Why Mazzy is better than Minsc ("Inside the numbers, 2nd Edition")
djarvinen
better than Minsc in oh-so-many-ways!
Here are the basic stats for each contestant:
Mazzy Fentan, Fighter, Halfling Female, LG, 110hp, AC 1, Str/15 Dex/18
Con/16, Int/10 Wis/13 Cha/14, Short Sword+, Short Bow+++++
Minsc, Ranger, Human Male, NG, 69hp, AC 8, Str/18:93 Dex/16 Con16
Int/8 Wis/6 Cha/9, 2-Handed Sword++, Mace++, Long Bow++, 2-Weapon
Style++
With the exception of Strength, Mazzy has it all over Minsc: Dex - 18
to 16, while in Intelligence, Wisdom and Charisma, Minsc only comes in
second because there are no other contestants!
Mazzy needs only the Girdle of Strength (or some other item) to
compensate for her one relatively weak attribute; Minsc needs to carry
a plethora of items to raise his attributes to Mazzy's level.
Mazzy = Fighter, Minsc = Ranger which means Mazzy can get five pips in
Weapon Proficiencies while poor Minsc has settle for two. Granted, he
starts with more pips, but many are somewhat 'self-excluding':
2-Handed Sword with 2-weapon Style, oops! Or Mace++ with no Single
Weapon Style or Sword & Shield Style.
Hit Points: Mazzy 110 to Minsc's puny 69. Talk about muscle to weight
ratio!
Sex: Mazzy - female, Minsc - male. Need I say more?
Voices: Just try to convince me (or anyone!) that Mazzy's voice and
expressions are more irritating than Minsc!
Loss of Weapon slots: Does Boo actually serve a purpose? No. Has
anyone actually witnessed him 'going for the eyes'? No; Boo's fame
as a fighter exists merely in the feeble brain of Minsc. Yet he
insists on carrying about his pet (yes, folks, Boo is merely a pet) to
the detriment of the party.
Loyalty: Mazzy, no question about it. Have you noticed that Minsc
actually threatens to kill you in the first dungeon before you release
him? Shouldn't that make him at least Chaotic Good (or CN), rather
than Lawful Good? The first time I heard Minsc threaten me, I could
hardly believe it. I thought perhaps he had been 'doppelganged' or
dire-charmed or maybe the bump on his head just got worse. I just
don't think he handled the death of Dynaheir very well, do you?
So there you have it, ladies and gentlemen of the jury. The cold hard
facts! Can any of you see fit raise the stature of the addled Minsc
above the solid and faithful Mazzy? I think not... Case closed.
PS
Exercise for the reader: What is Minsc's racial enemy?
Westley Weimer
> Sacrilege though it may be, I am going to show the world why Mazzy is
> better than Minsc in oh-so-many-ways!
You're so right! She rocks.
> With the exception of Strength, Mazzy has it all over Minsc: Dex - 18
> to 16, while in Intelligence, Wisdom and Charisma, Minsc only comes in
> second because there are no other contestants!
Boo should be worth something.
> Mazzy needs only the Girdle of Strength (or some other item) to
Actually, her internal Strength ability (to 18/75 or something) isn't that
bad. A number of fine scripts (e.g., GB-FIGHT) will use it automatically at
the right times. But your right: STR is the easiest stat in the game to
increase.
> Mazzy = Fighter, Minsc = Ranger which means Mazzy can get five pips in
> Weapon Proficiencies while poor Minsc has settle for two. Granted, he
Right.
> Hit Points: Mazzy 110 to Minsc's puny 69. Talk about muscle to weight
> ratio!
Yep.
> Loss of Weapon slots: Does Boo actually serve a purpose? No. Has
Yes! Style! Jan agrees with me.
> anyone actually witnessed him 'going for the eyes'? No; Boo's fame
> as a fighter exists merely in the feeble brain of Minsc. Yet he
> insists on carrying about his pet (yes, folks, Boo is merely a pet) to
CLUAConsole:CreateCreature("boo")
> So there you have it, ladies and gentlemen of the jury. The cold hard
> facts! Can any of you see fit raise the stature of the addled Minsc
> above the solid and faithful Mazzy? I think not... Case closed.
