NASA Masonic Conspiracy
Ron Birkinshaw
Apollo Missions - Masonic Symbols
To make interstellar travel believable NASA was created. The Apollo Space
Program foisted the idea that man could travel to, and walk upon, the moon.
Every Apollo mission was carefully rehearsed and then filmed in large sound
stages at the Atomic Energy Commissions Top Secret test site in the Nevada
Desert and in a secured and guarded sound stage at the Walt Disney Studios
within which was a huge scale mock-up of the moon.
All names, missions, landing sites, and events in the Apollo Space Program
echoed the occult metaphors, rituals, and symbology of the Illuminati's
secret religion. The most transparent was the faked explosion on the
spacecraft Apollo 13, named "Aquarius" (new age) at 1:13 (1313 military
time) on April 13, 1970 which was the metaphor for the initiation ceremony
involving the death (explosion), placement in the coffin (period of
uncertainty of their survival), communion with the spiritual world and the
imparting of esoteric knowledge to the candidate (orbit and observation of
the moon without physical contact), rebirth of the initiate (solution of
problem and repairs), and the raising up (of the Phoenix, the new age of
Aquarius) by the grip of the lions paw (reentry and recovery of Apollo 13).
13 is the number of death and rebirth, death and reincarnation, sacrifice,
the Phoenix, the Christ (perfected soul imprisoned in matter), and the
transition from the old to the new. Another revelation to those who
understand the symbolic language of the Illuminati is the hidden meaning of
the names of the Space Shuttles, "A Colombian Enterprise to Endeavor for the
Discovery of Atlantis... and all Challengers shall be destroyed."
Exploration of the moon stopped because it was impossible to continue the
hoax without being ultimately discovered. And of course they ran out of
pre-filmed episodes.
No man has ever ascended higher than 300 miles, if that high, above the
Earth's surface. No man has ever orbited, landed on, or walked upon the moon
in any publicly known space program. If man has ever truly been to the moon
it has been done in secret and with a far different technology.
The tremendous radiation encountered in the Van Allen Belt, solar radiation,
cosmic radiation, temperature control, and many other problems connected
with space travel prevent living organisms leaving our atmosphere with our
known level of technology. Any intelligent high school student with a basic
physics book can prove NASA faked the Apollo moon landings
If you doubt this please explain how the astronauts walked upon the moons
surface enclosed in a space suit in full sunlight absorbing a minimum of 265
degrees of heat surrounded by a vacuum. NASA tells us the moon has no
atmosphere and that the astronauts were surrounded by the vacuum of space.
Heat is defined as the vibration or movement of molecules within matter. The
faster the molecular motion the higher the temperature. The slower the
molecular motion the colder the temperature. Absolute zero is that point
where all molecular motion ceases. In order to have hot or cold molecules
must be present.
A vacuum is a condition of nothingness where there are no molecules. Vacuums
exist in degrees. Some scientists tell us that there is no such thing as an
absolute vacuum. Space is the closest thing to an absolute vacuum that is
known to us. There are so few molecules present in most areas of what we
know as "space" that any concept of "hot" or "cold" is impossible to
measure. A vacuum is a perfect insulator. That is why a "Thermos" or vacuum
bottle is used to store hot or cold liquids in order to maintain the
temperature for the longest time possible without re-heating or re-cooling.
Radiation of all types will travel through a vacuum but will not affect the
vacuum. Radiant heat from the sun travels through the vacuum of space but
does not "warm" space. In fact the radiant heat of the sun has no affect
whatsoever until it strikes matter. Molecular movement will increase in
direct proportion to the radiant energy which is absorbed by matter. The
time it takes to heat matter exposed to direct sunlight in space is
determined by its color, its elemental properties, its distance from the
sun, and its rate of absorption of radiant heat energy. Space is NOT hot.
Space is NOT cold.
Objects which are heated cannot be cooled by space. In order for an object
to cool it must first be removed from direct sunlight. Objects which are in
the shadow of another object will eventually cool but not because space is
"cold". Space is not cold. Hot and cold do not exist in the vacuum of space.
