Madeleine McCann thought

[Pilotiin]

If Kate and Freemason Brother Gerry McCann killed Madeleine in order to
propitiate the Freemason god Jahbulon, furnish sexual kicks for the
paedophile Freemason Dr David Payne, and propel themselves to the top of a
new bogus Masonic charity supposedly dedicated to finding lost children,
the known facts would be exactly the same, wouldn't they?

Freemasons insist that all their critics and victims and not injured but
suffering from paranoid schizophrenia.

--
Praise be to Jahbulon, holy god of Royal Arch Freemasons
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jahbulon.html

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,
then they fight you, then you win"

[marc_CH]

On 09/11/2011 19:09, Pilotiin wrote:

> If Kate and Freemason Brother Gerry McCann killed Madeleine in order to
> propitiate the Freemason god Jahbulon, furnish sexual kicks for the
> paedophile Freemason Dr David Payne, and propel themselves to the top of a
> new bogus Masonic charity supposedly dedicated to finding lost children,
> the known facts would be exactly the same, wouldn't they?
>
> Freemasons insist that all their critics and victims and not injured but
> suffering from paranoid schizophrenia.

So...Freemasons are completely correct?

--
marc

[Agamemnon]

On 09/11/2011 19:09, Pilotiin wrote:

> If Kate and Freemason Brother Gerry McCann killed Madeleine in order to
> propitiate the Freemason god Jahbulon, furnish sexual kicks for the
> paedophile Freemason Dr David Payne, and propel themselves to the top of a
> new bogus Masonic charity supposedly dedicated to finding lost children,
> the known facts would be exactly the same, wouldn't they?
>
> Freemasons insist that all their critics and victims and not injured but
> suffering from paranoid schizophrenia.

I am deeply fascinated. Please tell me where you got the facts behind
this story.

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 20:48:00 +0000, marc_CH <ma...@crumhorn.org> wrote:

>> If Kate and Freemason Brother Gerry McCann killed Madeleine

Since no such person exists, probably not.

Guy
--
Guy Chapman, http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
The usenet price promise: all opinions are guaranteed
to be worth at least what you paid for them.

[Tony Dragon]

You don't expect him to reveal his *sources* do you?
After all he has never provided proof of anything that he claims.

[Zapp Brannigan]

"Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
news:9i07nf...@mid.individual.net...

The voices, they tell him secrets.

[WrithingHeartStarlight]

Am 09.11.2011 20:09, schrieb Pilotiin:
> If Kate and Freemason Brother Gerry McCann killed Madeleine in order to
> propitiate the Freemason god Jahbulon, furnish sexual kicks for the
> paedophile Freemason Dr David Payne, and propel themselves to the top of a
> new bogus Masonic charity supposedly dedicated to finding lost children,
> the known facts would be exactly the same, wouldn't they?
>
> Freemasons insist that all their critics and victims and not injured but
> suffering from paranoid schizophrenia.
>

You are really insane! You have a twisted logic! I know, because when i
have had an psychotic episode i was the same!

[Pilotiin]

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <usen...@chapmancentral.co.uk> wrote in
news:dpslb79dcsq1jfmvp...@4ax.com:

>>> If Kate and Freemason Brother Gerry McCann killed Madeleine
>
> Since no such person exists, probably not.
>
> Guy

Three people, one of them dead; the other two cashing in on her memory.

[Pilotiin]

Agamemnon <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in
news:9i07nf...@mid.individual.net:

> I am deeply fascinated. Please tell me
> where you got the facts behind this story.

Appeared in the UK media in 2007: this pure Roman Catholic British couple
lost their child in Portugal and the local police were not helpful.

Then turns out their Roman Catholicism began with the disappearance of
their child, and Brother Gerry McCann is a Royal Arch Freemason, banned
from Roman Catholicism with their own god Jahbulon.

Turns out Portuguese Judicial Police had serious problems with the McCann
story. Why, for example, did Kate McCann on discovering the alleged
abduction, leave her two younger children alone rather that report the
incident via cellular telephone or shout from the balcony.

Dogs discover the scent of a dead person in the McCann flat and car they
hired after, but not before, the alleged abduction.

Criticism of the McCann story is subjected to litigation. BBC carries
banning of a McCann critical book, but makes no report when a Portuguese
appeal court lifts that ban.

Media circus goes on and on and . . ..

[Pilotiin]

WrithingHeartStarlight <robert_...@gmx.de> wrote in
news:9i0rqi...@mid.individual.net:

Has it never occurred to the Brotherhood of Freemasons, that the fate of
the late Madeleine McCann has nothing to do with my mental state?

[harry]

On Nov 10, 6:48 am, Pilotiin <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> WrithingHeartStarlight <robert_smrd...@gmx.de> wrote innews:9i0rqi...@mid.individual.net:

>
> >> If Kate and Freemason Brother Gerry McCann killed Madeleine
> >> in order to propitiate the Freemason god Jahbulon, furnish
> >> sexual kicks for the paedophile Freemason Dr David Payne,
> >> and propel themselves to the top of a new bogus Masonic
> >> charity supposedly dedicated to finding lost children, the
> >> known facts would be exactly the same, wouldn't they?
>
> >> Freemasons insist that all their critics and victims and
> >> not injured but suffering from paranoid schizophrenia.
>
> > You are really insane! You have a twisted logic! I know,
> > because when i have had an psychotic episode i was the same!
>
> Has it never occurred to the Brotherhood of Freemasons, that the fate of
> the late Madeleine McCann has nothing to do with my mental state?
>

But your communications here/interpretations of events have.

[sutartsorric]

On Nov 10, 2:39 am, WrithingHeartStarlight <robert_smrd...@gmx.de>
wrote:

Isn't it strange, how as soon as a few key words are the subject of a
thread - posters appear out of the blue who rarely post at all, just
in order to rubbish the OP.

If anyone was only mildly interested in a conspiracy theory, the
reaction of these 'rent-a-denigration' accounts would immediately
raise suspicions that there really was something to hide.

Ok, clever dicks. Tell me why the McCanns left their hire car boot
open every night for about 3 weeks while staying at the villa? Is that
normal behaviour? Or maybe it is some kind of evil Masonic sign which
we angelic folk dont understand?

[Pilotiin]

harry <harol...@aol.com> wrote in
news:b6ad7340-e08a-4ee6...@u6g2000vbg.googlegroups.com:

>> >> If Kate and Freemason Brother Gerry McCann killed Madeleine
>> >> in order to propitiate the Freemason god Jahbulon, furnish
>> >> sexual kicks for the paedophile Freemason Dr David Payne,
>> >> and propel themselves to the top of a new bogus Masonic
>> >> charity supposedly dedicated to finding lost children, the
>> >> known facts would be exactly the same, wouldn't they?
>>
>> >> Freemasons insist that all their critics and victims and
>> >> not injured but suffering from paranoid schizophrenia.
>>
>> > You are really insane! You have a twisted logic! I know,
>> > because when i have had an psychotic episode i was the same!
>>
>> Has it never occurred to the Brotherhood of Freemasons,
>> that the fate of the late Madeleine McCann has nothing
>> to do with my mental state?
>
> But your communications here/interpretations of events have.

You can't explain that comment because it's baseless Masonic abuse.
Accepting the Freemason agenda means homes collapsing, like on the
Freemason Estate in East London, and, inter alia, innocent people hated by
a Freemason being left to drown by the Masonic RNLI.

[WrithingHeartStarlight]

Am 10.11.2011 09:34, schrieb sutartsorric:
> On Nov 10, 2:39 am, WrithingHeartStarlight<robert_smrd...@gmx.de>
> wrote:
>> Am 09.11.2011 20:09, schrieb Pilotiin:
>>
>>> If Kate and Freemason Brother Gerry McCann killed Madeleine in order to
>>> propitiate the Freemason god Jahbulon, furnish sexual kicks for the
>>> paedophile Freemason Dr David Payne, and propel themselves to the top of a
>>> new bogus Masonic charity supposedly dedicated to finding lost children,
>>> the known facts would be exactly the same, wouldn't they?
>>
>>> Freemasons insist that all their critics and victims and not injured but
>>> suffering from paranoid schizophrenia.
>>
>> You are really insane! You have a twisted logic! I know, because when i
>> have had an psychotic episode i was the same!
>
> Isn't it strange, how as soon as a few key words are the subject of a
> thread - posters appear out of the blue who rarely post at all, just
> in order to rubbish the OP.
>

<crap snipped>

You post to a.s.s., su shut up!