Actually, you missed one of the most important facts. Mazzy gets +4 to save
versus death, wands and Spells. Note Spells! Korgan gets +5 (one of the
reasons that he rocks as well).
Saving throw bonuses are non-trivial. Really.
Mazzy's utility increases if you have the grandmastery patch. They both
have good weapons in the early game: Tuigan vs. Lilarcor. However, in the
late game Minsc may actually have better choices: Vorpal trumps Gesen.
Still, I'd rather have the "valiant servant of justice and righteousness."
> Exercise for the reader: What is Minsc's racial enemy?
Vampire! Both Valygar and Minsc have decent racial enemies.
- Wes
Jlt8382
not just have both?
xEnO
**snip**
> Loyalty: Mazzy, no question about it. Have you noticed that Minsc
> actually threatens to kill you in the first dungeon before you release
> him? Shouldn't that make him at least Chaotic Good (or CN), rather
> than Lawful Good? The first time I heard Minsc threaten me, I could
> hardly believe it. I thought perhaps he had been 'doppelganged' or
> dire-charmed or maybe the bump on his head just got worse. I just
> don't think he handled the death of Dynaheir very well, do you?
>
**snip**
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kromm
<wei...@argus.EECS.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
>> Exercise for the reader: What is Minsc's racial enemy?
>
>Vampire! Both Valygar and Minsc have decent racial enemies.
>
In bg1, wasn't Minsc's racial enemy gnolls? Interesting switch, if
not a little fromage.
kromm
Funseeker
here comes his friend of countless battles, probably already having released
J, and all but declines to help him!
why, minsc wouldn't be minsc if he accepted that, now would he?
the Always-Minsc-Rescuing(through just that communication, not always
intending the result ;P) Funseeker
djarvinen
That was a typo; I meant to write Neutral Good (as I had listed in the
stats part of the post). But you are saying Chaotic Good which as far
as I know could be true; I haven't checked lately. I also need to
check his alignment in BG1 to see if it carried over to BG2.
Anyway, my point was that he should be Chaotic something; definitely
not Lawful, definitely not Evil (except for the bit about him
threatening to kill the main character). That would narrow it down to
NG, CG, TN, or CN. Not that 'what he should be' matters; but now I
wonder what he really 'is.'
djarvinen
> Hmm..I dunno. Minsc + mace of disruption has bailed me out many a time. Why
> not just have both?
Umm... tired of Minsc's ramblings? Or afraid Minsc is going to go
postal? Or don't want to have that many NPCs tagging along?
I generally give the Mace of Disruption to Viconia; but until you give
her the Girdle of Hill Giant Strength, she isn't even strong enough to
wear decent armor. I'm actually suprised at how often I use her as
my tank. Of course, if Mazzy is along, there is always a little
dispute about who gets to wear the Girdle. Unfortunately, another
Strength girdle isn't available until quite a bit later in the game.
But Viconia usually wins out (tank, ya' know) while Mazzy can hang out
in the back lines.
djarvinen
news after djarvinen wrote:
>> Mazzy needs only the Girdle of Strength (or some other item) to
>
> Actually, her internal Strength ability (to 18/75 or something) isn't that
> bad. A number of fine scripts (e.g., GB-FIGHT) will use it automatically at
> the right times. But your right: STR is the easiest stat in the game to
> increase.
Huh? Wassup with 'internal' Strength? How does that work? How did
you find out about that? When is it used? And what other 'internal'
attributes are at work in other NPCs?
WHY DOESN'T BLACK ISLE TELL ME THESE THINGS? Oh, sorry, didn't mean to
yell...
Kish
>
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:20:26 +0000 (UTC), Westley Weimer
> <wei...@argus.EECS.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
>
> >> Exercise for the reader: What is Minsc's racial enemy?
> >
> >Vampire! Both Valygar and Minsc have decent racial enemies.
> >
> In bg1, wasn't Minsc's racial enemy gnolls?
Yes.