Objects cool because the laws of motion dictate that the molecules of the
object will slow down due to the resistance resulting from striking other
molecules until eventually all motion will stop provided the object is
sheltered from the direct and/or indirect radiation of the sun and that
there is no other source of heat. Since the vacuum of space is the perfect
insulator objects take a very long time to cool even when removed from all
sources of heat, radiated or otherwise.
NASA insists the space suits the astronauts supposedly wore on the lunar
surface were air conditioned. An air conditioner cannot, and will not work
without a heat exchanger. A heat exchanger simply takes heat gathered in a
medium such as freon from one place and transfers it to another place. This
requires a medium of molecules which can absorb and transfer the heat such
as an atmosphere or water. An air conditioner will not and cannot work in a
vacuum. A space suit surrounded by a vacuum cannot transfer heat from the
inside of the suit to any other place. The vacuum, remember, is a perfect
insulator. A man would roast in his suit in such a circumstance.
NASA claims the spacesuits were cooled by a water system which was piped
around the body, then through a system of coils sheltered from the sun in
the backpack. NASA claims that water was sprayed on the coils causing a
coating of ice to form. The ice then supposedly absorbed the tremendous heat
collected in the water and evaporated into space. There are two problems
with this that cannot be explained away. 1) The amount of water needed to be
carried by the astronauts in order to make this work for even a very small
length of time in the direct 55 degrees over the boiling point of water (210
degrees F at sea level on Earth) heat of the sun could not have possibly
been carried by the astronauts. 2) NASA has since claimed that they found
ice in moon craters. NASA claims that ice sheltered from the direct rays of
the sun will NOT evaporate destroying their own bogus "air conditioning"
explanation.
Remember this. Think about it the next time you go off in the morning with a
"vacuum bottle" filled with hot coffee. Think about it long and hard when
you sit down and pour a piping hot cup from your thermos to drink with your
lunch four hours later... and then think about it again when you pour the
last still very warm cup of coffee at the end of the day.
The same laws of physics apply to any vehicle traveling through space. NASA
claims that the spacecraft was slowly rotated causing the shadowed side to
be cooled by the intense cold of space... an intense cold that DOES NOT
EXIST. In fact the only thing that could have been accomplished by a
rotation of the spacecraft is a more even and constant heating such as that
obtained by rotating a hot dog on a spit. In reality a dish called Astronaut
a la Apollo would have been served. At the very least you would not want to
open the hatch upon the crafts return.
NASA knows better than to claim, in addition, that a water cooling apparatus
such as that which they claim cooled the astronauts suits cooled the
spacecraft. No rocket could ever have been launched with the amount of water
needed to work such a system for even a very short period of time. Fresh
water weighs a little over 62 lbs. per cubic foot. Space and weight capacity
were critical given the lift capability of the rockets used in the Apollo
Space Program. No such extra water was carried by any mission whatsoever for
suits or for cooling the spacecraft.
On the tapes the Astronauts complained bitterly of the cold during their
journey and while on the surface of the moon. They spoke of using heaters
that did not give off enough heat to overcome the intense cold of space. It
was imperative that NASA use this ruse because to tell the truth would TELL
THE TRUTH. It is also proof of the arrogance and contempt in which the
Illuminati holds the common man.
What we heard is in reality indicative of an over zealous cooling system in
the props used during the filming of the missions at the Atomic Energy
Commissions Nevada desert test site, where it is common to see temperatures
well over 100 degrees. In the glaring unfiltered direct heat of the sun the
Astronauts could never have been cold at any time whatsoever in the perfect
insulating vacuum of space.