[francis]

On Nov 10, 10:56 am, Pilotiin <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> harry <haroldhr...@aol.com> wrote innews:b6ad7340-e08a-4ee6...@u6g2000vbg.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> >> If Kate and Freemason Brother Gerry McCann killed Madeleine
> >> >> in order to propitiate the Freemason god Jahbulon, furnish
> >> >> sexual kicks for the paedophile Freemason Dr David Payne,
> >> >> and propel themselves to the top of a new bogus Masonic
> >> >> charity supposedly dedicated to finding lost children, the
> >> >> known facts would be exactly the same, wouldn't they?
>
> >> >> Freemasons insist that all their critics and victims and
> >> >> not injured but suffering from paranoid schizophrenia.
>
> >> > You are really insane! You have a twisted logic! I know,
> >> > because when i have had an psychotic episode i was the same!
>
> >> Has it never occurred to the Brotherhood of Freemasons,
> >> that the fate of the late Madeleine McCann has nothing
> >> to do with my mental state?
>
> > But your communications here/interpretations of events have.
>
> You can't explain that comment because it's baseless Masonic abuse.
> Accepting the Freemason agenda means homes collapsing, like on the
> Freemason Estate in East London, and, inter alia, innocent people hated by
> a Freemason being left to drown by the Masonic RNLI.
>
> --

> Praise be to Jahbulon, holy god of Royal Arch Freemasonshttp://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jahbulon.html

>
> "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,
>  then they fight you, then you win"

That's a good one, I've noticed how the RNLI go out on their boats
wearing Masonic Aprons & I wondered why they just circled people in
the water till they drown.

Care to explain those comments about the RNLI, or is it just another
figment of your imagination?

[francis]

If the McCanns did leave their car boot open, what has that to do with
Freemasonry?

[Pilotiin]

francis <francis...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:24e5e122-3c41-44ab...@o5g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:

> If the McCanns did leave their car boot open,
> what has that to do with Freemasonry?

Do you mean Kate and Freemason Brother Gerry McCann trying to relieve their
hired car of the cadaver smell of a rotting corpse found by dogs Brother
Gerry McCann claimed were unreliable?

[francis]

On Nov 10, 12:03 pm, Pilotiin <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> francis <francis.mall...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:24e5e122-3c41-44ab...@o5g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > If the McCanns did leave their car boot open,
> > what has that to do with Freemasonry?
>
> Do you mean Kate and Freemason Brother Gerry McCann trying to relieve their
> hired car of the cadaver smell of a rotting corpse found by dogs Brother
> Gerry McCann claimed were unreliable?
>
> --

> Praise be to Jahbulon, holy god of Royal Arch Freemasonshttp://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jahbulon.html

>
> "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,
>  then they fight you, then you win"

No, what I meant was :-

If the McCanns did leave their car boot open,
what has that to do with Freemasonry?

Oh look, that's what I posted you idiot.

[sutartsorric]

I presume that is what Freemasons are good at, lies, deceit, getting
together with friends in order to protect each other even though they
know they have committed a crime, belittling others who suspect a
cover up, etc, etc.

Non masons would not have left their car boot open, because they would
not have been so confident that the investigation would get nowhere.
Non masons do not have this network of dissemblers who will come
together to ensure the evils are maintained as secrets.

When you are so sure of your protection by secret gatherings, you get
just a little over confident, once you have the Tories and UK police
on their side. It was the same with Kenneth Noye, who was so convinced
of his untouchability he started assassinating people at motorway
junctions in broad daylight.

But even after that, he still gets moved to an air conditioned room
with en-suite facilities, TV and a Playstation.

With convicted assassins living in these conditions at taxpayers
expense it is easy to see why others wish to follow their path to
'enlightenment'.

[francis]

On Nov 10, 2:02 pm, sutartsorric <sutartsor...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 10, 1:28 pm, francis <francis.mall...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 10, 12:03 pm, Pilotiin <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > francis <francis.mall...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:24e5e122-3c41-44ab...@o5g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > > If the McCanns did leave their car boot open,
> > > > what has that to do with Freemasonry?
>
> > > Do you mean Kate and Freemason Brother Gerry McCann trying to relieve their
> > > hired car of the cadaver smell of a rotting corpse found by dogs Brother
> > > Gerry McCann claimed were unreliable?
>
> > > --
> > > Praise be to Jahbulon, holy god of Royal Arch Freemasonshttp://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jahbulon.html
>
> > > "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,
> > >  then they fight you, then you win"
>
> > No, what I meant was :-
> > If the McCanns did leave their car boot open,
> > what has that to do with Freemasonry?
>
> > Oh look, that's what I posted you idiot.
>
> I presume that is what Freemasons are good at, lies, deceit, getting
> together with friends in order to protect each other even though they
> know they have committed a crime, belittling others who suspect a
> cover up, etc, etc.
>

What has that got to do with what was posted?

> Non masons would not have left their car boot open, because they would
> not have been so confident that the investigation would get nowhere.
> Non masons do not have this network of dissemblers who will come
> together to ensure the evils are maintained as secrets.
>

Yes, and three + three is 14

> When you are so sure of your protection by secret gatherings, you get
> just a little over confident, once you have the Tories and UK police
> on their side. It was the same with Kenneth Noye, who was so convinced
> of his untouchability he started assassinating people at motorway
> junctions in broad daylight.

Which again has nothing to do with what was posted.

>
> But even after that, he still gets moved to an air conditioned room
> with en-suite facilities, TV and a Playstation.
>

As many do.

> With convicted assassins living in these conditions at taxpayers
> expense it is easy to see why others wish to follow their path to
> 'enlightenment'.

Well I must agree with you that any murderer should not have it so
easy unless there are special circumstances.

[Agamemnon]

On 10/11/2011 06:40, Pilotiin wrote:

> Agamemnon<agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in
> news:9i07nf...@mid.individual.net:
>
>> I am deeply fascinated. Please tell me
>> where you got the facts behind this story.
>
> Appeared in the UK media in 2007: this pure Roman Catholic British couple
> lost their child in Portugal and the local police were not helpful.

I am familiar with the story about Maddy McCann. I was wondering where
the bit about Freemasonary came from.

[Pilotiin]

Agamemnon <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in
news:9i2br8...@mid.individual.net:

> I am familiar with the story about Maddy McCann. I was
> wondering where the bit about Freemasonary came from.

Inter alia, a Freemason.

Brother Gerald Patrick McCann is a Freemason who has used Freemasonry to
conceal the death of his daughter, Madeleine.

[Pilotiin]

sutartsorric <sutart...@googlemail.com> wrote in
news:318cd392-66b5-4284...@c7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com:

> [ . . . ] It was the same with Kenneth Noye, who was

> so convinced of his untouchability he started assassinating
> people at motorway junctions in broad daylight.
>
> But even after that, he still gets moved to an air conditioned
> room with en-suite facilities, TV and a Playstation.
>
> With convicted assassins living in these conditions
> at taxpayers expense it is easy to see why others
> wish to follow their path to 'enlightenment'.

Not keen on "me three" posts but in this case I'd like to make an
exception: very well said.

BTW, he's Worshipful Master Kenneth Noye of Lowdham Grange "holiday camp"
Prison. Otherwise you lead yourself open to the suggestion that you might
think membership in Freemasonry is a matter for shame.

As a prisoner, the murderer Worshipful Master Kenneth Noye enjoys a cell to
himself, complete with a colour television, PlayStation console,
refrigerator and en suite shower.

[Pilotiin]

francis <francis...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:7a3dd723-907a-4b5b...@cu3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:

> What has that got to do with what was posted?

It was a good description of the Madeleine McCann media circus and Masonic
cover-up.

> Yes, and three + three is 14

No, 3 + 3 = 6.

> Which again has nothing to do with what was posted.

He was discussing the privileges enjoyed by Freemasons, for example when
the Portuguese appeal court lifted the injunction on publication of a
McCann critical book, the BBC did not report the fact, though the BBC did
report the imposition of the injunction in the first place.

