Playing a Paladin from the very beginning has finally paid off. (Powerful Equipment Location Spoiler)
Derek Wildstar
like playing Paladins. I personally started playing paladins way back in P&P
days, due to the fact that they are very good fighters, can keep themselves
healthy, and tend to be able to follow most story lines, quests, as the
designers intended. Most quests are sucessfully completed when done from a
good alignment.
I've used my paladin Avatar, for years and years now, slightly changing him
in BG2 with the Cavalier Kit. It's how I played him anyway, rejecting
missile weapons, and actively hating evil creatures, demons. It was almost
too good to be true, the benefits of that kit.
However, I have always had issues with my Cavalier not having anything more
than a decent +2 two handed sword. Sure, there are some decent halberds and
hammers, but again, I prefer to use what I like..and I like bastard, two
handed swords.
***Spoiler Space***
All that has changed however, with my stronghold quest in bg2. I have
played bg2 for some time, and finally got around to the Paladin sub-quest.
It was quite entertaining, but not really satisfying until I was told to
slay that f*ing cocky dragon Firkraag. I was itching to take him down after
that crap in the windspear hills, dismissing me like a goddamn child. I was
not ready to take him on then, but I was now.
Picture it, a Cavalier (+3 against Dragons) armed with a Dragon's Bane +3
halberd (double damage against dragons), helm of fire resistance, boots of
speed, hasted, blessed, chanted, fireshielded, with a grudge going up
against a honkin red dragon.
I summoned a few elemantals to keep him busy, some miscast magic and party
haste, finish with a few breach spells and that beasty fell with only one
party member (the mage) dying. Quick harper's call, and all was well. He
really didn't stand a chance agaisnt such determination (god I hate being
Mazed however)
And lo and behold, Firkragg was holding onto Carsomyr. A +5 Lawful Good
Two-Hnaded Sword that just kicks major ass. 50% Magic resitance and a +5
against evil. Not to mention Dispel Magic 3 times daily. Frees up a few
spell slots for my wizard/clerics. They don't have to have so many memorized
now.
I'm sure many of you know all about that weapon, but I like to be surprised
by what's available...I tend not to look ahead in the game by going to
different web sites and reading up on BG2's secrets. So maybe there is
something more powerful, maybe not. This is the best weapon I have ever seen
in any RPG. As a Paladin, I couldn't be happier with this Sword. Watch out
evil, Hero coming through!
P.S. the last time I was as thilled with a piece of equipment was a Tome of
Strength. Having a 19 strength is a very good thing to have indeed.
Phaenar
"Derek Wildstar" <gun...@argo.mil> wrote in message
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<snip>
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> ***Spoiler Space***
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> And lo and behold, Firkragg was holding onto Carsomyr. A +5 Lawful Good
> Two-Hnaded Sword that just kicks major ass. 50% Magic resitance and a +5
> against evil. Not to mention Dispel Magic 3 times daily. Frees up a few
> spell slots for my wizard/clerics. They don't have to have so many
memorized
> now.
Yeah playing a paladin is probably the next best thing to being a
fighter/thief with UAI, or being a sorcerer, or being a berserker dualed to
cleric.
>
> I'm sure many of you know all about that weapon, but I like to be
surprised
> by what's available...I tend not to look ahead in the game by going to
> different web sites and reading up on BG2's secrets. So maybe there is
> something more powerful, maybe not. This is the best weapon I have ever
seen
> in any RPG. As a Paladin, I couldn't be happier with this Sword. Watch out
> evil, Hero coming through!
For paladins Carsomyr is the cats ass. If you are an evil fighter you can
dual wield the unholy reaver which is kind of similar in an evil sort of
way.
The only drawback to Carsomyr is that fighter/thieves can't use it to
backstab, not that I'm complaining. At least not too much. Jaheira says I
always complain but I think she's just projecting. At least, that's what my
therapist says.
J.C. Bengtson
> I'm sure many of you know all about that weapon [Carsomyr], but I like to be surprised
> by what's available...I tend not to look ahead in the game by going to
> different web sites and reading up on BG2's secrets.
Keep playing; there's more good weapons available for your Paladin, and
the Throne of Bhaal expansion adds in at least one or two that I can
think of that make good equipment for a holy warrior, as well as some
nice accessories. Bear in mind that while your Cavalier cannot wield a
pure-ranged weapon (bows, slings, darts), he CAN use throwing axes and
other weapons that function in a melee form as well.
--
J.C. Bengtson - "Makoru"
* http://home.ptd.net/~golbez
* http://sailorscout.redversusblue.com
Derek Wildstar
"J.C. Bengtson" <gol...@ptd.net> wrote in message
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That's welcome news. I suspected as much, for my gods/game dev. dungeon
masters haven't let me down yet.
I've never felt the loss of the purely ranged weapons, either through using
a weapon that effectively nullifies it (Like the handy throwing axe) or
having an inseperable alter-ago (ranged only) be my #2.
It's like playing a Dual-Classed character, but can hold twice as much!
Jonathan Ellis
people
> like playing Paladins.
My first run through BG1 and BG2 was with a paladin. Romancing
Jaheira.
> However, I have always had issues with my Cavalier not having
anything more
> than a decent +2 two handed sword.
There's a perfectly good +3 one with a couple of interesting powers
too, available in the very second surface area you meet, via a quest
acquired in a certain well-known inn. Just be sure you can put up with
an annoyingly metallic voice haranguing you every so often...
Jonathan.
Slyder
> All that has changed however, with my stronghold quest in bg2. I have
> played bg2 for some time, and finally got around to the Paladin sub-quest.
> It was quite entertaining, but not really satisfying until I was told to
> slay that f*ing cocky dragon Firkraag. I was itching to take him down
after
> that crap in the windspear hills, dismissing me like a goddamn child. I
was
> not ready to take him on then, but I was now.