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> jlt...@aol.compoo (Jlt8382) wrote in message news:<20010924143032...@mb-fx.aol.com>...
> > Hmm..I dunno. Minsc + mace of disruption has bailed me out many a time. Why
> > not just have both?
>
> Umm... tired of Minsc's ramblings?
If you don't like him, of course you shouldn't keep him. But that's not
a convincing argument for why Mazzy is "better." Lots of people like
Minsc's lines.
Mark Blunden
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He means Mazzy's Paladin-like innate abilities, which include Strength and
Haste (both on her only) and Remove Fear (on all in range, which has proved
useful more than once), plus 1 or 2 others I forget.
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>That was a typo; I meant to write Neutral Good (as I had listed in the
>stats part of the post). But you are saying Chaotic Good which as far
>as I know could be true; I haven't checked lately. I also need to
>check his alignment in BG1 to see if it carried over to BG2.
No it didn't. He was NG in BG1.
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some way! I could not use them as weapons or as "ready use" objects...
JUST TELL ME HOW, PLEASE!
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Talen
(djarvinen) wrote:
>
>Minsc, Ranger, Human Male, NG, 69hp, AC 8, Str/18:93 Dex/16 Con16
>Int/8 Wis/6 Cha/9, 2-Handed Sword++, Mace++, Long Bow++, 2-Weapon
>Style++
Ah, isn't Minsc Chaotic Good?
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<Vik> Smeargle's the best!
ElfBard
Kepp them in your backpack. When you get to the vamp's coffin (if the vamp's
in there that is) "attack" the coffin and you'll use the stake to destroy
the vamp within.
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To clarify things:
IF a vampire is asleep in a coffin and
IF you have a stake in your backpack
you will get the "Sword" icon when holding the pointer over the coffin. Just
click and watch the thing dieeeeeeee-
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Ogma
> better than Minsc in oh-so-many-ways
Minsc has been with me from Early BG1 I'm not leaving him behind, besides
his comments are a big part of what makes BG great!
/Ogma
djarvinen
Not to nitpick... OK, already, I am nitpicking! but the (second)
question was "why not just have both" and there are a veritable
plethora (thank you, Howard Cosell) of reasons not to have both.
The first question (well, premise really) was why Mazzy is "better."
Well, of course, she is not really "better"; better is in the eye of
the beholder. I was just presenting a somewhat tongue-in-cheek
analysis comparing Minsc to Mazzy. Minsc is so popular that I thought
it would be fun to poke a few sticks in his eye. In some sense, the
subject was sort of a camouflaged troll in the guise of a Miniature
Giant Space Hamster.
I'm not really a Minsc-Boo hater (except when I put on my Lawful Evil
hat).
But it does bother me that he threatened me with mortal bodily damage
before I could get him out of his cage in the first dungeon. Hard to
justify the 'G' in 'NG' when he pulls that kind of stuff. Of course,
if he was 'Cg' (big C in Chaotic, little g in good), you might then
just barely be able to rationalize his actions.
I mean, really. Would you want to go through all of BG2 looking behind
your back because you are afraid Minsc would go postal? Good reason
to keep him in the front lines, if you ask me...
Kish
> I'm not really a Minsc-Boo hater (except when I put on my Lawful Evil
> hat).
>
> But it does bother me that he threatened me with mortal bodily damage
> before I could get him out of his cage in the first dungeon.
That's the best reason to keep him around, at least if you're playing
good. The blow to the head left Minsc with the mind of a small
child...a small child with berserker rage and enough strength to bend
iron bars. He needs someone to take care of him and prevent him from
accidentally doing something very evil, and he no longer has
Dynaheir--if she was your (the general you) friend in BG1, you could
consider you owe it to her.
Remember that Dynaheir expresses concern about Minsc's mental state when
you first rescue her.
Mark Blunden
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> But it does bother me that he threatened me with mortal bodily damage
> before I could get him out of his cage in the first dungeon. Hard to
> justify the 'G' in 'NG' when he pulls that kind of stuff. Of course,
> if he was 'Cg' (big C in Chaotic, little g in good), you might then
> just barely be able to rationalize his actions.