NASA claims that the space suits worn by the astronauts were pressurized at
5 psi over the ambient pressure (0 psi vacuum) on the moon's surface. We
have examined the gloves NASA claims the astronauts wore and find they are
made of pliable material containing no mechanical, hydraulic, or electrical
devices which would aid the astronauts in the dexterous use of their fingers
and hands while wearing the gloves. Experiments prove absolutely that such
gloves are impossible to use and that the wearer cannot bend the wrist or
fingers to do any dexterous work whatsoever when filled with 5 psi over
ambient pressure either in a vacuum or in the earth's atmosphere. NASA
actually showed film and television footage of astronauts using their hands
and fingers normally during their EVAs on the so-called lunar surface. The
films show clearly that there is no pressure whatsoever within the gloves...
a condition that would have caused explosive decompression of the astronauts
resulting in almost immediate death if they had really been surrounded by
the vacuum of space.
If you don't believe it try it yourself... it is a very simple experiment
and does not require a rocket scientist to perform. These are just two of
over a hundred very simple and very easy to prove valid scientific reasons
why NASA and the Apollo Space Program are two of the biggest lies ever
foisted upon the unsuspecting and trusting People of the world.
In addition most, if not all, of the photos, films, and videotape of the
Apollo Moon Missions are easily proven to be fake. Anyone with the slightest
knowledge of photography, lighting, and physics can easily prove that NASA
faked the visual records of the Apollo Space Program. Some are so obviously
fake that when the discrepancies are pointed out to unsuspecting viewers an
audible gasp has been heard. Some have actually gone into a mild state of
shock. Some People break down and cry. I have seen others become so angry
that they have ripped the offending photos to shreds while screaming
incoherently.
C. Fred Kleinknect, head of NASA at the time of the Apollo Space Program, is
now the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Council of the 33rd Degree of the
Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry of the Southern
Jurisdiction. It was his reward for pulling it off. All of the first
astronauts were Freemasons. There is a photograph in the House of the Temple
in Washington DC of Neil Armstrong on the moons surface (supposedly) in his
spacesuit holding his Masonic Apron in front of his groin.
The effect upon the people of the world was, that if we could go to the moon
other creatures from other worlds could travel to our Earth. The escalation
of the artificial alien threat scenario since that time is obvious.
The recent revelations of the fraudulent nature of NASA and the Apollo space
program by the Intelligence Service and others has resulted in a flood of
propaganda, television programs, and films designed to keep the sheople
trapped in a deep ignorant sleep. The most ambitious are "Apollo 13" and
"From the Earth to the Moon", both involving the actor/producer Tom Hanks.
The latter opens with a monologue by Mr. Hanks who walks forward revealing a
huge representation of the "God" Apollo (Sun, Osiris, lost word, etc.)
guiding his chariot pulled by 4 horses through the heavens.
Center Horse
Jack Hickey
>They should make of this.Or did they.
A movie? "Capricorn Five," a very cheesy movie about ten years ago.
Nobody with any sense took it seriously, of course.
Jack Hickey, MM
Junior Warden
Chairman, Masonic Awareness Committee
Isaiah Thomas Lodge (No number)
Eureka Royal Arch Chapter
Hiram Council, R&SM
Worcester MA
www.masslodges.org
Bill Knight
<rando...@zoom.co.uk> wrote:
>NASA Masonic Conspiracy
>
>Apollo Missions - Masonic Symbols
>
>To make interstellar travel believable NASA was created. The Apollo Space
>Program foisted the idea that man could travel to...
Old, debunked, and somebody elses work. 1.2 out if 10.
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Bill Knight wrote:
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> On Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:28:35 -0000, "Ron Birkinshaw"
> <rando...@zoom.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >NASA Masonic Conspiracy
> >
> >Apollo Missions - Masonic Symbols
> >
> >To make interstellar travel believable NASA was created. The Apollo Space
> >Program foisted the idea that man could travel to...
>
> Old, debunked, and somebody elses work. 1.2 out if 10.
>
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>NASA Masonic Conspiracy
>
>Apollo Missions - Masonic Symbols
>
I find it amazing how much those insidious masons are behind. I think it must
actually be the Orb Beings, they seem so much more credible.....
Ed King
whole bunch of stuff he copied off of someone's web site (looks like William
Cooper, actually) about which I'll just address one very specific piece for
the sake of brevity:
> C. Fred Kleinknect, head of NASA at the time of the Apollo Space Program, is
> now the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Council of the 33rd Degree of the
> Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry of the Southern
> Jurisdiction. It was his reward for pulling it off.