I'm playing through BG2 with a Paladin as main char, and the other 5 all
created by me (I prefer this as I feel more 'connection' to the party). I
would love to know if you do anything specific to trigger the Paladin
stronghold quest? I am starting to wonder if it needs an npc in the party,
although in a previous abondoned game I got the fighter stronghold with
created chars only. I've done the Paladin related bits I've been given, but
now the order have no tasks for me.
Any help in getting a little place to call my own would be appreciated :¬)
Slyder
Torstein Gjørud
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> I'm playing through BG2 with a Paladin as main char, and the other 5 all
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Spoiler
Talk to Lord Jierdan Firkraag in the Copper Coronet
Slyder
"Torstein Gjørud" <gjoerud...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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That's what is confusing me. I've finished the entire area his 'quest'
sends you to and the only thing left living is the big one at the end. I
read somewhere that you cannot kill that last being until the order ask you
to because the reward for that is the stronghold. Every time I go back to
the order it's kinda "don't forget, if you need anything come on back" and
no orders to slaughter you-know-what. Is it perhaps level related, I'm 12
at the moment. *scratches head*
Slyder
Jonathan Ellis
"Slyder" <slyder5...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Have you been back to talk to Garren Windspear himself in his cabin?
You've released his daughter, but you should go and talk to the man
himself. He should then (if you are a paladin) indicate he's willing
to sponsor any application by you to become a member of the Order.
Jonathan.
MPrilla
>sends you to and the only thing left living is the big one at the end. I
>read somewhere that you cannot kill that last being until the order ask you
>to because the reward for that is the stronghold. Every time I go back to
>the order it's kinda "don't forget, if you need anything come on back" and
>no orders to slaughter you-know-what. Is it perhaps level related, I'm 12
>at the moment. *scratches head*
>
>Slyder
>
No it is not level related. You should not have gone there at all before the
order told you to likely you messed this up.
Do you have a saved game before you set off against the dragon?
If so start from there and don't go there at all till the order tells you to.
Did you do the other tasks promptly?
Kismet
"MPrilla" <mpr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >That's what is confusing me. I've finished the entire area his 'quest'
> >sends you to and the only thing left living is the big one at the end. I
> >read somewhere that you cannot kill that last being until the order ask
you
> >to because the reward for that is the stronghold. Every time I go back
to
> >the order it's kinda "don't forget, if you need anything come on back"
and
> >no orders to slaughter you-know-what. Is it perhaps level related, I'm
12
> >at the moment. *scratches head*
> >
> >Slyder
> >
>
> No it is not level related. You should not have gone there at all before
the
> order told you to likely you messed this up.
>
the big bad guy) before I went and talked to the Radiant Heart guys about
joining the order. I got all the Paladin stronghold quests then.
MPrilla
>the big bad guy) before I went and talked to the Radiant Heart guys about
>joining the order. I got all the Paladin stronghold quests then.
>
Ah yes It does matter I know I did the windspear hills quest once before being
assigned it by the paladins.
Yes you will be assigned the other ones so what if you dont' get assigned the
windspear hills one and that is the last one you do not I reapeat do not
actually gain the stronghold.
Do you understand that?
If the paladins do not assign that quest to you and you don't complete it you
have not gained the paladin stronghold.
Completing the others means nothing if you don't complete that one last and
only when assigned to do so.
Get it now. you are incorrect false it matters. You messed up and didn't even
notice it because you never ever actually got the paladin stronghold.
You didn't do it right and you don't even know it.
I did that same thing the first time I played the game I know you are
incorrect.
I also did it correctly another time.
I know what I am talking about you don't.
Slyder
> >Have you been back to talk to Garren Windspear himself in his cabin?
> >You've released his daughter, but you should go and talk to the man
> >himself. He should then (if you are a paladin) indicate he's willing
> >to sponsor any application by you to become a member of the Order.
> >
> >Jonathan.
>
>
> I think he should not have even gone to windspear hills till the pladins
sent
> him there myself and that he has by doing some of this area ruined his
chances
> for the stronghold. Since he did it before he was assigned it by the
order of
> the radiant hart.
I Think you may have hit the problem there my friend :¬(
Although (he says, clutching at straws):
I thought from snippets that I'd read that the involvement with the order in
the windspear area was only the killing of Firkraag (sp?). I also thought
that this quest was only given after the good Mr Windspear spoke to the
order on your behalf, which only happens after you've wiped out nearly all
the area.
As it happens the only 'old' save I have is prior to moving on to chapter 4.
I have now continued on and am walking round singing "under the sea"!!!
(Those that have got that far will know what I mean, I'm trying not to
spoil).
So I think I've blown my chance for the stronghold, but probably worse I've
missed the loot from the final kill.
Slyder
Kish
> Although (he says, clutching at straws):
Ignore everything MPrilla says.
EVERYTHING. I mean it.
You do not have to talk to anyone at the Order before you talk to Lord
Jierdan, or before you go to the Windspear Hills.
Henry Lockwood
This is inaccurate. If your PC is male, Garren's child is female; if your
PC is female, Garren's child is male.
> > I think he should not have even gone to windspear hills till the pladins
sent
> > him there myself and that he has by doing some of this area ruined his
chances
> > for the stronghold. Since he did it before he was assigned it by the
order of
> > the radiant hart.
I've never had a problem with this. In fact, you are given the stronghold
after rescuing Garren's child, as Garren recommends you to the Radiant
Heart.
> I Think you may have hit the problem there my friend :¬(
>
> Although (he says, clutching at straws):
>
> I thought from snippets that I'd read that the involvement with the order
in
> the windspear area was only the killing of Firkraag (sp?). I also thought
> that this quest was only given after the good Mr Windspear spoke to the
> order on your behalf, which only happens after you've wiped out nearly all
> the area.
>
> As it happens the only 'old' save I have is prior to moving on to chapter
4.
> I have now continued on and am walking round singing "under the sea"!!!
> (Those that have got that far will know what I mean, I'm trying not to
> spoil).
>
> So I think I've blown my chance for the stronghold, but probably worse
I've
> missed the loot from the final kill.