>> But even after that, he still gets moved to an air conditioned
>> room with en-suite facilities, TV and a Playstation.
>
> As many do.

Simply not true. Most prisoners have to share a cell, without any air
conditioning, no computer of any kind and they use communal showers.

> Well I must agree with you that any murderer should not
> have it so easy unless there are special circumstances.

So why does the murdering Freemason Worshipful Master Kenneth Noye have
life so easy?

All Freemasons are equal, so no Freemason is any better, or worse, than the
murderer Worshipful Master Kenneth Noye.

[Agamemnon]

On 10/11/2011 16:42, Pilotiin wrote:

> Agamemnon<agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in
> news:9i2br8...@mid.individual.net:
>
>> I am familiar with the story about Maddy McCann. I was
>> wondering where the bit about Freemasonary came from.
>
> Inter alia, a Freemason.
>
> Brother Gerald Patrick McCann is a Freemason who has used Freemasonry to
> conceal the death of his daughter, Madeleine.

Yes. But. That 'story' was not in the UK media, as you claim. The
abduction, sure, but the business about him being "a Freemason who has
used Freemasonry to conceal the death of his daughter" is sourced from
where?

[sutartsorric]

On Nov 10, 7:05 pm, Agamemnon <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
> On 10/11/2011 16:42, Pilotiin wrote:
>

> > Agamemnon<agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM>  wrote in

It is sourced from using logic and common sense when reading the
entire translation from the Portugese police reports.

I am sorry to say that most people under 45 can't form an opinion
unless they are told what to believe by newspapers or broadcast media.

[Pilotiin]

Agamemnon <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in news:9i2ljgF30mU1
@mid.individual.net:

> Yes. But. That 'story' was not in the UK media,
> as you claim. The abduction, sure, but the business
> about him being "a Freemason who has used Freemasonry to
> conceal the death of his daughter" is sourced from where?

Freemasonry.

[francis]

On Nov 10, 7:28 pm, sutartsorric <sutartsor...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 10, 7:05 pm, Agamemnon <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 10/11/2011 16:42, Pilotiin wrote:
>
> > > Agamemnon<agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM>  wrote in
> > >news:9i2br8...@mid.individual.net:
>
> > >> I am familiar with the story about Maddy McCann. I was
> > >> wondering where the bit about Freemasonary came from.
>
> > > Inter alia, a Freemason.
>
> > > Brother Gerald Patrick McCann is a Freemason who has used Freemasonry to
> > > conceal the death of his daughter, Madeleine.
>
> > Yes. But. That 'story' was not in the UK media, as you claim. The
> > abduction, sure, but the business about him being "a Freemason who has
> > used Freemasonry to conceal the death of his daughter" is sourced from
> > where?
>
> It is sourced from using logic and common sense when reading the
> entire translation from the Portugese police reports.

After reading those reports, a normal person would be glad that they
do not have that form of logic & common sense.

>
> I am sorry to say that most people under 45 can't form an opinion
> unless they are told what to believe by newspapers or broadcast media.

I am happy to say that most people can form an opinion that is not
blinkered by preconceived ideas.

[Agamemnon]

On 10/11/2011 19:40, Pilotiin wrote:
> Agamemnon<agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in news:9i2ljgF30mU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>> Yes. But. That 'story' was not in the UK media,
>> as you claim. The abduction, sure, but the business
>> about him being "a Freemason who has used Freemasonry to
>> conceal the death of his daughter" is sourced from where?
>
> Freemasonry.

Explain? I mean, I am prepared to believe you but I'd like to know
whence the facts you cite are actually sourced; ie, that he is a
Freemason and that he handed his daughter over to a paedophile and that
he is being protected by some kind of Masonic cabal.

[francis]

On Nov 10, 5:18 pm, Pilotiin <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> francis <francis.mall...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:7a3dd723-907a-4b5b...@cu3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
>
> > What has that got to do with what was posted?
>
> It was a good description of the Madeleine McCann media circus and Masonic
> cover-up.
>

Even if that were true, it still had nothing to do with the post.

> > Yes, and three + three is 14
>
> No, 3 + 3 = 6.
>

Well at least that is mostly true.

> > Which again has nothing to do with what was posted.
>
> He was discussing the privileges enjoyed by Freemasons, for example when
> the Portuguese appeal court lifted the injunction on publication of a
> McCann critical book, the BBC did not report the fact, though the BBC did
> report the imposition of the injunction in the first place.
>

So that was to do with Freemasons, how strange.

> >> But even after that, he still gets moved to an air conditioned
> >> room with en-suite facilities, TV and a Playstation.
>
> > As many do.
>
> Simply not true.  Most prisoners have to share a cell, without any air
> conditioning, no computer of any kind and they use communal showers.
>

As I said, many do.

> > Well I must agree with you that any murderer should not
> > have it so easy unless there are special circumstances.
>
> So why does the murdering Freemason Worshipful Master Kenneth Noye have
> life so easy?
>

I have no idea, is he a Mason?

> All Freemasons are equal, so no Freemason is any better, or worse, than the
> murderer Worshipful Master Kenneth Noye.
>
> --

> Praise be to Jahbulon, holy god of Royal Arch Freemasonshttp://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jahbolon.html

[Pilotiin]

Agamemnon <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in news:9i2oflFov5U1
@mid.individual.net:

> Explain?

A Freemason told me.

> I mean, I am prepared to believe you but I'd like to know
> whence the facts you cite are actually sourced; ie, that
> he is a Freemason and that he handed his daughter over to
> a paedophile and that he is being protected by some kind
> of Masonic cabal.

This page has some information about Brother Gerry McCann and his Freemason
connections.

http://tinyurl.com/5urfnc2

Ultimately, you have to draw your own conclusion from whatever facts you
can garner. Team McCann have many lawyers working together to stop the
truth getting properly into print.

Team McCann also includes Michael Caplan QC, who successfully fought
efforts to extradite General Pinochet from the UK and is an extradition
specialist. Perhaps someone fears extradition back to Portugal?

[marc_CH]

On 10/11/2011 21:03, Pilotiin wrote:

> Agamemnon<agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in news:9i2oflFov5U1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>> Explain?
>
> A Freemason told me.

Who? When? Why?

More to the point, I thought Freemasons 'are all mendacious murdering
5h1ts', according to you. Why believe this one?

> This page has some information about Brother Gerry McCann and his Freemason
> connections.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5urfnc2

This is 'www.gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.com'. I don't
se any attributions here either. Is this stuff actually validated anywhere?

> Ultimately, you have to draw your own conclusion from whatever facts you
> can garner.

If I am going to garner any facts at all I'd prefer to get them from
something other than a Blogspot web site which anyone can post anything
about any subject on.

> Team McCann also includes Michael Caplan QC, who successfully fought
> efforts to extradite General Pinochet from the UK and is an extradition
> specialist. Perhaps someone fears extradition back to Portugal?

I had a lawyer defend me once who had recently successfully defended a
murderer. Did that have anything to do with me? No.

--
marc

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:02:03 +0000, marc_CH <ma...@crumhorn.org> wrote:

>> Team McCann also includes Michael Caplan QC, who successfully fought
>> efforts to extradite General Pinochet from the UK and is an extradition
>> specialist. Perhaps someone fears extradition back to Portugal?
>
>I had a lawyer defend me once who had recently successfully defended a
>murderer. Did that have anything to do with me? No.

Barristers notionally work on the "taxi rank" principle. When a case
comes up, they should take it if they are available. In principle it's
not quite that simple but this is certainly less of an indictment of
McCann than would be, say, hiring Carter-Fuck to sue the libellous
troll Pilotiin into the ground.

Guy
--
Guy Chapman, http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
The usenet price promise: all opinions are guaranteed
to be worth at least what you paid for them.

[Pilotiin]

marc_CH <ma...@crumhorn.org> wrote in
news:9i2vu5...@mid.individual.net:

>> A Freemason told me.
>
> Who?

So you can punish the source?

> When?

Winter.

> Why?

Didn't tell me that. Concern for Brother Gerry McCann, and fear that yet
another Freemason might be convicted of murder, perhaps?