You know, I've seen this charge several times so tonight decided to check it
out, just for the heck of it. I remembered that Fred was the Grand Secretary
for MANY, MANY years so I wondered how he managed to attain such an important
position direction after a supposed position with NASA. Was there really some
truth to the charge?
Well, guess what: it's YET ANOTHER LIE!!!
Christian Frederick Kleinknecht (you left out the "h", dear child) was born in
1924 and became an employee of the Scottish Rite in 1947! Now perhaps you
could explain - since you seem to know all this stuff about the Masons - how a
fellow who was working in an administrative position in Washington, DC, would
have found the spare time to head up NASA - and never miss a beat....
Ah, yes: another diatribe against Freemasonry shot to pieces!
Sources:
Who is Who in Freemasonry 1988 Edition, Anchor Press
NASA Biographies (which don't mention a single Kleinknecht!)
but which do mention everyone and his twin sister practically
including folks like Henry Kissinger and many folks who're now
deceased (so the antis can't claim that it's a partial biography)
online at http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/biosk-n.html
Ed King
http://www.masonicinfo.com -- Anti-Masonry: Points of View
Internet newsgroup posting. Copyright 2000. All rights reserved.
Jim Bennie
> >
> >Apollo Missions - Masonic Symbols
> >
> >To make interstellar travel believable NASA was created. The Apollo Space
> Old, debunked, and somebody elses work. 1.2 out if 10.
The comedy factor is much higher than that, Bill. I had a good laugh.
Someone has a really good imagination.
Jim Bennie, G.Stwd
WM, Lodge Southern Cross No. 44, Vancouver
Ed King
> On 20 Feb 2000 22:04:34 GMT, cente...@aol.com (Center Horse) wrote:
>
> >They should make of this.Or did they.
>
> A movie? "Capricorn Five," a very cheesy movie about ten years ago.
> Nobody with any sense took it seriously, of course.
Except, of course, those who saw a 'conspiracy theory' in the fact that
O. J. Simpson was one of the actors.... <G>
Fraternally,
Brandone
this. I am so tired of hearing things like this. Oh, boy!
Sir, you have absolutely no proof whatsoever of the things you have laid out
on the table. The only way for you to know these things are to have been
there, which I doubt you were.
My last point of note, if you really want to know what happened to the said
gentleman, go ask him. Then ask him about Freemasonry. For that fact, go
talk to the Master of a local lodge. Maybe you will be able to understand
the workings of a Freemason. Yes, Niel Armstrong was a Freemason. So was
John Glenn. So was Harry S. Truman. So was George Washington, Aaron Burr,
and the list goes on. If they do not do good work, would we be here today?
Freemasonry is the oldest fraternal organization in the world. Out of our
ranks have come many world leaders and good men. Maybe you should consider
talking to a mason before rattling off BS like this.
Brandone
A.F.&A.M. Lodge #659
North Kansas City, Mo
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Ragnar (no, not THE Ragnar)
"sdcholarship" is as poorly researched, I'm afraid the anti-masonic cause is in
bad shape.
Mav
wrote:
>In article <88piqr$2mpa$1...@quince.news.easynet.net>, Ron Birkinshaw wrote a
>whole bunch of stuff he copied off of someone's web site (looks like William
>Cooper, actually) about which I'll just address one very specific piece for
>the sake of brevity:
>
ehhh....no need, Bro. Ed. This particular piece of nonsense seems to
pop up here every once in a while. I remember Danny Sale posting this
crap about 5 years ago......then "Don", then Kansan....it never ends.
Regurgitated claptrap from the same old twits. You'd think they'd get
new material, eh? Originality is NOT the strong suit of our local
psychoceramics, apparantly....
Dave Mavity MM
Joe Schmuckatelli
> NASA Masonic Conspiracy
>
> Apollo Missions - Masonic Symbols
>
> To make interstellar travel believable NASA was created. The Apollo Space
> Program foisted the idea that man could travel to, and walk upon, the moon.
