Re: The Supreme Court Should Get Out of the Insurrection Business

[Skeeter]

In article <5PRwN.78227$Vrtf....@fx39.iad>, max....@lathymes.com
says...
>
> On 2/7/2024 12:26 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
> molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>
> > In article <SuPwN.78224$Vrtf....@fx39.iad>, l...@cap.con says...
> >>
> >> By Akhil Reed Amar
> >>
> >> Mr. Amar, a law professor at Yale, wrote an amicus brief for the Section 3, 14th
> >> Amendment Supreme Court case Trump v. Anderson.
> >>
> >> Feb. 7, 2024
> >>
> >> The Supreme Court will hear arguments on Thursday about whether Colorado may
> >> keep Donald Trump off the presidential ballot because of the storming of the
> >> Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. The justices should seek a ruling that is originalist,
> >> modest and respectful of America?s democratic federalism.
> >>
> >> In particular, they should focus on two phrases: ?the first insurrection of the
> >> 1860s? and ?the fifty-state solution.?
> >>
> >> The first phrase explains why Mr. Trump?s conduct squarely falls under Section 3
> >> of the 14th Amendment, which bars from any ?office, civil or military, under the
> >> United States? any important public servant who, after swearing an oath to the
> >> Constitution, engages in an ?insurrection? or gives insurrectionists ?aid or
> >> comfort.?
> >>
> >> The second phrase highlights the Constitution?s well-established structure for
> >> presidential elections, blending democracy with federalism. A 50-state solution
> >> allows each state to use its own distinct procedures and protocols for applying
> >> Section 3.
> >>
> >> Mr. Trump?s lawyers legitimately ask what counts as a disqualifying
> >> insurrection. Section 3, they note, was clearly aimed at oath-breakers who had
> >> backed insurrections akin to the Civil War. In that calamitous insurrection,
> >> more than half a million people died. The Jan. 6 Capitol riot, they argue, pales
> >> in comparison.
> >>
> >> But Section 3?s authors actually had not one but two recent insurrections in
> >> mind. Before the bloody insurrection that began when cannons roared at Fort
> >> Sumter in April 1861, there was the first insurrection of the 1860s, led by
> >> cabinet members of outgoing President James Buchanan, including John B. Floyd,
> >> the war secretary, and Philip Francis Thomas, the treasury secretary, among many
> >> others. A shadowy network of affiliates and co-conspirators aimed in several and
> >> nefarious ways ? including mayhem, military subversion and even murder, if need
> >> be ? to prevent the lawful counting of President-elect Abraham Lincoln?s
> >> electoral votes and to thwart his lawful inauguration in early March 1861.
> >>
> >> From one angle, the first insurrection was even worse than the giant
> >> insurrection that followed. It aimed not merely to shrink the union, but to undo
> >> a legitimate presidential election for all Americans.
> >>
> >> On Feb. 13, 1861 ? the closest equivalent of Jan. 6, 2021 ? Congress met to
> >> certify Lincoln?s victory. Malicious anti-Lincoln men congregated near the
> >> Capitol. But thanks to Gen. Winfield Scott?s steely defense, the Capitol held.
> >>
> >> In some ways, the insurrection of 2021 was worse than the first insurrection of
> >> 1861. The Capitol did not fall in 1861, but it was breached in 2021.
> >>
> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/07/opinion/supreme-court-trump-section-3.html
> >>
> >> The assault on the Capitol on Jan 06, 2021 was an insurrection. This is not in
> >> rational dispute.
> >
> > Only you say that.
>
> All knowledgeable and rational observers say it.

There must not be to many of them then.

[Josh Rosenbluth]

On 2/8/2024 10:58 AM, Michael A Terrell wrote:
> On 2/8/2024 7:24 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted

> child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>

>> In article <00t8silbao29ji3sq...@4ax.com>,
>> governo...@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 15:41:55 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/7/2024 9:56 AM, Lou Bricano wrote:
>>>>> By Akhil Reed Amar

>>>>>
>>>>> The second phrase highlights the Constitution?s well-established
>>>>> structure for presidential elections, blending democracy with
>>>>> federalism. A 50-state solution allows each state to use its own
>>>>> distinct procedures and protocols for applying Section 3.
>>>>

>>>> Amar argues that each state is permitted to implement stricter
>>>> qualifications to be on the presidential ballot including for
>>>> example no
>>>> one over 80. That's sounds wrong to me.
>>>>
>>>> I favor a single nationwide standard and determination for whether
>>>> Trump
>>>> is disqualified under 14.3.
>>>
>>> I favor stopping all this 14.3 nonsense and voting.
>>>
>>> Swill
>>
>> Agreed.
>
> No. 14.3 is there for a reason. Trump is ineligible.