> More to the point, I thought Freemasons 'are all mendacious
> murdering 5h1ts', according to you. Why believe this one?

Surrounding circumstances. I had already heard that Brother Gerry McCann
is a Freemason, so this unprompted revelation was confirming something I
already knew, or suspected. One certainly must form an opinion when
dealing with mendacious murdering 5h1ts, such as Freemasons.

> This is 'www.gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.com'.
> I don't se any attributions here either. Is this stuff
> actually validated anywhere?

You can write to UGLE and ask them to tell you if Brother Gerry McCann is
not a Freemason, enclose a stamped addressed envelope, and when you don't
get any reply, you'll know that Brother Gerry McCann is indeed a Royal Arch
Freemason responsible for his daughter's death.

> If I am going to garner any facts at all I'd prefer to get
> them from something other than a Blogspot web site which
> anyone can post anything about any subject on.

You can write and ask Brother Gerry McCann yourself.

> I had a lawyer defend me once who had recently successfully
> defended a murderer. Did that have anything to do with me? No.

Let me see: you are trying to defend Freemasonry, and Freemasonry has more
than its fair share of murderers, such as Worshipful Master Kenneth Noye,
Brother Vincent Tabak and Brother Harold Shipman, so I'd say you've just
short yourself in the foot.

Did this lawyer who defended you get a lot of business from Freemasons
accused of murder?

[Pilotiin]

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <usen...@chapmancentral.co.uk> wrote in
news:iriob7latp44mjuv5...@4ax.com:

> In principle it's not quite that simple
> but this is certainly less of an indictment
> of McCann than would be, say, hiring Carter-Fuck
> to sue the libellous troll Pilotiin into the
> ground.

Perhaps Team McCann is already suing me for definition of character?

Maybe also Ian Pigslop for saying I can remember when Private Eye was a
decent publication?

[Pilotiin]

francis <francis...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:cd05230f-d962-4a24...@d5g2000yqg.googlegroups.com:

> Even if that were true,
> it still had nothing to do with the post.

Post id <318cd392-66b5-4284...@c7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>
is an excellent post, which can read again by clicking on
http://tinyurl.com/7jyr7jg and people can form their own opinion.

> So that was to do with Freemasons,
> how strange.

So why did BBC give copious coverage to the imposition of a McCann sought
injunction, but ignore its revocation?

>> >> But even after that, he still gets moved to an air conditioned
>> >> room with en-suite facilities, TV and a Playstation.
>>
>> > As many do.

> As I said, many do.

That's not true, but the Freemason prisoner Kenneth Noye does enjoy such
facilities.

> I have no idea, is he a Mason?

Murderer Worshipful Master Kenneth Noye is a Freemason.

--
Praise be to Jahbulon, holy god of Royal Arch Freemasons

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jahbulon.html

[francis]

On Nov 11, 10:11 am, Pilotiin <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> francis <francis.mall...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:cd05230f-d962-4a24...@d5g2000yqg.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Even if that were true,
> > it still had nothing to do with the post.
>

> Post id <318cd392-66b5-4284-82b3-6b4dc296e...@c7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>
> is an excellent post, which can read again by clicking onhttp://tinyurl.com/7jyr7jgand people can form their own opinion.

>
> > So that was to do with Freemasons,
> > how strange.
>
> So why did BBC give copious coverage to the imposition of a McCann sought
> injunction, but ignore its revocation?
>
> >> >> But even after that, he still gets moved to an air conditioned
> >> >> room with en-suite facilities, TV and a Playstation.
>
> >> > As many do.
> > As I said, many do.
>
> That's not true, but the Freemason prisoner Kenneth Noye does enjoy such
> facilities.
>
> > I have no idea, is he a Mason?
>
> Murderer Worshipful Master Kenneth Noye is a Freemason.
>
> --

> Praise be to Jahbulon, holy god of Royal Arch Freemasonshttp://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jahbulon.html

>
> "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,
>  then they fight you, then you win"

Well we know that you can't prove / back up / have any evidence for
any of this, so what conclusion should we draw?

[Pilotiin]

francis <francis...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:8db7dbc1-5f90-4602...@y7g2000vbe.googlegroups.com:

> Well we know that you can't prove / back up / have any
> evidence for any of this, so what conclusion should we draw?

Worshipful Master Kenneth Noye is a Freemason murderer regardless of what I
can or cannot prove.

Were you lying when you told us you could prove that Jahbulon is not the
holy god of Royal Arch Freemasons?

http://tinyurl.com/3qscvcj

[francis]

On Nov 11, 2:43 pm, Pilotiin <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> francis <francis.mall...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:8db7dbc1-5f90-4602...@y7g2000vbe.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Well we know that you can't prove / back up / have any
> > evidence for any of this, so what conclusion should we draw?
>
> Worshipful Master Kenneth Noye is a Freemason murderer regardless of what I
> can or cannot prove.
>
> Were you lying when you told us you could prove that Jahbulon is not the
> holy god of Royal Arch Freemasons?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3qscvcj
>
> --

> Praise be to Jahbulon, holy god of Royal Arch Freemasonshttp://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jahbulon.html

>
> "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,
>  then they fight you, then you win"

Well there is a lie, Kenneth Noye did not murder a Freemason, and the
other question has been answered many times.

[sutartsorric]

It must be really sad when the best you can do is to trawl the
newsgroups looking for grammatical errors to point out and hence boost
your ego.

[Theodore]

You're wasting your time Surely you've worked out he's talking
bollocks yet again.

[francis]

> your ego.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
My ego does not need a boost, but if it did your post would help.

[marc_CH]

On 11/11/2011 09:55, Pilotiin wrote:

> marc_CH<ma...@crumhorn.org> wrote in
> news:9i2vu5...@mid.individual.net:
>
>>> A Freemason told me.
>>
>> Who?
>
> So you can punish the source?

How could I possibly 'punish the source'?

> Didn't tell me that. Concern for Brother Gerry McCann, and fear that yet
> another Freemason might be convicted of murder, perhaps?

Yeah. Perhaps.

>> This is 'www.gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.com'.
>> I don't se any attributions here either. Is this stuff
>> actually validated anywhere?
>
> You can write to UGLE and ask them to tell you if Brother Gerry McCann is
> not a Freemason, enclose a stamped addressed envelope, and when you don't
> get any reply, you'll know that Brother Gerry McCann is indeed a Royal Arch
> Freemason responsible for his daughter's death.

What is 'UGLE'? And why, in the absense of information, do you assume
what you do?

>> I had a lawyer defend me once who had recently successfully
>> defended a murderer. Did that have anything to do with me? No.
>
> Let me see: you are trying to defend Freemasonry, and Freemasonry has more
> than its fair share of murderers, such as Worshipful Master Kenneth Noye,
> Brother Vincent Tabak and Brother Harold Shipman, so I'd say you've just
> short yourself in the foot.

In what way can I possibly be considered to be 'trying to defend
Freemasonry'?

> Did this lawyer who defended you get a lot of business from Freemasons
> accused of murder?

Who mentioned this lawyer and Freemasons?

Jesus wept, you're a one-trick pony aren't you?

--
marc

[Pilotiin]

marc_CH <ma...@crumhorn.org> wrote in
news:9i5407...@mid.individual.net:

>>>> A Freemason told me.
>>>
>>> Who?
>>
>> So you can punish the source?
>
> How could I possibly 'punish the source'?

I seem to recall Freemasons threaten to punish initiates who break their
secret rules by ripping out their tongues. Is that enough?

> What is 'UGLE'? And why, in the absense
> of information, do you assume what you do?

United Grand Lodge of England and I'm trying to answer your questions to
the best of my abilities.

> In what way can I possibly be considered
> to be 'trying to defend Freemasonry'?

By attacking critics and victims of Freemasonry, inter alia, with the
Freemason paranoid schizophrenia allegation.

>> Did this lawyer who defended you get a lot
>> of business from Freemasons accused of murder?
>
> Who mentioned this lawyer and Freemasons?

So the answer to my question is that your defence lawyer specialises in
defending Freemasons accused of murder?

> Jesus wept,
> you're a one-trick pony aren't you?

I do not believe in God, I try not to offend those who do (for example with
blasphemy), and I don't know what you mean by one-trick pony.

