Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss

Biblical Origins

0 views
Skip to first unread message

I, Savant

unread,
Feb 14, 2002, 8:43:27 PM2/14/02
to
Biblical Origins

It is well-known to many Biblical researchers that most of the Old Testament
comes from other, more ancient, writings. Even Jewish writers admit that most of
the ³Hebrew² writings were merely taken freely from Sumerian, Babylonian, and
Egyptian sources. The story of Noah comes from the Sumerian legend of Gilgamesh.
The Psalms were taken word for word from Akhenaton's Hymns to the Sun, written
600 years earlier in Egypt. Horace Meyer Kallen, a professor at the Jewish New
School of Social Research, said that the Book of Job was lifted bodily from an
early and obscure Greek play. Scientist and author Immanuel Velikovsky has
admitted that there are ³many parallels² between the Vedic Hymns and the Books
of Joel and Isaiah. The Ten Commandments were taken wholly from the Egyptian
Book of the Dead. And so on through the books of the Old Testament.

Research into the ancient writings of the peoples/nations mentioned in the Old
Testament produces a different story than what is found in the writings of the
Old Testament, and the story of Moses is a most interesting exemplification. In
Egyptian writings, the Hebrews were known as the ³Habiru,² meaning the cutthroat
bandits across the river, who were considered criminals and raiders by the
Egyptian people. Eventually, some of the Habiru were allowed to trade and settle
in Egypt, and when the people known to history as the Hyksos came to invade
Egypt, the Habiru had betrayed the Egyptians and helped the Hyksos enslave Egypt
for many years. Subsequently, when the Egyptians threw off the Hyksos yoke, the
people demanded that the Habiru subversives, spies, and traitors who had aided
the Hyksos and who, by the law of nations, were deserving of the death penalty,
be allowed to live but instead be imprisoned/enslaved for their treason, and it
was Moses who helped free the treacherous and treasonous Habiru from their
punishment.

Worshipers of the Bible assert that it was Moses himself who wrote the original
five books of the Old Testament, known as the Torah, however, a new school of
research has determined that it was the ³prophet² Ezra who redacted and compiled
the works of several ancient authors (none of whom was actually Moses) into what
became the Torah, and brought it back into Palestine with him when he returned
from the Babylonian captivity. The details behind this theory are contained
within what is known as the ³Documentary Hypothesis,² and the ³Documentary
Hypothesis² is explored fully and in detail in the book ³Who Wrote the Bible?²
by Richard Elliot Friedmann, and also in the book ³The Book of J².

Documentary Hypothesis; Who Wrote The 5 Books of Moses? -
http://religioustolerance.org/chr_tora.htm

Who wrote the Bible? -
http://lns-earth.mit.edu/~alford/bible.html

Who Wrote the Bible -
http://www.meru.org/Bible/whowrote.html

"Who Wrote The Bible?" by Richard Elliot Friedmann -
http://www.california.com/~rpcman/FRIEDMAN.HTM

Many people who believe they are following the teachings of the Old Testament,
are actually instead following the teachings of the rabbis, known as the Talmud.
This is because "The Talmud is the central pillar supporting the entire
spiritual and intellectual edifice of Jewish life" as quoted from Rabbi Adin
Steinsaltz in the ³Introduction² to the edition "The Talmud; The Steinsaltz
Edition, A Reference Guide" (Israel Institute for Talmudic Publications, 1989),
and as well-known by all rabbis who train to teach the Jewish religion to their
followers.

Talmudic Exegesis and Judaism -
http://www.hoffman-info.com/talmudic.html

The Talmud: Judaism's holiest book documented and exposed -
http://home.columbus.rr.com/fnfal308/The%20Talmud%20Exposed.html

The Talmud Unmasked -
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/talmudx.htm

The Truth About the Talmud: Judaism's Holiest Book -
http://www.hoffman-info.com/talmudtruth.html

And although many Jewish researchers have labored long and hard to hide the true
origin of the Jewish religion, that origin can now be discerned and conveyed to
people who are interested in having that knowledge. From the information
available (much of it stemming from the clay tablets of the ancient Sumerians),
it can be discerned that the people who became known as the ³Hebrews² were
originally part of the priestly caste of the ancient Sumerian civilization.
Originally charged with leading the spiritual education and direction of the
ancient Sumerians, as the Sumerian civilization decayed after the ³flood,² so
did the Hebrew priestly caste, and the Hebrews, like so many priestly castes
throughout history, eventually degraded into human sacrifice and human blood
drinking in their rituals. The Hebrew priestly caste, when their crimes were
discovered and proven, were eventually cast out and expelled from Sumeria, and
Abraham led one of the sects of this caste across the Middle East and eventually
into Palestine, where Biblical history as we know it takes over.

Some of the proof behind these conclusions can be found in the admissions of the
rabbis in the text of the new Jewish ritual entitled Brit Shalom (designed by a
Jewish parent in consultation with his rabbi to be a substitute for the blood
rite of infant circumcision), which contains the following; "Historians tell us
that both the priestly animal sacrifice and the blood rite of circumcision
replaced an earlier practice of human sacrifice. Instead of giving up the male
child's life itself to God, the Jews began to offer up the blood of
circumcision," with the blood drinking rite being passed into circumcision
through the stage of that initiation ritual known as "mezizah," however, also
retained by a Cabalistic sect of the Hebrews through the practice known as
³Jewish Ritual Murder.²

Brit Shalom -
http://www.nocirc.org/religion/Naming ceremony.html

Mezizah -
http://www.universalway.org/circtruth.html#Mezizah

Ritual Murder Online Resource Library -
http://www.ritualmurder.org/id3.htm

History of Jewish Ritual Murder -
http://christianbiblestudy.org/MOS/_MOSOPS/jrm.html

Apparently, human sacrifice (aka ritual murder) is a time-honored human
tradition. The Thuggee in India, the Aztecs in Central America, the Celts/Druids
at Stonehenge, the ancient Mayans of Central America in their "Lost City of
Gold," the secret society of the Anasazi Indians in the Four Corners region of
the United States, and partial-birth abortion in the United States and other
"civilized" nations, are all well-known and well-attested examples of this
unique tradition, not to mention the well-known historical Jewish contribution
to this terrible practice.