You can go and kill Firkraag whether or not you are a Paladin, and whether
or not you have the Paladin Stronghold. The loot is unaltered.
Slyder
"Kish" <Kis...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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That's cool, BUT, since I've been thinking about this I've carried on
playing and am now in the Underdark!! How about a new question - do I get
to a point where I can get back to the Windspear area to finish off the foul
beastie ?
Thanks for the answers BTW people.
Slyder
MPrilla
Yes I am pretty sure I did the first time I played this game years ago I made
that same mistake.
>
>Although (he says, clutching at straws):
>
>I thought from snippets that I'd read that the involvement with the order in
>the windspear area was only the killing of Firkraag (sp?).
Not exactly the killing of the good guys and talking to that guy in the cabin
also matter but the real key is don't even go to windspear until you are told
to by the order because it is the last quest you get and if you do it before
being told to you don't ever get your stronghold. That is in most if not all
the walkthroughs by the way its where I checked when I noticed something wrong
myself when I did that same mistake
I also thought
>that this quest was only given after the good Mr Windspear spoke to the
>order on your behalf, which only happens after you've wiped out nearly all
>the area.
No windspear doesn't give you the quest you must do all the other quests for
the order the last one they tell you to do is go to the windspear hills. If
they don't tell you to do that you do not finish the paladin quest. If you did
the quest before they tell you then they won't tell you to do that and you
don't get your stronghold.
This is well documented and in several if not all the walkthroughs.
I am 100000% right about that ignore the newbies that say anything otherwise I
have seen this myself and done it wrong and right myself and seen it in
walkthroughs. There are a lot of morons here just ignore them.
>
>As it happens the only 'old' save I have is prior to moving on to chapter 4.
>I have now continued on and am walking round singing "under the sea"!!!
>(Those that have got that far will know what I mean, I'm trying not to
>spoil).
>
>So I think I've blown my chance for the stronghold, but probably worse I've
>missed the loot from the final kill.
Actually you can still kill that dragon and get the sword you just don't get
the stronghold. He is still there if you didn't kill him. In fact any class
can go to windspear and kill him and get the sword.
>
>Slyder
>
>
MPrilla
Listen up moron every good walkthough tells you to never to to windspear if
your a paladin because you won't get your stronghold.
I suggest you shut up because you don't know jack.
Everyone knows this your a moron and have been exposed as one. No one will
ever listen to you again and with good reason. Your wrong big time and you are
wrong very often.
MPrilla
>
>EVERYTHING. I mean it.
>
>You do not have to talk to anyone at the Order before you talk to Lord
>Jierdan, or before you go to the Windspear Hills.
>
Oh and moron I said nothing about talking to lord Jierdan. I said don't go to
windspear until the order tells you to if you are a paladin. Every good
walkthrough tells you that. Your busted and exposed as a moron everyone is
laughing at you not with you at you. Shut the hell up MORON.
MPrilla
>
>This is inaccurate. If your PC is male, Garren's child is female; if your
>PC is female, Garren's child is male.
Whatever you gay guys who play males because you want to look at the male pics
all day get female children to rescue then. Us strait normal people who would
rather look at a nice pic of a pretty girl like buffy we downloaded get a male
child to rescue. Its not my fault that your gay.
>
>> > I think he should not have even gone to windspear hills till the pladins
>sent
>> > him there myself and that he has by doing some of this area ruined his
>chances
>> > for the stronghold. Since he did it before he was assigned it by the
>order of
>> > the radiant hart.
>
>I've never had a problem with this. In fact, you are given the stronghold
>after rescuing Garren's child, as Garren recommends you to the Radiant
>Heart.
Read a damn walkthrough. Garren gives you that quest yes we know that that is
for any PC to do. I am telling you and all the walkthroughs tell you if your a
paladin don't go there till the order tells you or you blow your stronghold.
Its the last quest the order sends you on. Every freaking walkthrough that is
worth a damn tells you this now shut the hell up.
going in there if your playing a figher isn't the same as doing it when your
playing a paladin and its part of your stronghold quests. Dont' post about
what you dont' know MORON.
>
>> I Think you may have hit the problem there my friend :¬(
>>
>> Although (he says, clutching at straws):
>>
>> I thought from snippets that I'd read that the involvement with the order
>in
>> the windspear area was only the killing of Firkraag (sp?). I also thought
>> that this quest was only given after the good Mr Windspear spoke to the
>> order on your behalf, which only happens after you've wiped out nearly all
>> the area.
>>
>> As it happens the only 'old' save I have is prior to moving on to chapter
>4.
>> I have now continued on and am walking round singing "under the sea"!!!
>> (Those that have got that far will know what I mean, I'm trying not to
>> spoil).
>>
>> So I think I've blown my chance for the stronghold, but probably worse
>I've
>> missed the loot from the final kill.
>
>You can go and kill Firkraag whether or not you are a Paladin, and whether
>or not you have the Paladin Stronghold. The loot is unaltered.
Yes we know that. What I am saying you mentally deficient git is that if you
are a Paladin don't go there till the order sends you there. Because if you do
you blow your stronghold. Every walkthrough of note tells you this you idiot.
If you do that quest before being told to and your a paladin you may think you
got your stronghold but your wrong you didn't.
I know I have personaly played a paladin and did the game both ways. Now shut
the hell up you idiot.
>
Jeroen te Strake
says...
>
> Listen up moron every good walkthough tells you to never to to windspear if
> your a paladin because you won't get your stronghold.
Yeah, except that the game directs you there immediately - and you'd
think the creators should know. No warning at all in the game. Makes you
wonder, doesn't it.
Anyway, you know Dan Simpson's walkthrough? Universally recognised as
being the best, at least by everyone else on this newsgroup? Except by
you, probably
From the walkthrough:
Paladin --> Order of the Radiant Heart
Talk to Lord Jierdan in the Copper Coronet (Slums) to get this
ball rolling. Finish the quest and return to Garren, who now
offers to help you enter the Order of the Radiant Heart. Your
Paladin special abilities will also be increased. Do NOT kill
Firkraag until you are asked to.
