I threw together this Mage/Cleric spell checklist sheet in Excel that
I'm using personally...and figured I would offer it up, just in case
someone else might have an interest.
Thanks.
- Chris (Mage Bane)
--J
Replies to: jNpolak(at)Ojuno(dot)Tcom
Considering I was just attempting to help people that might want such
a thing, I don't see what the problem is. Also, this is neither a
moderated group nor is there a .....baldurs-gate.binaries group
floating around out there -- so it is perfectly legit for me to post
this here.
# On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 04:10:34 GMT, m...@tady.org wrote:
#
# >Please do not post binaries here. Thanks
# >
# >--J
# >Replies to: jNpolak(at)Ojuno(dot)Tcom
#
# Considering I was just attempting to help people that might want such
# a thing, I don't see what the problem is. Also, this is neither a
# moderated group nor is there a .....baldurs-gate.binaries group
# floating around out there -- so it is perfectly legit for me to post
# this here.
#
No. There are are several binares group you could post it to and then
send a message to this group telling where to pick it up. Or, better yet,
put it on a site and link to it from here.
--
- john.andersson @ spray.se
NO it isn't !! Unless it says binaries it is a text group, so bugger off
:-)
--
Edward Cowling 'Games - Addict'
the guy is just being friendly, I can understand his problem about the
switching of screens and its a good thing that he made a sheet about it, he
doesn't deserves a bugger off.
Greets, MVanker
It's interesting to me that nobody has a problem with the same
question(s) being posted over and over again -- causing tons of
needless threads to get started....not to mention the equally
overbearing number of posts that have absolutely nothing to do with
the groups at all (ie: Icewind Dale/Neverwinter Night/Etc. don't equal
Baldur's Gate), and yet when I post something that I *thought* would
be helpful to other people -- totaling a massive *two* threads (one
for explanation one for content) all I hear is moaning about it.
I'll gladly 'bugger off' at this point, as it would appear the masses
are more interested in imposing imaginary rules than actually
expanding the help offered in the group.
> It's interesting to me that nobody has a problem with the same
> question(s) being posted over and over again
I'm going to have a heart attack if I see someone ask why nalia can't cast
her mage spells any more ;(
> (ie: Icewind Dale/Neverwinter Night/Etc. don't equal
> Baldur's Gate)
uh...no? iwd/nwn stuff is completely on topic here. for one, nwn doesn't
have it's own group yet, does it? if it does, then my cranky uni server
hasen't picked it up yet anyway. secondly, c'mon...lets have a show of
hands - how many people 'ere actually subscribe to agiwd? *seriously*
now...I know I don't, mainly because this group has better propogation &
more posters, so is much more likely to yeild more useful info on the avatar
of tempus^W^W^Wthe iwd squrrel than agiwd will ever do...
> I'll gladly 'bugger off' at this point, as it would appear the masses
> are more interested in imposing imaginary rules than actually
> expanding the help offered in the group.
I didn't get the attachment on my reading server (my reading server filters
binaries) - but I checked my posting server n'it appears it was just 44k,
yeah? well...that's not too bad. s'not like you posted the entire
uncompressed contents of your bg2 screenshots directory, and 44k is hardly
going to be a problem to download, it won't cause usenet to suddenly stop
existing. I'm willing to bet that 44k of spell info will be of more use to
some people than the information found in other threads. even though
binaries don't belong here. maybe there should be an
alt.binaries.games.infinity-engine group?
-Ping
http://www.creatureslife.net
icq: 6283750
http://skizzers.org/ping/
email: Ping AT subdimension DOT com
[PING! The magic duck!]
My, how rude... I, for one, appreciate the effort Muggles put into the
sheet, and don't mind it being posted a bit. It's entirely relevant to the
topic, and it's not like it's the 4 CDs of BG in 7,185,654 parts.
<SARCASM>
...and putting an emoticon after an unnecessarily obnoxious statement
doesn't excuse it, you dumb #$%@#. :-)
</SARCASM>
-Mike
Good, go post Binaries in Binary conferences.
And this isn't a made up rule as your ISP should inform you. Sadly today
they spend more time on advertising gimmicks than Internet literacy &
etiquette.
--
><SARCASM>
>...and putting an emoticon after an unnecessarily obnoxious statement
>doesn't excuse it, you dumb #$%@#. :-)
></SARCASM>
>
Make sure the nurse give you all your medication tomorrow !!