Bear in mind that, aside from being a berserker warrior by nature, he's just
had his second-closest friend (who he was sworn to protect) murdered in
front of him, and been locked in a cage and possibly tortured. Under those
circumstances, I don't think his actions *should* be rational.
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Jonathan Ellis
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>On 24 Sep 2001 10:22:59 -0700, jarv...@proaxis.com (djarvinen) wrote:
>
>
>>PS
>>Exercise for the reader: What is Minsc's racial enemy?
>
Gnolls, in BG1.
(One supposes that, having rescued Dynaheir from the gnolls, and now
being powerful enough that he can beat an entire horde of gnolls into
pulp on his own without taking so much as a single hp of damage, and
without even resorting to his berserker rage, he no longer has quite so
much reason to hate them above other things. Are vampires connected in
any way with Dynaheir's actual death between the events of BG1 and BG2?)
Jonathan.
Gebhard Blucher
> That's the best reason to keep him around, at least if you're
playing
> good. The blow to the head left Minsc with the mind of a small
> child...a small child with berserker rage and enough strength to
bend
> iron bars. He needs someone to take care of him and prevent him
from
> accidentally doing something very evil, and he no longer has
> Dynaheir--if she was your (the general you) friend in BG1, you could
> consider you owe it to her.
>
> Remember that Dynaheir expresses concern about Minsc's mental state
when
> you first rescue her.
>
In my first game of BG1, Minsc pissed me off. My party was CharName,
Imoen, Khalid and Jaheira (Xzar and Monty died when K & J attacked
them on the third level of the mines). Jaheira was 'chunked' fighting
the half-orc priest in the mines, and everyone else was wounded badly.
We couldn't rest in the mines (or at least I didn't want to risk it)
and I think we were ambushed on the way back to Nashkell. The bounty
hunter killed Imoen and almost killed Khalid. I raised Imoen in the
temple and decided to rest up in the Inn (had no gold left for healing
spells, and I wasn't aware that my character had gained a cure light
wounds special ability). I decided to pick up Minsc because the party
was short handed and rest for a few weeks to heal. Well, Minsc went
bonkers because we didn't leave straight away to rescue Dynaheir (hey
pal, can't you see we're all at death's door?) and killed Imoen again.
My character and Khalid made short work of him after that and I didn't
feel bad at all. It was only much later (in later games) that I
'forgave' Minsc his offense. ;-)
You do have to feel a bit sorry, though, for someone suffering from a
'h-h-head injury'...
GB
Gebhard Blucher
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> (One supposes that, having rescued Dynaheir from the gnolls, and now
> being powerful enough that he can beat an entire horde of gnolls
into
> pulp on his own without taking so much as a single hp of damage, and
> without even resorting to his berserker rage, he no longer has quite
so
> much reason to hate them above other things. Are vampires connected
in
> any way with Dynaheir's actual death between the events of BG1 and
BG2?)
>
I supposed it is reasonable to assume that Bodhi and her vampires had
a hand in capturing Minsc (and killing Dynaheir) before the start of
BG1, and maybe even in the capture of CharName, Imoen, Khalid and
Jaheira too. Probably happened at night when the party was resting at
an inn in Baldur's Gate (vampires to capture the party and 'converted'
Shadow Thieves to transport them to Amn) or something. More details
of what happened before the start of BG2 would've been nice... why
not, since it was already decided that CharName's travelling
companions were Imoen, K & J, and Minsc & Dyna.
GB
b
Minsc is when you first meet him? This would affect the
HP comparison if nothing else.
Bruce
Talen
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It's altogether possible that Bodhi, not Irenicus, slaughtered
Dyanheir, and while Minsc can remember that a Vampire did it, the
particular details have slipped his mind?
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<gilmae> i'm going to fucking do it now, i'm gonna fucking
crack him just to prove you wrong
djarvinen
Well, yeh...
But then, I wasn't trying to be fair. ;)
Derville
OK, I might as well bite ;-).