Note: Although it says that your abilities are increased,
nothing appears to happen.
Go to the Radiant Heart and talk to Prelate Wesselan in the top
left side room. Agree to what he says, then go talk to William
Reirrac. You are given a small room in the Order and started
out doing quests:
In other words, go there directly. Just don't kill Firkraag - that'll
mess up the last quest.
- Jeroen
Kismet
> >Actually it doesn't matter. I totally finished Windspear (including
killing
> >the big bad guy) before I went and talked to the Radiant Heart guys about
> >joining the order. I got all the Paladin stronghold quests then.
> >
>
> Ah yes It does matter I know I did the windspear hills quest once before
being
> assigned it by the paladins.
>
> Yes you will be assigned the other ones so what if you dont' get assigned
the
> windspear hills one and that is the last one you do not I reapeat do not
> actually gain the stronghold.
>
> Do you understand that?
>
> If the paladins do not assign that quest to you and you don't complete it
you
> have not gained the paladin stronghold.
When I finished the 3rd quest I received some armor, got a whole bunch of
detect evil & protection from evil spells and I was told that I was now free
to pursue my own business. What part of getting the stronghold did I miss?
According to Dan Simpson's walkthough the thing I missed by killing Firkraag
without being asked was some extra experience.
MPrilla
>When I finished the 3rd quest I received some armor, got a whole bunch of
>detect evil & protection from evil spells and I was told that I was now free
>to pursue my own business. What part of getting the stronghold did I miss?
>
>According to Dan Simpson's walkthough the thing I missed by killing Firkraag
>without being asked was some extra experience.
>
OK liar. Did you add the multistronghold patch or something? Your skiping
something and bullshiting us all I can tell everyone can tell. Your full of it
OK. We all know that.
MPrilla
>think the creators should know. No warning at all in the game. Makes you
>wonder, doesn't it.
>
>Anyway, you know Dan Simpson's walkthrough? Universally recognised as
>being the best, at least by everyone else on this newsgroup? Except by
>you, probably
NO asshole that one tells you what I am saying you MORON.
>
>From the walkthrough:
>
> Paladin --> Order of the Radiant Heart
>
> Talk to Lord Jierdan in the Copper Coronet (Slums) to get this
> ball rolling. Finish the quest and return to Garren, who now
> offers to help you enter the Order of the Radiant Heart. Your
> Paladin special abilities will also be increased. Do NOT kill
> Firkraag until you are asked to.
Exactly you asshole. He must have talked to firkraag even if he didn't kill
him that bounced him out of being asked to kill him by the order understand
that you moron.
He talked to firkraag and got the kid I can tell otherwise the order would have
asked him to kill firkraag.
>
> Note: Although it says that your abilities are increased,
> nothing appears to happen.
>
> Go to the Radiant Heart and talk to Prelate Wesselan in the top
> left side room. Agree to what he says, then go talk to William
> Reirrac. You are given a small room in the Order and started
> out doing quests:
>
>In other words, go there directly. Just don't kill Firkraag - that'll
>mess up the last quest.
Yea but what it didn't say is don't talk to firkraag at all. He must have
talked to him and freed the kid bouncing out of his stronghold permently
understand now you moron?
>
>- Jeroen
Cam
> your a paladin because you won't get your stronghold.
>
> I suggest you shut up because you don't know jack.
>
> Everyone knows this your a moron and have been exposed as one. No one will
> ever listen to you again and with good reason. Your wrong big time and you are
> wrong very often.
>
>
best-
http://db.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/file/baldurs_gate_ii.txt
and it says:
Talk to Lord Jierdan in the Copper Coronet (Slums) to get this
ball rolling. Finish the quest and return to Garren, who now
offers to help you enter the Order of the Radiant Heart. Your
Paladin special abilities will also be increased. Do NOT kill
Firkraag until you are asked to.
So it appears that not only is it ok to Lord Jierdan's quest
(that is, go to Windspear Hills) before going to the Order,
but is the best way to get into the Order.
MPrilla, I think you Kish and Slyder an apology. Not only was
moron and liar way over the line, but they were correct and
you were mistaken.
Cam
MPrilla
NO I DON'T YOU ASSHOLE. I NEVER EVER SAID YOU CAN'T TALK TO LORD JEIRIDAN YOU
MORON. YOU AND OTHER ASSHOLES PUT THAT IN MY MOUTH. YOU SHIT HEAD.
I SAID DON'T GO TO WINDSPEAR UNTIL THE ORDER ASKS YOU TO AND I STAND BY IT.
THAT GUARANTEES YOU WON'T MESS IT UP.
I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN GO THERE AND EVEN GO INTO THAT DUNGEON AND KILL
EVERYTHING AS LONG AS YOU DON'T GO TO THE FINAL DUNGEON.
HE WENT THERE AND TALKED HIS WAY INTO FREEING THE KID THAT SCREWED UP HIS
STRONGHOLD YOU MORON.
IT IS YOU AND YOUR MORONIC IDIOTS THAT OWE ME AND THIS ENTIRE FORUM AND APOLOGY
FOR TWISTING MY WORDS AND LYING ABOUT WHAT I SAID NOW I AM TIRED OF YOUR
BULLSHIT.
YOU ALWAYS TWIST WHAT I SAY AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ AND THINK.
SHUT UP YOU MORON.
THE BEST WAY TO GUARNTEE A PALADIN WON'T BLOW THAT STONGHOLD IS TO YES TALK TO
LORD FIRCRAG BUT DON'T GO THERE TILL THE PALADINS TELL YOU TO DO SO.
THAT WORKS 100% OF THE TIME YOU ASSHOLE.
SHUT THE FUCK UP MORON.
YOU OWE ME THE APOLOGY ASSHOLE
>
>Cam
>
>
HomerJ
Damn, MPrilla, we've missed you ;)
Cam
says...
