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Lars Andersen

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Mar 20, 2003, 1:07:32 AM3/20/03
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Hi there,

I have played through BGII 3 times with different classes. I see that many
of you people use the Weidu-mods to get new challenges. I would like to play
through both BGII & ToB again and I would like some advice of which mods to
install.

I don't want to change the story of the game or to make it extremely hard. I
just want a couple (2 or 3) new NPCs. Preferringly some with romances. Could
anyone point out the best mods that fulfill my wishes???

I have planned to install Baldurdash Remix and then 2 or 3 NPC-mods. Am I
right that I have to install the BGII, ToB & official patch first. Then the
NPC-mods and finally Baldurdash???

At last I'm sorry if this have been brought up before but I couldn't fint
anything like it going back the posts.


Lars


Jason Compton

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Mar 20, 2003, 2:26:48 AM3/20/03
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Lars Andersen <mel...@get2net.dk> wrote:

: I have planned to install Baldurdash Remix and then 2 or 3 NPC-mods. Am I


: right that I have to install the BGII, ToB & official patch first. Then the
: NPC-mods and finally Baldurdash???

If you do Remix, you can install it at any time. If you go with classic
Baldurdash (which you can now get from www.baldurdash.org) you should put
it in immediately after the TOB official patch, BEFORE any mods.

: At last I'm sorry if this have been brought up before but I couldn't fint


: anything like it going back the posts.

You mean you somehow missed my 37,000 plugs for Kelsey, the male human
sorcerer (with romance) available from www.forgottenwars.net/kelsey ?

Or the almost equally numerous plugs for Solaufein (with romance)
http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~weimer/bgate/

Or the fairly copious plugs for Tashia, the female elven sorcerer (with
romance) available from tashia.fwstudios.net ?

We must be doing something wrong. :)

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Jason Compton jcom...@xnet.com

Lars Andersen

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Mar 20, 2003, 6:02:41 AM3/20/03
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> If you do Remix, you can install it at any time. If you go with classic
> Baldurdash (which you can now get from www.baldurdash.org) you should put
> it in immediately after the TOB official patch, BEFORE any mods.

Thanks, but which one is best?

> You mean you somehow missed my 37,000 plugs for Kelsey, the male human
> sorcerer (with romance) available from www.forgottenwars.net/kelsey ?
>
> Or the almost equally numerous plugs for Solaufein (with romance)
> http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~weimer/bgate/
>
> Or the fairly copious plugs for Tashia, the female elven sorcerer (with
> romance) available from tashia.fwstudios.net ?
>
> We must be doing something wrong. :)


he-he....maybe I deserved that one. Because of recent breakdown I can only
see posts dated back to 13-03-03...that's why I asked.

....and by the way, thanks!

Lars


Jason Compton

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Mar 20, 2003, 12:55:40 PM3/20/03
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Lars Andersen <mel...@get2net.dk> wrote:
: > If you do Remix, you can install it at any time. If you go with classic

:> Baldurdash (which you can now get from www.baldurdash.org) you should put
:> it in immediately after the TOB official patch, BEFORE any mods.

: Thanks, but which one is best?

There may still be a few glitches in Remix, so if you have the luxury of
starting from the beginning, and now that the Baldurdash classic site is
actually up and stable, may as well go with that.

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Lars Andersen

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Mar 21, 2003, 12:02:05 PM3/21/03
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You mean you somehow missed my 37,000 plugs for Kelsey, the male human
> sorcerer (with romance) available from www.forgottenwars.net/kelsey ?

> Or the fairly copious plugs for Tashia, the female elven sorcerer (with


> romance) available from tashia.fwstudios.net ?

who is more fun of these two? I can't decide who to go for...they both seem
quite entertaining.

Lars


Kish

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Mar 21, 2003, 12:56:44 PM3/21/03
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Kelsey fits into the game perfectly and seems, in almost all ways, like
an original Bioware NPC.

Tashia is a hypocritical Mary Sue, and those are her good qualities.

Most of the time, if you espouse anything but her own particular view of
goodness (which includes things like paying off muggers instead of
threatening to call the guards on them), she'll just lecture you, but
there's one conversation where doing so can cause her to become True
Neutral.

You'd better laugh at all her jokes. You'd also better not say anything
she finds offensive, even jokingly phrased.

She's amazingly insightful. So much so that she can predict Cernd's
epilogue, and she's the only love interest who can see through the
Master Wraith.

However, her sense of loyalty is nonexistent. She'll desert you if
someone from her past whistles. It's never the wrong time for a joke.

