Branwen - Dutch?
Jaheira - Germany?
Minsc - ??
Edwin - ??
Dwarves - Irish/Scottish?
And, any reason why they spoke that way. Perhaps it is described in the
FR books somewhere? I know dwarves are suppose to speak like Irish/Scottish
from the Drizzt's books (Cattie Brie spoke that way too, kinda like what Annah
from Planescape Torment did)
kops
TwinIon <twi...@myhome.now> wrote in message
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Branwen = Indeterminate Scandinavian (Danish, Norwegian, Swedish).
Jaheira = Not German; indeterminate Magreb? (Berber blonde?) Egyptian?
Minsc = Ukrainian (as in Dynamo Minsk, famous soccer team!), Russian;
"slavic" definitely.
Edwin = By the name & accent, definitely Armenian.
Dwarves = Scottish, not Irish.
Kivan = Clint Eastwood!
Well, not _that_ famous. I'd say of all the Dynamo teams, Dynamo Kiev is the
most famous of the lot - which still places it wayyyyyy behind clubs like
Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus, Inter, and the world's most recognized,
Man United.
- Smagu
You're American right? Thought so.
"KoperniK" <nic...@REMOVETHISlaw.com> wrote in message
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He's in the navy? How did you guess that?
>Minsc definately Eastern Europe (apart from the obvious accent, his name,
>Minsc=Minsk)
>Jaheira.....I thought scandinavian but yup - could be german.
Jaheira definately hasn't got a German accent. I am Dutch, and I
*KNOW* how Germans sound when they speak English. I live near the
Dutch/German border. But what accent does she have? I do not *know*.
(I'm beginning to sound like Dak'kon... too much PST.) ;)
Marva
On behalf of the rest of the world:
Name three English football teams with swear words in their names
(answer below).
--
Phil (who at least has the good sense to support a team with the
capability of beating, nay, hammering, Man U 5-0 on occasion)
Read the alt.games.baldurs-gate Usage FAQ:
www.demonspawn.net/bg/usage.htm
Answer:
Arsenal, Scunthorpe, and Manchester F****** United ;-)
Just to be pedantic, Minsk in in Belarus, not the Ukraine.
Andy
Of course, apologies; slavic (-ish) accent though.
Slavic Europe is my guess. Maybe Eastern Balcan. Definitely not
Scandinavian, that's Branwen.
--
Glenn
> > Branwen - Dutch?
> > Jaheira - Germany?
> > Minsc - ??
> > Edwin - ??
> > Dwarves - Irish/Scottish?
> >
>
> You're American right? Thought so.
As if you could tell the difference between Illinois, New York, New England,
South Carolinian, Virginian, Texan, California, and Hawaiian accents.
Europe is a far away place, with little relevance to American lives.
I lived in America, grew up in American culture but I'm not American. Not
Canadian either. I didn't think it matters anyay.
>
>
>As if you could tell the difference between Illinois, New York, New England,
>South Carolinian, Virginian, Texan, California, and Hawaiian accents.
I can tell the difference between a Southerner (Texan, etc...), a New Yorker
and that's it. For some reason accents intrigued me. Maybe it's my exposure to
the international crowd.
>
>
>Europe is a far away place, with little relevance to American lives.
>
From my experience as an "alien" in America, replace the word "Europe" with
just about any other country or region and you're 99% correct.
It seems like Amn is analogous with either Spain or Portugal due to her trade
with Maztica (Inca/Aztec). Tethyr felt like France or England while Calimshan
has traces of Arabic/Turkish root.
kops
Shawn Wilson <shawn....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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I was pointing out the provincialism and arrogance inherent in taking
Americans to task for something others are equally guilty of.
If it is a deficiency for Americans not to be intimately familiar with every
regionalism in Europe, then it is an equal deficiency for Europeans to not
be intimately familiar with every regionalism in the US.
I'm sure if they spoke German in Indiana, French in Missouri, Swedish in
Minnesota, Norwegian in Wisconsin, Russian in New York, Italian in Florida,
English in California, Spanish in Texas, Portuguese in Arizona, Basque in
Rhode Island, Polish in Pennsylvania, Russian in Virginia, Estonian in
Maine, Turkic in Georgia, etc, we would be able to tell which accent was
which without a scorecard.
But they don't.
I'm pretty sure I can name every country in Europe. How many Europeans can
name every state in the US? Which is further north- Minnesota or North
Dakota? Do you know why?
Can you name any provinces in South Africa??? How about Greece??
Which is more north Lakonia or Macedonia? Do you know why? I'm pretty sure I
can name more states in U.S.A than you can name countries in Europe.
> > I'm pretty sure I can name every country in Europe. How many Europeans
> can
> > name every state in the US? Which is further north- Minnesota or North
> > Dakota? Do you know why?
>
> Can you name any provinces in South Africa???