Specifically, the teachings of a sect of the Sumerian priests known as the Order
of Melchizedek has subsequently infiltrated themselves into many of the western
religions of the world, and the initiates of this order are secretly carrying
out their own plan for the future of the human race, which must be described as
having a distinctly ³Zionist² flavor.

Dominion of Melchizedek -
http://www.melchizedek.com/

Melchizedek Priesthood -
http://www.mormons.org/basic/organization/priesthood/melchizedek/

World Light Fellowship - The Order of Melchizedek -
http://www.worldlightcenter.com/melchizk/melchtop.htm

Zionism is the racist belief that the ³Jewish² people (alternately, the
descendants of the priestly caste of Sumeria) deserve to rule the world from the
state of Israel restored and are the ³Chosen People² of God in the world and a
divine race of God, while all other people are sub-human beasts. Furthermore,
when the truth about ³Jesus Christ² is known, it will also be found that
³Zionism² must also include anyone who believes that the real person of ³Jesus
Christ² was also a Jew.

Research presented by Jewish sources reports that the books of the New Testament
of the Bible were actually authored by a Roman aristocratic banking family with
a surname of ³Piso². The Pisos authored the New Testament as an attempt to
destroy Orthodox Pharisaic Judaism by creating a religion that offered a
solution to the Jewish problem in the Roman empire and the world. At the same
time, the presenters of this information, obviously Jewish, clearly are
prejudicial and misrepresent the position of Judaism on many other subjects,
specifically slavery and the Jewish holocaust, however, such prejudices are
expected considering the source.

THE TRUE AUTHORSHIP OF THE NEW TESTAMENT -
http://members.tripod.com/ReuchlinA/

ROMAN PISO FAMILY WROTE THE NEW TESTAMENT, INVENTED "JESUS" -
http://www.konformist.com/blasphemy/piso.htm

The Myth of the Historical Veracity of Jesus -
http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/mine/jesus_myth.htm

Furthermore, the Talmud refers to a Yeshua Ben Pandeira, which the Jewish rabbis
report as being the person whom they conclude is the ³Jesus Christ² of the New
Testament, however, Jewish historians report that this Ben Pandeira lived in a
time before the era that Jesus Christ was reported as having lived.
Additionally, modern-day Theosophists report that on August 22, 7 B.C. (by our
present calendar, smoothed, corrected, and projected into the past, and
accounting for the errors of previous calendars used), by the placement of the
stars in the sky, a person could have been born that changed the world, and many
Theosophists claim that this person was actually known as ³Apollonius of Tyana,²
and who was actually a ³Gnostic Christian² by his theological beliefs.

Apollonius of Tyana -
http://www.occultopedia.com/a/apollonius_of_tyana.htm
Apollonius of Tyana is claimed by many researchers to have been the true
historical personage upon which the life of Jesus Christ and the New Testament
were based, claims which many other people consider to be of the highest
sacrilege and blasphemy.

The Origins of Christianity and the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ -
http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm

Apollonius -
http://www.shambhallah.com.au/Apollonius.htm

Apollonius of Tyana -
http://www.livius.org/ap-ark/apollonius/apollonius01.html

Great Theosophists--Apollonius of Tyana -
http://www.wisdomworld.org/setting/apollonius.html

The Life of Apollonius of Tyana - Philostratus {220 AD} -
http://www.magna.com.au/~prfbrown/a_tyana0.html

Apollonius of Tyana: The Wandering Spiritual Alchemist of the First Century -
http://www.alchemylab.com/apollonius.htm

So while ³Jesus Christ² can not be truthfully found in the records of history,
it can easily be concluded that the character ³Jesus the Nazarene² of the New
Testament was based on a compendium of Yeshua Ben Pandeira and Apollonius of
Tyana, and which is really not a bad thing either, since the teachings of ³Jesus
Christ² are, when applied in a manner that does no harm to any other people for
their own beliefs, perhaps as good a set of teachings as any in the world today,
and throughout history. However, while surely not a bad thing when applied with
compassion, Christianity is, nonetheless, as much as Judaism, based on a lie.

So all of this heinous deception stems from one big lie; the Old Testament, and
it is one big Jewish Lie. And anybody who desires to call themselves
"illuminated" must surely have knowledge of this lie. And it is a lie to which
Christianity and Islam have also fallen prey as well, where they attach their
roots to Judaism and to the Old Testament, and where their desired result in the
world has a distinctly ³Zionist² flavor to that result.

-----------
Michael
http://www.universalway.org/
-----------

Richard White

unread,
Feb 14, 2002, 11:10:53 PM2/14/02
to
I don't know why - but for some reason when I reply to the message below the
normal " >" indentation doesn't occur. So please bear with the following
text:-

"I, Savant" <isa...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3JZa8.9551$P21.8...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
Biblical Origins

It is well-known to many Biblical researchers that most of the Old Testament
comes from other, more ancient, writings.

[...snipped...]

RW: In other words, this is a religious posting.
RW: Please in future post it to alt.religion
RW: Thank You!!