>
> NO I DON'T YOU ASSHOLE. I NEVER EVER SAID YOU CAN'T TALK TO LORD JEIRIDAN YOU
> MORON. YOU AND OTHER ASSHOLES PUT THAT IN MY MOUTH. YOU SHIT HEAD.
>
> I SAID DON'T GO TO WINDSPEAR UNTIL THE ORDER ASKS YOU TO AND I STAND BY IT.
> THAT GUARANTEES YOU WON'T MESS IT UP.
>
> I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN GO THERE AND EVEN GO INTO THAT DUNGEON AND KILL
> EVERYTHING AS LONG AS YOU DON'T GO TO THE FINAL DUNGEON.
>
> HE WENT THERE AND TALKED HIS WAY INTO FREEING THE KID THAT SCREWED UP HIS
> STRONGHOLD YOU MORON.
>
> IT IS YOU AND YOUR MORONIC IDIOTS THAT OWE ME AND THIS ENTIRE FORUM AND APOLOGY
> FOR TWISTING MY WORDS AND LYING ABOUT WHAT I SAID NOW I AM TIRED OF YOUR
> BULLSHIT.
>
Windspear quest. The first three words of the second sentence of the
quote are "Finish the quest". Finishing the quest means freeing Garren's
child. Killing Firkraag does ruin the paladin stronghold, but you can
free her without killing Firkraag. To free her, you must talk to
Firkraag, otherwise you can't get the key to an unpickable lock.
Cam
MPrilla
>
>
Yea bite me.
MPrilla
If you would shut the fuck up and read the whole thread you would know you have
your head up your own ass and have for quite some time. Your out of line and
wrong fuck you shut up eat shit.
it said talk to Lord Jierdan AND do the
>Windspear quest.
I never said any damn thing about lord jierdan you asshole.
doing the windspear quest to most people means doing it to the end you idiot.
I said don't do it till the order tells you to so that you dont' screw up your
stronghold. You moron if your a paladin you shouldn't even go there because
maybe talking to the dragon is what screws it up and I suspect that myself and
maybe its ok to clear the upper dungeoons but are you sure? No your not you
asshole.
Better safe than sorry you moron.
The first three words of the second sentence of the
>quote are "Finish the quest". Finishing the quest means freeing Garren's
>child.
Are you going to argue now what the word IS means like Clinton? you asshole
finishing that quest can mean killing the dragon and obviously freeing the kid
causes the order to not give you the quest you moron.
Killing Firkraag does ruin the paladin stronghold, but you can
>free her without killing Firkraag.
Yea and still ruin the stronghold you moron. He talked to firkraag and freed
the kid yet the order didnt' tell him to kill firkraag get it now you idiot.
To free her, you must talk to
>Firkraag, otherwise you can't get the key to an unpickable lock.
You can kill him to free the kid too.
Just don't go to windspear till the order tells you to and 100% of the time you
will do the paladin stronghold without screwing it up. That is what I am
saying and it is good sound advice you moron.
>
>Cam
>
>
Henry Lockwood
> playing and am now in the Underdark!! How about a new question - do I get
> to a point where I can get back to the Windspear area to finish off the
foul
> beastie ?
Without spoilers, yes, you do. You will, after the Underdark, be able to
revisit all the areas you could visit before you went to rescue Immy.
Slyder
> So it appears that not only is it ok to Lord Jierdan's quest
> (that is, go to Windspear Hills) before going to the Order,
> but is the best way to get into the Order.
>
> MPrilla, I think you Kish and Slyder an apology. Not only was
> moron and liar way over the line, but they were correct and
> you were mistaken.
>
> Cam
Hey guys, solved it !! I'm afraid all the unexpected controversy was for
naught. The whole confusion was down to my observation shortfall. Jeroen
had it when he said talk to Prelate Wesselan. Although I'd been in every
room at the order, I hadn't noticed the guy in the strange orange armour in
the top left room!! I thought he was part of the desk ^~^
Had a quick chat with him and was sent to the guy in the centre of the area.
He said that the room behind him was for my use to stow stuff and basically
welcome aboard.
Just to recap the facts though, as there was some disagreement:
I HAD cleared all the windspear except Firkraag, although I had spoken to
him en-route to rescuing Mr Windspears delightful daughter.
The people at the order I had spoken to HAD NOT mentioned the Windspear
area, or any one/thing called Firkraag.
Prelate Wesselan sent me to the guy who gave me my accommodation on the
strength of Mr Windspears recommendation and NOT as a reward for any action
undertaken directly for the order.
I hope that clears up the mystery a bit, and I must apologise for causing
such a disturbance with my question.
The ironic thing is that now I have my 'stronghold' I can't work out which
damned room is supposed to be mine !!! There's not exactly an over
abundance of storage in the whole building. A Paladins life is obviously
one of simple pleasures with a very small amount of personal belongings :¬)
Slyder
MPrilla
Ah without the unoffical patch from baldurdash none of the rooms are really
yours because you can't rest in them anyway. baldurdash has a fix for this
though.
Did you do any of the quests or all of them?
Slyder
"Henry Lockwood" <hn...@cam.NOSPAM.ac.uk> wrote in message
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That's fantastic news. I can continue on now because while I've been trying
to figure out the stronghold thing in my head I'm now at Chapter 5! Also,
my dragon fighting gear is stashed in Waukeens Prom. Now I can relax and
tie up loose ends later. The 'old' save game that I used to solve the
stronghold thing (as mentioned in my previous post) can now be consigned to
the scrapheap.
Thanks Henry & all
Slyder
Slyder
I think I did all the paladin type stuff, but when matey gave me my sparse
room he started talking about me going to help in the Umar Hills. There's
some knights to be rescued apparently.
The journal calls it 'stronghold test 1' or similar.
As mentioned in another post I shall continue on as I'm in chapter 5 now and
come back to this again, while deleting the old save I used to check this.