Can you name any counties in Illinois?
> How about Greece??
Indiana?
> Which is more north Lakonia or Macedonia?
Which Macedonia? Macedonia-Macedonia or Macedonia-Greece?
Do you know why? I'm pretty sure I
> can name more states in U.S.A than you can name countries in Europe.
Of course there ARE more states in the US than countries in Europe . . .
:P
kops
Shawn Wilson <shawn....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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You got the what, but you didn't get the why, which was a long ago surveying
error.
And, ironicly as hell (assuming you're European), you failed the Macedonia
test.
One of the regions of Greece is called Macedonia. So, yes, there are indeed
two different Macedonias, one Greek and one not.
In article <Yg457.72708$cc1.3...@nnrp3.clara.net>, "Bird" <b...@clara.co.uk>
wrote:
>This is getting a bit "off-topic", what?
>
>Getting back to the original post, I think we should have some mud wrestling
>to settle the issue.
>Er, oh no, here's the original post.
>
>
>
>
Check your facts again, Shawn, but let's not get drawn into a petty argument
about Macedonia. It can get very boring, very fast. Especially when you're
wrong eh?
Kops.
*how ironic*
> Hate to burst your little bubble, Shawn, but Macedonia was *never* and has
> *never* been a region of Greece.
Ah, ignorance . . .
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200102/20/eng20010220_62861.html
"Macedonia declared independence from Belgrade in 1991, but Greece disputes
Macedonia's right to use that name, saying that the Skopje government has
territorial designs on the Greek Macedonia, the largest province in northern
Greece."
http://www.focusmm.com/greece/maced_1.htm
"Macedonia (Makedonia) is Greece's largest geographical region and it
occupies the northern part of the country."
http://www.midcoast.com/~martucci/neva/macedonia.html
"Greece agreed to lift the economic blockade while Macedonia said it would
change its flag and constitution to remove any hint of a territorial claim
on Greece's northern Macedonia province."
http://www.hellas-info.org/Cultural/gourgouliatos.htm
"Zafiris Gourgouliatos was born in Naoussa Imathias, of the Macedonia
province in Greece."
http://web.mit.edu/hellenic/www/macedonia.html
This new republic, with capital the city of Skopje, emerged as the successor
to the former ``Yugoslav Federative Republic of Macedonia'', after the
collapse of former Yugoslavia, and applied for admission to the United
Nations with the name ``Republic of Macedonia''. Greece strongly opposes the
use of the term Macedonia, which is the name of its northern region."
Macedonia (historic region) (Bulgarian Makedoniya, Greek Makedonía,
Macedonian Makedonija), historic region in southeastern Europe, in the south
central part of the Balkan Peninsula. Macedonia covered about 66,000 sq km
(25,500 sq mi). Today slightly more than half of the region lies in northern
and northeastern Greece, in the Greek province of Macedonia.
"Macedonia (historic region)." Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia 2001. ©
1993-2000 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
> Check your facts again, Shawn, but let's not get drawn into a petty
argument
> about Macedonia. It can get very boring, very fast. Especially when you're
> wrong eh?
You should learn to check your facts.
> Kops.
>
> *how ironic*
You really should check your facts first, ESPECIALLY when you're going to
give attitude.
In article <buA57.51198$WS4.7...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>, "KoperniK"
In article <p8B57.9793$gj1.9...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "Shawn
Actually, she's voiced by a Romanian.
I expect Shawn is wondering if that means she's Italian, but still.
> Hate to burst your little bubble, Shawn, but Macedonia was *never* and has
> *never* been a region of Greece. This was disputed, oh about 1000 years
ago,
> but it has remained as a country in its own right through the ages.
Becoming
> part of the new Yugoslavia after the war, it is now an independant state
> follwing the break up of Yugoslavia. The fact that 2 million of
Macedonia's
> inhabitants are Greek means nothing as far as territorial rights go, as
> Greece, Turkey, Macedonia and Bulgaria have been exchanging inhabitants
for
> many centuries. Macedonia is not a region of Greece.
Maybe you should do a little more research. The counrty Macedonia was in
fact Skopia, most of the people living there are Skopians, not Greek.
Territorially, the region Macedonia is part of Greece and always has been.
If a Mexico is renamed to oh, say, Ohio, the region Ohio is not gonna stop
being a state of the U.S.A. As for the exchange in inhabitants, wrong again.
There were a lot of ethnic Albanians and Bulgarians moving into Greece and
Yugoslavia. But I digress, there is a region in Northern Greece, called
Macedonia inhanited by Greeks. Thessaloniki is in Macedonia, Greece. Always
has been. The part which you refer to, in Yugoslavia is inhabited by the
Skopians, a slavic and gypsy race. Greeks are not slavs, and the only
gypsies (real ones, not carnival fortunetellers) are Romany, Bulagrian and
Alabanian immigrants.