RW: As an aside, to fellow Freemasons, what *IS* it about religious nutters
RW: and bigots that they have to post their religious (and often bigoted
RW: and/or racist) rantings in masonic newsgroups ???

Apparently, human sacrifice (aka ritual murder) is a time-honored human

tradition. [..snipped..] partial-birth abortion in the United States and


other
"civilized" nations, are all well-known and well-attested examples of this

unique tradition, [..snipped..]

RW: I have NEVER heard of any rational person claiming that abortion
RW: (legal or otherwise) is the conduct of human sacrifice in the course
RW: of religious practice/worship.

RW: Yet again .... what has all this to do with Freemasonry?


[...snippped...]
Zionism is the racist belief that the łJewish˛ people (alternately, the


descendants of the priestly caste of Sumeria) deserve to rule the world from
the

state of Israel restored and are the łChosen People˛ of God in the world and


a
divine race of God, while all other people are sub-human beasts.

RW: Yet again we see a religious (or ostensibly religious poster) start off
a
RW: post with what *appears* to be reasoned argument, well researched
factual
RW: data - only to descend into false accusations.

RW: Yet again .... what has all this to do with Freemasonry?

[...snipped...]
So while łJesus Christ˛ can not be truthfully found in the records of
history,
it can easily be concluded that the character łJesus the Nazarene˛ of the


New
Testament was based on a compendium of Yeshua Ben Pandeira and Apollonius of

Tyana, [..snipped..]

RW: .... and yet more garbage <lol> ....

RW: Yet again .... what has all this to do with Freemasonry?

[...snipped...]

S & F Regards,

Richard White

WM Old Olavians Lodge No. 5758
JW/PM Addington Lodge No. 5080
"H" Haroldslea Chapter No. 7328
UGLE (incl. SGC)

SD/PM H.A. Mann Lodge of MMM No. 1197
GLMMME

http://www.geocities.com/freemasonry_masons/

Balboos

unread,
Feb 15, 2002, 8:22:01 AM2/15/02
to
Prior to a reply, I inspected the website link that was below the original
sender's name. It explains a lot. (UFO, anti-Circumcision, pro-Guns, etc.)

What we have here, at best, is the type of person who has an opinion, and
then searches for any source, no matter how reputable or questionable, that
proves there points, and disreguards any others. The rational is that the
others are (as in the case of the massive thread-starting post) lies.

Logically, this is self-referential, and of no worth. Sadly, the subculture
of such people reference one another, building up a body of literature - a
true house of cards - sustained by their personal beliefes (rather than
factual information, except as suits them). A mixture of fiction, spiced
with the odd fact, here and there, to make it appear credible.

Under ordinary situations, these people, with, shall we say, "X-File"
mentalities, are pathetic. In this case, however, we should look a little
further.

The bent of the website, and of the posting, clearly show this person to
have sympathetic leanings to rightwing Christian fringes.movements. The
selection has the obvious motive of defaming Judaism. To add a little
credibility, it take a swing at Christianity and Islam, but their only
mentioned to add the appearance of honesty and feebly try to shield the
actual target of the post.

No need to further analyze a rather boring piece of propaganda. I suggest
the author limiting his posting to such sites as others of his/her type can
stroke one another by sharing their mutual hate.

Balboos HaGadol

--


"I, Savant" <isa...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3JZa8.9551$P21.8...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...

Biblical Origins

It is well-known to many Biblical researchers that most of the Old Testament
comes from other, more ancient, writings. Even Jewish writers admit that
most of

the łHebrew˛ writings were merely taken freely from Sumerian, Babylonian,


and
Egyptian sources. The story of Noah comes from the Sumerian legend of
Gilgamesh.
The Psalms were taken word for word from Akhenaton's Hymns to the Sun,
written
600 years earlier in Egypt. Horace Meyer Kallen, a professor at the Jewish
New
School of Social Research, said that the Book of Job was lifted bodily from
an
early and obscure Greek play. Scientist and author Immanuel Velikovsky has

admitted that there are łmany parallels˛ between the Vedic Hymns and the


Books
of Joel and Isaiah. The Ten Commandments were taken wholly from the Egyptian
Book of the Dead. And so on through the books of the Old Testament.

Research into the ancient writings of the peoples/nations mentioned in the
Old
Testament produces a different story than what is found in the writings of
the
Old Testament, and the story of Moses is a most interesting exemplification.
In

Egyptian writings, the Hebrews were known as the łHabiru,˛ meaning the


cutthroat
bandits across the river, who were considered criminals and raiders by the
Egyptian people. Eventually, some of the Habiru were allowed to trade and
settle
in Egypt, and when the people known to history as the Hyksos came to invade
Egypt, the Habiru had betrayed the Egyptians and helped the Hyksos enslave
Egypt
for many years. Subsequently, when the Egyptians threw off the Hyksos yoke,
the
people demanded that the Habiru subversives, spies, and traitors who had
aided
the Hyksos and who, by the law of nations, were deserving of the death
penalty,
be allowed to live but instead be imprisoned/enslaved for their treason, and
it
was Moses who helped free the treacherous and treasonous Habiru from their
punishment.

Worshipers of the Bible assert that it was Moses himself who wrote the
original
five books of the Old Testament, known as the Torah, however, a new school
of

research has determined that it was the łprophet˛ Ezra who redacted and


compiled
the works of several ancient authors (none of whom was actually Moses) into
what
became the Torah, and brought it back into Palestine with him when he
returned
from the Babylonian captivity. The details behind this theory are contained

within what is known as the łDocumentary Hypothesis,˛ and the łDocumentary
Hypothesis˛ is explored fully and in detail in the book łWho Wrote the
Bible?˛
by Richard Elliot Friedmann, and also in the book łThe Book of J˛.