The title of the quest gives the impression that the room is not yet mine,
although he told me to stow my belongings. He'll be asking for rent next !!
Still, it will be mine when I manage to get out of my current predicament.
So will that sword !!
Slyder
MPrilla
>room he started talking about me going to help in the Umar Hills. There's
>some knights to be rescued apparently.
Yea and guess what you have to go there as soon as he tells you to I mean right
away without resting or stoping or they will be killed and you will fail and
you will never get your stronghold. I mean it this is time is of the essence
time right there big time. any delay and your shit out of luck.
>
>The journal calls it 'stronghold test 1' or similar.
>
>As mentioned in another post I shall continue on as I'm in chapter 5 now and
>come back to this again, while deleting the old save I used to check this.
>The title of the quest gives the impression that the room is not yet mine,
>although he told me to stow my belongings. He'll be asking for rent next !!
>
>Still, it will be mine when I manage to get out of my current predicament.
>So will that sword !!
>
>Slyder
Yea well if you didn't go right to rescue those knights its all over for you.
You won't get your stronghold. Time is of the essence with that one.
Kish
> I SAID DON'T GO TO WINDSPEAR UNTIL THE ORDER ASKS YOU TO AND I STAND BY IT.
> THAT GUARANTEES YOU WON'T MESS IT UP.
Presuming that never getting to do the quest counts as "not messing it up."
Because the Order will never ask you to go to Windspear if you haven't
already been there.
Kish
>
> Killing Firkraag does ruin the paladin stronghold,
Not that either.
Killing Firkraag means only that you won't be sent to kill Firkraag by
the Prelate. Instead, protecting the girl is the final Paladin
Stronghold quest. You lose some quest XP, but get to say you destroyed
Firkraag and protected Garren and his child from him earlier and without
prompting--an equitable trade in my eyes.
Slyder
MPrilla
>
>Because the Order will never ask you to go to Windspear if you haven't
>already been there.
Says who? MORON.
the order asks you to go there last you don't have to have ever been there if
you do the other quests they ask you in order they will ask you weather you
were there or not.
And even if your right and your not all you need to is go there and talk to
windspear and do nothing else anyway.
You MORON.
Jonathan Ellis
"Slyder" <slyder5...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Kish" <Kis...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:WZ3da.2057$cw7.19...@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> > Slyder wrote:
> >
> > > Although (he says, clutching at straws):
> >
> >
> > EVERYTHING. I mean it.
> >
> > You do not have to talk to anyone at the Order before you talk to
Lord
> > Jierdan, or before you go to the Windspear Hills.
> >
>
on
> playing and am now in the Underdark!! How about a new question - do
I get
> to a point where I can get back to the Windspear area to finish off
the foul
> beastie ?
Yes, you do get back there, in chapter 6.
Oh, by the way - If you're playing a male character, it's Garren's
daughter you save. If a female character, it's his son. Which goes to
show that MPrilla "It's his son, not his daughter" has never played a
male character through BG2 and paid attention to what was going on...
and also that he has never looked in the bit of scripts that would
clearly show that this is what should happen. As other people have
advised you: KILLFILE MPRILLA, his advice is useless
Jonathan.
Darren Moth
"MPrilla" <mpr...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030316185028...@mb-fi.aol.com...
> >Yes, you do get back there, in chapter 6.
> >
> >Oh, by the way - If you're playing a male character, it's Garren's
> >daughter you save. If a female character, it's his son. Which goes to
> >show that MPrilla "It's his son, not his daughter" has never played a
> >male character through BG2 and paid attention to what was going on...
>
>
> I PLAY FEMALES BECAUSE I WOULD RATHER LOOK AT A FEMALE PIC. YOU PLAY
MALES
> BECAUSE YOU ARE GAY AND WANT TO LOOK AT MEN.
>
>
> >and also that he has never looked in the bit of scripts that would
> >clearly show that this is what should happen. As other people have
> >advised you: KILLFILE MPRILLA, his advice is useless
>
> YOUR USELESS AND NOW EVERYONE KNOWS YOUR GAY TOO.
>
> MORON. WHAT DO YOU SIT THERE AND LOOK AT EVERY SCRIPT IN THE GAME AND YET
YOU
> STILL DON'T HAVE A CLUE. WHAT A GIT.
> >
> >Jonathan.
> >
>
MPrilla
>you.
>> You won't get your stronghold. Time is of the essence with that one.
>
>DOH !!! :¬(
>
>Slyder
>
DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE ASSHOLES MORE CONCERNED WITH INSULTING ME THAN
HELPING YOU AND THEM GIVING YOU ALL SORTS OF IDIOT ADVICE YOU HAVE FOUND THE
PROBLEM AND I WAS RIGHT ALL ALL ALONG YOU MESSED UP YOUR STRONGHOLD BIG TIME.
THE ONLY WAY FOR YOU TO GET IT NOW IS TO START FROM THE POINT WHERE THEY TELL
YOU TO GO RESCUE THOSE KNIGHTS AND DO SO AT WARP SPEED. THAT IS A FACT AND NO
ONE HERE UNLESS THEY ARE A COMPLETE DICK HEAD WILL TELL YOU OTHERWISE.
MPrilla
>
>Killing Firkraag means only that you won't be sent to kill Firkraag by
>the Prelate. Instead, protecting the girl is the final Paladin
>Stronghold quest. You lose some quest XP, but get to say you destroyed
>Firkraag and protected Garren and his child from him earlier and without
>prompting--an equitable trade in my eyes.
>
>
LISTEN YOU MORONIC GIT. IF YOU RESCUE THE GIRL OR KILL THE DRAGON EITHER ONE
YOU BLOW THE STRONGHOLD QUEST IF YOU ARE A PALADIN YOU ASSHOLE.
YOU MUST BE TOLD TO DO THAT BY THE ORDER NOT BY WINDSPEAR OK NOW SHUT THE HELL
UP MORON
Jonathan Ellis
"Darren Moth" <darre...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> such a happy chap
Reported once again to aol.com, in the hope that they will finally
take action now he's using the tactics of known trolls, flamers and
losers, i.e. posting in all-caps. Maybe *that* will alert them to the
fact that this person is abusing their terms of service.