[Pilotiin]

Theodore <noe...@noemail.com> wrote in
news:p2iqb7dcmaf9va8ks...@4ax.com:

> You're wasting your time Surely you've worked
> out he's talking bollocks yet again.

Merely trying to help Freemasons understand decency.

[Pilotiin]

sutartsorric <sutart...@googlemail.com> wrote in
news:e9fa7879-a50f-4f9f...@p1g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:

>> > Worshipful Master Kenneth Noye is a Freemason
>> > murderer regardless of what I can or cannot prove.

>> Well there is a lie, Kenneth Noye did not murder a Freemason,
>> and the other question has been answered many times.
>
> It must be really sad when the best you can do is
> to trawl the newsgroups looking for grammatical
> errors to point out and hence boost your ego.

Thanks again, Sutart. Cheers!

[Pilotiin]

francis <francis...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:9c112fc8-1545-4b3e...@g7g2000vbd.googlegroups.com:

> My ego does not need a boost,
> but if it did your post would help.

Inflated self-opinion is the start of paranoia. So much for the Freemason
allegation that all their critics and victims are mentally ill.

[Pilotiin]

"The Todal" <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote in news:9i4i0aFb0fU1
@mid.individual.net:

> Cadaver dogs aren't much use.

Apart from having a 100% reliability record?

Please tell me, The Todal, why do you have sympathy for Labour supporting
Freemason Gerry McCann and his friend former Labour Prime Minister
Freemason Brother James Gordon Brown? Have you suddenly converted to
socialism, or are you obeying your Brotherhood obligation to support your
fellow Freemasons regardless of who they murder, even a 3 year old child?

[marc_CH]

On 11/11/2011 18:18, Pilotiin wrote:
> marc_CH<ma...@crumhorn.org> wrote in
> news:9i5407...@mid.individual.net:
>
>>>>> A Freemason told me.
>>>>
>>>> Who?
>>>
>>> So you can punish the source?
>>
>> How could I possibly 'punish the source'?
>
> I seem to recall Freemasons threaten to punish initiates who break their
> secret rules by ripping out their tongues. Is that enough?

Are you suggesting that I am a Freemason?

>> What is 'UGLE'? And why, in the absense
>> of information, do you assume what you do?
>
> United Grand Lodge of England and I'm trying to answer your questions to
> the best of my abilities.

No, you are avoiding giving direct answers to pretty straightforward
questions. Why?

>> In what way can I possibly be considered
>> to be 'trying to defend Freemasonry'?
>
> By attacking critics and victims of Freemasonry, inter alia, with the
> Freemason paranoid schizophrenia allegation.

I've never accused you of this 'paranoid schizophrenia allegation' you
keep droning about. Why do you assume I am?

*Are* you a paranoid schizophrenic? There you are. A direct yes/no
question for you to answer. Or avoid. Your choice.

>>> Did this lawyer who defended you get a lot
>>> of business from Freemasons accused of murder?
>>
>> Who mentioned this lawyer and Freemasons?
>
> So the answer to my question is that your defence lawyer specialises in
> defending Freemasons accused of murder?

That you have extended my statement to include Freemasons and murder is
a telling statement of your mental condition. It's not enough to simply
say 'Freemasons will say I am crazy' when the plain words you utter are
enough to convince even the most impartial observer that you are off
your tits.

>> Jesus wept,
>> you're a one-trick pony aren't you?
>
> I do not believe in God, I try not to offend those who do (for example with
> blasphemy), and I don't know what you mean by one-trick pony.

It means you do one thing aand one thing only. It seems you are not
even very good at it.

--
marc

[sutartsorric]

On Nov 12, 6:17 pm, marc_CH <m...@crumhorn.org> wrote:
> On 11/11/2011 18:18, Pilotiin wrote:
>

> > marc_CH<m...@crumhorn.org>  wrote in

How do you know how many things he does? Have you any sources for your
allegation?

[Tony Dragon]

If I was a suspicious person, I would say "And now the sock answers"

[Pilotiin]

marc_CH <ma...@crumhorn.org> wrote in
news:9i7rgr...@mid.individual.net:

> I've never accused you of this 'paranoid schizophrenia
> allegation' you keep droning about. Why do you assume I am?

Yes you have, see Message-ID: <9i077d...@mid.individual.net> also at
http://tinyurl.com/72b96hc

>>>> Did this lawyer who defended you get a lot
>>>> of business from Freemasons accused of murder?
>>>
>>> Who mentioned this lawyer and Freemasons?
>>
>> So the answer to my question is that your defence lawyer
>> specialises in defending Freemasons accused of murder?
>
> That you have extended my statement to include Freemasons and
> murder is a telling statement of your mental condition. It's
> not enough to simply say 'Freemasons will say I am crazy' when
> the plain words you utter are enough to convince even the most
> impartial observer that you are off your tits.

That's not true. I was asking you about your lawyer. Ability to twist
another's words to suit one's own purpose is no indication of anything
other than a working and effective mental condition.

> It means you do one thing aand one thing only.
> It seems you are not even very good at it.

Zzzzzz.

[Pilotiin]

sutartsorric <sutart...@googlemail.com> wrote in
news:9c2c1830-bd44-427a...@y12g2000vba.googlegroups.com:

>> It means you do one thing aand one thing only.
>> It seems you are not even very good at it.

> How do you know how many things he does?
> Have you any sources for your allegation?

Quite. Yet again, sutartsorric, you have it exactly right.

[marc_CH]

On 12/11/2011 18:17, marc_CH wrote:
> On 11/11/2011 18:18, Pilotiin wrote:
>> marc_CH<ma...@crumhorn.org> wrote in
>> news:9i5407...@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>>>>> A Freemason told me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who?
>>>>
>>>> So you can punish the source?
>>>
>>> How could I possibly 'punish the source'?
>>
>> I seem to recall Freemasons threaten to punish initiates who break their
>> secret rules by ripping out their tongues. Is that enough?
>
> Are you suggesting that I am a Freemason?

Could you answer this? Are you suggesting that I am a Freemason? And
on what basis?

--
marc

[Pilotiin]

marc_CH <ma...@crumhorn.org> wrote in
news:9i882o...@mid.individual.net:

>>>> How could I possibly 'punish the source'?
>>>
>>> I seem to recall Freemasons threaten to punish
>>> initiates who break their secret rules by ripping
>>> out their tongues. Is that enough?
>>
>> Are you suggesting that I am a Freemason?
>
> Could you answer this?

Yes.

> Are you suggesting that I am a Freemason?

What difference does it make?

> And on what basis?

--

[sutartsorric]

You can call me a sock, a stocking, a pair of tights - I dont really
care.

I neither follow, nor am led by, anyone.

[Tony Dragon]

Ok, you are a stocking. ;-)

[marc_CH]

On 13/11/2011 08:26, Pilotiin wrote:

>> Are you suggesting that I am a Freemason?
>
> What difference does it make?

Is it possible for you to answer a straightforward question *at all*
without prevarication or deflection?

Are you suggesting that I am a Freemason?

--
marc

[marc_CH]

On 12/11/2011 20:02, Pilotiin wrote:

> marc_CH<ma...@crumhorn.org> wrote in
> news:9i7rgr...@mid.individual.net:
>
>> I've never accused you of this 'paranoid schizophrenia
>> allegation' you keep droning about. Why do you assume I am?
>
> Yes you have, see Message-ID:<9i077d...@mid.individual.net> also at
> http://tinyurl.com/72b96hc
>
>>>>> Did this lawyer who defended you get a lot
>>>>> of business from Freemasons accused of murder?
>>>>
>>>> Who mentioned this lawyer and Freemasons?
>>>
>>> So the answer to my question is that your defence lawyer
>>> specialises in defending Freemasons accused of murder?
>>
>> That you have extended my statement to include Freemasons and
>> murder is a telling statement of your mental condition. It's
>> not enough to simply say 'Freemasons will say I am crazy' when
>> the plain words you utter are enough to convince even the most
>> impartial observer that you are off your tits.
>
> That's not true. I was asking you about your lawyer. Ability to twist
> another's words to suit one's own purpose is no indication of anything
> other than a working and effective mental condition.