> With the exception of Strength, Mazzy has it all over Minsc: Dex - 18
> to 16, while in Intelligence, Wisdom and Charisma, Minsc only comes in
> second because there are no other contestants!
But does Minsc need those stats? I suggest not - unless you're fighting a
room full of mind flayers, then your Int won't really matter that much;
similarly with Wisdom, if you get too paranoid, then equip the Shield of
Harmony and forget about being Dominated etc. Potions can boost these
mental stats when they need to be higher, and since most encounters where
this is an issue (mind flayers etc) are both well signposted and fairly
short lasting, a supply of half a dozen bottles should be enough to see you
through the worst of things. And of course, with his natural Strength,
Minsc can carry far more potion bottles than Mazzy can ;-).
> Mazzy = Fighter, Minsc = Ranger which means Mazzy can get five pips in
> Weapon Proficiencies while poor Minsc has settle for two. Granted, he
> starts with more pips, but many are somewhat 'self-excluding':
> 2-Handed Sword with 2-weapon Style, oops! Or Mace++ with no Single
> Weapon Style or Sword & Shield Style.
No fair. Minsc's two pips in dual wield are 'free', because he's a Ranger.
So, they shouldn't really be counted in a pure pip-by-pip analysis, but
rather should be treated as a darn fine bonus to his character. Also, I
still believe that any more than 3 pips in a weapon proficiency under BG2's
nerfed system is pure overkill, which is why I worry about both Mazzy and
Korgan - the return on your investment for putting five pips into a weapon
just isn't high enough for me to feel comfortable with that move.
Also, you suggest that Rangers aren't as 'good' as Fighters - well, how
about letting Minsc stealth up and sneak in to get the first attack in on an
enemy, often then forcing them to drop their bow and melee with him? Or
getting access to his own mini spell repertoire, which grows as he increases
in level, and can duplicate a fair few of Mazzy's innate skills (I'm
treading carefully here, because Mazzy's Remove Fear is a top notch ability
to have around)? I'd say these are all subsidiary factors in favour of
Rangers as an alternate mode of attack, when compared to plain old meathead
Fighters.
> Hit Points: Mazzy 110 to Minsc's puny 69. Talk about muscle to weight
> ratio!
Are Minsc's hitpoints really that low? Blimey, I never realised that.
Still, Minsc does get 'free' hitpoints when he Berserks, which is a small
bonus, although I must admit that this stat surprises me quite a lot.
> Sex: Mazzy - female, Minsc - male. Need I say more?
Uhhh, whaddya mean by that, duh-huh? Minsc isn't a great actor, but he's
better than Mazzy, who looks nothing like Tonto ;-).
> Voices: Just try to convince me (or anyone!) that Mazzy's voice and
> expressions are more irritating than Minsc!
Self righteous vs pure loon, eh? I admit that Minsc can get annoying, but I
find that turning down the option for voice-overs on character selection
makes life a lot more bearable (for all BG2 NPC's). At least neither of
them worry about how they are helping the less fortunate by trailing through
a dungeon ;-).
> Loss of Weapon slots: Does Boo actually serve a purpose? No. Has
> anyone actually witnessed him 'going for the eyes'? No; Boo's fame
> as a fighter exists merely in the feeble brain of Minsc. Yet he
> insists on carrying about his pet (yes, folks, Boo is merely a pet) to
> the detriment of the party.
But can Mazzy's quick items go "squeak!"? I think not. OK, so losing a
quick item slot can be a pain, especially when you've got a bucketful of
potions and a few summoning artifacts, but is it really that bad? Minsc
probably needs one slot for healing type potions, and one slot for auxiliary
aid, depending on the battle (potions of genius for mind flayers, etc).
> Loyalty: Mazzy, no question about it. Have you noticed that Minsc
> actually threatens to kill you in the first dungeon before you release
> him? Shouldn't that make him at least Chaotic Good (or CN), rather
> than Lawful Good? The first time I heard Minsc threaten me, I could
> hardly believe it. I thought perhaps he had been 'doppelganged' or
> dire-charmed or maybe the bump on his head just got worse. I just
> don't think he handled the death of Dynaheir very well, do you?
