IceWind Dale= Cheap money making gimmick
Chief
http://www.ga-rpg.com/screenshot.cfm?img=http://www.ga-rpg.com/exclusives/ic
ewind/ice1.jpg
Oh no wait...its just IceWind Dale
Look folks, save your cash. Icewind Dale is nothing but a clone of Baldur's
gate in a dungeon. PLEASE. If you want a Baldur's Gate expansion pack play
Tales of the Sword Coast and do yourself a favor and not pick up this lame
rehash of a game.
Christ, they couldnt even change the damn interface. At least lube us before
you bend us over Interplay.
Thanks
Brian H.
1. Its story is new
2. Its graphics is new
3. Its monsters are new
4. Its special items are new
5. Its mundane items are old
6. Its magic effects are new
7. Its user interface looks a like but with new graphics, half-new-half-old.
8. Its avatars are old.
9. Don't know about its music & cutscenes. I expect they are new.
So IWD looks like BG but it does involve lots of work. They save their time
to create a new game engine but they spent much time on artwork. I think
it's quite unfair to them so early to disregard everything they've done.
Chief <Ch...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Oystein Tvedten
> Oh no wait...its just IceWind Dale
>
> Look folks, save your cash. Icewind Dale is nothing but a clone of Baldur's
> gate in a dungeon. PLEASE. If you want a Baldur's Gate expansion pack play
> Tales of the Sword Coast and do yourself a favor and not pick up this lame
> rehash of a game.
>
> Christ, they couldnt even change the damn interface. At least lube us before
> you bend us over Interplay.
>
Why change things which works well? They've never hidden the fact that
Icewind Dale uses the Baldur's Gate engine or anything. Should I have
not have bought Planescape Torment because it used the BG engine as
well, and thus missed the best RPG of 1999? I know what I am getting
in Icewind Dale, I am getting a good dungeon crawl, like the ones I
loved to play during the late 1980s with the SSI Gold Box games, and
my AD&D group. Back to basics, no big plotline which means each time
your main character dies you need to reload a save gamed. Only time in
icewind I will reload is probably if my entire party gets wiped out.
Oystein
--
Roy Batty: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships
on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the
dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time,
like tears in rain. Time to die.
Atlus Seven
"look! It's doom. No....it's Quake. No wait.....that's Half Life.
Naw....that's Unreal. Hold up.....that's Theif. No no no.....that's Duke
Nukem. Ney, it's Wolfenstien."
You know, what you said about IWD was a bit premature. I mean, the game's not
even out yet and neither you or anyone here has had the chance to play it.
Although the interface is the same, the main elements are different, which
Brian H pointed out nicely for us. Did you post something similar when PS:T
came out? Or what about when the above mentioned FPS games came out? Or maybe
when TR came out and when the countless clones came afterwards?
Every successful game is bound to have spinoffs that utilize either the same
engine or something similar in nature. Moreso in the PC game realm than
consoles. This is due to the smaller PC game market in which developers either
don't want to take a chance on something new, or don't have the capitol to fund
such a project. In some cases, this can be a bad thing. Too much crap floods
the market claiming to be above and beyond the last. But in some cases, like
the case with BG and IWD, etc., it can be good. Since these games are from the
same company, we can expect the same great gameplay and fulfilment from them.
Personally, i'm excited about IWD. I loved BG to death and i'm yearning for
more.....but in a different setting. I don't care if the gameplay is
identical, I just would like to experience Bio's Infinity engine masterpiece in
a whole new atmosphere. Before we decide to rip into IWD, let's at least wait
for it to hit store shelves and give the game a good once-through. Then all
critizisms will be warranted.
>Look! Its Baldur's gate!!
>
>http://www.ga-rpg.com/screenshot.cfm?img=http://www.ga-rpg.com/exclusives/ic
>ewind/ice1.jpg
>
>Oh no wait...its just IceWind Dale
>
>Look folks, save your cash. Icewind Dale is nothing but a clone of Baldur's
>gate in a dungeon. PLEASE. If you want a Baldur's Gate expansion pack play
>Tales of the Sword Coast and do yourself a favor and not pick up this lame
>rehash of a game.
>
>Christ, they couldnt even change the damn interface. At least lube us before
>you bend us over Interplay.
Smooth like Reggie Miller in an airborne freeze-frame......
....Funky like the Kung-Fu that can put you to shame. =D
Tomi Juutilainen
I agree with you Oystein.
Interplay informs on their website that Icewind Dale is going to be
more of a hack and slash type dungeon crawl. I in my opinion this game
is aimed at all computer RPG fans that really enjoyed playing BG and
just can't wait to get their hands on BG2...a little something to keep
people busy while waiting for BG2 to hit the stores.
It's not a rip off or cheap trick from Interplay to earn easy money.