Well what is 'interesting' is that you seem to be beset by Freemasons at
every angle. You allude to the fact that *I* am one elsewhere, which is
pretty amusing.

You asked me now whether my lawyer 'specialises in defending Freemasons
accused of murder'. Who mentioned any connection between him and Freemasons?

In all candour, do you walk down the street wondering how many people
you pass are Freemasons?

--
marc

[Jahbulon]

marc_CH <ma...@crumhorn.org> wrote in
news:9ia6m6...@mid.individual.net:

> You asked me now whether my lawyer 'specialises
> in defending Freemasons accused of murder'. Who
> mentioned any connection between him and Freemasons?

It was merely a question, but the connection between Freemasonry and murder
is Freemasons are keen on killing others, for example with poison, like
Brother Harold Shipman and Royal Arch Companion Brother Gerry McCann.

> In all candour, do you walk down the street
> wondering how many people you pass are Freemasons?

In all candour, I would have difficulty describing a Freemason as a person.

[Jahbulon]

marc_CH <ma...@crumhorn.org> wrote in news:9ia6ha...@mid.individual.net:

>>> Are you suggesting that I am a Freemason?
>>
>> What difference does it make?
>
> Is it possible for you to answer a straightforward
> question *at all* without prevarication or deflection?

Yes.

> Are you suggesting that I am a Freemason?

No.

I am merely answering your questions and I don't know whether you are or
are not what you describe as a Freemason.

HTH.

[marc_CH]

On 13/11/2011 16:42, Jahbulon wrote:

>> Are you suggesting that I am a Freemason?
>
> No.
>
> I am merely answering your questions and I don't know whether you are or
> are not what you describe as a Freemason.

> HTH.

Yes it does. I am now certain that I'd hate to be you.

--
marc

[marc_CH]

On 13/11/2011 16:38, Jahbulon wrote:

>> In all candour, do you walk down the street
>> wondering how many people you pass are Freemasons?
>
> In all candour, I would have difficulty describing a Freemason as a person.

People <> Persons.

--
marc

[sutartsorric]

On Nov 13, 3:37 pm, marc_CH <m...@crumhorn.org> wrote:

Why would you need to know if someone was suggesting you were a
Freemason?

You make it sound like a criminal activity, either to be one, or to
suggest someone else is one.

You either are a freemason or you are not one - I dont care, and I
dont suppose many other people do either.

What we do care about is having powerful people gather together in
order to corrupt politics, or justice, or deliberately hiding criminal
acts from the wider public.

If Freemasonry is being used in order to facilitate those kinds of
activities then someone within the organisation ought to be blowing a
very loud whistle. If it is not, then there is no reason for any
secrecy whatsoever.

If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

[Jahbulon]

sutartsorric <sutart...@googlemail.com> wrote in news:0c0e3ab8-391a-
4937-b927-3...@o14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:

> Why would you need to know if someone
> was suggesting you were a Freemason?

Helps with the game they like to play where all sorts of people pretend to
support and admire Freemasonry without being a Freemason themselves. One
of these sock puppets could easily be in a luxury prison like murdering
Freemason Worshipful Master Kenneth Noye, or even Brother Anders Behring
Breivik, both of whom still qualify for help from the Freemason Grand
Charity, unlike their victims.

> If you have nothing to hide,
> you have nothing to fear.

So why did Kate and Brother Gerry McCann refuse a polygraph test?

[tomcov]

On Nov 13, 8:29 pm, Jahbulon <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> sutartsorric <sutartsor...@googlemail.com> wrote in news:0c0e3ab8-391a-
> 4937-b927-3fa7f014f...@o14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:

>
> > Why would you need to know if someone
> > was suggesting you were a Freemason?
>
> Helps with the game they like to play where all sorts of people pretend to
> support and admire Freemasonry without being a Freemason themselves.  One
> of these sock puppets could easily be in a luxury prison like murdering
> Freemason Worshipful Master Kenneth Noye, or even Brother Anders Behring
> Breivik, both of whom still qualify for help from the Freemason Grand
> Charity, unlike their victims.
>
> > If you have nothing to hide,
> > you have nothing to fear.
>
> So why did Kate and Brother Gerry McCann refuse a polygraph test?
>
> --

> Praise be to Jahbulon, holy god of Royal Arch Freemasonshttp://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jahbulon.html

>
> "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,
>  then they fight you, then you win"

Has anybody got access to the records of St Thomas's for about 13
years ago?

[marc_CH]

On 13/11/2011 17:49, sutartsorric wrote:

>> Are you suggesting that I am a Freemason?
>>

>> --
>> marc
>
> Why would you need to know if someone was suggesting you were a
> Freemason?

Honest to goodness, this is like talking to ELIZA.

> You make it sound like a criminal activity, either to be one, or to
> suggest someone else is one.

Well, since Freemasons were described as being 'all mendacious murdering
5h1ts' and that the blanket description extends to accusations of
murder, then it would certainly appear he said that being a Freemason is
by extension an illegal act. Of course, he's off his head, but still...

> You either are a freemason or you are not one - I dont care, and I
> dont suppose many other people do either.

Good. Then let's have a game of hide and go shut the fuck up, shall we?

> What we do care about is having powerful people gather together in
> order to corrupt politics, or justice, or deliberately hiding criminal
> acts from the wider public.

Actually, what you have is a wild-eyed conspiracy crackpot off his drugs
by his own admissions who cannot even show that such a situation exists,
far less who is behind it.

> If Freemasonry is being used in order to facilitate those kinds of
> activities then someone within the organisation ought to be blowing a
> very loud whistle. If it is not, then there is no reason for any
> secrecy whatsoever.
>
> If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

Do you have any concept of privacy? If I want to run a private club
then so be it. It has nothing to do with you.

--
marc

[francis]

On Nov 11, 6:21 pm, Pilotiin <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Theodore <noem...@noemail.com> wrote innews:p2iqb7dcmaf9va8ks...@4ax.com:

>
> > You're wasting your time Surely you've worked
> > out he's talking bollocks yet again.
>
> Merely trying to help Freemasons understand decency.
>
> --

> Praise be to Jahbulon, holy god of Royal Arch Freemasonshttp://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jahbulon.html

>
> "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,
>  then they fight you, then you win"

Continually posting lies is hardly decent, as you seem to do it all
the time, you wouldn't understand decency.

[sutartsorric]

Now we are getting somewhere, at last.

So, the masons are a private club run for the benefit of the members.

That explains why there are higher percentages of masons in the
police, judiciary, parliament and the British royal family than
elsewhere.

The above mentioned organisations are private clubs, eh? Nothing to do
with me?
Well thankyou for confirming my suspicions.

[francis]

> years ago?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Why do you ask?

[francis]

On Nov 13, 4:42 pm, Jahbulon <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> marc_CH <m...@crumhorn.org> wrote innews:9ia6ha...@mid.individual.net:

>
> >>> Are you suggesting that I am a Freemason?
>
> >> What difference does it make?
>
> > Is it possible for you to answer a straightforward
> > question *at all* without prevarication or deflection?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Are you suggesting that I am a Freemason?
>
> No.
>
> I am merely answering your questions and I don't know whether you are or
> are not what you describe as a Freemason.
>
> HTH.
>
> --

> Praise be to Jahbulon, holy god of Royal Arch Freemasonshttp://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jahbulon.html

>
> "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,
>  then they fight you, then you win"

Another sock appears.