If you read the reports about oral arguments today, SCOTUS is going to
rule otherwise without reaching the merits of whether Trump engaged in
insurrection.

[Just Wondering]

On 2/8/2024 11:58 AM, Michael A Terrell wrote:
> On 2/8/2024 7:24 AM, Skeeterwrote:

>> governo...@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 15:41:55 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/7/2024 9:56 AM, Lou Bricano wrote:
>>>>> By Akhil Reed Amar
>>>>>
>>>>> The second phrase highlights the Constitution?s well-established
>>>>> structure for presidential elections, blending democracy with
>>>>> federalism. A 50-state solution allows each state to use its own
>>>>> distinct procedures and protocols for applying Section 3.
>>>>
>>>> Amar argues that each state is permitted to implement stricter
>>>> qualifications to be on the presidential ballot including for
>>>> example no one over 80. That's sounds wrong to me.
>>>>
>>>> I favor a single nationwide standard and determination for whether
>>>> Trump is disqualified under 14.3.
>>>
>>> I favor stopping all this 14.3 nonsense and voting.

>> Agreed.
>
> No. 14.3 is there for a reason. Trump is ineligible.
>

Funny then that with all the trumped-up (pun intended) charges
that have been asserted against Trump, none of them are
for insurrection. That is because the prosecutors lack
evidence to bring such a charge.

[Skeeter]

In article <Sv9xN.114670$46Te....@fx38.iad>,
mike.am...@earthlink.nut says...

>
> On 2/8/2024 7:24 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
> molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>
> > In article <00t8silbao29ji3sq...@4ax.com>,

> > governo...@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 15:41:55 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2/7/2024 9:56 AM, Lou Bricano wrote:
> >>>> By Akhil Reed Amar
> >>>>
> >>>> The second phrase highlights the Constitution?s well-established
> >>>> structure for presidential elections, blending democracy with
> >>>> federalism. A 50-state solution allows each state to use its own
> >>>> distinct procedures and protocols for applying Section 3.
> >>>
> >>> Amar argues that each state is permitted to implement stricter
> >>> qualifications to be on the presidential ballot including for example no
> >>> one over 80. That's sounds wrong to me.
> >>>
> >>> I favor a single nationwide standard and determination for whether Trump
> >>> is disqualified under 14.3.
> >>
> >> I favor stopping all this 14.3 nonsense and voting.
> >>

> >> Swill

> >
> > Agreed.
>
> No. 14.3 is there for a reason. Trump is ineligible.

Judging by the hearing it doesn't look like the court is going to back
Colorado. To bad.

[Skeeter]

In article <tf8yN.221451$yEgf....@fx09.iad>, air@vatican_.con says...
>
> On 2/8/2024 11:51 AM, Francis Mark Hansen <fmh...@comcast.net>, sleazy rent-skip
> chaser, possible polygamist and irrational gun nut, lied:

>
> > On 2/8/2024 11:58 AM, Michael A Terrell wrote:
> >> On 2/8/2024 7:24 AM, Skeeterwrote:
> >>> governo...@gmail.com says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 15:41:55 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2/7/2024 9:56 AM, Lou Bricano wrote:
> >>>>>> By Akhil Reed Amar
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The second phrase highlights the Constitution?s well-established
> >>>>>> structure for presidential elections, blending democracy with
> >>>>>> federalism. A 50-state solution allows each state to use its own
> >>>>>> distinct procedures and protocols for applying Section 3.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Amar argues that each state is permitted to implement stricter
> >>>>> qualifications to be on the presidential ballot including for example no
> >>>>> one over 80. That's sounds wrong to me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I favor a single nationwide standard and determination for whether Trump is
> >>>>> disqualified under 14.3.
> >>>>
> >>>> I favor stopping all this 14.3 nonsense and voting.
> >>> Agreed.
> >>
> >> No. 14.3 is there for a reason. Trump is ineligible.
> >>
> > Funny then that with all the trumped-up (pun intended) charges
>