They have put hours and hours of time and plenty of resources into making
it while knowing that it will never sell like BG.
Just my two cents.
-- Tomi
Zerth
just a rehash of Baldur's Gate. It's not like they claimed it was a completely
new game with a new engine. In fact, the designers have repeatedly stated (over
and over and over) that this game is just meant to keep AD&D fans satisfied
before Baldur's Gate II comes along. They were very honest & forthcoming about
it.
Besides, this game came from Black Isle. The same people that gave us Fallout,
Fallout 2, Baldur's Gate, and Planescape Torment. That's 4 legendary RPGs in 4
attempts. Most game companies don't make *that* many good RPGs in a lifetime...
and they usually spew out a bunch of crap for every one decent game. So I think
I'll take my chances on Black Isle's 5th attempt. My money's (all $49.99 of it)
on Black Isle making it 5 out of 5.
Chief wrote:
> Look! Its Baldur's gate!!
>
> http://www.ga-rpg.com/screenshot.cfm?img=http://www.ga-rpg.com/exclusives/ic
> ewind/ice1.jpg
>
> Oh no wait...its just IceWind Dale
>
> Look folks, save your cash. Icewind Dale is nothing but a clone of Baldur's
> gate in a dungeon. PLEASE. If you want a Baldur's Gate expansion pack play
> Tales of the Sword Coast and do yourself a favor and not pick up this lame
> rehash of a game.
>
> Christ, they couldnt even change the damn interface. At least lube us before
> you bend us over Interplay.
>
> Thanks
Atlus Seven
>on Black Isle making it 5 out of 5.
Don't forget tax. =D
Ziroc
Chief wrote in message ...
BH News
clunky in a MP environment. My understanding is they reengineered parts of
the mp gameplay engine.
BH
Hong Ooi
>
>Look folks, save your cash. Icewind Dale is nothing but a clone of Baldur's
mother-in-law wearing a corset and fishnet stockings cackling next to a
>gate in a dungeon. PLEASE. If you want a Baldur's Gate expansion pack play
with yourself like I do, when I get bored of trolling newsgroups. Go get
>Tales of the Sword Coast and do yourself a favor and not pick up this lame
flamebait post of mine, you don't know where it's been! I like my little
>rehash of a game.
Silly though it is.
>
>Christ, they couldnt even change the damn interface. At least lube us before
>you bend us over Interplay.
After you bend us over Interplay, you'll want to roll over Beethoven!
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hong...@maths.anu.edu.au | way because of my astronomical native
http://www.zip.com.au/~hong | intelligence."
Sydney, Australia | -- CMB
Ziroc
and anything else.. just another troll.. :-)
--
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Oystein Tvedten wrote in message ...
>* Ch...@hotmail.com
>
>> Oh no wait...its just IceWind Dale
>>
>> Look folks, save your cash. Icewind Dale is nothing but a clone of
Baldur's
>> gate in a dungeon. PLEASE. If you want a Baldur's Gate expansion pack
play
>> Tales of the Sword Coast and do yourself a favor and not pick up this
lame
>> rehash of a game.
>>
>> Christ, they couldnt even change the damn interface. At least lube us
before
>> you bend us over Interplay.
>>
>
rco...@servicesoft.com
Gate environment. Less story more action. Ok I'm informed now to make
a reasonable buying decision. I'll probably get it. It looks like it
should be a nice fun game. For those looking for something else, don't
spend your money. It doesn't seem like a cheap conspiracy to me...
In article <3959D1FF...@clinet.fi>,
Tomi Juutilainen <to...@clinet.fi> wrote:
>
> I agree with you Oystein.
>
> Interplay informs on their website that Icewind Dale is going to be
> more of a hack and slash type dungeon crawl. I in my opinion this game
> is aimed at all computer RPG fans that really enjoyed playing BG and
> just can't wait to get their hands on BG2...a little something to keep
> people busy while waiting for BG2 to hit the stores.
>
> It's not a rip off or cheap trick from Interplay to earn easy money.
> They have put hours and hours of time and plenty of resources into
making
> it while knowing that it will never sell like BG.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> -- Tomi
>
> > Why change things which works well? They've never hidden the fact
that
> > Icewind Dale uses the Baldur's Gate engine or anything. Should I
have
> > not have bought Planescape Torment because it used the BG engine as
> > well, and thus missed the best RPG of 1999? I know what I am getting
> > in Icewind Dale, I am getting a good dungeon crawl, like the ones I
> > loved to play during the late 1980s with the SSI Gold Box games, and
> > my AD&D group. Back to basics, no big plotline which means each time
> > your main character dies you need to reload a save gamed. Only time
in
> > icewind I will reload is probably if my entire party gets wiped out.
> >
> > Oystein
> > --
> > Roy Batty: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack
ships
> > on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in
the
> > dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in
time,
> > like tears in rain. Time to die.