[francis]

On Nov 13, 3:39 pm, marc_CH <m...@crumhorn.org> wrote:
> On 12/11/2011 20:02, Pilotiin wrote:
>
>
>
>
>

> > marc_CH<m...@crumhorn.org>  wrote in

> >news:9i7rgr...@mid.individual.net:
>
> >> I've never accused you of this 'paranoid schizophrenia
> >> allegation' you keep droning about.  Why do you assume I am?
>

> > Yes you have, see Message-ID:<9i077dF7p...@mid.individual.net>  also at

> >http://tinyurl.com/72b96hc
>
> >>>>> Did this lawyer who defended you get a lot
> >>>>> of business from Freemasons accused of murder?
>
> >>>> Who mentioned this lawyer and Freemasons?
>
> >>> So the answer to my question is that your defence lawyer
> >>> specialises in defending Freemasons accused of murder?
>
> >> That you have extended my statement to include Freemasons and
> >> murder is a telling statement of your mental condition. It's
> >> not enough to simply say 'Freemasons will say I am crazy' when
> >> the plain words you utter are enough to convince even the most
> >> impartial observer that you are off your tits.
>
> > That's not true.  I was asking you about your lawyer.  Ability to twist
> > another's words to suit one's own purpose is no indication of anything
> > other than a working and effective mental condition.
>
> Well what is 'interesting' is that you seem to be beset by Freemasons at
> every angle. You allude to the fact that *I* am one elsewhere, which is
> pretty amusing.
>
> You asked me now whether my lawyer 'specialises in defending Freemasons
> accused of murder'. Who mentioned any connection between him and Freemasons?
>
> In all candour, do you walk down the street wondering how many people
> you pass are Freemasons?
>
> --

> marc- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Everybody who disagrees with him or asks awkward questions are
Freemasons.

[Jahbulon]

francis <francis...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:a47a7f85-4a78-4a7c...@j10g2000vbe.googlegroups.com:

> Everybody who disagrees with him or
> asks awkward questions are Freemasons.

Is the truth that you have desperately tried to find symptoms of mental
illness, and having failed are now plucking them out of your imagination?

[Jahbulon]

marc_CH <ma...@crumhorn.org> wrote in news:9ib0hl...@mid.individual.net:

> Honest to goodness,
> this is like talking to ELIZA.

Is it, is it really? How does that make you feel?

> Of course, he's off his head, but still...

One problem with this allegation is Freemasons admit they accuse all their
critics of being mentally ill.

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.org.freemasonry/msg/0b15171588cb8db6

"Masons have finally started to response to Antis. And we've done so mostly
by pointing out how insane they are and that we are praying for them to
recover their sanity. It's a very effective response."

In fairness, it's not all that effective, is it?

> Actually, what you have is a wild-eyed conspiracy crackpot
> off his drugs by his own admissions who cannot even show
> that such a situation exists, far less who is behind it.

Which drugs and when was this admitted?

> Do you have any concept of privacy? If I want to run a
> private club then so be it. It has nothing to do with you.

A private club for child sex abusers and murderers?

[Jahbulon]

francis <francis...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:f09a80ee-ef95-4b10...@g21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com:

> Another sock appears.

I like it.

[Jahbulon]

francis <francis...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:6308c753-ddd1-46da...@w3g2000vbw.googlegroups.com:

>> Merely trying to help Freemasons understand decency.

> Continually posting lies is hardly decent, as you seem
> to do it all the time, you wouldn't understand decency.

You don't need to accuse me of lying.

How's that for your first lesson in decency?

[Jahbulon]

francis <francis...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:acde5b1b-a08c-4d03...@k10g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:

>> Has anybody got access to the records
>> of St Thomas's for about 13 years ago?

> Why do you ask?

Freemasons routinely gain access to their victims medical records, often
with the help of Freemason doctors, such as Brother Gerry McCann and
Brother Harold Shipman.

[francis]

On Nov 14, 11:04 am, Jahbulon <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> francis <francis.mall...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:6308c753-ddd1-46da...@w3g2000vbw.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> Merely trying to help Freemasons understand decency.
> > Continually posting lies is hardly decent, as you seem
> > to do it all the time, you wouldn't understand decency.
>
> You don't need to accuse me of lying.
>

Indeed, that is obvious to all who read your posts.

> How's that for your first lesson in decency?
>

Not that good, to be honest.

> --
> Praise be to Jahbulon, holy god of Royal Arch Freemasonshttp://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jahbulon.html

[Jahbulon]

francis <francis...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:39e29ec5-5ff9-430d...@g21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com:

> Not that good, to be honest.

That makes a change, for a Brother Freemason.

[sutartsorric]

On Nov 14, 4:05 pm, francis <francis.mall...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 14, 11:04 am, Jahbulon <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > francis <francis.mall...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:6308c753-ddd1-46da...@w3g2000vbw.googlegroups.com:
>
> > >> Merely trying to help Freemasons understand decency.
> > > Continually posting lies is hardly decent, as you seem
> > > to do it all the time, you wouldn't understand decency.
>
> > You don't need to accuse me of lying.
>
> Indeed, that is obvious to all who read your posts.
>
> > How's that for your first lesson in decency?
>
> Not that good, to be honest.
>

But surely the biggest lie is in the name.

Freemasons are not free, nor ever wil be. They are even less free to
express themselves than ordinary members of the public.

Maybe certain masons mentioned above considered themselves free to
kill people, because they were buoyed up by the brotherhood, but
really they should be re-named.

How about Free_to_murder_masons?

Free_to_sexually_abuse_children_masons?

Not_free_to_report_their_criminal_brothers_masons?

In other words

Free_to_be_shitty_little_wimps_of_the_human_race_masons?

They may have the power and they may have the money, but they will
never ever have the morality.

[marc_CH]

On 14/11/2011 09:56, sutartsorric wrote:

>> Do you have any concept of privacy? If I want to run a private club
>> then so be it. It has nothing to do with you.
>>
>> --
>> marc
>
> Now we are getting somewhere, at last.
>
> So, the masons are a private club run for the benefit of the members.

Probably, yes.

> That explains why there are higher percentages of masons in the
> police, judiciary, parliament and the British royal family than
> elsewhere.
>
> The above mentioned organisations are private clubs, eh? Nothing to do
> with me?

No. Do try again. If one is a member of one organisation with rules set
out for its membership then it doesn't follow (in any sane mind, of
course) that one's profession is the same thing with the same rules.

This is called 'reasoning'. You and it appear to be strangers.

> Well thankyou for confirming my suspicions.

You've confirmed mine, certainly.

--
marc

[marc_CH]

On 14/11/2011 11:01, Jahbulon wrote:

>> Of course, he's off his head, but still...
>
> One problem with this allegation is Freemasons admit they accuse all their
> critics of being mentally ill.

Well, it is always possible *not* to be a Freemason *and* to think you
are batshit crazy, you know.

>> Do you have any concept of privacy? If I want to run a
>> private club then so be it. It has nothing to do with you.
>
> A private club for child sex abusers and murderers?

*All* Freemasons are "child sex abusers and murderers", are they?

--
marc

[Tony Dragon]

On 14/11/2011 10:48, Jahbulon wrote:
> francis<francis...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:a47a7f85-4a78-4a7c...@j10g2000vbe.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Everybody who disagrees with him or
>> asks awkward questions are Freemasons.
>
> Is the truth that you have desperately tried to find symptoms of mental
> illness, and having failed are now plucking them out of your imagination?
>

No, I think what Francis is referring to, is the fact that people who
argue with you are then told that they are Masons, by you.

[Tony Dragon]

On 14/11/2011 11:14, Jahbulon wrote:
> francis<francis...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:acde5b1b-a08c-4d03...@k10g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>
>>> Has anybody got access to the records
>>> of St Thomas's for about 13 years ago?
>
>> Why do you ask?
>
> Freemasons routinely gain access to their victims medical records, often
> with the help of Freemason doctors, such as Brother Gerry McCann and
> Brother Harold Shipman.
>

Have Masons got access to your medical records?

[Tony Dragon]

On 14/11/2011 16:54, Jahbulon wrote:
> francis<francis...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:39e29ec5-5ff9-430d...@g21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Not that good, to be honest.
>
> That makes a change, for a Brother Freemason.
>

I think you just made my point about you calling people who argue with
you Masons.

[Tony Dragon]

Perhaps you should check the origins of the word Freemason.

[Jahbulon]

Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:pOOdna6Qe6pv-lzT...@bt.com:

>>> Everybody who disagrees with him or
>>> asks awkward questions are Freemasons.
>>
>> Is the truth that you have desperately tried
>> to find symptoms of mental illness, and having
>> failed are now plucking them out of your
>> imagination?
>
> No, I think what Francis is referring to, is the fact that people
> who argue with you are then told that they are Masons, by you.

What does that have to do with mental illness?

Do try to keep-up at the back.