Jonathan.
Darren Moth
> >Reported once again to aol.com, in the hope that they will finally
> >take action now he's using the tactics of known trolls, flamers and
> >losers, i.e. posting in all-caps. Maybe *that* will alert them to the
> >fact that this person is abusing their terms of service.
> >
> >Jonathan.
> >
>
Have I been reported?? Cool :)
Darren Moth
> >Have I been reported?? Cool :)
> >
> >
>
So why don't you take up my offer and visit the chatroom Mprilla?
Cam
liszt.freeserve.co.uk says...
30 days for violating TOS. Now he's doing same thing in just a couple of
days. Remember that post last week about what a good group this was? :-)
Cam
Stephen Mackey
>Reported once again to aol.com, in the hope that they will finally
>take action now he's using the tactics of known trolls, flamers and
>losers, i.e. posting in all-caps. Maybe *that* will alert them to the
>fact that this person is abusing their terms of service.
Don't hold your breath, Jonycakes. ^_~
--
Signing off as Stephen Mackey, the Multi-Threaded RFE Database Liaison.
"There is no sig. There is only Zuul."
Troll
> you fuck karkadinn the first person to insult me from here and the one who
> brought me here. Everyone you have karkadinn to thank for me being here and me
> being pissed it is all his fucking fault blame him he fucked up your group.
So you're admitting that your behaviour has "fucked up" the group? Then
why don't you stop?
HomerJ
And you typing in caps makes things clearer how exactly?
read up on your nettiquette
love 'n' stuff
HomerJ
HomerJ
>>
>>Don't hold your breath, Jonycakes. ^_~
>>
>
>you fuck karkadinn the first person to insult me from here and the one who
>brought me here. Everyone you have karkadinn to thank for me being here and me
>being pissed it is all his fucking fault blame him he fucked up your group.
Nope, you have. Period.
(hmmm have i used too many full stops do you recon? ;) )
stuff
HomerJ
Stephen Mackey
Because he is who he is.
::sigh::
Father, forgive me, for I have sinned....
sqweek
> >> > That may help however it is his son not his daughter.
> >
> >This is inaccurate. If your PC is male, Garren's child is female; if your
> >PC is female, Garren's child is male.
>
> Whatever you gay guys who play males because you want to look at the male pics
> all day get female children to rescue then. Us strait normal people who would
> rather look at a nice pic of a pretty girl like buffy we downloaded get a male
> child to rescue. Its not my fault that your gay.
Yer I'm with MPrilla on this.
I'd much rather play a female character so I can romance Anomen, unlike
all you gay boys romancing Jaheira.. err... wait a sec. ;p
MPrilla
>
>(hmmm have i used too many full stops do you recon? ;) )
>
>
>stuff
>
>
>HomerJ
>
SO YOU HAVE YOUR PERIOD IS THAT YOUR PROBLEM TAKE A MIDOL.
Troll
>>Yer I'm with MPrilla on this.
>>I'd much rather play a female character so I can romance Anomen, unlike
>>all you gay boys romancing Jaheira.. err... wait a sec. ;p
>>
>
>
> solo like a man or with an all created party I make like a smart player.
>
> I have used the whiny bitch useless NPC's but I perfer to not use them. In
> fact I like to kill them and take their stuff. Anyone who has played the game
> over and over again gets tired of their shit reall fast and does this. Once or
> twice through with those assholes is enough you cock sucker.
Well argued! Have you thought about coaching a debate team, so that you
can pass on your skills to others?
MPrilla
>can pass on your skills to others?
>
Have you thought of sticking your head in a gas oven with the gas on but not
lit? Think about it that would be the best thing you can ever do for the human
race.
Troll
my window!
HomerJ
Erm, if anyone is showing symptoms of pms it's you. The angst, the
anger for no reason, the constant shouting....
Try a lie down in a dark room for a few years.
HomerJ
HomerJ
>>And you typing in caps makes things clearer how exactly?
>>
>>read up on your nettiquette
>>
>>love 'n' stuff
>>
>>HomerJ
>
>YOU READ UP ON NETTIQUETTE ASSHOLE YOU BEEN INSULTING ME FOR A LONG FUCKING
>TIME DICK HEAD. I HAVE SOME FROMUNDA CHEASE FOR YOU.
I have, please enlighten me as to when i was dissin' u so much before.
This must be the thrid or fourth time i've asked you to provide proof
and you never have so far...
Fromunda Chease?
wtf?
HomerJ
Cypher
"HomerJ" <eisc...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:21sd7voc4jntb05e6...@4ax.com...
Just... just let it go man. You aren't gonna get anything out of Mikey.
He's too far gone.
HomerJ
wrote:
I'll try ;) but really, whats this formunda chease thing he's on
about? lol
HomerJ
Enkidu
> I'll try ;) but really, whats this formunda chease thing he's on
> about? lol
>
> HomerJ
Luckily, I took insane gibberish in high school. I believe he is
referring to "From-Under Cheese." It's the male genitals' answer to
toe jam.
Are you sorry you asked?
E
HomerJ
Warren
> Damn, MPrilla, we've missed you ;)
Like a hole in the head. :-\
Warren
> And lo and behold, Firkragg was holding onto Carsomyr. A +5 Lawful Good
> Two-Hnaded Sword that just kicks major ass. 50% Magic resitance and a +5
> against evil. Not to mention Dispel Magic 3 times daily. Frees up a few
> spell slots for my wizard/clerics. They don't have to have so many memorized
> now.
The only thing that dimmed my Paladin's enthusiasm was that he's the
sterotypical long sword/shield-wielding type. With 2 stars in Long
Swords, Flails, and Sword & Shield style, it wasn't a perfect match.
