A little difficulty with clerics in BG2.
Radiohead
Delryn, Son of a Wh...er, Son of Cor...or Viconia DeVir...
Okay, first off, I hate Anomen. I usually end up casting Disintegrate on
him to remove him in a permanent fashion...heh...his Wisdom score is lame,
even if he gets knighted...bah...and aside from that, I have to put up with
such remarks as, "These pathetic skirmishes we have are hardly worth the
time it takes to clean my weapons after battle!" Yet, I can get Minsc to
mop the floor with him in two swift strokes...now, what kind of fool does he
take me for, telling Yoshimo that he killed a Wyvern with a spear (in one
hit)...especially since clerics can't use spears to begin with? Anyways, I
think you get my drift, eh?
So, playing the good-aligned party that I always do, taking Viconia in
always leads to chaos...though, mind you, I can put up with her crap far
easier than I can Anomen's, she's still an evil NPC and she'll likely leave
the party if my reputation gets too high...at least, Korgan always does so I
stopped bothering with the likes of him...but I have little choice in the
matter...my question is...how do I keep her, without being evil? Eventually
that rep is going to get too high and she'll leave, I just knows it...but
there must be a way, without cheating. Highly annoying that all the good
NPCs are evil (Edwin, 18 INT; Korgan, Grand Master of the Axe; Viconia, 18
WIS)...arrrrrrr!!!!!!!!
Allen
>that rep is going to get too high and she'll leave, I just knows it...but
>there must be a way, without cheating.
Heard someone say the other day, each time you become the slayer you lose
2 rep pts.. sounds like an easy way to keep the rep down from time to
time without killing people.
Kish
Have an 18+ Charisma.
Or take Aerie instead.
WindupAtheist
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>Or take Aerie instead.
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Or just fire all of those do-gooders and turn to the Dark Side. Heh heh heh.
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You could always try Cernd as your main priest. Ha. Ha.
Bruce
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Talking about V. I heard that you can make her to the 'side of light' as it
were and also Saravoc in TOB. I have never been able to do this and they
always end up leaving my party. Any ideas how to do this (if it's true)
thanks
Rhodry
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Jonathan Ellis
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>Alright...if you're not a cleric...you have two choices in BG2. Anomen
>Delryn, Son of a Wh...er, Son of Cor...or Viconia DeVir...
>Okay, first off, I hate Anomen. I usually end up casting Disintegrate
on
>him to remove him in a permanent fashion...heh...his Wisdom score is
lame,
16 (after he gets knighted) isn't that bad. It's better than Jaheira,
and as good as Aerie. Missing a single 3rd- and 4th-level spell isn't
such a big deal: if you really need it, have him quaff a Potion of
Insight before going to sleep. Before he gets knighted (or after he
fails his knighthood test, should he fail), quaffing a Potion of Insight
before going to sleep will also be the way to get him his bonus spells:
these potions are not exactly in short supply in the game.
>even if he gets knighted...bah...and aside from that, I have to put up
with
>such remarks as, "These pathetic skirmishes we have are hardly worth
the
>time it takes to clean my weapons after battle!" Yet, I can get Minsc
to
>mop the floor with him in two swift strokes...now, what kind of fool
does he
>take me for, telling Yoshimo that he killed a Wyvern with a spear (in
one
>hit)...especially since clerics can't use spears to begin with?
Anomen was a pure Fighter before he was a Cleric. Evidently he
wasted some of his weapon proficiencies while he was a fighter, by
putting them in the sharp weapons (including Spears) that he was later
to be banned from using, by turning to being a cleric. (Obviously, he
was originally wanting to be not a Fighter/Cleric dual, but a Paladin:
but he failed on both the wisdom and charisma tests...)
>Anyways, I
>think you get my drift, eh?
>So, playing the good-aligned party that I always do, taking Viconia in
>always leads to chaos...though, mind you, I can put up with her crap
far
>easier than I can Anomen's, she's still an evil NPC and she'll likely
leave
>the party if my reputation gets too high...
