Should I dual Imoen at level 5 or 6?
Nick Yeast
question is when... My situation:
I'm at the beginning of chapter 4 - joined the bandit group, and
killed the bosses in the tent (although I haven't cleaned out the
nearby woods or the rest of the camp). My characters, including my
PC, are all 4th level except for Imoen.
Early, on, I put some of Imoen's points into things like stealth
(didn't know any better, then), and she's weak in pickpocketing, and I
could use a bit better score in traps. I would like to wait until she
is 6th level to dual her, but wonder if that's practical - how long
would it take to make 7th level mage, and will most of the adventure
be over by then??
I would appreciate any views. Thanks!
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Jim
until you surpass your thief level (not experience points). A
thief reaches 5th level at 10,000 XP and 6th at 20,000. A Wizard
reaches 6th level at 40,000 XP and 7th at 60,000. (Game Manual, p
139)
So you can do either and stay under the BG XP cap of 89,000
(total XP of 50,000 for 5/6 or 80,000 for 6/7). However, if you
wait until 6th level thief, I would say you're going to be most
of the way through the game before you see her thieving abilities
again.
Personally, I dualed Imoen at 5th level and then picked up Coran
(I'm Coran, thief and archer!) to take on the thieving/archery
responsibilities. I'm now in Durlag's Tower (I have ToSC) having
just cleaned out the bandits in the Cloakwood, and Imoen just got
her thieving abilities back. However, I like having two thieves
to look for traps, so I'll probably keep both.
One final note: when you get your thieving abilities back, you
lose one weapon slot for some reason (I never played thieves in
my PnP days, so this was a surprise to me). So you can only keep
one ready weapon. In my case, I chose the light crossbow of
speed and let Imoen stay in the back and hurl bolts and spells.
Just my two cents...
Jim
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Nick Yeast
back until too late in the game to be effective... Since I posted my
question, Imoen has progressed to within 1500 XP of level 6. Now I'm
trying to figure out what to do with her - I like her character, and
don't want to get rid of her (how the heck do you get attached to an
NPC avatar anyways!!? Sheesh.)
I suppose I could simply keep developing her as a thief, but it seems
a waste to squander the opportunity to create the dual character. I
could dual her now, at 5th level. But if I did, would I have
essentially wasted all the experience points that almost got me up to
6th? Also, what happens if she makes enough points to level up, but I
then dual her to a mage without leveling up? Would I immediately be
able to raise her to 2nd level? (I guess the XP needed to get to 2nd
are so few it doesn't really matter, but I'm curious...
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TheScorp
Nick Yeast <nos...@bigfoot.com> schreef in artikel
<ms80hs0vir1rr15u2...@4ax.com>...
> Yeah, I was kinda afraid that she wouldn't get the thief abilities
> back until too late in the game to be effective... Since I posted my
> question, Imoen has progressed to within 1500 XP of level 6. Now I'm
> trying to figure out what to do with her - I like her character, and
> don't want to get rid of her (how the heck do you get attached to an
> NPC avatar anyways!!? Sheesh.)
>
> I suppose I could simply keep developing her as a thief, but it seems
> a waste to squander the opportunity to create the dual character. I
> could dual her now, at 5th level. But if I did, would I have
> essentially wasted all the experience points that almost got me up to
> 6th? Also, what happens if she makes enough points to level up, but I
> then dual her to a mage without leveling up? Would I immediately be
> able to raise her to 2nd level? (I guess the XP needed to get to 2nd
> are so few it doesn't really matter, but I'm curious...
>
IIRC, you lose all the XP points that you've accumulated in the first
class and start with 0 XP in the second class. I don't know how BG
deals with the exp cap, but I assume that the XP points that you
gained in the first class above the highest level (i.e. the XP points
that you lost) will not count.
I dual classed Imoen at level 6 and on the character page it says:
Thief
Level 6
20000 XP Points
Inactive
(or something like that).
HTH,
TheScorp
Syzygy
difference. Even if you are ready to gain a level when you dual her you lose
any 'extra' XP which will still keep her at the level she's at.
Personally your not the only one who's had 2nd thoughts about dualing Imoen,
I decided to keep her as a Thief and am not regretting it.
--
"I don't cheat to survive, I cheat to LIVE!!"
- Alceryes
Nick Yeast <nos...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> Yeah, I was kinda afraid that she wouldn't get the thief abilities
> back until too late in the game to be effective... Since I posted my
> question, Imoen has progressed to within 1500 XP of level 6. Now I'm
> trying to figure out what to do with her - I like her character, and
> don't want to get rid of her (how the heck do you get attached to an
> NPC avatar anyways!!? Sheesh.)
>
> I suppose I could simply keep developing her as a thief, but it seems
> a waste to squander the opportunity to create the dual character. I
> could dual her now, at 5th level. But if I did, would I have
> essentially wasted all the experience points that almost got me up to
> 6th? Also, what happens if she makes enough points to level up, but I
> then dual her to a mage without leveling up? Would I immediately be
> able to raise her to 2nd level? (I guess the XP needed to get to 2nd
> are so few it doesn't really matter, but I'm curious...