> There are no trumped-up charges, Francis. All of the criminal charges against
> Trump are rock-solid and supported by voluminous evidence.o right to
have?

and crooked prosecutors. Why did Joe get away with having documents he
had

>
> > that have been asserted against Trump, none of them are
> > for insurrection.
>

> That doesn't matter, Francis. That doesn't change the *fact* that the attack on
> the Capitol on 01/06/2021 *was*, indeed, an insurrection. It was, and Trump
> organized, financed, incited, directed and participated in it. As I have
> instructed your good pal Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell (convicted child
> molester and another fucking do-nothing), if your house is burglarized but no
> one is ever prosecuted for the burglary, that doesn't mean the burglary didn't
> occur.
>

No insurrection. If YOU are so sure then how come they aren't?

> You stupid fucking hapless feckless rent-skip chaser.


More proof Rudy is wrong. Name calling is a sign of defeat.

[Skeeter]

In article <mh8yN.221452$yEgf....@fx09.iad>,
mike.am...@earthlink.nut says...
>
> On 2/8/2024 2:18 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child

> > Colorado. To [sic] bad.
>
> Yes, it is too bad, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell. They ought to affirm
> the Colorado ruling. There was an insurrection ? not in rational dispute ? and
> Trump was part of it. Trump organized, financed, incited, directed and engaged
> in it.

All your lies aside. The court will rule against it.

[pothead]

On 2024-02-11, Michael A Terrell <mike.am...@earthlink.nut> wrote:
> On 2/11/2024 11:41 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child

> molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>

>> In article <Ka8yN.221450$yEgf....@fx09.iad>,
>> mike.am...@earthlink.nut says...

>>> No doubt. That indicates the Republiscum/QAnon justices buy this bullshit about
>>> the presidency not being an office under the United States. That is simply
>>> absurd. It's pure sophistry.
>>
>> While Joe gets away with committing crimes.
>
> No evidence of any Joe Biden crimes. There is *massive* evidence of Trump's crimes.
>

The open border policy is treason.
Failing to protect the sovereignty of the US.


--
pothead
Tommy Chong For President 2024.
Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

[pothead]

On 2024-02-11, Michael A Terrell <mike.am...@earthlink.nut> wrote:

> There is no open border policy.

Stop the semantics Rudy. For all practical purposes the border IS open.
Answer 3 or 4 questions correctly and unless you are on some terrorist watch list, you are in.

Even the far left NYT agrees Biden created a mess.

<https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/30/us/politics/biden-border-crisis-immigration.html>

> You don't know what treason is.

Oh yes it is:
treason /trē′zən/
noun

The betrayal of allegiance toward one's own country, especially by committing hostile acts
against it or aiding its enemies in committing such acts.

So what do YOU call letting in 1000's of unvetted soldier age single men from many of our
adversaries like China, Iran, Iraq etc ?

And just wait until things escalate from petty crime like shoplifting escalates to blowing up
buildings, mass shootings and so forth.
At that point Biden should get the electric chair but he'll be long dead before that time happens.

You libby's are fools.

[pothead]

On 2024-02-11, Michael A Terrell <mike.am...@earthlink.nut> wrote:

> No, the border is not open.

>
>>
>> Even the far left NYT
>

> The New York Times, aka the Gold Standard, is not "far left." It is very
> moderately left of center.

In the past yes.
Currently?
Left wing. Far is a subjective term anyway.
However, even the NYT is realizing that supporting Biden is like rearranging the deck chairs on the
Titanic.

<https://www.allsides.com/news-source/new-york-times>

<https://www.nytimes.com/article/biden-democratic-primary-challenge.html>

>> agrees Biden created a mess.
>>
>> <https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/30/us/politics/biden-border-crisis-immigration.html>
>

> Yeah, about that story:
>
> Some of the circumstances that have created the crisis are out of Mr. Biden’s
> control, such as the collapse of Venezuela, a surge in migration around the
> world and the obstinance of Republicans who have tried to thwart his efforts
> to address the problems. They refused to provide resources, blocked efforts
> to update laws and openly defied federal officials charged with maintaining
> security and order along the 2,000-mile border.


Lame attempt to defend Biden.
the point is, it doesn't matter if the illegal immigrants are coming from the Artic, they need to
be denied entry until properly vetted.