Macedonia IS a region in Greece. But there is also a country named
Macedonia. Got it?
I was referring more to International awareness. I may not be able to name
counties in Illinois, but you cannot name provinces in XXXX country.
My point is that states in U.S.A cannot be compared to countries in Europe.
Anymore than I can compare cities in Bulgaria to States in U.S.A. I could
say I know more American states than you know Bulgarian cities, but it would
be an unfair comparison.
Thank you Shawn.
As you said "Ah, ignorance", even more of a reason why the Greeks were
opposed to the whole thing. "Macedonia is not a region in Greece", aaah, it
grates my nerves sometimes.
> > Do you know why? I'm pretty sure I
> > > can name more states in U.S.A than you can name countries in Europe.
> >
> >
> > Of course there ARE more states in the US than countries in Europe . . .
> >
>
> I was referring more to International awareness. I may not be able to name
> counties in Illinois, but you cannot name provinces in XXXX country.
I sure as hell know at least one . . . I could probably come up with a
dozen without too much effort. Can you name a dozen counties in the US?
> My point is that states in U.S.A cannot be compared to countries in
Europe.
Sure they can. US states are about the size of European countries.
Knowledge at a certain level of detail about European countries is
comparable to knowledge at the same level of detail about American states.
>Actually, she's voiced by a Romanian.
Finally, a reply to the original post. I should think the poor bugger who
originally posted this question must have been a little put off by the
rants.
Is she really- well, anyway, I thought, with the name (and being with
Khalid), she was vaguely based on a Moroccan/Tunisian (don't anyone start
another war at having their countries lumped together), or other Islamic
country further afield- she even sounds like some Tunisians I know. And I
certainly know Moroccans (and Turks, so, i.e., in many Islamic countries)
with natural blonde hair, though I note that she's dyed it since BG1. And
had major facial surgery.
I thought the Jah/Vic portraits in BG1 were much more interesting.
Yup. I casted Power word silence on those who insist on debating off topic but
they seemed to have magic resistance. :)
>
>Is she really- well, anyway, I thought, with the name (and being with
>Khalid), she was vaguely based on a Moroccan/Tunisian (don't anyone start
>another war at having their countries lumped together), or other Islamic
>country further afield- she even sounds like some Tunisians I know. And I
>certainly know Moroccans (and Turks, so, i.e., in many Islamic countries)
>with natural blonde hair, though I note that she's dyed it since BG1. And
>had major facial surgery.
>I thought the Jah/Vic portraits in BG1 were much more interesting.
>
>
>
I know they changed the artist but why does Jaheira finally looks like a
half-elf but Viconia turned from drow to human-looking?
If I would see Jaheira's portrait in BG1, and then hers in BG2, I
could recognize the BG2 portrait as Jaheira. Viconia's portrait is so
different, that it almost seems another character...
Marva
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Most states share quite a bit in common culturally, wheras european
countries are more diverse.
For example most people in the USA speak the same language, except for in
Texas, I just dont know how to speak drawl.
Anyway this all rather pointless. How many Americans or Europeans can name
all the cities in Japan? How many know what language they speak in
Ethiopia? And how many would bother to find out unless they had a reason
to?
See I know everything about the US I have a reason to know, like to avoid
going to LA at any cost (I have family there). And I know that you drive on
the wrong side of the road over there, and I know that in social situations
in the US its best to use my mums Irish or my dads scottish accent.
Actually that last one is also very useful for surviving Austrailia as well,
I almost got lynched there once because I let loose my 'natural' english
accent that I've developed over all the years living here. Once I'd
explained I wasnt really english afterall they apologised and bought me a
beer.
> > > My point is that states in U.S.A cannot be compared to countries in
> > Europe.
> >
> >
> > Sure they can. US states are about the size of European countries.
> > Knowledge at a certain level of detail about European countries is
> > comparable to knowledge at the same level of detail about American
states.
>
> Most states share quite a bit in common culturally, wheras european
> countries are more diverse.
Which makes the task that much easier and European ignorance that much less
defensible.
> For example most people in the USA speak the same language, except for in
> Texas, I just dont know how to speak drawl.
The US has many regional accents, not just two.
> Anyway this all rather pointless. How many Americans or Europeans can
name
> all the cities in Japan?
No one insisted on complete knowledge.
There were conflicting info on that; it could either be a
Romanian born actress or just an American who employed a Romanian
accent. And as Glenn posted earlier, Jennifer Darling was to provide
the voice but later she was subbed with Dee <can't remember the rest>.
> Finally, a reply to the original post. I should think the poor bugger who
> originally posted this question must have been a little put off by the
> rants.