Since we're quoting newsgroup etiquette, don't forget the:
Be polite: Avoid responding in anger to other users, and always be
polite, even if you disagree with another user's ideas or opinions.
Seems you must have missed that one when you began composing your
very useful initial response on this thread.
>In article <8teskf$ii2$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, Mike Harper
>>My, how rude... I, for one, appreciate the effort Muggles put into the
>>sheet, and don't mind it being posted a bit. It's entirely relevant to the
>>topic, and it's not like it's the 4 CDs of BG in 7,185,654 parts.
>>
>Did you ever read any of the Final Fantasy conferences ? Everyone
>thought a 50k gif of their screen was ok, and a 100k avi file wouldn't
>hurt. In the end it became a 2 meg download per day, and all of it crap.
>
>Edward Cowling 'Games - Addict'
That's an interesting and valid comment. I guess I must not have
thought of that, as the newsgroup program I use allows me to simply
retrieve the headers to the messages and get the content of them only
on demand.....they must not make programs like that for the Apple IIe
that you're running on.
Not to be a prick, but no it isn't. Almost every ISP in existence has
rules against posting binaries in non-binary groups, and for a number of
good reasons. One of which, is that a lot of people (myself included) who
might have liked to see whatever it was that you posted, are unable to,
because our server kills binary posts. Personally, I think a spell
checklist would be a cool thing to have, but posting a binary to a
newsgroup that isn't supposed to carry binaries is the wrong way to do it.
LineNoise
People who have to pay per second for their phonecalls will usually download
messages from discussion groups all in one go and then read them offline -
it's a standard feature on almost all newsreaders. That works absolutely
fine *unless* people start posting binaries to discussion groups. That is
why binaries are not allowed on discussion groups.
If you want to send a binary that some readers of a group may be interested
in, the accepted methods of doing so are either to post it to a binaries
group, e.g. alt.binaries.games and then post a message here saying where to
find it (include the subject line to allow for easy searching), or if you've
got webspace - and who hasn't these days? - put it up there and post a URL.
I have no intention of insulting you and calling you names - as you've
already pointed out, this is as much against nettiquette as posting the
binary in the first place - but nevertheless, a discussion group is not the
place for binaries, even small ones.
--
Mark.
mar...@bigfoot.com
* Right now, I need aphorisms like I need holes in my heads
Well now, *that's* the best explanation I've heard. A lot better
than the 'Don't post binaries here' comments that started the whole
thing. I'll be honest -- until the posting of this message, I wasn't
aware that there was a moratorium on posting binaries into groups not
explicitly listed as *.binaries.* -- it seemed to me since there
wasn't a specific group for locating the file that it would make sense
to put it in the only one that related to the topic.
I could have done without the insults and such for simply posting
something I had hoped to be useful to other people -- but I haven't
been in an area that charged per minute for local calls in the past
10-15 years, so I didn't realize that it was still happening (with the
possible exception of extreme rural areas) ... thank you for the heads
up.
It's pretty standard practice in a lot of countries. Sweden being one
(hopefully that's on its way to be replaced by citywide permanent hookups
soon, faster, cheaper, and not connected to the phonebill...).
I personally have to download messages due to getting skyhigh phonebills
otherwise. Suddenly havingt to wait an entire hour just because fifteen
people decided to post their 150k binaries on the newsgroup is not exactly a
prospect I'd enjoy, and would probably cause me to just drop the entire
newsgroup.
When connections and speeds improve to the point where internet gurus claim
they should be, I don't think this will be an issue, though. 'Course, by
then I'll be 290 and only using it to download the latest pictures of some
disembodied boobs being kept alive through cryogenics... : )
Hmmm, now that I think about it, that image probably won't be very
appetizing even when I'm old and senile... : )
Peace!
--
Lisa Gerrard is my goddess.
No it isn't because it's not appreciated here. By all means post the
link to the file, but (as the Usage Guidelines tell you) don't post
binaries here directly. Alt.binaries.games is as good a place as any
to put any binary files the next time you try. Oh, and for the
record, my news server doesn't pick up binary posts on this group
anyway, and this may well be the case for other people as well. HAND.
--
P.
(Remove 'your.inhibitions' to reply)
Read the alt.games.baldurs-gate Usage Guidelines:
www.demonspawn.net/bg/usage.htm
And Finland ( Curse the Jippii Group! )
--
Juuso "Praise to the RNG!" Heimonen
You teach best what you most need to learn.