> It's the Republiscums/QAnon. They won't provide the resources. No, Biden does
> *not* have what he needs "right now" to control the surge.


He should have left things alone and all would be fine.
He didn't and now we have a mess.
It's 100% Biden's fault and all the spinning won't cover that fact.

>>
>>> You don't know what treason is.
>>
>> Oh yes it is:
>

> No, whatever problems there are on the border, it doesn't amount to treason —
> not in any way. There is no enemy power being given aid and comfort. There is no
> treason. You're full of shit, as neo-Nazi Trumpswab MAGAs always are.

Really?
Being allowed into the US without proper vetting is potentially giving the enemy power.
That's for the courts to decide.



> You didn't seriously think someone would accept your lie that you are
> "libertarian," did you? You aren't. All you do is repeat every Trumpswab MAGA
> lie there is, including stupid horseshit about Michelle Obama being a "man" and
> the Democrats intending to run her. You don't say anything even remotely
> libertarian. You say all this Trumpswab MAGA bullshit because that's what you
> are: a knuckle-dragging neo-Nazi MAGA shitbag.

Yawn.
Ad hominem attack noted.
Right back at ya!

You have run out of gas Rudy.
Slow night at the Jolly Kone?
Maybe you should try the little black miniskirt again?
Mini goes well with dwarfs.
Try wearing high heel pumps. It will make you look taller but I'll warn you, they are tough on the
ankles but since you don't have far to fall you should be alright.

lol !

[Skeeter]

In article <tC9yN.319922$7sbb....@fx16.iad>,
mike.am...@earthlink.nut says...
>
> On 2/11/2024 11:41 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child

> molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>

> > In article <Ka8yN.221450$yEgf....@fx09.iad>,
> > mike.am...@earthlink.nut says...
> >>
> >> On 2/8/2024 11:27 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:

> >> No doubt. That indicates the Republiscum/QAnon justices buy this bullshit about
> >> the presidency not being an office under the United States. That is simply
> >> absurd. It's pure sophistry.
> >
> > While Joe gets away with committing crimes.
>
> No evidence of any Joe Biden crimes. There is *massive* evidence of Trump's crimes.

He had documents he took when he was a senator. Not allowed. They could
have tried him but the crooked DOJ said the jury would look at him as an
"elderly person with a bad memory" He committed a crime.

[Skeeter]

In article <6ScyN.95026$TSTa....@fx47.iad>,
mike.am...@earthlink.nut says...

> Now.

>
>
> >
> >>> agrees Biden created a mess.
> >>>
> >>> <https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/30/us/politics/biden-border-crisis-immigration.html>
> >>
> >> Yeah, about that story:
> >>

> >> Some of the circumstances that have created the crisis are out of Mr. Biden?s

> >> control, such as the collapse of Venezuela, a surge in migration around the
> >> world and the obstinance of Republicans who have tried to thwart his efforts
> >> to address the problems. They refused to provide resources, blocked efforts
> >> to update laws and openly defied federal officials charged with maintaining
> >> security and order along the 2,000-mile border.
> >
> >
> > Lame attempt to defend Biden.
>

> I'm not trying to defend Biden. I'm pointing out that the Republiscums/QAnon are
> greatly responsible.

Bullshit. If Biden would just follow the law everything would be fine.

>
> >
> >> It's the Republiscums/QAnon. They won't provide the resources. No, Biden does
> >> *not* have what he needs "right now" to control the surge.
> >
> >
> > He should have left things alone and all would be fine.
>

> The border was already porous. The Republiscums/QAnon wouldn't give Biden what
> he needed. Trump did *not* "secure" the border ? not even close. Stop telling
> that lie.

Joe has only to follow the law. Enter only at legal entry points. Simple
huh?

>
> >
> >>>
> >>>> You don't know what treason is.
> >>>
> >>> Oh yes it is:
> >>

> >> No, whatever problems there are on the border, it doesn't amount to treason ?

> >> not in any way. There is no enemy power being given aid and comfort. There is no
> >> treason. You're full of shit, as neo-Nazi Trumpswab MAGAs always are.
> >
> > Really?
>

> Yes, really, no neo-Nazi Trumpswab MAGA.

>
> > Being allowed into the US without proper vetting is potentially giving the enemy power.
>

> There is no enemy coming to the southern border.


You have vetted them all? What about the cop beatings in NY?