> Every Apollo mission was carefully rehearsed and then filmed in large sound
> stages at the Atomic Energy Commissions Top Secret test site in the Nevada
> Desert and in a secured and guarded sound stage at the Walt Disney Studios
> within which was a huge scale mock-up of the moon.
Please. If you're going to troll, *try* and make it original, okay? OJ
Simpson did a movie on a faked Mars landing in the '70s...
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> On 20 Feb 2000 22:04:34 GMT, cente...@aol.com (Center Horse) wrote:
>
> >They should make of this.Or did they.
>
> A movie? "Capricorn Five," a very cheesy movie about ten years ago.
> Nobody with any sense took it seriously, of course.
Minor correction: Capricorn One, 1978. Source: www.imdb.com.
Jack Hickey
<rando...@zoom.co.uk> wrote:
>NASA Masonic Conspiracy
>To make interstellar travel believable NASA was created.
They never tried "interstellar" travel, Ron. They took a shot at
interplanetary travel, but left that technology behind.
Interstellar travel is a LONG way in the future -- provided we don't
get creamed by a flying mountain sometime next month.
>The Apollo Space Program foisted the idea that man could travel to, and walk upon, the moon.
>Every Apollo mission was carefully rehearsed and then filmed in large sound
>stages at the Atomic Energy Commissions Top Secret test site in the Nevada
>Desert and in a secured and guarded sound stage at the Walt Disney Studios
>within which was a huge scale mock-up of the moon.
Where in the WORLD (any world) do you come up with this kind of
misinformation?
All the exterior scenes were shot on location in Iceland, near
Hofsjokull, and we never used Walt Disney at all. It was Paramount.
>Exploration of the moon stopped because it was impossible to continue the
>hoax without being ultimately discovered. And of course they ran out of
>pre-filmed episodes.
Naah, it was just that the ratings were dropping. Nobody cared
anymore after Apollo 14, we couldn't get sponsors. We could have
gone six more missions if NASA hadn't been so uppity about painting a
Nike symbol on the side of the lander. We could have made some
good ducats if Armstrong's first words on the Moon had been: "Drink
Coke, the Pause that Refreshes," but the brass refused that one, too.
Darned short-sighted of them, I thought.
>If man has ever truly been to the moon
>it has been done in secret and with a far different technology.
The Moon is a boring rock. We've been using the technology from the
crashed spacecraft at Roswell to build our bases on Mars -- which is
why we've been shooting down the Mars probes, they were getting too
close.
>Remember this. Think about it the next time you go off in the morning with a
>"vacuum bottle" filled with hot coffee. Think about it long and hard when
>you sit down and pour a piping hot cup from your thermos to drink with your
>lunch four hours later... and then think about it again when you pour the
>last still very warm cup of coffee at the end of the day.
And then think seriously about getting a job where you can actually
afford to BUY a couple of cups of hot coffee during the day. Maybe
get yourself a nice indoor job, and plug in a coffee-pot.
>There is a photograph in the House of the Temple
>in Washington DC of Neil Armstrong on the moons surface (supposedly) in his
>spacesuit holding his Masonic Apron in front of his groin.
As far as I know, there are no extant still photographs of Armstrong
on the Moon. Armstrong was holding the camera, and couldn't take
pictures of himself except by reflection. The Mason holding the
apron was Aldrin, as was every other picture of an -11 astronaut on
the lunar surface.
>The effect upon the people of the world was, that if we could go to the moon
>other creatures from other worlds could travel to our Earth.
Non-sequitur. Everyone knows that there is a Moon. Not everyone
knows that "creatures from other worlds" even exist.
You didn't do very well in physics in high school, did you?
Your comments about the thermos effect fell kind of short, Ron. You
don't really understand radiated heat ... think for a moment. YES, a
thermos will keep hot things hot, and will keep cold things cold --
but consider what happens when you fill a thermos half-full of hot
coffee, and then throw in a handful of ice cubes. The hot doesn't
stay very hot, even INSIDE the thermos, and the ice cubes will
magically disappear.
