Cloudkill, Stinking Cloud Useless?

[Georgethe4]

What good are the spells cloudkill and stinking cloud? Although I made good use
of stinking cloud in games like Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds,
etc. I don't seem to be getting much use out of this one in BG.
Cool, cool
George IV

[Godforsaken]

Cloudkill is great actually. Kills Umber Hulks almost instantly. Plus takes
lots of HP's from most enemies very quickly.

Stinking cloud..... not quite so good however does knock enemies out cold
quite often making fights a lot easier

G

"Georgethe4" <georg...@aol.com> wrote in message
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[Gordon and Taryn Lewis]

it's great in a dead end room with a door; cast that, stinking cloud and
close the door...good way to take out many enemies or those that are a pain
(like torgal and co.)
"Godforsaken" <god(nospam)fors...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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[James Prieels]

georg...@aol.com (Georgethe4) wrote in message news:<20010709014956...@ng-md1.aol.com>...

Well, I do think Stinking Cloud's implementation is a lot better in BG
than in PoR1. Its range and duration are far greater.

It does suffer under the direct competition of its fellow evocation
spell, 'Web', which also immobilises, but Web imposes a saving throw
penalty. Still, Stinking Cloud does have its uses.

A standard trick in BG1 is to have Animated Dead up front, and if they
can't manage on their own, help them out with a Stinking Cloud: the
skeletons are not affected by it. Once, in an online campaign, I knew
of a certain dwarf who would run head-on into my mage's Stinking
Clouds. (Hi Colin :-) His Fighter's saving throws and natural
resistance to poison caused him to shrug off its effects.

Spiders, immune by Web, can be stopped by a Stinking Cloud.

IIRC, I think that in p&p d&d, 'larger than man-sized' opponents don't
mind Web either. But they do have to breathe, so Stinking Cloud gets'
em.

Cloud Kill has been heavily debated here. Casting it from outside the
target's viewing range, will cause it to just sit there in the cloud
and die.
This is generally regarded as abusing the AI, but there's no doubt
that it's very effective.

Suppose you have a Fighter/Mage and he wades into a tough fight.
Protect him from the Stinking Cloud/Cloudkill (Minor Globe in BG1,
Spell Immunity in BG2) and it only helps to make life more difficult
for his opponents.

Each spell has its uses. Cloudkill nor Stinking Cloud are bad spells
at all.

Cheers,
James

[heather-jo cusack]

<snip well worded crititque of said spells>

> Each spell has its uses. Cloudkill nor Stinking Cloud are bad spells
> at all.
>
> Cheers,
> James

Cloudkill (love those wands) also makes a handy backup 'mass spellcaster
interruption' device/technique, very handy as a first move of ambush (or
after shadow door).

Stinking Cloud and Web (don't know about Grease) won't actually harm the
victims, so it's safe to use in a city/building.
To cut a long story short, I don't have a Cleric, but I imagine that if you
summon something and Haste it while your Cleric casts 'Free Action', you
could make quite the mess indeed.

Liam

[Bird]

Cloudkill's effect is apparently "biological", and is therefore effective
against creatures with high magic resitance, e.g., the Drow.

[D. Vrabel]

Bird wrote:
>
> Cloudkill's effect is apparently "biological", and is therefore effective
> against creatures with high magic resitance, e.g., the Drow.

Actually it's a bug. The Wand of Cloudkill is supposed to be affected
by magic resistance. Wand are just spells (in this case Cloudkill)
trapped in a stick. You will notice that the spell itself is affected
by magic resistance.

Of course feel free to rationalize the bug by saying it's just a cloud
of acid/poison/whatever rather than magic.

David Vrabel

[Bird]

<<Actually it's a bug. The Wand of Cloudkill is supposed to be affected
by magic resistance. Wand are just spells (in this case Cloudkill)
trapped in a stick. You will notice that the spell itself is affected
by magic resistance.

Of course feel free to rationalize the bug by saying it's just a cloud
of acid/poison/whatever rather than magic.>>

These cheap foreign imports. Still, can't complain.
How about a Wand Of Skull Trap?

[Glenn Christer Bjørge]

"Bird" <b...@clara.co.uk> skrev i melding
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> Cloudkill's effect is apparently "biological", and is therefore effective
> against creatures with high magic resitance, e.g., the Drow.
>
>

I believe you'll find that only the Cloudkill wand works with Drows, due to
a bug. Cloudkill doesn't ignore MR when a mage casts that spell. Someone,
_please_ tell me that this bug is fixed in ToB...

--
Glenn

[James Coulter]

"Glenn Christer Bjørge" <gcb...@online.no> wrote in message
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>
> I believe you'll find that only the Cloudkill wand works with Drows, due
to
> a bug. Cloudkill doesn't ignore MR when a mage casts that spell. Someone,
> _please_ tell me that this bug is fixed in ToB...
>

Far as I can tell, no. This was from one of my pre-TOB game files, don't
know if it still happens with newly created TOB games.

And yes, it does work against Demogorgon.

[T.J....@durham.ac.uk]

Godforsaken <god(nospam)fors...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> Cloudkill is great actually. Kills Umber Hulks almost instantly. Plus takes
> lots of HP's from most enemies very quickly.

> Stinking cloud..... not quite so good however does knock enemies out cold
> quite often making fights a lot easier

I used Stinking Cloud quite a bit in BG1 - just the thing for dealing
with basilisks.

Tom
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