>
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Before you buy.
Limekiller
> Look folks, save your cash. Icewind Dale is nothing but a clone of
Baldur's
> gate in a dungeon.
Why is that a bad thing again? That's exactly what I'm looking forward to
buying. It will keep me busy until BG2 comes out. I'm failing to see the
problem here.
Regards,
Limekiller
Fred Q
FQ
"Chief" <Ch...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sljf4s2...@corp.supernews.com...
> Look! Its Baldur's gate!!
>
>
http://www.ga-rpg.com/screenshot.cfm?img=http://www.ga-rpg.com/exclusives/ic
> ewind/ice1.jpg
>
> Oh no wait...its just IceWind Dale
>
> Look folks, save your cash. Icewind Dale is nothing but a clone of
Baldur's
> gate in a dungeon. PLEASE. If you want a Baldur's Gate expansion pack play
> Tales of the Sword Coast and do yourself a favor and not pick up this lame
> rehash of a game.
>
> Christ, they couldnt even change the damn interface. At least lube us
before
> you bend us over Interplay.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
Jobu
rehashes of A New Hope.
Get your facts chief.
Fred Q
Fallout,
> Fallout 2, Baldur's Gate, and Planescape Torment. That's 4 legendary RPGs
in 4
> attempts. Most game companies don't make *that* many good RPGs in a
>lifetime...
Another thing is that these great games were produced in the last 3 years.
Most of the CRPGs that are considered classics were produced in the early
90s or even earlier.. Not even Origin has been able to chrurn out a good rpg
in years.
FQ
sbe...@dowco.com
industry and the number of companies that have gone under lately, if
Interplay/Black Isle can find ways to produce games in a 12-15 month
production schedule (which they did with Icewind and Fallout 2), more
power to them. It's what they need to do to survive as a company.
And, given the loads of new artwork, new monsters, additional levels and
new spells, calling it "cheap" is both insulting and unwarranted. It
takes a lot of effort to make that many additions, and I'm sure the ID
team has worked damned hard.
A party-based dungeon crawl should provide substantially different
gameplay from either of ID's predecessors. Black Isle and Bioware have
managed to produce three very different games in BG, PS:T and ID. More
so than SSI did when they did when they the Gold Box series, and more so
than NWC has with recent Might and Magic games. Let's wait to see how
good or bad the actual gameplay is before you slam it.
Scott Bennie
(a former Interplay employee, so you know I'm not unbiased here)
Jasa
>Look! Its Baldur's gate!!
>
>http://www.ga-rpg.com/screenshot.cfm?img=http://www.ga-rpg.com/exclusives/ic
>ewind/ice1.jpg
>
>Oh no wait...its just IceWind Dale
>
>Look folks, save your cash. Icewind Dale is nothing but a clone of Baldur's
>gate in a dungeon. PLEASE. If you want a Baldur's Gate expansion pack play
>Tales of the Sword Coast and do yourself a favor and not pick up this lame
>rehash of a game.
>
>Christ, they couldnt even change the damn interface. At least lube us before
>you bend us over Interplay.
>
>Thanks
Don't buy it then. No offense intended, just logic.
- Jasa
lw...@abs.net
Betelgeuse
can you judge a game based on screenshots alone?
Betelgeuse,
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"Chief" <Ch...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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ace
> on Black Isle making it 5 out of 5.
What country are you in that you get it for that price? It'll be over $100
in New Zealand...sighs adn reaches for visa card!
Stella
The All Powerful and All Knowing Oz!
Zerth <ze...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3959D455...@yahoo.com...
>
> Besides, this game came from Black Isle. The same people that gave us
Fallout,
> Fallout 2, Baldur's Gate, and Planescape Torment. That's 4 legendary RPGs
in 4
> attempts. Most game companies don't make *that* many good RPGs in a
lifetime...
think
of it)
> on Black Isle making it 5 out of 5.
Correction, Black Isle made Fallouts 1 and 2 and Planescape. Bioware made
Baldur's Gate. Frankly, I don't think Icewind Dale will achieve legendary
RPG status, because the first three games Black Isle made were pretty deep
games, where your actions actually counted. IWD seems like a pretty shallow
game to me. Nothing wrong with that, but most "legendary" games have more
substance to them.
Boston Dave
>My money's (all $49.99 of it)
>> on Black Isle making it 5 out of 5.
>
well if you do a price matching at EB you can get the game for about $30...
Best Buy has IWD for 40.00 this week and EB has a mailin rebate.
Keith Stropus
least changed the character graphics. I was waiting to see something new
there, but they are the exact same character graphics from BG.
But thats no real problem... I'm still gonna buy it first chance I get.