But that's the whole point. It's classic reverse psychology to a four year
old kid that gets employed in the opening dungeon. We know that Minsc is
stronger than any other NPC, and can berserk to become even more fierce (OK,
so I'm drawing on my BG1 knowledge here as well; perhaps he could have been
presented as a berserker more blatantly at the start of BG2). We can't
break open the door, and IIRC the coversation choices tend to gravitate
towards either leaving him in his cell, or threatening to leave him in his
cell, both of which have broadly the same effect. And hey, seeing as he is
trapped in a solid steel cage, I think the point of this is to show that you
can insult his abilities a bit, safe on the other side of the bars. The
fact he escapes is an interesting shock, but one that works pretty well in
establishing Minsc's childlike nature.
--
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Luke Goaman-Dodson
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> his racial enemy is vampires and sorry to tell you you just
disproved
> your whole case by bringing up the fact that minsc is male and mazzy
> is female. just what we need another whiney woman on the campaign
isnt
> jaheira enough? leave the women in the brothels where they belong.
I agree entirely.
> thank you , thank you very much , glad you liked the show. next
sexist
> remark coming soon lol.
Oh... what? You were being ironic? Oh shit! Now everyone thinks I'm a
sexist!
Ah, fooled you! *I* was being ironic *too*! See Minsc, I'm much
cleverer than your hamstARRRRRRRRGHH STOP HITTING ME WITH THAT
SWORDARGHARGHARGH
mike
<SNIP>
>
>But it does bother me that he threatened me with mortal bodily damage
>before I could get him out of his cage in the first dungeon. Hard to
>justify the 'G' in 'NG' when he pulls that kind of stuff. Of course,
>if he was 'Cg' (big C in Chaotic, little g in good), you might then
>just barely be able to rationalize his actions.
>
>I mean, really. Would you want to go through all of BG2 looking behind
>your back because you are afraid Minsc would go postal? Good reason
>to keep him in the front lines, if you ask me...
That's one way. Me, I tanked him as far as I could and tossed him in
the tailgunner charlie position. Anybody runs into him is in for a
BIIIIIG surprise. I am not worried about him going wacko with that
two handed sword of his or the bow, at least not on the party.
Of course I am now running through the Planar Sphere with:
Valinor 11the lvl Monk
Jahera fighter/druid
Airhead (the flightless bird) cleric/Mage
Yoshimo (reject from the Conan movie) bounty Hunter (thief)
Valygar (cool) stalker ranger Kit
Minsc (and his pet rat Boo)
Mike
Gordon and Taryn Lewis
to appear over the coffin...
djarvinen
bunch of counterpoints in message news:
but first djarvinen wrote:
> > Sacrilege though it may be, I am going to show the world why Mazzy is
> > better than Minsc in oh-so-many-ways!
>
> OK, I might as well bite ;-).
((this would be the point where everything was snipped))
Hey! No fair using rational arguments! As my high school physics
teacher used to say, "Don't bother me with the facts. My mind is made
up."
Derville
Now you see why I dropped physics. The thought of these guys coming close
to NASA and spaceships just scares the bejesus out of me ;-). But hey, I'm
feeling good; we learned income tax today. Next week we learn capital gains
tax. Isn't law easy?
--
Phil, who must state that the answer to the above question is an emphatic
"no". However, logic is not always a legal prerequisite, which does make
life a bit more bearable.
(remove "your.inhibitions" to reply)
Bob Macfie
Derville wrote:
>
> > Hey! No fair using rational arguments! As my high school physics
> > teacher used to say, "Don't bother me with the facts. My mind is
> > made up."
> Now you see why I dropped physics. The thought of these guys coming
> close to NASA and spaceships just scares the bejesus out of me ;-).
> But hey, I'm feeling good; we learned income tax today. Next week
> we learn capital gains tax. Isn't law easy?
Well, maybe, but I don't think I've ever heard of lawyers
lighting their cigarettes with the add of a nuclear bomb or
placing bets on whether their little project would result in
the ignition of the atmosphere...
