalid vs Minsc and whatnot, but at least from what I read, no one
seems to be using Ajantis as an NPC in BG1. The first time that I
played through BG1, I used the all PC NPC option (multi-player, where
I created all the characters), but after playing BG2, I am enjoying
the NPC interaction and would like to play through BG1 with NPCs.
Minsc is a definite must, for me. "Butt-kicking for Goodness!" So
I'll probably end up with Dynaheir as well, and I'll probably keep
Imoen as well. But as an option to the Khalid/Jaheira combo (which I
may end up with after all), I was considering Ajantis and someone else
(probably one of the other cleric types, as I will be playing a
F/M/T).
So what's everyones' take on the only BG1 Paladin? Are Paladins just
not useful in BG1? I think that one of my PC characters was one and
that it came in handy, but I don't recall the specifics. I think just
being able to cast Protection from Evil helped out a lot.
Thanks in advance, G.
G
> So what's everyones' take on the only BG1 Paladin? Are Paladins just
> not useful in BG1? I think that one of my PC characters was one and
> that it came in handy, but I don't recall the specifics. I think just
> being able to cast Protection from Evil helped out a lot.
>
> Thanks in advance, G.
>
>
I don't know that much about Ajantis as I have yet to meet up with him. I
do know something about Paladin's. There kinda like the fighters seeing how
their a combo between a Fighter and a Cleric. I know it will cast heal
spells and such. But other then that I'm not really sure whats good or bad
about them. I would have to reread my stuff to see.
Garrett
Rune Christensen
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> I have been reading all (or at least most) of the posts concerning
> Khalid vs Minsc and whatnot, but at least from what I read, no one
> seems to be using Ajantis as an NPC in BG1. The first time that I
> played through BG1, I used the all PC NPC option (multi-player,
where
> I created all the characters), but after playing BG2, I am
enjoying
> the NPC interaction and would like to play through BG1 with NPCs.
Ajantis is a favourite of mine. Wielding Spider's Bane and wearing
Ankheg Armour and that spiffy helmet with the feathery side burns,
he's the Green Knight ripping monsters apart. Quite useful, really!
> Minsc is a definite must, for me. "Butt-kicking for Goodness!"
I can't stand him.
> So
> I'll probably end up with Dynaheir as well, and I'll probably keep
> Imoen as well. But as an option to the Khalid/Jaheira combo
(which I
> may end up with after all), I was considering Ajantis and someone
else
> (probably one of the other cleric types, as I will be playing a
> F/M/T).
>
> So what's everyones' take on the only BG1 Paladin? Are Paladins
just
> not useful in BG1? I think that one of my PC characters was one
and
> that it came in handy, but I don't recall the specifics. I think
just
> being able to cast Protection from Evil helped out a lot.
WEll, he's a fighter, and he looks good in green. His paladin
abilities are of little use, really, but he's a solid fighter
nonetheless.
Rune Christensen
Htn963
I had Ajantis in my party the first time I played BG1 and found him
dependable and useful. He's not as deadly as Coran and Kivan because bow
skills rule in BG1, but his Protection From Evil and Lay on Hands (a big cure
wound spell) abilities are indeed useful. I certainly rate him above Minsc
for a frontline tank.
I suspect Ajantis may be overlooked because most people head on down to
Nashkel soon after the FAI, and by the time they get to the area where he is,
the angkeg farm, their party is set. There's no reason you can't head up north
to pick him up along with Khalid and Jaheira right away...provided you avoid
the angkegs...stay on the south edge of the map and siddled over to the left
till you see him standing on the road. Ajantis works well co-tanking with
Khalid.
--
Ht
|Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore
never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
--John Donne, "Devotions Upon Emergent Occasions"|
Catiline
I once had a big argument about how great Ajantis was, actually - I used him
my first time through BG, and he was my main frontline fighter. Since then,
I've used Khalid and Minsc, and I have to admit to prefering them just a
little - Minsc for his strength (which means he's great for Gauntlets of
Dex), and Khalid for his high Dex and Con (which means he's great for
Gauntlets of Ogre Power). Ajantis - IIRC - benefits a *lot* from gauntlets
of Dex - but, naturally, it means he's stuck with strength 17. Which is
fine, naturally - but I'd probably choose either Khal or Minsc in preference
(if this is all it were based on).
What made Ajantis really useful were his paladin abilities. Lay on hands was
very useful as an emergency mid-battle healing measure - it was so fast, it
could actually save someone's life (whereas Cure spells take a while to
cast). Protection from evil was useful too. Detect evil was probably my
favourite ability of his, though: on entering a new map, it warned me about
the type of enemy I was likely to face, as well as showing me the names of
all evil NPCs (or ones with magic res.), which made it easier to explore.
A final bonus point for Ajantis is his high charisma; he always led my
party, and wore the nymph cloak. If you've skimped on Charisma for your PC,
he's very useful.