Documentary Hypothesis; Who Wrote The 5 Books of Moses? -
http://religioustolerance.org/chr_tora.htm

"Who Wrote The Bible?" by Richard Elliot Friedmann -
http://www.california.com/~rpcman/FRIEDMAN.HTM

Many people who believe they are following the teachings of the Old
Testament,
are actually instead following the teachings of the rabbis, known as the
Talmud.
This is because "The Talmud is the central pillar supporting the entire
spiritual and intellectual edifice of Jewish life" as quoted from Rabbi Adin

Steinsaltz in the łIntroduction˛ to the edition "The Talmud; The Steinsaltz


Edition, A Reference Guide" (Israel Institute for Talmudic Publications,
1989),
and as well-known by all rabbis who train to teach the Jewish religion to
their
followers.

Talmudic Exegesis and Judaism -
http://www.hoffman-info.com/talmudic.html

The Talmud: Judaism's holiest book documented and exposed -
http://home.columbus.rr.com/fnfal308/The%20Talmud%20Exposed.html

The Truth About the Talmud: Judaism's Holiest Book -
http://www.hoffman-info.com/talmudtruth.html

And although many Jewish researchers have labored long and hard to hide the
true
origin of the Jewish religion, that origin can now be discerned and conveyed
to
people who are interested in having that knowledge. From the information
available (much of it stemming from the clay tablets of the ancient
Sumerians),

it can be discerned that the people who became known as the łHebrews˛ were


originally part of the priestly caste of the ancient Sumerian civilization.
Originally charged with leading the spiritual education and direction of the

ancient Sumerians, as the Sumerian civilization decayed after the łflood,˛

łJewish Ritual Murder.˛

Mezizah -
http://www.universalway.org/circtruth.html#Mezizah

having a distinctly łZionist˛ flavor.

Dominion of Melchizedek -
http://www.melchizedek.com/

World Light Fellowship - The Order of Melchizedek -
http://www.worldlightcenter.com/melchizk/melchtop.htm

Zionism is the racist belief that the łJewish˛ people (alternately, the


descendants of the priestly caste of Sumeria) deserve to rule the world from
the

state of Israel restored and are the łChosen People˛ of God in the world and


a
divine race of God, while all other people are sub-human beasts.
Furthermore,

when the truth about łJesus Christ˛ is known, it will also be found that
łZionism˛ must also include anyone who believes that the real person of
łJesus


Christ˛ was also a Jew.

Research presented by Jewish sources reports that the books of the New
Testament
of the Bible were actually authored by a Roman aristocratic banking family
with

a surname of łPiso˛. The Pisos authored the New Testament as an attempt to


destroy Orthodox Pharisaic Judaism by creating a religion that offered a
solution to the Jewish problem in the Roman empire and the world. At the
same
time, the presenters of this information, obviously Jewish, clearly are
prejudicial and misrepresent the position of Judaism on many other subjects,
specifically slavery and the Jewish holocaust, however, such prejudices are
expected considering the source.

THE TRUE AUTHORSHIP OF THE NEW TESTAMENT -
http://members.tripod.com/ReuchlinA/

ROMAN PISO FAMILY WROTE THE NEW TESTAMENT, INVENTED "JESUS" -
http://www.konformist.com/blasphemy/piso.htm

The Myth of the Historical Veracity of Jesus -
http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/mine/jesus_myth.htm

Furthermore, the Talmud refers to a Yeshua Ben Pandeira, which the Jewish
rabbis

report as being the person whom they conclude is the łJesus Christ˛ of the


New
Testament, however, Jewish historians report that this Ben Pandeira lived in
a
time before the era that Jesus Christ was reported as having lived.
Additionally, modern-day Theosophists report that on August 22, 7 B.C. (by
our
present calendar, smoothed, corrected, and projected into the past, and
accounting for the errors of previous calendars used), by the placement of
the
stars in the sky, a person could have been born that changed the world, and
many

Theosophists claim that this person was actually known as łApollonius of
Tyana,˛
and who was actually a łGnostic Christian˛ by his theological beliefs.

Apollonius of Tyana -
http://www.occultopedia.com/a/apollonius_of_tyana.htm
Apollonius of Tyana is claimed by many researchers to have been the true
historical personage upon which the life of Jesus Christ and the New
Testament
were based, claims which many other people consider to be of the highest
sacrilege and blasphemy.

The Origins of Christianity and the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ -
http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm

Apollonius -
http://www.shambhallah.com.au/Apollonius.htm

Great Theosophists--Apollonius of Tyana -
http://www.wisdomworld.org/setting/apollonius.html

The Life of Apollonius of Tyana - Philostratus {220 AD} -
http://www.magna.com.au/~prfbrown/a_tyana0.html

Apollonius of Tyana: The Wandering Spiritual Alchemist of the First
Century -
http://www.alchemylab.com/apollonius.htm

So while łJesus Christ˛ can not be truthfully found in the records of
history,
it can easily be concluded that the character łJesus the Nazarene˛ of the


New
Testament was based on a compendium of Yeshua Ben Pandeira and Apollonius of
Tyana, and which is really not a bad thing either, since the teachings of

łJesus


Christ˛ are, when applied in a manner that does no harm to any other people
for
their own beliefs, perhaps as good a set of teachings as any in the world
today,
and throughout history. However, while surely not a bad thing when applied
with
compassion, Christianity is, nonetheless, as much as Judaism, based on a
lie.