If you're male and romancing her, she won't leave your party while
the romance continues (beware though, it has a "sad"-sounding ending in
SoA, but is picked up again in ToB.) Also, she'll have a chance to turn
away from evil and become Neutral, in ToB, although never quite truly
Good.
(Her most annoying feature is hurting herself with her own Holy
Smites, while she's still evil... "Unholy Blight" just doesn't cut it as
a replacement, as it hurts Good types, and precious few of your enemies
are Good.)
Alternatively, if you want a non-evil 18-Wis priest-type, go for
Cernd... although you'll miss out on Holy Smite and Chant, as he's a
druid, but he's an entirely adequate healer (and caster of Chaotic
Commands and Insect Swarm, the latter spell being one which Clerics
don't get.) And he really takes off in power after you get to ToB
levels, when he reaches character level 15.
Aerie is a more than adequate cleric, though, if you can't stand
Anomen: the fact that she doesn't have 18 wisdom is balanced by the fact
that she also casts mage spells...
Jonathan.
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PosterX
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understood the Anomen bashing. The only real criticism I have of him is that
he is the most annoying NPC, with Minsc as a close second. Viconia's 18 wis
only gives her 1 extra 3rd and 4th level spell over Sir Anomen's 16.
Secondly Viconia has terrible STR and CON. Since all my other party members
have great DEX I can just give Anomen gauntlets of dexterity. STR enhancing
items are at a premium in my party however so Anomen's natural 18/52 works
out well. So in short it comes down to who ELSE is in your party.
Mufasa
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> Talking about V. I heard that you can make her to the 'side of light' as
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> were and also Saravoc in TOB. I have never been able to do this and they
> always end up leaving my party. Any ideas how to do this (if it's true)
With Vic you have to be romancing her. With Saervok you just have to more or
less tell him repeatedly that his life is his own and that you trust him.
Eventually he'll change. Thing is with Saervok, the conversations are
random, so its entirely possible to go through all of ToB without getting
them.
Kish
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> If you install ToB NPCs wont leave due to high rep.
Not true.
NPCs won't leave due to high rep /in ToB/. NPCs will still leave just
the same in SoA.
> However, I never
> understood the Anomen bashing. The only real criticism I have of him is that
> he is the most annoying NPC,
That's the answer. Not everyone bases their likes/dislikes on power. I
don't think anyone would dispute that Anomen is quite a powerful
character. Some people (me among them) would dispute that that should
be the primary consideration in choosing a party member.
--Kish (who has proudly never taken that disgusting idiot Edwin beyond
the time it took to do his quests)
Htn963
>However, I never
>understood the Anomen bashing. The only real criticism I have of him is that
>he is the most annoying NPC, with Minsc as a close second.
You've just answered your own question. Aerie and Nalia also place high
on the annoying list in a poll last year.
>Viconia's 18 wis
>only gives her 1 extra 3rd and 4th level spell over Sir Anomen's 16.
But you have to put up with Anomen long enough for him to _be_ Sir Anomen,
and for some, that is just too long.
>Secondly Viconia has terrible STR and CON.
Which makes little difference if one likes to use clerics as spellcasters
and not fighters, like I do. But her high DEX makes her a fine missile
slinger. Plus, you can equip her with Mauler's Arm, which provides 18
strength.
>Since all my other party members
>have great DEX I can just give Anomen gauntlets of dexterity. STR enhancing
>items are at a premium in my party however so Anomen's natural 18/52 works
>out well. So in short it comes down to who ELSE is in your party.
Yes, it does come down to who is in your party, but I still fail to
understand why strength enhancing item would be more of a premium to you than
dexterity enhancing items. There are quite a few strength enhancing items in
SOA, and even more so in TOB: several strength girdles, the gauntlet of ogre
power, and the mace as mentioned above. But there is only one dexterity
enhancing item.
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Laura Uerling
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> PosterX wrote:
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> > If you install ToB NPCs wont leave due to high rep.
>
> Not true.