>
>
Evilb
you will be able to import characters into BG2.
Imagine a 13/14 Fighter Mage !
On Wed, 3 May 2000 11:28:01 -0400, "Syzygy" <alce...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
Rich C. Velay
>
> Yeah, I was kinda afraid that she wouldn't get the thief abilities
> back until too late in the game to be effective... Since I posted my
> question, Imoen has progressed to within 1500 XP of level 6. Now I'm
> trying to figure out what to do with her - I like her character, and
> don't want to get rid of her (how the heck do you get attached to an
> NPC avatar anyways!!? Sheesh.)
>
> I suppose I could simply keep developing her as a thief, but it seems
> a waste to squander the opportunity to create the dual character. I
> could dual her now, at 5th level. But if I did, would I have
> essentially wasted all the experience points that almost got me up to
> 6th? Also, what happens if she makes enough points to level up, but I
> then dual her to a mage without leveling up? Would I immediately be
> able to raise her to 2nd level? (I guess the XP needed to get to 2nd
> are so few it doesn't really matter, but I'm curious...
>
carry over, even if you had an untaken level up available in the
first class.
I would STILL dual her, myself, I would get those extra 150 XP
out of the way though. She would have her thief skills back by
level 7 mage, which is not great, but it isn't horrible either.
Coran can look after things while she is learning the dark
arts.... :)
Rich
Loketar
"Evilb" <nos...@here.please> wrote in message
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> Also, dualling at that level seems awfully low to me, especially as
> you will be able to import characters into BG2.
> Imagine a 13/14 Fighter Mage !
>
> On Wed, 3 May 2000 11:28:01 -0400, "Syzygy" <alce...@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Haven't tested it, but the little 'level up' button shouldn't make a
> >difference. Even if you are ready to gain a level when you dual her you
lose
> >any 'extra' XP which will still keep her at the level she's at.
> >
> >Personally your not the only one who's had 2nd thoughts about dualing
Imoen,
> >I decided to keep her as a Thief and am not regretting it.
> >
> >--
> >"I don't cheat to survive, I cheat to LIVE!!"
> > - Alceryes
> >
> >Nick Yeast <nos...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> >news:ms80hs0vir1rr15u2...@4ax.com...
> >> Yeah, I was kinda afraid that she wouldn't get the thief abilities
> >> back until too late in the game to be effective... Since I posted my
> >> question, Imoen has progressed to within 1500 XP of level 6. Now I'm
> >> trying to figure out what to do with her - I like her character, and
> >> don't want to get rid of her (how the heck do you get attached to an
> >> NPC avatar anyways!!? Sheesh.)
> >>
> >> I suppose I could simply keep developing her as a thief, but it seems
> >> a waste to squander the opportunity to create the dual character. I
> >> could dual her now, at 5th level. But if I did, would I have
> >> essentially wasted all the experience points that almost got me up to
> >> 6th? Also, what happens if she makes enough points to level up, but I
> >> then dual her to a mage without leveling up? Would I immediately be
> >> able to raise her to 2nd level? (I guess the XP needed to get to 2nd
> >> are so few it doesn't really matter, but I'm curious...
> >>
> >>
Nick Yeast
wrote:
> RCV: When you dual, you start over at zero XP - there is no
>carry over, even if you had an untaken level up available in the
>first class.
> I would STILL dual her, myself, I would get those extra 150 XP
>out of the way though. She would have her thief skills back by
>level 7 mage, which is not great, but it isn't horrible either.
>Coran can look after things while she is learning the dark
>arts.... :)
> Rich
I truly like the idea of dualing Imoen, but I very likely won't this
time through. (Unfortunately, this may be my only time through - just
_not_ enough time for games!). If I had already played the game
before and knew what I know now, I would have made different choices
with Imoen's thief points early on. Cool as it would be to have a
thief/mage, the way things are now I would be giving up all of the
thieving abilities until the end of the game, when Imoen became
somewhat more powerful than a mage I already have.
Coran could fill in as Thief, and Dynaheir can cover Mage until Imoen
gets strong, but that then begs the question: "What am I keeping Imoen
for"? At this point with this group, I would be more tempted to drop
off Imoen and use two 'specialists' who are powerful _now_ rather than
wait until much nearer the end of the game when I can get both
skillsets in one package. (Like I said, though, if I were to do it
over again, I would do things differently early on...)
The thing is, I don't want to dump Imoen. I'm having fun letting my
'kid sister' tag along on the adventure. And she's just now starting
to rock! (She made 6th level last night). With the shadow armor and
dagger of venom, she makes a great stealthy forward observer at night
for my ranged weapons, and can draw blood by herself up close. (Yeah,
she sometimes gets a little banged up after a backstab, but you should
see the other guys! <G>)
Loketar
game. You just have to clear out all the optional areas before advancing the
plot. I just triggered chapter 4 last night and saved. Off to Cloakwood.