A shaded area on the surface of the Moon will feel intensely cold
simply because there are no air molecules for the Sun's radiation to
excite. The Moon's surface ... the rock and dust ... is Mass, and
contains molecules. It can and does heat.
Did you REALLY, REALLY say that "fresh water weighs 62 pounds per
cubic foot"? On which planet? That figure is off by a factor of
10 on Earth, and considerably more on the Moon.
You get a "D" in Thermodynamics 101. You are expected to take the
course again. Stay awake this time.
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Schmuckatelli) wrote:
>> A movie? "Capricorn Five," a very cheesy movie about ten years ago.
>> Nobody with any sense took it seriously, of course.
>Minor correction: Capricorn One, 1978. Source: www.imdb.com.
Thank you. Still cheesy. I watched part of it once, but I thought
I was sure of the title, so I didn't look it up.
NightMist
wrote:
>"Ron Birkinshaw" <rando...@zoom.co.uk> wrote:
>>NASA Masonic Conspiracy
>>
>>Apollo Missions - Masonic Symbols
>>
>
>I find it amazing how much those insidious masons are behind. I think it =
>must
>actually be the Orb Beings, they seem so much more credible.....=20
Maybe it's actually those nasty ole draconians, or is it the greys?
Or are the draconians the bad guys from the Dragonlance novels, and
the evil reptilians from outter space called something else? If
saurian aliens from outter space are amongst us, did they kill off all
the dinosaurs? How does this explain the iridium layer? Maybe they
are actually native and descended from the dinosaurs and evolved in
magma tunnels far beneath the earth and are coming back to reclaim the
planet? And Edgar Rice Burroughs knew it all the time?
I'mmmmmm soooooo confuuuuuused!
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> ehhh....no need, Bro. Ed. This particular piece of nonsense seems to
> pop up here every once in a while. I remember Danny Sale posting this
> crap about 5 years ago......then "Don", then Kansan....it never ends.
Ah, Dave, what memories! Makes one misty-eyed for Keith Johnson and
his pentagram-spinning Venus.
Jim Bennie, WM No. 44, Vancouver
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nm...@madbbs.com (NightMist) decided to voice their opinion, of which I had
this to say:
>On Sun, 20 Feb 2000 22:21:39 -0500, ghengas <ghe...@khanate.org>
>wrote:
>
>>"Ron Birkinshaw" <rando...@zoom.co.uk> wrote:
>>>NASA Masonic Conspiracy
>>>
>>>Apollo Missions - Masonic Symbols
>>>
>>
>>I find it amazing how much those insidious masons are behind. I think it =
>>must
>>actually be the Orb Beings, they seem so much more credible.....=20
>
>Maybe it's actually those nasty ole draconians, or is it the greys?
>Or are the draconians the bad guys from the Dragonlance novels, and
>the evil reptilians from outter space called something else? If
>saurian aliens from outter space are amongst us, did they kill off all
>the dinosaurs? How does this explain the iridium layer? Maybe they
>are actually native and descended from the dinosaurs and evolved in
>magma tunnels far beneath the earth and are coming back to reclaim the
>planet? And Edgar Rice Burroughs knew it all the time?
>I'mmmmmm soooooo confuuuuuused!
No, God created dinosaurs and then immediately killed them off so as to
tempt the to-be-evolutionists years down the road. Hey, it's not like He
didn't know from the very beginning that they were going to hell, so what's
the difference?
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ghengas
>In article <88piqr$2mpa$1...@quince.news.easynet.net>, Ron Birkinshaw wrote a
>whole bunch of stuff he copied off of someone's web site (looks like William
>Cooper, actually) about which I'll just address one very specific piece for
>the sake of brevity:
>
>> now the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Council of the 33rd Degree of the
>> Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry of the Southern
>> Jurisdiction. It was his reward for pulling it off.
>
>out, just for the heck of it. I remembered that Fred was the Grand Secretary
>for MANY, MANY years so I wondered how he managed to attain such an important
>position direction after a supposed position with NASA. Was there really some
>truth to the charge?