-Keith Stropus
Chief wrote in message ...
rco...@servicesoft.com
how changing the character graphics on the screen might be altering the
game engine too much.
Still I think Interplay's gambit may have worked. I was picking up my
pre-ordered copy of Diablo II and saw Icewind Dale as well, so on an
impulse I bought that too!!!
I would think that if I couldn't get a copy of D2, I would certainly
get IWD instead!
In article <IxM65.15965$NP5.3...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
ChrSan24
>What's an EB, and which country are you in? If its the US then I have to
>double the price just to allow for the exchange rate, then add shipping and
>tax. That means games in NZ cost from $90 - $110. A pity because there are a
>lot of good games out there I would love to get, but can't afford.
>
>Stella
sucks for you....move to a real country
rco...@servicesoft.com
of money to pay!!
In article <20000629161151...@ng-fz1.aol.com>,
Gimble
news:20000629161151...@ng-fz1.aol.com...
<snip>
> sucks for you....
<snip remainder of sentence>
Ummm.... are you trolling? He was asking a simple question, not asking you
to disparage his country or place or residence. Neither had he belittled
our own fine nation.
(And yes, I do live in the US).
ace
double the price just to allow for the exchange rate, then add shipping and
tax. That means games in NZ cost from $90 - $110. A pity because there are a
lot of good games out there I would love to get, but can't afford.
Stella
Boston Dave <no...@home.com> wrote in message
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Mådńźs§
: > My money's (all $49.99 of it)
: > on Black Isle making it 5 out of 5.
: What country are you in that you get it for that price? It'll be over $100
: in New Zealand...sighs adn reaches for visa card!
:
: Stella
Alas, not all money is created equal!.. :( Mayhaps you've heard of
international currency conversion?? Currently US$1 = NZ$0.48 currency.
Assumin' we're talkin' US v NZ dollars and I am... So US$49.99 @ .48 = NZ$104 +
shipping costs NZ$10? = NZ$114. I think you must know this already? Wouldn't
go for that credit card just yet, by high time it gets here it'll be here and
likely cheaper, infact gz reckon next week at $99.95 pre-ordered.
Well excuse, I must watch the Warriors loose another game.. Ahhhh.
~ M ł
"I'm so cheap I always wash my paper plates"
rco...@servicesoft.com
very nice to see another usage of the baldurs gate engine. The
graphics are SO much better than Diablo's. I didn't have time to play
too much, although I suspect I know what to expect... *grin* That's
good BTW
It will be interesting to see where I spend more of my time. Icewind
Dale or Diablo2. I'm not specifically knocking Diablo2, but we shall
see what happens.
In article <sljf4s2...@corp.supernews.com>,
"Chief" <Ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Look! Its Baldur's gate!!
>
> http://www.ga-rpg.com/screenshot.cfm?img=http://www.ga-
rpg.com/exclusives/ic
> ewind/ice1.jpg
>
> Oh no wait...its just IceWind Dale
>
> Look folks, save your cash. Icewind Dale is nothing but a clone of
Baldur's
> gate in a dungeon. PLEASE. If you want a Baldur's Gate expansion pack
play
> Tales of the Sword Coast and do yourself a favor and not pick up this
lame
> rehash of a game.
>
> Christ, they couldnt even change the damn interface. At least lube us
before
> you bend us over Interplay.
>
> Thanks
>
>
kjhNO...@tsoft.net
> Oh no wait...its just IceWind Dale
> Look folks, save your cash. Icewind Dale is nothing but a clone of Baldur's
> gate in a dungeon. PLEASE. If you want a Baldur's Gate expansion pack play
> Tales of the Sword Coast and do yourself a favor and not pick up this lame
> rehash of a game.
> Christ, they couldnt even change the damn interface. At least lube us before
> you bend us over Interplay.
Yeah, tell me about it. It reminds me of those cheap gimmicks TSR used to
do. Like, I bought that Hill Giant module, G1? And then they released
another module (G2) and it was just giants again. I nearly gave up but I
tried G3 and you know what? More giants! I mean, they didn't even change
the game rules or the interface or anything. But people must have fallen
for it, because for years they kept releasing module after module with the
same rules, the same character classes and races, same boring graph paper
maps, same dice, nothing at all different except the module contents.
What a crock! Boy am I glad I put all that crap behind me and entrusted
my life to Jebus.
--
KarlHiller [] Systems Librarian, INTP
reading: _Soldier of the Mist_, Gene Wolfe
listening to: Ween (White Pepper), Massive Attack (Mezzanine)
thinking about: What Would Jebus Do?
Colin E
I have to
> >double the price just to allow for the exchange rate, then add
shipping and
> >tax. That means games in NZ cost from $90 - $110. A pity
because there are a
> >lot of good games out there I would love to get, but can't
afford.
> >
> >Stella
>
What! One with hurricanes on one side and earthquakes on the
other - no chance :-)
--
Colin E.