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Nick Yeast
wrote:
>I have her dualed at 5/6 and I did that by chapter 3, hardly the end of the
>game. You just have to clear out all the optional areas before advancing the
>plot. I just triggered chapter 4 last night and saved. Off to Cloakwood.
Hmmm... I'll have to consider that, then. In my party, she just made
6th, and I'm at the beginning of chapter 4. I have left some other
areas untouched, however...
Did you clean out the old mage school?? Some skeletal guy wielding a
flail took me apart in short order while I was simply sniffing about
the perimeter of the ruins. This was a while ago; I resolved to wait
a while before I went back. :-(
Loketar
you attacked him first. Talk to him a few times and he'll give you a quest
in the underground region there. Fairly easy, good points.
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Anders Johansson
>
> The ghost looking fella at Ulcaster? He shouldn't have attacked you, unless
> you attacked him first. Talk to him a few times and he'll give you a quest
> in the underground region there. Fairly easy, good points.
>
You must be talking about Icharyd, the undead warrior in the southern
parts of the ruins (above ground). He doesn´t have a lot of HPs, but can
only be hit by magical weapons. A couple of +1 arrows usually is enough
to win the fight.
Anders J
Evilb
On Wed, 03 May 2000 20:56:07 GMT, "Loketar" <lok...@satx.rr.com>
wrote:
>You don't get to import NPC's in ToSTC, so that's irrelevant.
>
>"Evilb" <nos...@here.please> wrote in message
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>> Also, dualling at that level seems awfully low to me, especially as
>> you will be able to import characters into BG2.
>> Imagine a 13/14 Fighter Mage !
>>
>> On Wed, 3 May 2000 11:28:01 -0400, "Syzygy" <alce...@mindspring.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Haven't tested it, but the little 'level up' button shouldn't make a
>> >difference. Even if you are ready to gain a level when you dual her you
>lose
>> >any 'extra' XP which will still keep her at the level she's at.
>> >
>> >Personally your not the only one who's had 2nd thoughts about dualing
>Imoen,
>> >I decided to keep her as a Thief and am not regretting it.
>> >
>> >--
>> >"I don't cheat to survive, I cheat to LIVE!!"
>> > - Alceryes
>> >
>> >Nick Yeast <nos...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
Nick Yeast
<and...@ssk.lu.se> wrote:
>
>You must be talking about Icharyd, the undead warrior in the southern
>parts of the ruins (above ground). He doesn´t have a lot of HPs, but can
>only be hit by magical weapons. A couple of +1 arrows usually is enough
>to win the fight.
>
>Anders J
That's the guy. I was probably overly concerned with him to stay away
so long. I had only one magic weapon at the time, and he did huge
amounts of damage every time he hit (or so it seemed at the time, with
a 2nd level party <G> ).
My party is now 5th level or so; it will probably be anti-climatic at
this point, but I'll have to stoll on back and make him eat hot death.
Bwaaah ha ha ha ha!. >ahem<
michael vallely
It would be a very bad idea to dual class Emoen at this level.
The problem is that when you dual class you lose all the skills that you
have until you get to a higher level than your previous career before you
get your skills back. This would make Emoen a rather rubbish mage without
her skills.
It is only worth doing when you are a lower level so maybe you should have
done it at level 3.
Colin E
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Once you have a level 5 team, you're starting to tackle quests
that earn xps fairly quickly. A dualled mage gets to be level 3
or 4 before you know it though the next few levels take some
time.
IMO never, immediately, level5 and level 6 are the options for
dualling Imoen. If I'm leaving it late [5or 6] the choice is
more dependant on where we are and who we're with. On balance, 5
is good but 6 is better - but then I do tend to get all the
experience I can before the Cloakwoods and Imoen always makes
level 7 mage before the bottom of the mine :-)
--
Colin E.
Rich C. Velay
>
> >
>
> It would be a very bad idea to dual class Emoen at this level.
> The problem is that when you dual class you lose all the skills that you
> have until you get to a higher level than your previous career before you
> get your skills back. This would make Emoen a rather rubbish mage without
> her skills.
> It is only worth doing when you are a lower level so maybe you should have
> done it at level 3.
RCV: Oh I disagree completely! Imoen is never a "rubbish" mage
- she has a great Int and a very very good dex. She makes a
great mage even if she NEVER gets her thieving skills back. In
fact, she makes the BEST "good" mage in the game due to those
stats, and the fact that you can choose her specialty. That's
something you can't do with any of the NPC mages.
Dualing Imoen at 5th level is the best, IMO, although 4th and
6th are reasonable alternatives. One of the more important
decisions is where you put her thief points - basically you want
her to fill in for Coran, so that means everything into find
traps. Except for that skill, she should spend her time as a
short bow wielding Illusionist with boots of stealth!
Awesome!! :)
Rich
Loketar
getting her up to level 6 mage prior to entering BG city. If you explore all
the optional areas before moving out of chapter 3, she'll be ready in no
time. Plus, I had a Ftr/Thf main character that took care of the thieving
duties in the interim.
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