Bob Macfie
Toni Saari
I think the main use for Boo is that its mental level matches Minsc's ?
djarvinen
> "djarvinen" <jarv...@proaxis.com> wrote in message
> news:4c6b7a6a.01092...@posting.google.com...
> > "Derville" <ph...@your.inhibitions.gledson.fsnet.co.uk> had a whole
> > bunch of counterpoints in message news:
> >
> > but first djarvinen wrote:
> > > > Sacrilege though it may be, I am going to show the world why Mazzy is
> > > > better than Minsc in oh-so-many-ways!
> > >
> > > OK, I might as well bite ;-).
> >
> > ((this would be the point where everything was snipped))
> >
> >
> > Hey! No fair using rational arguments! As my high school physics
> > teacher used to say, "Don't bother me with the facts. My mind is made
> > up."
>
> Now you see why I dropped physics. The thought of these guys coming close
> to NASA and spaceships just scares the bejesus out of me ;-). But hey, I'm
> feeling good; we learned income tax today. Next week we learn capital gains
> tax. Isn't law easy?
Yeh, I wish had taken law or business admin or finance or something
that would have made me rich. :(
But I guess I'd rather have a physicist design a space ship than a
lawyer! Omigod, the image is frightening: "You know, just because the
Law of Physics says we must have equal and opposite reactions doesn't
necessarily make it true. We could always interpret it as 'somewhat
opposite.' And this speed of light issue. Really... we could get our
scientists to prove that it is only about twice the speed of sound.
And probably just as noisy."
Derville
"djarvinen" <jarv...@proaxis.com> wrote in message
news:4c6b7a6a.01092...@posting.google.com...
> "Derville" <ph...@your.inhibitions.gledson.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:<9p2al2$g3m$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>...
> > >
> > > teacher used to say, "Don't bother me with the facts. My mind is made
> > > up."
> >
> > Now you see why I dropped physics. The thought of these guys coming
close
> > to NASA and spaceships just scares the bejesus out of me ;-). But hey,
I'm
> > feeling good; we learned income tax today. Next week we learn capital
gains
> > tax. Isn't law easy?
>
> Yeh, I wish had taken law or business admin or finance or something
> that would have made me rich. :(
Football? Failing that, how about acting? As many a Hollywood star has
proved, that is one industry where lack of talent is not necessarily a bar
to success. There is, however, a scientifically proven link between one's
success as an actor and the size of one's ... *snip*
> But I guess I'd rather have a physicist design a space ship than a
> lawyer! Omigod, the image is frightening: "You know, just because the
> Law of Physics says we must have equal and opposite reactions doesn't
> necessarily make it true. We could always interpret it as 'somewhat
> opposite.' And this speed of light issue. Really... we could get our
> scientists to prove that it is only about twice the speed of sound.
> And probably just as noisy."
Hey! That's how I prepare all my cases! Besides, I keep getting into
trouble with my comments - the last one I got picked up on was after the
other side had given a lengthy, but pretty irrelevant, attempted rebuttal of
my carefully constructed argument. I stood up and came out with "Well my
Lord, after hearing my learned friends argument, I feel bound to say that we
are now further forward, although at least we are now much more well
informed" ;-)
djarvinen
> "djarvinen" <jarv...@proaxis.com> wrote in message
> news:4c6b7a6a.01092...@posting.google.com...
> > "Derville" <ph...@your.inhibitions.gledson.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<9p2al2$g3m$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>...
> > > >
> > > > Hey! No fair using rational arguments! As my high school physics
> > > > teacher used to say, "Don't bother me with the facts. My mind is made
> > > > up."
> > >
> > > Now you see why I dropped physics. The thought of these guys coming
> close
> > > to NASA and spaceships just scares the bejesus out of me ;-). But hey,
> I'm
> > > feeling good; we learned income tax today. Next week we learn capital
> gains
> > > tax. Isn't law easy?