AndrwHow
NottChet
>sucks for you....move to a real country
Thanks again for adding to the universal stigma of using AOL.
---
Freudmund
Purple
--
Purple
http://bounce.to/purple - go there. NOW.
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Incorrect Diablo guild
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
"NottChet" <nott...@aol.comSpamAway> wrote in message
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Atlus Seven
>
>Thanks again for adding to the universal stigma of using AOL.
My sentiments exactly. I get tired of being stereotyped as an imature dolt who
does nothing but spam, troll, and generally throw insults left and right at
people who don't deserve them. Yea....I use AOL, and personally I like AOL.
Sure, it sucks for online games, but I don't play online games. And another
thing I hate is when someone posts something unwarrented, and they happen to be
an AOL member, people respond with a bash against all AOL users. Gimme a
break. That's the equivilent of being a racist or stereotyping. So-and-so
said such-and-such, and their black, so all black people are morons. Different
matters, same logic. How come when someone from....oh...say MSN says something
insulting, people don't jump down their throats saying "all MSN users are
morons"? Give it a break people--the AOL bashing is getting old.
Smooth like Reggie Miller in an airborne freeze-frame......
....Funky like the Kung-Fu that can put you to shame. =D
Loketar
would have to say that the reason AOL bashing is popular is because (my
opinion/guess):
First off, their tends to be a high percentage of moronic and immature posts
from AOL users. Now, you would expect this really since AOL has allot more
users than any other ISP I'm sure. Still, it does give the appearance that
AOL users tend to be less intelligent. Not true I'm sure, more users is
bound to result in more idiotic ramblings, but face it, perception is
reality.
Secondly, think of most the "power" users you know. How many use AOL? Not a
high percentage. The perception (there's that word again) is that AOL is for
people who don't really know how to use computers. AOL is like an internet
babysitter for those who know no more about computers than to pull it out of
the box and set it up with only three hours of help from the companies
hotline. A real "power" user wouldn't be caught dead on AOL. Since this
perception exist, AOL users become convenient targets any time they do
something questionable.
In other words, the perception is that AOL is for those who can't manage to
get online through a real ISP. Therefore, they get bashed allot quicker than
anyone else. This, coupled with the higher NUMBER of idiotic ramblings from
AOL users, mean that AOL users tend to get a bad rep overall.
"Atlus Seven" <atlus...@aol.comspamaway> wrote in message
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Phil
Loketar <lok...@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
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Loketar? You're back! Nice to see you haven't abandoned us. Anyway,
getting back on topic, I don't actually know anyone on AOL (Atlus excepted
here), so I couldn't form opinions based on personal experience. I know
quite enough idiots using other ISP's already ;-). I guess it's bit like
making jokes about Irish people, in as much as a lot of the time the
stereotype is used because it just fits the point people want to make, but
there is always the risk that it will go too far. What we really need is
for another ISP to stand up and get a bad image world-wide to take the
spotlight away from AOL (ah, the pain of being too well known).
--
Phil
Remove 'your.inhibitions' to reply
(Sorry, anti-spam measure in operation)
Atlus Seven
>would have to say that the reason AOL bashing is popular is because (my
>opinion/guess):
>
>First off, their tends to be a high percentage of moronic and immature posts
>from AOL users. Now, you would expect this really since AOL has allot more
>users than any other ISP I'm sure. Still, it does give the appearance that
>AOL users tend to be less intelligent.
I'll grant you that. I mean, yea....sure...since AOL has the most members of
any ISP, the number of Internet Idiots is higher. But I still don't see that
as a reason to stereotype AOL users. I mean, hell....a lot of newsgroup
posters filter out AOL users because of this, or automatically disregard
anything an AOL user posts, or use it as a cheap shot against the AOL user in
debates. Granted, I've butted heads with some real dolts who happened to be
AOL users, but I give EVERYONE a fair chance....no matter what ISP they use.
And gimme a break. Why should your ISP of choice dictate what type of person
you are? This leads into another thing you posted--
>Secondly, think of most the "power" users you know. How many use AOL? Not a
>high percentage. The perception (there's that word again) is that AOL is for
>people who don't really know how to use computers. AOL is like an internet
>babysitter for those who know no more about computers than to pull it out of
>the box and set it up with only three hours of help from the companies
>hotline. A real "power" user wouldn't be caught dead on AOL. Since this
>perception exist, AOL users become convenient targets any time they do
>something questionable.
If by Power-User you mean someone who knows his/her stuff about computers,
well.....that's another stereotype that i'm getting sick of. Personally, I
percieve my self as somewhat of a Power-User (again, if that's what you ment)
and because I choose AOL as my ISP, it should have no bearing whatsoever on my
computer or internet knowledge. And perception is reality, correct? =D And
about your comment that AOL is for users that don't know how to use a "real"
ISP.....that's rediculous. All ISPs are basically the same--they all set up
the same, you double click the little icon, enter your password, and off you go
into wonderful internet land. A monkey with one arm and half a brain can do
that. Navigating the WWW is no brain buster either.