[Jahbulon]

Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in

news:pOOdnamQe6rM9VzT...@bt.com:

>> Freemasons routinely gain access to their victims
>> medical records, often with the help of Freemason
>> doctors, such as Brother Gerry McCann and Brother
>> Harold Shipman.
>
> Have Masons got access to your medical records?

I don't know what Freemasons are doing, do I?

[Jahbulon]

marc_CH <ma...@crumhorn.org> wrote in news:9id3b5...@mid.individual.net:

>> So, the masons are a private club
>> run for the benefit of the members.
>
> Probably, yes.

Are not Freemasons supposed to be a charity run to benefit all society?

>> That explains why there are higher percentages
>> of masons in the police, judiciary, parliament
>> and the British royal family than elsewhere.
>>
>> The above mentioned organisations are private
>> clubs, eh? Nothing to do with me?
>
> No. Do try again. If one is a member of one organisation
> with rules set out for its membership then it doesn't
> follow (in any sane mind, of course) that one's profession
> is the same thing with the same rules.

You seem to having problems with the question, which about Freemason
influence in areas of our society, such as Police, judiciary, Parliament
and the British Royal Family. I walked passed a police station with a
Freemason's car parked outside this afternoon.

> This is called 'reasoning'.
> You and it appear to be strangers.

More baseless abuse?

[Jahbulon]

marc_CH <ma...@crumhorn.org> wrote in
news:9id3es...@mid.individual.net:

> Well, it is always possible *not* to be a Freemason
> *and* to think you are batshit crazy, you know.

No it is not.

>> A private club for child sex abusers and murderers?
>
> *All* Freemasons are "child sex
> abusers and murderers", are they?

Let me see: all Freemasons are equal and they must perjure themselves in
defence of each other, so my answer would have to be if there is one, then
all Freemasons are; and there is more than one, so they all are.

[Tony Dragon]

On 14/11/2011 19:35, Jahbulon wrote:
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:pOOdna6Qe6pv-lzT...@bt.com:
>
>>>> Everybody who disagrees with him or
>>>> asks awkward questions are Freemasons.
>>>
>>> Is the truth that you have desperately tried
>>> to find symptoms of mental illness, and having
>>> failed are now plucking them out of your
>>> imagination?
>>
>> No, I think what Francis is referring to, is the fact that people
>> who argue with you are then told that they are Masons, by you.
>
> What does that have to do with mental illness?
>
> Do try to keep-up at the back.
>

Nothing at all, but Francis said nothing about mental illness, so your
attempt to change the thread has not worked.

[Tony Dragon]

On 14/11/2011 19:37, Jahbulon wrote:
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:pOOdnamQe6rM9VzT...@bt.com:
>
>>> Freemasons routinely gain access to their victims
>>> medical records, often with the help of Freemason
>>> doctors, such as Brother Gerry McCann and Brother
>>> Harold Shipman.
>>
>> Have Masons got access to your medical records?
>
> I don't know what Freemasons are doing, do I?
>

Well from your post you say you do know.
But you did not give a straight answer to the question, so I will ask it
another way.

Do you know if Freemasons have access to your medical records?

Answer yes or no.

[Tony Dragon]

On 14/11/2011 19:53, Jahbulon wrote:
> marc_CH<ma...@crumhorn.org> wrote in
> news:9id3es...@mid.individual.net:
>
>> Well, it is always possible *not* to be a Freemason
>> *and* to think you are batshit crazy, you know.
>
> No it is not.
>
>>> A private club for child sex abusers and murderers?
>>
>> *All* Freemasons are "child sex
>> abusers and murderers", are they?
>
> Let me see: all Freemasons are equal and they must perjure themselves in
> defence of each other, so my answer would have to be if there is one, then
> all Freemasons are; and there is more than one, so they all are.
>

Are Freemasons expected to prefer fellow Masons at the expense of others
in giving jobs, promotions, contracts and the like?

Absolutely not. That would be a misuse of membership and subject to
Masonic discipline. On his entry into Freemasonry each candidate states
unequivocally that he expects no material gain from his membership. At
various stages during the three ceremonies of his admission and when he
is presented with a certificate from Grand Lodge that the admission
ceremonies have been completed, he is forcefully reminded that attempts
to gain preferment or material gain for himself or others is a misuse of
membership which will not be tolerated. The Book of Constitutions, which
every candidate receives, contains strict rules governing abuse of
membership which can result in penalties varying from temporary
suspension to expulsion.

[Jahbulon]

Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in

news:ie6dnQ1ZBJmj4VzT...@bt.com:

>>>>> Everybody who disagrees with him or
>>>>> asks awkward questions are Freemasons.
>>>>
>>>> Is the truth that you have desperately
>>>> tried to find symptoms of mental illness,
>>>> and having failed are now plucking them
>>>> out of your imagination?
>>>
>>> No, I think what Francis is referring to, is the fact that people
>>> who argue with you are then told that they are Masons, by you.
>>
>> What does that have to do with mental illness?
>>
>> Do try to keep-up at the back.
>
> Nothing at all, but Francis said nothing about mental illness,
> so your attempt to change the thread has not worked.

Have a look at the questions and see if you have ever had anything to
contribute at all ever.

[Jahbulon]

Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in

news:ie6dnQxZBJlA4VzT...@bt.com:

> Well from your post you say you do know.
> But you did not give a straight answer to
> the question, so I will ask it another way.
>
> Do you know if Freemasons have
> access to your medical records?

At 2102 14.11.2011?

> Answer yes or no.

Did you say please?

[Jahbulon]

Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in

news:b_mdnbA_IM7A41zT...@bt.com:

> Are Freemasons expected to prefer fellow Masons at the expense
> of others in giving jobs, promotions, contracts and the like?

And the saving of lives: the answer is yes.

> Absolutely not. That would be a misuse of membership and
> subject to Masonic discipline. On his entry into
> Freemasonry each candidate states unequivocally that he
> expects no material gain from his membership. At various
> stages during the three ceremonies of his admission and
> when he is presented with a certificate from Grand Lodge
> that the admission ceremonies have been completed, he is
> forcefully reminded that attempts to gain preferment or
> material gain for himself or others is a misuse of
> membership which will not be tolerated. The Book of
> Constitutions, which every candidate receives, contains
> strict rules governing abuse of membership which can
> result in penalties varying from temporary suspension
> to expulsion.

I note your comments, and it may be all sorts of things, but it, and worse,
happens.

[sutartsorric]

On Nov 14, 8:47 pm, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 14/11/2011 19:53, Jahbulon wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> > marc_CH<m...@crumhorn.org>  wrote in

What a complete load of shit


If you were in front of a board of 3 masons, do you think they would
reject you after shaking hands with every other applicant?

[Tony Dragon]

On 14/11/2011 21:03, Jahbulon wrote:
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:ie6dnQxZBJlA4VzT...@bt.com:
>
>> Well from your post you say you do know.
>> But you did not give a straight answer to
>> the question, so I will ask it another way.
>>
>> Do you know if Freemasons have
>> access to your medical records?
>
> At 2102 14.11.2011?
>
>> Answer yes or no.
>
> Did you say please?
>

Evasion noted, and expected.

[marc_CH]

On 14/11/2011 19:53, Jahbulon wrote:

> marc_CH<ma...@crumhorn.org> wrote in
> news:9id3es...@mid.individual.net:
>
>> Well, it is always possible *not* to be a Freemason
>> *and* to think you are batshit crazy, you know.
>
> No it is not.

Well, I am certain you are insane and I am certainly not a Freemason. QED.

>>> A private club for child sex abusers and murderers?
>>
>> *All* Freemasons are "child sex
>> abusers and murderers", are they?
>
> Let me see: all Freemasons are equal and they must perjure themselves in
> defence of each other, so my answer would have to be if there is one, then
> all Freemasons are; and there is more than one, so they all are.

That does not answer the question. Then again, this is not news.

--
marc

[tomcov]

On Nov 13, 5:35 pm, marc_CH <m...@crumhorn.org> wrote:
> On 13/11/2011 16:42, Jahbulon wrote:
>
> >> Are you suggesting that I am a Freemason?
>
> > No.
>
> > I am merely answering your questions and I don't know whether you are or
> > are not what you describe as a Freemason.
> > HTH.
>
> Yes it does. I am now certain that I'd hate to be you.
>
> --
> marc

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