As dedicated tanks, I prefer Khal and Minsc - but Ajantis is far from bad.
Colin E
So
> >I'll probably end up with Dynaheir as well, and I'll probably
keep
> >Imoen as well. But as an option to the Khalid/Jaheira combo
(which I
> >may end up with after all), I was considering Ajantis and
someone else
> >(probably one of the other cleric types, as I will be playing a
> >F/M/T).
> >So what's everyones' take on the only BG1 Paladin?
> I had Ajantis in my party the first time I played BG1 and
found him
> dependable and useful. He's not as deadly as Coran and Kivan
because bow
> skills rule in BG1, but his Protection From Evil and Lay on
Hands (a big cure
> wound spell) abilities are indeed useful. I certainly rate him
above Minsc
> for a frontline tank.
Now I'd take an opposite view. As a tank there could be no one in
BG1 to compete with Minsc.
I think you may be right about the later meeting getting Ajantis
fewer inclusions but I've found him to be pretty ineffective as a
tank. Though his CON looks OK he has always been unlucky [with
me] on hp rolls at level up and seems to be a magnet for damage.
The spell casting is useful but I never go anywhere without a
priest so it's a bit of an unnecessary duplication.
On the whole I prefer Minsc, Khalid, Jaheira or Branwen up front
to Ajantis. Like them or loathe them they have at least got
personalities :-)
Colin E
Kish
>
> I have been reading all (or at least most) of the posts concerning
> Khalid vs Minsc and whatnot, but at least from what I read, no one
> seems to be using Ajantis as an NPC in BG1. The first time that I
> played through BG1, I used the all PC NPC option (multi-player, where
> I created all the characters), but after playing BG2, I am enjoying
> the NPC interaction and would like to play through BG1 with NPCs.
>
> Minsc is a definite must, for me. "Butt-kicking for Goodness!" So
> I'll probably end up with Dynaheir as well, and I'll probably keep
> Imoen as well. But as an option to the Khalid/Jaheira combo (which I
> may end up with after all), I was considering Ajantis and someone else
> (probably one of the other cleric types, as I will be playing a
> F/M/T).
I'd suggest Yeslick. Not Viconia. Ajantis won't coexist with anyone
evil.
>
> So what's everyones' take on the only BG1 Paladin? Are Paladins just
> not useful in BG1? I think that one of my PC characters was one and
> that it came in handy, but I don't recall the specifics. I think just
> being able to cast Protection from Evil helped out a lot.
He's fine.
Avilan
"Colin E" <co...@c-elliott.fsnet.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
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> Now I'd take an opposite view. As a tank there could be no one in
> BG1 to compete with Minsc.
> I think you may be right about the later meeting getting Ajantis
> fewer inclusions but I've found him to be pretty ineffective as a
> tank. Though his CON looks OK he has always been unlucky [with
> me] on hp rolls at level up and seems to be a magnet for damage.
> The spell casting is useful but I never go anywhere without a
> priest so it's a bit of an unnecessary duplication.
> On the whole I prefer Minsc, Khalid, Jaheira or Branwen up front
> to Ajantis. Like them or loathe them they have at least got
> personalities :-)
>
> Colin E
I disagree, in fact my favourite tank in BG1 is Shar-teel. Minsc dies all
the time (his DEX is so low even the COBOLDS nail him... (well okay, maybe
not ;) )
/A
Luke Goaman-Dodson
> So what's everyones' take on the only BG1 Paladin? Are Paladins just
> not useful in BG1? I think that one of my PC characters was one and
> that it came in handy, but I don't recall the specifics. I think just
> being able to cast Protection from Evil helped out a lot.
I played through BG1 with a paladin. Protection from Evil is very handy, as
is Cure Light wounds (in the earlier stages). Unfortunately it's almost
impossible to stick to your alignment, but God doesn't seem to mind. :-)
> Thanks in advance, G.
--
Luke
gingl...@hotmail.com
addition to Imoen and Ajantis. Khalid and Ajantis tank it up front,
and Jaheira, Imoen and my F/M/T pummel opponents with missle weapons.
I am still thinking of dropping at least Khalid (and probably
Jaheira). Nothing against them as NPCs, but I have gotten a lot of
interaction with J in BG2, and I've never used Yeslik (my likely
choice at this point). And while it may take me a while to gain
sufficient levels to do so, my F/M/T managed to get an 18/00 STR (and
I was even using the "set all your scores to 15's and compare the
lowest score" trick, and had decided to use this roll - all 15's and
one 14 - before I bumped the ST R up!), so my protagonist could be a
tank as well.
And yes, Khalid's voicing is annoying. Ajantis is much more amusing,
IMHO. My favorite so far was something like "What the!... Helm..."