So all of this heinous deception stems from one big lie; the Old Testament,
and
it is one big Jewish Lie. And anybody who desires to call themselves
"illuminated" must surely have knowledge of this lie. And it is a lie to
which
Christianity and Islam have also fallen prey as well, where they attach
their
roots to Judaism and to the Old Testament, and where their desired result in
the

world has a distinctly łZionist˛ flavor to that result.

Kurt Kurosawa

unread,
Feb 15, 2002, 8:35:11 AM2/15/02
to

"Richard White" <whi...@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
news:a4i1oc$j5g$1...@paris.btinternet.com...

> I don't know why - but for some reason when I reply to the message below
the
> normal " >" indentation doesn't occur. So please bear with the following
> text:-

That happens to me sometimes, too. I think it has to do with the format the
original sender uses.

Here's a work-around (much faster than it sounds):

1) Hit the e-mail reply button for the original message but send it to
yourself.

2) Hit the reply or forward button on that message when you get it back. The
indentation marks will appear.

3) Select all in that message and copy the now-indented text to the
clipboard.

4) Hit the news reply button for the original message.

5) Select all in that message and paste what's in the clipboard over what's
there.

Now compose your reply as normal.


Richard White

unread,
Feb 15, 2002, 8:02:02 PM2/15/02
to

"Kurt Kurosawa" <kurt-k...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:j88b8.8943$SJ3.3...@news1.east.cox.net...

>
> "Richard White" <whi...@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:a4i1oc$j5g$1...@paris.btinternet.com...
>
> > I don't know why - but for some reason when I reply to the message below
> the
> > normal " >" indentation doesn't occur. So please bear with the
following
> > text:-
>
> That happens to me sometimes, too. I think it has to do with the format
the
> original sender uses.
>
> Here's a work-around (much faster than it sounds):

Nice solution Bro. Kurt - Thanks!

boazlebub

unread,
Feb 15, 2002, 8:17:39 PM2/15/02
to
i, savant, eh?

'i' isn't short for 'idiot', is it?

please stay in alt.religiousnutter. thank you.

sheesh.

"I, Savant" <isa...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3JZa8.9551$P21.8...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...

Biblical Origins

It is well-known to many Biblical researchers that most of the Old Testament
comes from other, more ancient, writings. Even Jewish writers admit that
most of

the łHebrew˛ writings were merely taken freely from Sumerian, Babylonian,


and
Egyptian sources. The story of Noah comes from the Sumerian legend of
Gilgamesh.
The Psalms were taken word for word from Akhenaton's Hymns to the Sun,
written
600 years earlier in Egypt. Horace Meyer Kallen, a professor at the Jewish
New
School of Social Research, said that the Book of Job was lifted bodily from
an
early and obscure Greek play. Scientist and author Immanuel Velikovsky has

admitted that there are łmany parallels˛ between the Vedic Hymns and the


Books
of Joel and Isaiah. The Ten Commandments were taken wholly from the Egyptian
Book of the Dead. And so on through the books of the Old Testament.

Research into the ancient writings of the peoples/nations mentioned in the
Old
Testament produces a different story than what is found in the writings of
the
Old Testament, and the story of Moses is a most interesting exemplification.
In

Egyptian writings, the Hebrews were known as the łHabiru,˛ meaning the


cutthroat
bandits across the river, who were considered criminals and raiders by the
Egyptian people. Eventually, some of the Habiru were allowed to trade and
settle
in Egypt, and when the people known to history as the Hyksos came to invade
Egypt, the Habiru had betrayed the Egyptians and helped the Hyksos enslave
Egypt
for many years. Subsequently, when the Egyptians threw off the Hyksos yoke,
the
people demanded that the Habiru subversives, spies, and traitors who had
aided
the Hyksos and who, by the law of nations, were deserving of the death
penalty,
be allowed to live but instead be imprisoned/enslaved for their treason, and
it
was Moses who helped free the treacherous and treasonous Habiru from their
punishment.

Worshipers of the Bible assert that it was Moses himself who wrote the
original
five books of the Old Testament, known as the Torah, however, a new school
of

research has determined that it was the łprophet˛ Ezra who redacted and


compiled
the works of several ancient authors (none of whom was actually Moses) into
what
became the Torah, and brought it back into Palestine with him when he
returned
from the Babylonian captivity. The details behind this theory are contained

within what is known as the łDocumentary Hypothesis,˛ and the łDocumentary

Hypothesis˛ is explored fully and in detail in the book łWho Wrote the
Bible?˛
by Richard Elliot Friedmann, and also in the book łThe Book of J˛.

Documentary Hypothesis; Who Wrote The 5 Books of Moses? -
http://religioustolerance.org/chr_tora.htm

"Who Wrote The Bible?" by Richard Elliot Friedmann -
http://www.california.com/~rpcman/FRIEDMAN.HTM

Many people who believe they are following the teachings of the Old
Testament,
are actually instead following the teachings of the rabbis, known as the
Talmud.
This is because "The Talmud is the central pillar supporting the entire
spiritual and intellectual edifice of Jewish life" as quoted from Rabbi Adin

Steinsaltz in the łIntroduction˛ to the edition "The Talmud; The Steinsaltz


Edition, A Reference Guide" (Israel Institute for Talmudic Publications,
1989),
and as well-known by all rabbis who train to teach the Jewish religion to
their
followers.