>In other words, the perception is that AOL is for those who can't manage to
>get online through a real ISP. Therefore, they get bashed allot quicker than
>anyone else. This, coupled with the higher NUMBER of idiotic ramblings from
>AOL users, mean that AOL users tend to get a bad rep overall.
Again, that may be the case (higher number of users=higher number of idiots),
but I feel it's unwarrented. I mean, when I go to web based message boards and
see in big bold red letters the notice "AOL users are banned from participating
on this board", or "Site not usable by AOL users", or crap like that, it
sickens me. Being of a minority race, I have to deal with this nonsense in
real life. I shouldn't have to deal with such idiocity online. Everywhere you
go, you're either banned or ridiculed. And all this is from the same people
who try to act holier-than-thou, saying racism and stereotyping are wrong, and
who jump down people's throats for making an innocent joke about someone's
gender, religion, creed, etc. Tell me--do you hate it when someone stereotypes
you as a nerd who never bathes, has acne all over his/her face, has little to
no friends, and keeps a pouch of dice in his pocket just because you play DnD?
You would if you didn't fit this stereotype. So why do it to anyone else,
regardless of what the issue in question is?
Forgive me if I went a tad overboard on this. I mean no disrespect whatsoever
to you. I respect your opinions and beliefs as much as any other person. I
just felt the need to vent a little steam. Like I said above, it seems like
everywhere I go online outside of AOL, i'm getting ridiculed for being an AOL
user. And no matter how much I try to demonstrate that I, personally, am not
the same AOL user that spams and trolls all over their "domain", I can never
seem to win any respect or acknowledgment from my online peers. I conduct
myself in a very mature manner, I don't take cheap shots or bash others, I post
intelligently, and I try to help out the best I can when I can. But again,
just because I use AOL people won't listen to what I post. Now, I haven't had
this problem whatsoever on this particular NG, but others that I frequent,
along with the MANY sites I go to, I get negative reactions from people or am
simply banned from their site.....because I use AOL. And I refuse to switch to
another ISP just because people can't get over their immaturity.
Anyways, I went overboard again. =D I tend to do that at times, but only when
the situation warrants it. Again, no disrespect whatsoever toward you. I just
had to throw in my 20$ worth. =D
Loketar
was always speaking from that "perspective" viewpoint, nothing more, nothing
less. After reading my post, I didn't make that abundantly clear in all
places, when really I meant too. I was just to lazy to type everything as
clearly as I should of. All in all, I know many AOL users and don't think of
them as any better or any worse than anyone else. In other words, I'm not
one of those that stereotypes AOL users. I do tend to think of them as
someone that pays to much for their ISP though! ;-)
Loketar
> Loketar? You're back! Nice to see you haven't abandoned us. Anyway,
> getting back on topic, I don't actually know anyone on AOL (Atlus excepted
> here), so I couldn't form opinions based on personal experience. I know
> quite enough idiots using other ISP's already ;-). I guess it's bit like
> making jokes about Irish people, in as much as a lot of the time the
> stereotype is used because it just fits the point people want to make, but
> there is always the risk that it will go too far. What we really need is
> for another ISP to stand up and get a bad image world-wide to take the
> spotlight away from AOL (ah, the pain of being too well known).
Well, MSN is trying... ;-)
Yes, I'm back for a bit. This is the two week lull in the storm for me. I
found a house in NJ. Once my heart starts beating again after it stopped
from sticker shock, I can post a bit. Unfortunately, most of my time will be
spent organizing and packing for the move. Then, once I get there, I need to
unpack and start training. Time will be allot sparser for awhile, but gaming
time will be found. I'm going to miss my cable modem though. The lack of
time is what's preventing me from playing IWD right now though, and that
makes me mad...
Atlus Seven
>was always speaking from that "perspective" viewpoint, nothing more, nothing
>less. After reading my post, I didn't make that abundantly clear in all
>places, when really I meant too.
No no....I understood you. I just did the same thing you did to an extent. =D
I was just venting some much accumulated steam that's been building up lately.
I was in no way making a personal attack on you or your character. Sorry if I
came off like I was.
> I do tend to think of them as
>someone that pays to much for their ISP though! ;-)
Well, I have a little.....um....trick that I use to only pay 10$ a month for
AOL. I don't know if it's considered illegal or not, so I won't post details.
Loketar
=D I was just venting some much accumulated steam that's been building up
lately. I was in no way making a personal attack on you or your character.
Sorry if I came off like I was."