*****
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ICQ 34867436
>>People who have to pay per second for their phonecalls will usually download
>>messages from discussion groups all in one go and then read them offline -
>>it's a standard feature on almost all newsreaders. That works absolutely
>>fine *unless* people start posting binaries to discussion groups. That is
>>why binaries are not allowed on discussion groups.
> Well now, *that's* the best explanation I've heard. A lot better
>than the 'Don't post binaries here' comments that started the whole
Everyone seems to have skipped around the *main* reasons not to post
binaries to non-bianries NGs. There's more to it than individuals'
issues such as "it costs *me* a few more cents to D/L binaries that
they might(not) want".
Here's a summary of all the - good - reasons I've managed to find
about this issue.
I think 3&5 are the most significant considerations.
1) It is against netiquette, which is there to help us *all* have an
easier time.
2) Some news retrieval S/W retrieves *all* bodies of all messages.
So some people have to D/L your binary whether they wanted to or not.
And they might not have the luxury of being able to use different
S/W.
2a) And as some people have mentioned, a lot of Internet dial-in users
are paying per second for their calls. Plus there are other people -
such as myself - who are in a corporate situation and have a bandwidth
cap each month.
3) Some news servers are remarkably intolerant of binaries being
posted, and if there is a proliferation of binaries being posted they
might discontinue the newsgroup on their server.
*That* would piss people off, and quite justifiably so. And it would
be *your* fault (as the poster of the binary that "broke the camel's
back").
4) Other news servers dump all binaries on non-binary newsgroups, so
you might not get the binary to the person intended anyhow.
5) Still other news servers have only a limited space allocated to
individual newsgroups (and less on non binary NGs), so if someone
posts a whole lot of binary data, then a whole lot of
proper posts might disappear (FIFO). Sometimes I don't catch up with
my NGs for a few days, and it would be mildly annoying to miss a whole
bunch of stuff just because someone
has posted a binary.
What I'm inclined to do when I *need* to post a binary (or request
someone to post a binary for *me*), is to find a binary newsgroup that
both (or all) parties have access to, and post it
there. Problem solved, and in an appropriate way.
alt.binaries and alt.binaries.misc are in place just for this very
purpose!
Adam
PS: Thanks for the XLS, though!
PPS: err... *hi*, Waldo... (cowers)
>It's interesting to me that nobody has a problem with the same
>question(s) being posted over and over again -- causing tons of
>needless threads to get started....not to mention the equally
>overbearing number of posts that have absolutely nothing to do with
>the groups at all (ie: Icewind Dale/Neverwinter Night/Etc. don't equal
>Baldur's Gate), and yet when I post something that I *thought* would
>be helpful to other people -- totaling a massive *two* threads (one
>for explanation one for content) all I hear is moaning about it.
Can I just inject some calm into this, errrm, 'debate' :). Usenet has a
number of codes of conduct generally called 'netiquette'. Some of these
may seem strange or unneccessary to people new to usenet, but (nearly)
all of them are there for a reason. Even if you don't know what the
reason is, it's a good idea to follow the rules. Failure to do so
usually just makes you look stupid: it's the 'net equivalent of turning
up to a formal dinner, eating with your fingers, crapping on the table
and then telling everyone else that they've been doing things wrong all
these years.
One of the rules is: Don't post binaries to non-binary groups.
There are a number of reasons for this:
1) Binaries get big quickly. Your binary may only be small, but if J.
Random Newbie sees his favourite newsgroup with binary posts all over it
he'll be tempted to start posting "MY FAVORIT SCREENSHOTTS" in 187
parts. Things go downhill from here.
2) Lots of ISPs automatically filter out binaries from posts to
non-binary groups. A large number of people thus won't see your post,
anyway.
3) Some ISPs don't carry any binary newsgroups at all (they take a *lot*
of space). Most of these have some sort of automated system whereby if a
group has lots of binary posts it will be flagged by their system as a
'binary' newsgroup and thus dropped. Your binary post may mean a lot of
inconvenience to other people when they suddenly find that their news
provider doesn't carry alt.games.baldurs-gate any more.
There are lots of 'misc' binaries groups out there: post binaries to
one or more of them and then post a pointer here. That way, everyone's
happy.
--
Dr Mark Mackey Beam the offer. Two for a
Not speaking for Merck, Sharp & Dohme cootie-coated Lathian and
http://www.ch.cam.ac.uk/MMRG/people/mdm/ his Willie Terwilliger.