Talmudic Exegesis and Judaism -
http://www.hoffman-info.com/talmudic.html

The Talmud: Judaism's holiest book documented and exposed -
http://home.columbus.rr.com/fnfal308/The%20Talmud%20Exposed.html

The Truth About the Talmud: Judaism's Holiest Book -
http://www.hoffman-info.com/talmudtruth.html

And although many Jewish researchers have labored long and hard to hide the
true
origin of the Jewish religion, that origin can now be discerned and conveyed
to
people who are interested in having that knowledge. From the information
available (much of it stemming from the clay tablets of the ancient
Sumerians),

it can be discerned that the people who became known as the łHebrews˛ were


originally part of the priestly caste of the ancient Sumerian civilization.
Originally charged with leading the spiritual education and direction of the

ancient Sumerians, as the Sumerian civilization decayed after the łflood,˛

łJewish Ritual Murder.˛

Mezizah -
http://www.universalway.org/circtruth.html#Mezizah

having a distinctly łZionist˛ flavor.

Dominion of Melchizedek -
http://www.melchizedek.com/

World Light Fellowship - The Order of Melchizedek -
http://www.worldlightcenter.com/melchizk/melchtop.htm

Zionism is the racist belief that the łJewish˛ people (alternately, the


descendants of the priestly caste of Sumeria) deserve to rule the world from
the

state of Israel restored and are the łChosen People˛ of God in the world and


a
divine race of God, while all other people are sub-human beasts.
Furthermore,

when the truth about łJesus Christ˛ is known, it will also be found that
łZionism˛ must also include anyone who believes that the real person of
łJesus


Christ˛ was also a Jew.

Research presented by Jewish sources reports that the books of the New
Testament
of the Bible were actually authored by a Roman aristocratic banking family
with

a surname of łPiso˛. The Pisos authored the New Testament as an attempt to


destroy Orthodox Pharisaic Judaism by creating a religion that offered a
solution to the Jewish problem in the Roman empire and the world. At the
same
time, the presenters of this information, obviously Jewish, clearly are
prejudicial and misrepresent the position of Judaism on many other subjects,
specifically slavery and the Jewish holocaust, however, such prejudices are
expected considering the source.

THE TRUE AUTHORSHIP OF THE NEW TESTAMENT -
http://members.tripod.com/ReuchlinA/

ROMAN PISO FAMILY WROTE THE NEW TESTAMENT, INVENTED "JESUS" -
http://www.konformist.com/blasphemy/piso.htm

The Myth of the Historical Veracity of Jesus -
http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/mine/jesus_myth.htm

Furthermore, the Talmud refers to a Yeshua Ben Pandeira, which the Jewish
rabbis

report as being the person whom they conclude is the łJesus Christ˛ of the


New
Testament, however, Jewish historians report that this Ben Pandeira lived in
a
time before the era that Jesus Christ was reported as having lived.
Additionally, modern-day Theosophists report that on August 22, 7 B.C. (by
our
present calendar, smoothed, corrected, and projected into the past, and
accounting for the errors of previous calendars used), by the placement of
the
stars in the sky, a person could have been born that changed the world, and
many

Theosophists claim that this person was actually known as łApollonius of
Tyana,˛
and who was actually a łGnostic Christian˛ by his theological beliefs.

Apollonius of Tyana -
http://www.occultopedia.com/a/apollonius_of_tyana.htm
Apollonius of Tyana is claimed by many researchers to have been the true
historical personage upon which the life of Jesus Christ and the New
Testament
were based, claims which many other people consider to be of the highest
sacrilege and blasphemy.

The Origins of Christianity and the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ -
http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm

Apollonius -
http://www.shambhallah.com.au/Apollonius.htm

Great Theosophists--Apollonius of Tyana -
http://www.wisdomworld.org/setting/apollonius.html

The Life of Apollonius of Tyana - Philostratus {220 AD} -
http://www.magna.com.au/~prfbrown/a_tyana0.html

Apollonius of Tyana: The Wandering Spiritual Alchemist of the First
Century -
http://www.alchemylab.com/apollonius.htm

So while łJesus Christ˛ can not be truthfully found in the records of
history,
it can easily be concluded that the character łJesus the Nazarene˛ of the


New
Testament was based on a compendium of Yeshua Ben Pandeira and Apollonius of
Tyana, and which is really not a bad thing either, since the teachings of

łJesus


Christ˛ are, when applied in a manner that does no harm to any other people
for
their own beliefs, perhaps as good a set of teachings as any in the world
today,
and throughout history. However, while surely not a bad thing when applied
with
compassion, Christianity is, nonetheless, as much as Judaism, based on a
lie.

So all of this heinous deception stems from one big lie; the Old Testament,
and
it is one big Jewish Lie. And anybody who desires to call themselves
"illuminated" must surely have knowledge of this lie. And it is a lie to
which
Christianity and Islam have also fallen prey as well, where they attach
their
roots to Judaism and to the Old Testament, and where their desired result in
the

world has a distinctly łZionist˛ flavor to that result.

Ed King

unread,
Feb 16, 2002, 12:07:39 PM2/16/02
to
In article <ipib8.76890$H37.10...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>, Boazlebub
wrote:

> i, savant, eh?
>
> 'i' isn't short for 'idiot', is it?
>
> please stay in alt.religiousnutter. thank you.
>
> sheesh.

Michael Pardo may well qualify for that appelation, believe me. His
"Universalway" website is one of the most bizarre I've ever seen. Looking
closely in that ranting of his, one finds such scholarly references as
Hoffman's website: he of the Holocaust Denial crowd....

What a bunch of fruitcakes these folks can be sometimes. It's amazing that
they can actually get one or two people to think they make sense.