You didn't. I just wanted to make sure that you knew I meant no insult. I go
out of my way on this NG to make sure I don't alienate ANYONE unless it is
totally intentional, which has only happened twice. I do this because I
think this NG is a great place to read and post. As I said before, this NG
is solely responsible for my RPG revival and I've enjoyed it immensely. So
I'm extra careful not to step on any toes.
Phil
> Yes, I'm back for a bit. This is the two week lull in the storm for me. I
> found a house in NJ. Once my heart starts beating again after it stopped
> from sticker shock, I can post a bit. Unfortunately, most of my time will
be
> spent organizing and packing for the move. Then, once I get there, I need
to
> unpack and start training. Time will be allot sparser for awhile, but
gaming
> time will be found. I'm going to miss my cable modem though. The lack of
> time is what's preventing me from playing IWD right now though, and that
> makes me mad...
>
I know it's a bit late, but if you really want a house, then the local
authority is selling houses in the west end of Newcastle upon Tyne for
either 50p or £1. I'll not mention exactly why they're so cheap (as if you
couldn't guess ;-)), but you could almost buy a city for what I bet you'll
have to pay for one house in New Jersey. Oh, and if organising your games
collection for the big moving day is a problem, then just forward them to my
house, and I promise to send them back... eventually ;-)
Cay
Phil <ph...@your.inhibitions.gledson.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> I know it's a bit late, but if you really want a house, then the local
> authority is selling houses in the west end of Newcastle upon Tyne for
> either 50p or £1. I'll not mention exactly why they're so cheap (as if
you
> couldn't guess ;-)), but you could almost buy a city for what I bet you'll
> have to pay for one house in New Jersey. Oh, and if organising your games
> collection for the big moving day is a problem, then just forward them to
my
> house, and I promise to send them back... eventually ;-)
Hey, a Geordie? Are you a football fan? Magpies?
Just curious. That's my favourite club, even though it's hard to catch many
televised games on this side of the Atlantic.
Cheers,
Cay
--
Kennaway Byron MacGregor
Department of Biological Sciences, Brock University
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada L2S 3A1
Loketar
collection for the big moving day is a problem, then just forward them to my
house, and I promise to send them back... eventually ;-)"
Well, I broke down and bought IWD. Couldn't resist any longer.
Most the games I have are "classic" ones, i.e. to old to sell or trade! :-)
I used to be big in to trading for other games, so I used to not keep them
long. I counted for the move though. I have something like 64 games on the
shelf, plus the ones I have at my desk that I'm currently playing. I'll be
sure to catalog them well in case any of the movers decide to help
themselves.
Atlus Seven
>=D I was just venting some much accumulated steam that's been building up
>lately. I was in no way making a personal attack on you or your character.
>Sorry if I came off like I was."
>
>You didn't. I just wanted to make sure that you knew I meant no insult.
I knew you ment no harm. I can tell when someone's being intentional or not.
But again, I do apologize for going overboard.
>I go
>out of my way on this NG to make sure I don't alienate ANYONE unless it is
>totally intentional, which has only happened twice. I do this because I
>think this NG is a great place to read and post. As I said before, this NG
>is solely responsible for my RPG revival and I've enjoyed it immensely. So
>I'm extra careful not to step on any toes.
God, I wish there were more people like you in internet land. =D So many
people make it a point to piss off as many people as they possibly can each
day. It's good to know other people out there with this kind of courtesy.
You're one of the most informative and helpful people on this NG, and i'd hate
to get on your bad side. I hope no harm was done with my post. =D
Loketar
Not even a smidge! Ok, group hug...
Phil
Well if your games are that old, then no-one will want to steal them!
That's the great thing about having boxes full of software for my old
Amiga - I can leave them out in full view, and still nobody wants to steal
the things ;-) If only I could get an Amiga emulator working on this
dratted PC...
Actually, thinking of trading games, a friend of mine just bought a new PC
with CD-RW drive. When he asked for game recommendations, I of course
mentioned BG and other such games (as well as the ones I want to get rid
of - ain't I devious?). His response was to ask if he could copy them onto
CD - grrrr! I had to inform him that in the interests of hypocrisy, I had
to take a stand and make him buy his own copies, rather than pirating the
software. It gave me a great feeling to know that I'd stopped someone
trying to pirate software - but not such a good feeling when you're
lecturing people you know :-(
Phil
Cay <kennaway_...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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> Phil <ph...@your.inhibitions.gledson.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:8k2g5r$uia$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> Just curious. That's my favourite club, even though it's hard to catch
many
> televised games on this side of the Atlantic.