Derville
<gingl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I have been reading all (or at least most) of the posts concerning
> Khalid vs Minsc and whatnot, but at least from what I read, no one
> seems to be using Ajantis as an NPC in BG1. The first time that I
> played through BG1, I used the all PC NPC option (multi-player, where
> I created all the characters), but after playing BG2, I am enjoying
> the NPC interaction and would like to play through BG1 with NPCs.
Ajantis is a particularly solid character, without ever having any truly
exceptional stats. He gets in the 15-17 range for his prime requisites (and
gets 17 Charisma, being a Paladin), which is good but not overwhelming. His
high Charisma is a bonus if you've got nobody else in your group capable of
charming the pants off passing townsfolk. Finally, the Paladin abilities
are also pretty nice, especially due to the way Detect Evil works in BG1 (it
reveals all hostiles on the same *map* area as your group, rather than
working on a limited range centred on the caster). All in all, a pretty
good choice as a replacement if any of your first team should be
perma-killed.
> Minsc is a definite must, for me. "Butt-kicking for Goodness!" So
> I'll probably end up with Dynaheir as well, and I'll probably keep
> Imoen as well. But as an option to the Khalid/Jaheira combo (which I
> may end up with after all), I was considering Ajantis and someone else
> (probably one of the other cleric types, as I will be playing a
> F/M/T).
Branwen. She's the pick of the pure Clerics in BG1 for my money, and will
complement Ajantis nicely. Viconia's evilness will upset any
self-respecting Paladin (although with a charismatic leader problems need
not follow on from this), and after that you've got to wait for Yeslick to
find another capable priest character. Ajantis and Branwen would make for a
strong pairing, and would offer lots of healing (when you add in the Lay On
Hands ability). Kivan also works well with Branwen as a double act, with
him providing ranged support to summoned Skeletons and the like.
> So what's everyones' take on the only BG1 Paladin? Are Paladins just
> not useful in BG1? I think that one of my PC characters was one and
> that it came in handy, but I don't recall the specifics. I think just
> being able to cast Protection from Evil helped out a lot.
Paladins in general are pretty nice in BG1. Their biggest drawback is their
relatively slow level progression, but with TOTSC this isn't as much of a
problem. The limit of 2 stars in any weapon proficiency can also be a bit
off-putting, but not to any great extent. Paladins are basically strong
all-round characters, providing they keep on their deities' good side. So
don't forget to sacrifice some bad guys on your sword now and again, and you
should end up with a pretty reliable character with few obvious weaknesses.
--
Phil
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Michael Bourke
useful. My typical group was
PC - thief
Khalid
Jaheira
Ajantis
Branwen (i think that was her name, the priest)
Imoen (split classed into a mage at 2nd level)
and that worked really well. I tried using Minsc and am enjoying him being
in my BG2 party now but in BG1 I had a problem with him attacking me as I
was entering the Gnoll fortress basically saying I wasn't moving fast
enough, so I gave up. Also, having Minsc meant getting the mage too and I
already had one. I like to have two priests and adding them would have meant
dropping one of them. This combo seemed to work well though
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gingl...@hotmail.com
<mbo...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>Yeah, use Ajantis. I always used him when I played BG1 and found him very
>useful. My typical group was
>
>PC - thief
>Khalid
>Jaheira
>Ajantis
>Branwen (i think that was her name, the priest)
>Imoen (split classed into a mage at 2nd level)
>
>and that worked really well. I tried using Minsc and am enjoying him being
>in my BG2 party now but in BG1 I had a problem with him attacking me as I
>was entering the Gnoll fortress basically saying I wasn't moving fast
>enough, so I gave up. Also, having Minsc meant getting the mage too and I
>already had one. I like to have two priests and adding them would have meant
>dropping one of them. This combo seemed to work well though
>
That does seem like a pretty good party. It is definitely nice to
have two healers (plus Ajantis w/ Lay on Hands and the PC's special
abilities), and I like to have both a cleric and a druid for spell
variety (esp. in BG2). My current party is:
PC F/M/T
Minc
Dynaheir
Ajantis
Branwen
Imoen
Murphy TP
He seems to be working well so far.
The Lay on Hands was usefull when I reformed the party. Detect Evil is good for
finding nearby but out of site foes. Protection from evil is of some use.
Also he does not complain like Khalid.
Tom Murphy
Luke Goaman-Dodson
> and that worked really well. I tried using Minsc and am enjoying him being
> in my BG2 party now but in BG1 I had a problem with him attacking me as I
> was entering the Gnoll fortress basically saying I wasn't moving fast
> enough, so I gave up. Also, having Minsc meant getting the mage too and I
> already had one. I like to have two priests and adding them would have meant
> dropping one of them. This combo seemed to work well though
That happens if you take too long - I did it just after I met him.
Also there's an easy way of getting rid of Dynaheir if you send her into a
house you won't visit in future and kick her out, that way she doesn't call
Minsc back.
--
Luke