Best,
Ed King

http://www.masonicinfo.com -- Anti-Masonry: Points of View

Internet newsgroup posting. Copyright 2002. All rights reserved.


boazlebub

unread,
Feb 16, 2002, 1:59:21 PM2/16/02
to
"Ed King" <edk...@masonicinfo.com> wrote in message
news:VA.0000008...@earthlink.net...

> What a bunch of fruitcakes these folks can be sometimes. It's amazing that
> they can actually get one or two people to think they make sense.

this may have been said before but i personally think that the majority of
'anti' people will read that sort of guff and use it as ammunition against
the group, person, etc. they are 'anti' to.

the 'all-seeing eye' / illuminati thread is a good example.

only an extremely small number *actually* believe it and they're the sort of
person you don't want to meet down a dark alley!

regards

bryan


Ken Hawn

unread,
Feb 17, 2002, 6:46:16 AM2/17/02
to
I believe your premise is wrong. Many ancient civilizations had beliefs
that were similiar to those of the scriptures, but that does not mean that
they preceeded it. God has tried to reveal himself to men throughout
history but his truth was often distorted. Only the Bible has the true Word
of God. The other writings may be a little older but were not necessarily
the "originals" that the Bible was copied from.


--
Frat Regards,

Ken Hawn
Jacksonville

Learn more about Masonry.
Visit my website "MASONIC FACTS"
www.jacksonville.net/~khawn1

It is well-known to many Biblical researchers that most of the Old Testament
comes from other, more ancient, writings. Even Jewish writers admit that
most of

the łHebrew˛ writings were merely taken freely from Sumerian, Babylonian,


and
Egyptian sources. The story of Noah comes from the Sumerian legend of
Gilgamesh.
The Psalms were taken word for word from Akhenaton's Hymns to the Sun,
written
600 years earlier in Egypt. Horace Meyer Kallen, a professor at the Jewish
New
School of Social Research, said that the Book of Job was lifted bodily from
an
early and obscure Greek play. Scientist and author Immanuel Velikovsky has

admitted that there are łmany parallels˛ between the Vedic Hymns and the


Books
of Joel and Isaiah. The Ten Commandments were taken wholly from the Egyptian
Book of the Dead. And so on through the books of the Old Testament.

Research into the ancient writings of the peoples/nations mentioned in the
Old
Testament produces a different story than what is found in the writings of
the
Old Testament, and the story of Moses is a most interesting exemplification.
In

Egyptian writings, the Hebrews were known as the łHabiru,˛ meaning the


cutthroat
bandits across the river, who were considered criminals and raiders by the
Egyptian people. Eventually, some of the Habiru were allowed to trade and
settle
in Egypt, and when the people known to history as the Hyksos came to invade
Egypt, the Habiru had betrayed the Egyptians and helped the Hyksos enslave
Egypt
for many years. Subsequently, when the Egyptians threw off the Hyksos yoke,
the
people demanded that the Habiru subversives, spies, and traitors who had
aided
the Hyksos and who, by the law of nations, were deserving of the death
penalty,
be allowed to live but instead be imprisoned/enslaved for their treason, and
it
was Moses who helped free the treacherous and treasonous Habiru from their
punishment.

Worshipers of the Bible assert that it was Moses himself who wrote the
original
five books of the Old Testament, known as the Torah, however, a new school
of

research has determined that it was the łprophet˛ Ezra who redacted and


compiled
the works of several ancient authors (none of whom was actually Moses) into
what
became the Torah, and brought it back into Palestine with him when he
returned
from the Babylonian captivity. The details behind this theory are contained

within what is known as the łDocumentary Hypothesis,˛ and the łDocumentary

Hypothesis˛ is explored fully and in detail in the book łWho Wrote the
Bible?˛
by Richard Elliot Friedmann, and also in the book łThe Book of J˛.

Documentary Hypothesis; Who Wrote The 5 Books of Moses? -
http://religioustolerance.org/chr_tora.htm

"Who Wrote The Bible?" by Richard Elliot Friedmann -
http://www.california.com/~rpcman/FRIEDMAN.HTM

Many people who believe they are following the teachings of the Old
Testament,
are actually instead following the teachings of the rabbis, known as the
Talmud.
This is because "The Talmud is the central pillar supporting the entire
spiritual and intellectual edifice of Jewish life" as quoted from Rabbi Adin

Steinsaltz in the łIntroduction˛ to the edition "The Talmud; The Steinsaltz


Edition, A Reference Guide" (Israel Institute for Talmudic Publications,
1989),
and as well-known by all rabbis who train to teach the Jewish religion to
their
followers.

Talmudic Exegesis and Judaism -
http://www.hoffman-info.com/talmudic.html

The Talmud: Judaism's holiest book documented and exposed -
http://home.columbus.rr.com/fnfal308/The%20Talmud%20Exposed.html

The Truth About the Talmud: Judaism's Holiest Book -
http://www.hoffman-info.com/talmudtruth.html

And although many Jewish researchers have labored long and hard to hide the
true
origin of the Jewish religion, that origin can now be discerned and conveyed
to
people who are interested in having that knowledge. From the information
available (much of it stemming from the clay tablets of the ancient
Sumerians),

it can be discerned that the people who became known as the łHebrews˛ were


originally part of the priestly caste of the ancient Sumerian civilization.
Originally charged with leading the spiritual education and direction of the

ancient Sumerians, as the Sumerian civilization decayed after the łflood,˛

łJewish Ritual Murder.˛

Mezizah -
http://www.universalway.org/circtruth.html#Mezizah

having a distinctly łZionist˛ flavor.