>
> Cheers,
> Cay
>
Yes! A one-time season ticket holder, who still gets to see the odd game at
St James' Park. And if you think it's hard to see football across the Pond,
it's nearly as bad over here :-( The television rights are sown up tighter
than a Scotsman's purse. That's possibly a good thing - the Toon's just
spent £7million on a centre-forward - from Winbledon :-( But it's great to
see that we have a world-wide following. Purely out of interest, how long
hhave you been watching the black and whites? I bet a certain Kevin Keegan
had something to do with it ;-)
By the way, if anyone on the group wants to buy a footballer, hardly used
(always injured), has good aerial qualities, and a left foot (the right foot
is for standing purposes only), then please write to Mr Bobby Robson,
Newcastle United FC, marking your letter "I want to buy Duncan Ferguson".
Phil
> "I hope no harm was done with my post. =D"
>
> Not even a smidge! Ok, group hug...
>
>
>
No. There is no way I'm doing that whole Teletubby hugging thing (even if
they are well cool), simply because they mess with my mind (try watching
them when you're drunk to see exactly why). You can have a masculine grunt,
but that's about it: grrmphhhh.
gle...@my-deja.com
$5-$10 just by itself. Character's can go upto 14th-15th level you
couldn't do that in Baldur's. Besides I already have Tales of the
Sword Coast. Just because the UI is the same is no reason to rip the
game, why fix something that isn't broken.
--
Glen Martin
Dynamic Adventures Inc.
http://www.zenfar.com
Bangalore
Icewind Dale is, in my opinion, far superior to Baldur's Gate. You get the
chance to advance from 1st to around 17th level, and a lot of the problems
with BG have been ironed out (Crappy pathfinding AI, characters walking slow
as molasses, large boring expanses of wilderness, etc.). Saying it's a cheap
gimmick merely because the character graphics are the same is like calling
Empire Strikes Back a pile of crap because it still has all the same main
characters. The location art, monster animations, and even the storyline for
IWD are pretty damn good in my opinion. The GUI's been reworked graphically,
if still retaining the same concept. I don;t udnerstand how anyone who is a
fan of BG would disparage them using the same engine for another product.
Cay
>
> Yes! A one-time season ticket holder, who still gets to see the odd game
at
> St James' Park. And if you think it's hard to see football across the
Pond,
> it's nearly as bad over here :-( The television rights are sown up
tighter
> than a Scotsman's purse. That's possibly a good thing - the Toon's just
> spent £7million on a centre-forward - from Winbledon :-( But it's great
to
> see that we have a world-wide following. Purely out of interest, how long
> hhave you been watching the black and whites? I bet a certain Kevin
Keegan
> had something to do with it ;-)
You're right. Plus up until a few years ago it was impossible to watch any
English football unless you spent your Saturday mornings (5hr time diff) in
the pub. And the success NUFC had under Keegan had something to do with it!
;)
I'm Canadian-born, but my family is from Cheltenham. Obviously, it's a
hapless task to cheer for CCFC, but NUFC were just fun to watch the first
year we started getting PL games on cable over here. There are way too many
MUFC fans around. Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal are also very popular in
my area (near Toronto, ON, Canada). Not many NUFC fans, but the owner of a
local supply shop is from
Tyneside, so no shortage of merchandise! :)
Phil
> Phil <ph...@your.inhibitions.gledson.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:8k6vm7$ap5$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> > Yes! A one-time season ticket holder, who still gets to see the odd
game
> at
> > St James' Park. And if you think it's hard to see football across the
> Pond,
> > it's nearly as bad over here :-( The television rights are sown up
> tighter
> > than a Scotsman's purse. That's possibly a good thing - the Toon's just
> > spent £7million on a centre-forward - from Winbledon :-( But it's great
> to
> > see that we have a world-wide following. Purely out of interest, how
long
> > hhave you been watching the black and whites? I bet a certain Kevin
> Keegan
> > had something to do with it ;-)
>
> You're right. Plus up until a few years ago it was impossible to watch
any
> English football unless you spent your Saturday mornings (5hr time diff)
in
> the pub. And the success NUFC had under Keegan had something to do with
it!
> ;)
Ah, happy days indeed. Like the 6-0 against Barnsley, the 7-1 vs Leicester,
numerous thrashings of Coventry... I could go on. Oh, did I mention 5-0
against Man U? ;-)
> I'm Canadian-born, but my family is from Cheltenham. Obviously, it's a
> hapless task to cheer for CCFC,
Too true ;-)
> but NUFC were just fun to watch the first
> year we started getting PL games on cable over here. There are way too
many
> MUFC fans around. Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal are also very popular in
> my area (near Toronto, ON, Canada). Not many NUFC fans, but the owner of
a
> local supply shop is from
> Tyneside, so no shortage of merchandise! :)
All you need is a few bottles of Brown Ale for the authentic atmosphere!
But anyway, the only place on this planet where you'll get away from Man U
fans appears to be in the centre of Manchester ;-)
> Cheers,
> Cay