> >
> > Yeh, I wish had taken law or business admin or finance or something
> > that would have made me rich. :(
>
> Football? Failing that, how about acting? As many a Hollywood star has
> proved, that is one industry where lack of talent is not necessarily a bar
> to success. There is, however, a scientifically proven link between one's
> success as an actor and the size of one's ... *snip*
That wouldn't be a Bobbit reference, would it?
> > But I guess I'd rather have a physicist design a space ship than a
> > lawyer! Omigod, the image is frightening: "You know, just because the
> > Law of Physics says we must have equal and opposite reactions doesn't
> > necessarily make it true. We could always interpret it as 'somewhat
> > opposite.' And this speed of light issue. Really... we could get our
> > scientists to prove that it is only about twice the speed of sound.
> > And probably just as noisy."
>
> Hey! That's how I prepare all my cases! Besides, I keep getting into
> trouble with my comments - the last one I got picked up on was after the
> other side had given a lengthy, but pretty irrelevant, attempted rebuttal of
> my carefully constructed argument. I stood up and came out with "Well my
> Lord, after hearing my learned friends argument, I feel bound to say that we
> are now further forward, although at least we are now much more well
> informed" ;-)
When I worked for HP, we had a saying "Good, Fast, Cheap. Pick any
two." Since then, I have found a slight alteration of this: "Good
Software Lawyer. Pick any two."
And you sound like a barrister, not a laywer! ;)
Cap'n Twill
> "Derville" <ph...@your.inhibitions.gledson.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:<9pab4h$vr8$2...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>...
> > "djarvinen" <jarv...@proaxis.com> wrote in message
> > news:4c6b7a6a.01092...@posting.google.com...
> > > "Derville" <ph...@your.inhibitions.gledson.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:<9p2al2$g3m$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>...
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey! No fair using rational arguments! As my high school physics
> > > > > teacher used to say, "Don't bother me with the facts. My mind is made
> > > > > up."
> > > >
> > > > Now you see why I dropped physics. The thought of these guys coming
> > close
> > > > to NASA and spaceships just scares the bejesus out of me ;-). But hey,
> > I'm
> > > > feeling good; we learned income tax today. Next week we learn capital
> > gains
> > > > tax. Isn't law easy?
> > >
> > > Yeh, I wish had taken law or business admin or finance or something
> > > that would have made me rich. :(
> >
> > Football? Failing that, how about acting? As many a Hollywood star has
> > proved, that is one industry where lack of talent is not necessarily a bar
> > to success. There is, however, a scientifically proven link between one's
> > success as an actor and the size of one's ... *snip*
>
> That wouldn't be a Bobbit reference, would it?
Or maybe he's a Mohel.
Cap'n Twill
"I'm here to remind you of the cross-eyed bear that you gave to me."
Derville
> "Derville" <ph...@your.inhibitions.gledson.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:<9pab4h$vr8$2...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>...
> > >
> > > that would have made me rich. :(
> >
> > Football? Failing that, how about acting? As many a Hollywood star has
> > proved, that is one industry where lack of talent is not necessarily a
bar
> > to success. There is, however, a scientifically proven link between
one's
> > success as an actor and the size of one's ... *snip*
>
> That wouldn't be a Bobbit reference, would it?
Nope, just a Philism ;-).
> > Hey! That's how I prepare all my cases! Besides, I keep getting into
> > trouble with my comments - the last one I got picked up on was after the
> > other side had given a lengthy, but pretty irrelevant, attempted
rebuttal of
> > my carefully constructed argument. I stood up and came out with "Well
my
> > Lord, after hearing my learned friends argument, I feel bound to say
that we
> > are now further forward, although at least we are now much more well
> > informed" ;-)
>
> When I worked for HP, we had a saying "Good, Fast, Cheap. Pick any
> two." Since then, I have found a slight alteration of this: "Good
> Software Lawyer. Pick any two."
>
> And you sound like a barrister, not a laywer! ;)
Well, I was pondering being a basta... erm, barrister, but I'm now set to be
a solicitor, and, erm, solicit for a living. Oddly enough, one could almost
apply the mantra "Good, Fast, Cheap" to one who solicits, regardless of the
way in which you interpret the verb in question ;-).