Dominion of Melchizedek -
http://www.melchizedek.com/

World Light Fellowship - The Order of Melchizedek -
http://www.worldlightcenter.com/melchizk/melchtop.htm

Zionism is the racist belief that the łJewish˛ people (alternately, the


descendants of the priestly caste of Sumeria) deserve to rule the world from
the

state of Israel restored and are the łChosen People˛ of God in the world and


a
divine race of God, while all other people are sub-human beasts.
Furthermore,

when the truth about łJesus Christ˛ is known, it will also be found that
łZionism˛ must also include anyone who believes that the real person of
łJesus


Christ˛ was also a Jew.

Research presented by Jewish sources reports that the books of the New
Testament
of the Bible were actually authored by a Roman aristocratic banking family
with

a surname of łPiso˛. The Pisos authored the New Testament as an attempt to


destroy Orthodox Pharisaic Judaism by creating a religion that offered a
solution to the Jewish problem in the Roman empire and the world. At the
same
time, the presenters of this information, obviously Jewish, clearly are
prejudicial and misrepresent the position of Judaism on many other subjects,
specifically slavery and the Jewish holocaust, however, such prejudices are
expected considering the source.

THE TRUE AUTHORSHIP OF THE NEW TESTAMENT -
http://members.tripod.com/ReuchlinA/

ROMAN PISO FAMILY WROTE THE NEW TESTAMENT, INVENTED "JESUS" -
http://www.konformist.com/blasphemy/piso.htm

The Myth of the Historical Veracity of Jesus -
http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/mine/jesus_myth.htm

Furthermore, the Talmud refers to a Yeshua Ben Pandeira, which the Jewish
rabbis

report as being the person whom they conclude is the łJesus Christ˛ of the


New
Testament, however, Jewish historians report that this Ben Pandeira lived in
a
time before the era that Jesus Christ was reported as having lived.
Additionally, modern-day Theosophists report that on August 22, 7 B.C. (by
our
present calendar, smoothed, corrected, and projected into the past, and
accounting for the errors of previous calendars used), by the placement of
the
stars in the sky, a person could have been born that changed the world, and
many

Theosophists claim that this person was actually known as łApollonius of
Tyana,˛
and who was actually a łGnostic Christian˛ by his theological beliefs.

Apollonius of Tyana -
http://www.occultopedia.com/a/apollonius_of_tyana.htm
Apollonius of Tyana is claimed by many researchers to have been the true
historical personage upon which the life of Jesus Christ and the New
Testament
were based, claims which many other people consider to be of the highest
sacrilege and blasphemy.

The Origins of Christianity and the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ -
http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm

Apollonius -
http://www.shambhallah.com.au/Apollonius.htm

Great Theosophists--Apollonius of Tyana -
http://www.wisdomworld.org/setting/apollonius.html

The Life of Apollonius of Tyana - Philostratus {220 AD} -
http://www.magna.com.au/~prfbrown/a_tyana0.html

Apollonius of Tyana: The Wandering Spiritual Alchemist of the First
Century -
http://www.alchemylab.com/apollonius.htm

So while łJesus Christ˛ can not be truthfully found in the records of
history,
it can easily be concluded that the character łJesus the Nazarene˛ of the


New
Testament was based on a compendium of Yeshua Ben Pandeira and Apollonius of
Tyana, and which is really not a bad thing either, since the teachings of

łJesus


Christ˛ are, when applied in a manner that does no harm to any other people
for
their own beliefs, perhaps as good a set of teachings as any in the world
today,
and throughout history. However, while surely not a bad thing when applied
with
compassion, Christianity is, nonetheless, as much as Judaism, based on a
lie.

So all of this heinous deception stems from one big lie; the Old Testament,
and
it is one big Jewish Lie. And anybody who desires to call themselves
"illuminated" must surely have knowledge of this lie. And it is a lie to
which
Christianity and Islam have also fallen prey as well, where they attach
their
roots to Judaism and to the Old Testament, and where their desired result in
the

world has a distinctly łZionist˛ flavor to that result.

Gene Zippy

unread,
Feb 18, 2002, 9:56:16 AM2/18/02
to
On Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:46:16 GMT, "Ken Hawn" <kh...@attbi.com> wrote:

>I believe your premise is wrong. Many ancient civilizations had beliefs
>that were similiar to those of the scriptures, but that does not mean that
>they preceeded it. God has tried to reveal himself to men throughout
>history but his truth was often distorted. Only the Bible has the true Word
>of God. The other writings may be a little older but were not necessarily
>the "originals" that the Bible was copied from.

If the other writings were older, then they preceeded the newer ones.


--
|O| Be well. Travel with a light heart.

Brother Gene .*.
H.M.S.H.
Q.P.H.D.
Mike's friend
http://www.blackmountainlodge.net
http://www.freemason.org
http://mastermason.com/BrotherGene
http://www.mastermason.com/BrotherGene/frequently_asked_questions.htm
MBBFMN #387
ICQ #503060

Got [Backspace]?

************************************
"Are you guys ready? Let's Roll!!"
Todd Beamer, Flight 93
************************************

And in case I don't see ya' - Good Afternoon, Good Evening and Good Night!
-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version: 3.1
GCM/CC/TW/O d--(++) s:,s++ a+ C+(++++) U--- P! L-- E!
W++ N+++ o-- K- w++++ O---- M--(+) V? PS+++ Y+ PGP--
t* 5 X- R* tv+++ b++ DI+++ D G e* h---- r+++ y++++
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
Remember: Your Masonry may be different from someone else's.
Internet newsgroup posting. Copyright 2001. All rights reserved.

Any Mason may use the contents for any valid Masonic purpose, permission may be granted to others upon request.

Objects in this post are funnier than they appear
Can you imagine a world without hypothetical situations?
Be seeing you

0 new messages