In the plus (ahem) column, she does come with enough magical jewelry to
choke a horse. Did you know two Rings of Acuity can be worn together?
She also comes with lots of Cloaks of Protection +2 and a lovely matched
set of Malakars, good for confusing Kuroisan.

She's never Happy--no matter how high your Reputation goes, her only
reaction will be to be slightly less likely to ditch you at any moment.
Her lack of happiness may have something to do with her apparent vow
of chastity; certain of the ToB dialogues hint that you may be sleeping
together at that point, but that is as close as she comes.

She has a select-confirm soundset and a theme song. That is all you'll
hear from her; none of her lines are voiced beyond the select/confirm lines.

Hmm, did I forget anything?

Jason Compton

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Mar 21, 2003, 1:34:06 PM3/21/03
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Lars Andersen <mel...@get2net.dk> wrote:

: who is more fun of these two? I can't decide who to go for...they both seem
: quite entertaining.

The Kish is wise, listen to the Kish. :)

Seriously. Some people do find Tashia "funny" but I've always found her
pretty insulting. She does have some unique bits, like her "funny
stringheads" (little floating text lines that show up, often to insult you
or another member of the party). Outside of the romance she doesn't have a
lot of content.

As Kish said, Kelsey is more in line with the Bioware NPCs in that he has
the romance for a female PC, plus a lot of banter with the other party
NPCs (more than the Bioware NPCs have with each other, actually), lots of
interjections, etc. So even if you don't feel like playing a female PC,
there's Stuff To Do. He has a TOB romance with Imoen which 9 out of 10
non-Imoen-obsessed players agree is "very cute."

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J.C. Bengtson

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Mar 22, 2003, 8:56:42 AM3/22/03
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Jason Compton wrote:
> As Kish said, Kelsey is more in line with the Bioware NPCs in that he has
> the romance for a female PC, plus a lot of banter with the other party
> NPCs (more than the Bioware NPCs have with each other, actually), lots of
> interjections, etc. So even if you don't feel like playing a female PC,
> there's Stuff To Do. He has a TOB romance with Imoen which 9 out of 10
> non-Imoen-obsessed players agree is "very cute."

Not to mention FAR more appropriate then a PC based one with her...
aieeeee!

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Stephen Mackey

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Mar 22, 2003, 2:24:17 PM3/22/03
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J.C. Bengtson said:

>Not to mention FAR more appropriate then a PC based one with her...
>aieeeee!

Bosh. Mythology is all but overflowing with tales of the romantic affection
half-siblings by gods hold for each other. It's practically traditional.


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Stephen Mackey
"Nothing is so easy as to deceive one's self; for what we wish, we readily
believe." -Demosthenes

Henry Lockwood

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Mar 22, 2003, 4:40:46 PM3/22/03
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> >Not to mention FAR more appropriate then a PC based one with her...
> >aieeeee!
>
> Bosh. Mythology is all but overflowing with tales of the romantic
affection
> half-siblings by gods hold for each other. It's practically traditional.

Yeah, and look at the Greek gods for instance. They didn't have _any_
taboos.


Katherine F.

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Mar 24, 2003, 4:21:45 PM3/24/03
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Doesn't Viconia bring up the possibility in (un-modded) TOB?
ISTR finding it while looking through dialogue with IE... and Imoen's
slightly grossed-out response, to which Viconia says "Your common
parent is a god. That doesn't count!"

--
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armored chimpanzee cavalry charging a space ship then I can’t see the
point of having them." -- Andrew Rilstone

Kish

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Mar 24, 2003, 4:35:05 PM3/24/03
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Katherine F. wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 21:40:46 -0000, "Henry Lockwood"
> <hn...@cam.NOSPAM.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>Not to mention FAR more appropriate then a PC based one with her...
>>>>aieeeee!
>>>
>>>Bosh. Mythology is all but overflowing with tales of the romantic
>>
>>affection
>>
>>>half-siblings by gods hold for each other. It's practically traditional.
>>
>>Yeah, and look at the Greek gods for instance. They didn't have _any_
>>taboos.
>
>
> Doesn't Viconia bring up the possibility in (un-modded) TOB?
> ISTR finding it while looking through dialogue with IE... and Imoen's
> slightly grossed-out response, to which Viconia says "Your common
> parent is a god. That doesn't count!"

A NE Drow isn't exactly a reliable source of moral instruction.

Particularly in who or what it's okay to have sex with.

Katherine F.

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Mar 25, 2003, 2:01:20 PM3/25/03
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Well, quite. It's Imoen's reaction that's instructive here, in
that it's canonical evidence *against* the plausibility of an
Imoen/protagonist romance.

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