>
>
> >
> >> You didn't seriously think someone would accept your lie that you are
> >> "libertarian," did you? You aren't. All you do is repeat every Trumpswab MAGA
> >> lie there is, including stupid horseshit about Michelle Obama being a "man" and
> >> the Democrats intending to run her.
>

> And "pothole" flees...

>
> >> You don't say anything even remotely
> >> libertarian. You say all this Trumpswab MAGA bullshit because that's what you
> >> are: a knuckle-dragging neo-Nazi MAGA shitbag.
> >
> > Yawn.
> > Ad hominem attack noted.
>

> Add "/ad hominem/" to the list of things you don't know. No, it's not /ad
> hominem/ in the least. It's a statement of fact. You are *not* libertarian in
> the least, and you *are* a 100% Trumpswab MAGA ? a neo-Nazi.
>
> I am right about you and the basis for your political "commentary" [sic]. It's
> nothing but clan warfare for you. You are an ardent Trumpswab MAGA, and Biden is
> just in the wrong clan. It's exactly like Hatfields and McCoys with you, or Mark
> Twain's Grangerfords and Shepherdsons (who were modeled after the Hatfields and
> McCoys).


You edit and snip, you cheat. Why listen to you?

[Skeeter]

In article <7%cyN.426920$p%Mb.1...@fx15.iad>,
mike.am...@earthlink.nut says...
>
> On 2/11/2024 3:38 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child

> molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>

> > In article <89byN.70748$SyNd....@fx33.iad>,

> > mike.am...@earthlink.nut says...
> >>
> >> On 2/11/2024 1:12 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>> On 2024-02-11, Michael A Terrell <mike.am...@earthlink.nut> wrote:

> >>>> On 2/11/2024 12:39 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
> >>>>> On 2/11/2024 11:39 AM, Michael A Terrell wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2/11/2024 11:07 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrtreason /tre'z?n/

> >>> noun
> >>>
> >>> The betrayal of allegiance toward one's own country, especially by committing hostile acts
> >>> against it or aiding its enemies in committing such acts.
> >>

> >> Biden hasn't done that. There have been no hostile acts.
> >>
> >>>> [...]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Has a state ever disqualified someone from holding or running for federal office
> >>>>> under 14.3?
> >>>>
> >>>> Utterly irrelevant as to the point of congressional action being needed. Also,
> >>>> 14.3 says an insurrectionist is disqualified from any office, not just federal
> >>>> office.
> >>>>
> >>>> As I said, this decision is going to be completely untethered from the
> >>>> Constitution. The court will be punting on the issue.
> >>>
> >>> An insurrectionist based upon whose decision?
> >>
> >> A competent court's decision.
> >>
> >> Facts:
> >>
> >> * that attack on the Capitol on 01/06/2021 was an insurrection
> >> * Trump organized, financed, incited, directed and engaged in it
> >> * while the insurrection raged, Trump tweeted to the insurrectionists to
> >> encourage them
> >>
> >> Trump engaged in insurrection.
> >
> > No he didn't and
>
> Yes, he did, and you know it. It's settled.

Nope, and he's still ahead in the polls.

[Skeeter]

In article <7%cyN.426920$p%Mb.1...@fx15.iad>,
mike.am...@earthlink.nut says...
>

> On 2/11/2024 3:38 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child

> molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>

Nope and no charges, in the mean time Joe really fucked up. After the
hearing allowed him to get away with a crime and deemed him with "bad
memory" he stood up and proved it to the world. The world is laughing at
us because of people like you.

[Just Wondering]

On 2/11/2024 1:56 PM, Michael A Terrell wrote:
> On 2/11/2024 12:21 PM, pothead wrote:

>> On 2024-02-11, Michael A Terrell <mike.am...@earthlink.nut> wrote:

>>> On 2/11/2024 11:41 AM, Skeeter wrote:

>>>> While Joe gets away with committing crimes.
>>>
>>> No evidence of any Joe Biden crimes.
>>

>> The open border policy is treason.
>

> There is no open border policy.
>

> You don't know what treason is.
>

Giving aid and comfort to an enemy qualifies. Biden's border
policy is directly responsible for fighting-age single men from
Iran and other enemy nations illegally entering the country and
thereby threatening our national security.
Biden abandoning $7 billion worth of modern war arms and
equipment to the Taliban also qualifies.
QED.