Didn't complain too much though ... just started putting points into
2-Handed Swords and 2-Handed Weapons style. :)
My IWD paladin was much happier, but it's all good. :)
Warren
MPrilla
>This must be the thrid or fourth time i've asked you to provide proof
>and you never have so far...
READ THE PAST POSTS FROM A MONTH AGO YOU FUCK HEAD.
EVERYONE KNOWS AND CAN SEE YOU DID IT.
>
>Fromunda Chease?
YEA FROM UNDER HERE THINK ABOUT IT MORON.
>
>wtf?
>
>HomerJ
MPrilla
>about? lol
>
>HomerJ
GOOD GOD YOU ARE SLOW. FROM UNDER HERE DUMB ASS. YOU CAN'T EVEN THINK CAN
YOU? WHAT A GIT. I MEAN REALLY ARE YOU SO DISABLED THAT NO ONE EVER INSULTED
YOU IN PERSON LIKE THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU OBVIOUSLY DESERVED IT? YOU MUST RIDE
THE LITTLE BUS TO SCHOOL.
MPrilla
>
>HomerJ
MORON EVERYONE IS LAUGHING AT YOU FOR NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT ONE.
MPrilla
YES WE ALL CAN TELL EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS INSANE GIBBERISH.
MPrilla
>anger for no reason, the constant shouting....
>
>Try a lie down in a dark room for a few years.
>
>
>HomerJ
>
>
TRY THIS TAKE A PAIR OF SCISSORS AND CUT YOUR OWN DICK AND BALLS OFF THEN COOK
THEM UP AND EAT THEM. LEAVE THIS GROUP FOREVER AND SHUT THE FUCK UP.
MPrilla
>not
>> lit? Think about it that would be the best thing you can ever do for the
>human
>> race.
>How do you know I have a gas oven? I told you to please stop peeping in
>my window!
>
>
MORON I SAID A GAS OVEN I DIDNOT SAY YOU HAD ONE YOU CAN BORROW ONE I AM SURE
EVERYONE WHO KNOWS YOU WILL LET YOU USE THEIRS IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE ONE BEING
THAT NO ONE THAT COULD POSSIBLY HAVE EVER MET YOU COULD POSSIBLY WANT YOU TO
LIVE ONE MORE SECOND ON THIS EARTH BEING THAT YOU ARE THE BIGGEST DUCH BAG IN
THE UNIVERSE.
MPrilla
HERE IS A THOUGHT GET A GUN LOAD IT STICK IT IN YOUR MOUTH LIKE YOU DO WITH
DICKS ALL THE TIME AND PULL THE TRIGGER. SO WE DONT' EVER HAVE TO HEAR YOUR
SHIT AGAIN.
HomerJ
Perhaps i've found your only redeeming feature....
You're predictable as hell.
hail, hail
HomerJ
HomerJ
Yer a glaikit wee numptie, ya gallus jobbie ye
And I'm sure you know what that means seeing as you are obviously
omniscient
HomerJ
HomerJ
oooh, feel the ill will flowing
can you, can you? ;)
HomerJ
HomerJ
>>
>>Just... just let it go man. You aren't gonna get anything out of Mikey.
>>He's too far gone.
>
>YOU DID IT TOO A MONTH AGO EVERYONE CAN SEE IT SO QUIT LYING AND SHUT THE FUCK
>UP.
*sigh*
really?
not me.
I'd say please provide the proof but its just all in yur head mate
HomerJ
HomerJ
>>I have, please enlighten me as to when i was dissin' u so much before.
>>This must be the thrid or fourth time i've asked you to provide proof
>>and you never have so far...
>
>READ THE PAST POSTS FROM A MONTH AGO YOU FUCK HEAD.
>
please feel free to repost any quote from me insulting you LAST month
>EVERYONE KNOWS AND CAN SEE YOU DID IT.
everyone?
just how many folk have said, "yeah MPrilla is right, you diss'ed him
last month"?
how many?
hmmm none....
don't tell me MPrilla could possibly be wrong!
*shock* *horror*
sorry just can't resist winding this "person" up
HomerJ
Troll
<blushes>Maybe you should wash more thoroughly, then you won't have
these hygiene problems with things *down there*.</blushes>
J.C. Bengtson
> READ THE PAST POSTS FROM A MONTH AGO YOU FUCK HEAD.
>
> EVERYONE KNOWS AND CAN SEE YOU DID IT.
I was beginning to wonder where they got the people to go on shows like
Jerry Springer came from. Now I know where.. from the shallow end of the
gene pool that MPrilla was hatched in.
--
J.C. Bengtson - "Makoru"
* http://home.ptd.net/~golbez
* http://sailorscout.redversusblue.com
HomerJ
wrote:
>MPrilla wrote:
>> READ THE PAST POSTS FROM A MONTH AGO YOU FUCK HEAD.
>>
>> EVERYONE KNOWS AND CAN SEE YOU DID IT.
>
>I was beginning to wonder where they got the people to go on shows like
>Jerry Springer came from. Now I know where.. from the shallow end of the
>gene pool that MPrilla was hatched in.
Do you think they had some sort of "get all the trailer parks online"
initiative in the US recently? ;)
HomerJ
MPrilla
Why do you forget what you say and how you insult someone? Do you do that much
weed that your brain is that fried. Look it up yourself you asshole.
>
>>EVERYONE KNOWS AND CAN SEE YOU DID IT.
>
>everyone?
Yes everyone asshole.
>
>just how many folk have said, "yeah MPrilla is right, you diss'ed him
>last month"?
A lot are saying it now and know it.
>
>how many?
More than you can count using your fingers and toes moron.
>
>hmmm none....
>
>don't tell me MPrilla could possibly be wrong!
>
>*shock* *horror*
Asshole liar faggot.
>
>sorry just can't resist winding this "person" up
Why don't you wind up your dick and stick it in your own ass.
MPrilla
>these hygiene problems with things *down there*.</blushes>
>
>
Why don't you come over hear and wash it for me with your tongue you know you
want to you faggot.