This sort of dithering crap goes on _all_ the time in the other
newsgroup I read regularly, rec.arts.sf.written, so count your
blessings. I once posted a simple query there for some AD&D novel
recommendations and some oh-so-clever prson there commented on how
stupid the name "Drizzt Do'Urden" was and asked others to come up with
other stupid fantasy names. That "stupid" sub-thread made me wade
through half of my thread (or about 60 out of 120 posts)for my
answers.
> Is she really- well, anyway, I thought, with the name (and being with
> Khalid),
Yes, and Khalid was originally from Calimshire, obviously an
Arabic inspired culture.
>she was vaguely based on a Moroccan/Tunisian (don't anyone start
> another war at having their countries lumped together), or other Islamic
> country further afield- she even sounds like some Tunisians I know.
That's my best guess as to region. Specifically, I think J's
Persian inspired.
>And I
> certainly know Moroccans (and Turks, so, i.e., in many Islamic countries)
> with natural blonde hair,
Hmm, I didn't know that. I know Spaniards can have blond hair,
and Moors did overran Spain until El Cid helped drove them out. (Just
saw that movie yesterday. Terrific! -- intelligent script and good
acting.)
>though I note that she's dyed it since BG1. And
> had major facial surgery.
> I thought the Jah/Vic portraits in BG1 were much more interesting.
I personally think J's portrait in BG2 perfectly suited her
strong personality and is beautiful, especially that pouting lip (cold
shower time!), but if they retained her BG1 portrait, I'd probably
still find her as attractive. It's ultimately not the wrapping but
what's underneath.
OTOH, Viconia's transformation from a "swarthy", grungy witch in
BG1 to an elegant "ebony" fashion model in BG2 definitely boosted her
popularity with the blokes... until most of them tripped themselves
painfully over her excess Drow baggage!
Ht
"Calimshire" would obviously be a rural-England inspired culture, probably
full of halflings. "Calimshan" is an Arabic-inspired culture.
(Snip)
> Hmm, I didn't know that. I know Spaniards can have blond hair,
> and Moors did overran Spain until El Cid helped drove them out. (Just
> saw that movie yesterday. Terrific! -- intelligent script and good
> acting.)
Rodrigo de Bivar, El Cid, did not drive the Moors out of Spain. The
Reconquistada was centuries later, and was completed by Ferdinand &
Isabella, who celebrated the final driving out of the Moors by financing
Columbus' expedition.
Paul Speaker-to-Customers
And bad cheese. But I could have sworn Salvatore and several
others occasionally used "Calimshire."
>"Calimshan" is an Arabic-inspired culture.
>
> (Snip)
>
> > Hmm, I didn't know that. I know Spaniards can have blond hair,
> > and Moors did overran Spain until El Cid helped drove them out. (Just
> > saw that movie yesterday. Terrific! -- intelligent script and good
> > acting.)
>
> Rodrigo de Bivar, El Cid, did not drive the Moors out of Spain. The
> Reconquistada was centuries later, and was completed by Ferdinand &
> Isabella, who celebrated the final driving out of the Moors by financing
> Columbus' expedition.
What, you mean that movie wasn't historically accurate, like
_Braveheart_ _Rob Roy_, and _Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves_?!! But
anyhow I did say that he just helped drove them out, not that he
completed the process, so nyah, nyah...
BTW, if you haven't heard, you can get back together with Vic in
TOB. And Sarevok is not all that jarring a presence as an npc. I've
barely started though, so I can't comment about the gameplay.
> Paul Speaker-to-Customers
Ht
Speaker-to-Infidels
Not really, it means that in the states its easier for people to move
around, find employment, order stuff in bars etc wheras in europe its more
difficult and people will be less inclined to do so. Therefore what goes on
in Greece probably isnt at all relevant to someone in France, wheras if
there are jobs going in both Colorado and in Nevada an American will want to
know about those places.
> > For example most people in the USA speak the same language, except for
in
> > Texas, I just dont know how to speak drawl.
>
>
> The US has many regional accents, not just two.
I know, I can in fact tell the difference between US and Canadian, New York
and Texas etc. I have friends from all those places so I'm lucky to have
had experience.
But if there is any ignorance of any kind then blame the real culprits, the
motion picture industry, as most people outside the US picture it like it is
in the movies, ie bloody violent and every street is run by a Robert De Niro
lookalike.
> > Anyway this all rather pointless. How many Americans or Europeans can
> name
> > all the cities in Japan?
>
>
> No one insisted on complete knowledge.
No, that was kind of my point as people the world over are inclined only to
remember information that might actually be relevant at some point to them.
It's a bit like that old 2000 AD story about Meltdown man which had him
looking at an upside down South America map, and the penny not dropping for
half the story!
Winseer
"Baby Brain" <baby...@crimsonsaint.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Has anyone tried (for a piece of trivia) naming all the accents used for
> NPC's in baldur's gate?
That's how this thread started in the first place :-)
Geoffrey Brent