>
> NPCs won't leave due to high rep /in ToB/. NPCs will still leave just
> the same in SoA.
>
> > However, I never
> > understood the Anomen bashing. The only real criticism I have of him is that
> > he is the most annoying NPC,
>
> That's the answer. Not everyone bases their likes/dislikes on power. I
> don't think anyone would dispute that Anomen is quite a powerful
> character. Some people (me among them) would dispute that that should
> be the primary consideration in choosing a party member.
I'd say that most don't base their likes/dislkes *solely* on power.
There are plenty of other considerations, like, as you mention,
personality, and whether the NPC fits your playing--and
role-playing--style.
I find Anomen and Viconia about equally annoying, though Anomen improves
considerably after he passes his knighthood test. Vic may very well
improve if you romance her, but I've never done it so I can't speak to
that.
In addition, there are different ways to measure 'power'. Lots of people
here rate Vic as more 'powerful' because she has natural magic
resistance and gets a couple of bonus spells for higher WIS. However,
*I* like a cleric who can also do melee, so Vic's low strength and hit
points make Anomen a much better, 'more powerful', choice for me.
Besides, I really prefer playing a good party, so he fits my
role-playing style better.
> --Kish (who has proudly never taken that disgusting idiot Edwin beyond
> the time it took to do his quests)
Now *this* we agree on! IMO, Edwin's bonus spells are *not* worth
putting up with his personality. However, I did once keep him long
enough to see the Nether Scroll work; most amusing.
Laura Uerling
luer...@stonehill.edu
Kish
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> Now *this* we agree on! IMO, Edwin's bonus spells are *not* worth
> putting up with his personality. However, I did once keep him long
> enough to see the Nether Scroll work; most amusing.
If you do his Nether Scroll quest early and drop him from the party, the
timer for the Scroll will keep running. Then you can pick him up just
for a minute every few days to see if the scroll is ready to work
(taking him outside may or may not be necessary for this, but it won't
take but a minute anyway). Then when it does, you can drop him again,
and keep picking him up every few days, and eventually another wizard
will offer you 5000 gold and 5000 xp to sell Edwin out (the wizard will
approach even inside the Copper Coronet, you don't need to go anywhere
for that part).
Rune Christensen
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> I'd say that most don't base their likes/dislkes *solely* on
power.
> There are plenty of other considerations, like, as you mention,
> personality, and whether the NPC fits your playing--and
> role-playing--style.
>
> I find Anomen and Viconia about equally annoying, though Anomen
improves
> considerably after he passes his knighthood test. Vic may very
well
> improve if you romance her, but I've never done it so I can't
speak to
> that.
>
> In addition, there are different ways to measure 'power'. Lots of
people
> here rate Vic as more 'powerful' because she has natural magic
> resistance and gets a couple of bonus spells for higher WIS.
However,
> *I* like a cleric who can also do melee, so Vic's low strength and
hit
> points make Anomen a much better, 'more powerful', choice for me.
Good point. From a power point of view, I'd take Anomen any day.
Viconia gets clobbered too easily. But from the point of "i need an
evil cleric", I'd go with Viconia. She's intelligently evil, not
your raving-maniac kind of evil that Korgan is, and much more
interesting for it. Plus she's a babe and she gets it on with my PC.
:-)
> Besides, I really prefer playing a good party, so he fits my
> role-playing style better.
I like playing evil, so Í corrupted Anomen and had him in my evil
party with Korgan, Edwin, Viconia, Haer'Dalis. and my evil
fighter-thief. Worked wonders.
> > --Kish (who has proudly never taken that disgusting
idiot Edwin beyond
> > the time it took to do his quests)
>
> Now *this* we agree on! IMO, Edwin's bonus spells are *not* worth
> putting up with his personality. However, I did once keep him long
> enough to see the Nether Scroll work; most amusing.
Edwin rules so much, he should change his middle name to Tiax! In my
humble opinion, Edwin is the greatest NPC of either BG game solely
due to his personality.
Rune Christensen