Blue vs. Red Lodge

[Jamie Kerr]

Hi,

The Lodge which I have petitioned (Thistle #96) is a Blue Lodge. I have
also been made aware that in my area, (Montreal) there are Red Lodges.
What is a Red Lodge, a Blue Lodge, and what is the difference?

Please advise

[John Karnes]

Jamie,

Blue refers to the "Symbolic" or "Craft" Lodge. Red is often used in
reference to the Royal Arch Chapter and Purple to the Council of Royal &
Select Masters.

Sometimes, also, Prince Hall bodies refer to the "Blue House" (Blue
Lodge) the "Red House" (Royal Arch Chapter) &c.

Fraternally,

John Karnes
Murray #105, Murray, KY

[John Karnes]

Jamie,

Blue is the color of the "Symbolic" or "Craft" Lodge. Generally "Red"
refers to Royal Arch Masonry, red being the emblematic color of zeal.
Sometimes the Commandery is referred to as the "Black" Lodge (though not
often in the United States)

Also Prince Hall bodies refer to the York Rite as the "Blue House"
(Lodge) "Red House" (Chapter) "Purple House" (Council), etc.

Fraternally,

John Karnes
Murray Lodge #105, Murray, KY

Jamie Kerr wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The Lodge which I have petitioned (Thistle #96) is a Blue Lodge. I have
> also been made aware that in my area, (Montreal) there are Red Lodges.
> What is a Red Lodge, a Blue Lodge, and what is the difference?
>
> Please advise

--
MZ

[John Karnes]

Jamie Kerr wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The Lodge which I have petitioned (Thistle #96) is a Blue Lodge. I have
> also been made aware that in my area, (Montreal) there are Red Lodges.
> What is a Red Lodge, a Blue Lodge, and what is the difference?
>
> Please advise

Jamie,

[KTi...@gnn.com]

I could be mistaken, but the color Red is used to signify Lodges
devoted to the Royal Arch Degrees in the York Rite - a body of
Masons you may be interested in sometime after your Blue Lodge
Degrees are undertaken. Best of Luck.

[sir...@ix.netcom.com]

The Blue Lodge is part of the York Rite which comprises the first
three degrees of Freemasonry. This is what forms the basis of any
other Masonic affiliation.

I am not sure about the "Red Lodge" although I will speculate that it
may have two origins:
it may refer to several York Rite Degrees encompassing the Royal
Arch Degrees which can be taken after the Master Mason's degree in the
Blue Lodge, or
it may also refer to the first three degrees given under the auspices
of the Scottish Rite. We don't have this (to my knowledge) in the
U.S. but Montreal's cultural ties to France may make this part of
Freemasonry in Canada.

[Jack C. DeSelms]

Jamie Kerr <ke...@vir.com> wrote:

>Hi,

>The Lodge which I have petitioned (Thistle #96) is a Blue Lodge. I have
>also been made aware that in my area, (Montreal) there are Red Lodges.
>What is a Red Lodge, a Blue Lodge, and what is the difference?

>Please advise
Jack C. DeSelms <wood...@sound.net> responds:

I understand that the original charter for a blue lodge came from
England and the red lodge came from France. Could be mistaken, but
this is my understanding. Fraternally Yours. Berry Lodge #13, Kansas
City MO.

[David Stuart Winefield]

I think there is a risk in this discussion, that we come to believe
there is one answer to this, as to so many Masonic queries. Lodges which
arose from the UK Grand Lodges, and which have tended to adhere to those
traditions would agree that Blue Lodges are the symbolic lodges, using
the Hiramic Legend as their basis. I believe, and think this can be
verified, that in English Lodges, and those descending from them, the
Blue Lodge refers to the colour of the Master Mason's Apron. This is in
those jurisdictions, generally made of Lamb Skin with a light blue
border, rosettes, and strings.

The Red Lodge, as has also been stated refers to the Royal Arch. The
term York Rite is unknown in UK Jurisdicition Lodges. The Royal Arch
Chapters are attached aither by Charter, or in a sometimes less direct
manner to a Craft or Blue Lodge. In these countries, the regalia of the
brethren is again founded on a lambskin apron, but this time surrounded
by an indented pattern of Royal Blue and Red. A Sash of similar design
is also frequently worn.

The Royal and Select Masters, known generally as the Cryptic Council
Degrees are conveyed in a Council which is attached to a Royal Arch
Chapter. As has been said, in the English Jurisdiction the apron is of a
peculiar shape, and the white is surrounded by purple. However the Scots
Councils, have an entirely different apron of a unique design, and
totally different to all which have gone before.

I am certain that there have been vast differences outline here to
practice in the USA. The major point however is that diversity is what
keeps the interest of the Mason, and it is this diversity which has lent
us the strength to continue long after many other societies of men with
equivalent moral standards have failed.

My warmest fraternal greeting to you all!

Dave Winefield
PM Lodge Kaponga No 208 NZ
PZ Tokoroa Royal Ach Chapter No 104
--

[Eugene Goldman.·.]

David Stuart Winefield wrote:

> I think there is a risk in this discussion, that we come to believe
> there is one answer to this, as to so many Masonic queries. Lodges which
> arose from the UK Grand Lodges, and which have tended to adhere to those
> traditions would agree that Blue Lodges are the symbolic lodges, using
> the Hiramic Legend as their basis. I believe, and think this can be
> verified, that in English Lodges, and those descending from them, the
> Blue Lodge refers to the colour of the Master Mason's Apron. This is in
> those jurisdictions, generally made of Lamb Skin with a light blue
> border, rosettes, and strings.

> Dave Winefield

> PM Lodge Kaponga No 208 NZ
> PZ Tokoroa Royal Ach Chapter No 104
> --

Actually, my Brother,
The term "Blue Lodge" refers to the color of the unobstructed sky as seen from
the ground, as our Ancient Brethren viewed it when in Lodge. Due to the fact
that they met under the uncovered sky, they gazed up at a sea of Blue. Thus was
born the term Blue Lodge.

Fascinating, huh?

--
Be well. Travel with a light heart.

Gene Goldman P.·. M.·.

Blackmer Lodge #442, San Diego, Ca.
Black Mountain Masonic Lodge, U.·.D.·.
Southern Ca. Research Lodge
A.A.S.R., Valley of San Diego

If you can read this, you have gone too far!

[John Karnes]

Red Lodge or "Red Masonry" does refer to the degrees worked in the U.S.
by the Royal Arch Chapter.

As for Scottish Rite Blue lodges, some do exist in Louisiana, although
they are under the control of the Grand (York Rite) Lodge of Louisiana.
They work a ritual vastly different from the standard "Webb" Rite used
in the United States.
--
MZ

[v...@valevart.com]

Red lodge is rosacrusian...the blue lodge is the illuminated

[ppea...@gmail.com]

Want to go to a Red lodge? Go to Louisiana.

[in darkness?]

On Friday, September 13, 1996 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-5, Jamie Kerr wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The Lodge which I have petitioned (Thistle #96) is a Blue Lodge. I have
> also been made aware that in my area, (Montreal) there are Red Lodges.
> What is a Red Lodge, a Blue Lodge, and what is the difference?
>
> Please advise

Does it matter?

[Cryptoengineer]

"in darkness?" <arthur...@gmail.com> wrote in news:334b7da8-b3cf-42d7-
aad7-7e5...@googlegroups.com:

'Red Lodge' normally applies to York Rite lodges. The York Rite is a
appendent body of Freemasonry, and only admits men who are already
Master Masons in Blue Lodge.

Feel free to ask your contacts at Thistle about it.

pt