>
>Well, guess what: it's YET ANOTHER LIE!!!
>
>Christian Frederick Kleinknecht (you left out the "h", dear child) was born in
>1924 and became an employee of the Scottish Rite in 1947! Now perhaps you
>could explain - since you seem to know all this stuff about the Masons - how a
>fellow who was working in an administrative position in Washington, DC, would
>have found the spare time to head up NASA - and never miss a beat....
>
>Ah, yes: another diatribe against Freemasonry shot to pieces!
>
>Sources:
> Who is Who in Freemasonry 1988 Edition, Anchor Press
>
> NASA Biographies (which don't mention a single Kleinknecht!)
> but which do mention everyone and his twin sister practically
> including folks like Henry Kissinger and many folks who're now
> deceased (so the antis can't claim that it's a partial biography)
> online at http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/biosk-n.html
>
>
> http://www.masonicinfo.com -- Anti-Masonry: Points of View
>
> Internet newsgroup posting. Copyright 2000. All rights reserved.
shut the fuck up, We all know that the evil conspirator in question is quite
obvious Elvis, who works at a Stucky's in NOrthern Colorado, and is in fact,
the illegitimate cousin of the Sasquatch.
Thought you were confused before......
With what's really going on, the silly Masons, free or otherwise, are the least
of your concern.....
Ed Bridges
"Ron Birkinshaw" <rando...@zoom.co.uk> wrote in message
news:88piqr$2mpa$1...@quince.news.easynet.net...
Ed King
> ehhh....no need, Bro. Ed. This particular piece of nonsense seems to
> pop up here every once in a while. I remember Danny Sale posting this
> crap about 5 years ago......then "Don", then Kansan....it never ends.
> Regurgitated claptrap from the same old twits. You'd think they'd get
> new material, eh? Originality is NOT the strong suit of our local
> psychoceramics, apparantly....
Well, I kinda thought that the claim made by Ken Mitchell that a posting
identity is totally separate and apart from the physical body which creates it
WAS pretty original actually. It impressed the heck out of me frankly! <grin>
I've never gone back and dug out the stuff from Sale et. al. to put on my site;
there's a project for a rainy summer.... <G>
Fraternally,
@nemi.com St.Alicia Erisdaughter
NightMist wrote in message <38b20b3a...@news.madbbs.com>...
>On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:36:57 -0500, ghengas <ghe...@khanate.org>
>wrote:
>
>>Ed King <edk...@masonicinfo.com> wrote:
>>>In article <88piqr$2mpa$1...@quince.news.easynet.net>, Ron Birkinshaw wrote=
>> a=20
>>>whole bunch of stuff he copied off of someone's web site (looks like Wil=
>>liam=20
>>>Cooper, actually) about which I'll just address one very specific piece =
>>for=20
>>>the sake of brevity:
>>>
>>>> C. Fred Kleinknect, head of NASA at the time of the Apollo Space Progr=
>>am, is
>>>> now the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Council of the 33rd Degree of=
>> the
>>>> Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry of the Southern
>>>> Jurisdiction. It was his reward for pulling it off.
>>>
>>k it=20
>>>out, just for the heck of it. I remembered that Fred was the Grand Secre=
>>tary=20
>>>for MANY, MANY years so I wondered how he managed to attain such an impo=
>>rtant=20
>>>position direction after a supposed position with NASA. Was there really=
>> some=20
>>>truth to the charge?=20
>>>
>>>Well, guess what: it's YET ANOTHER LIE!!!
>>>
>>orn in=20
>>>1924 and became an employee of the Scottish Rite in 1947! Now perhaps yo=
>>u=20
>>>could explain - since you seem to know all this stuff about the Masons -=
>> how a=20
>>>fellow who was working in an administrative position in Washington, DC, =
>>would=20
>>>have found the spare time to head up NASA - and never miss a beat....
>>>
>>>Ah, yes: another diatribe against Freemasonry shot to pieces!
>>>
>>> Who is Who in Freemasonry 1988 Edition, Anchor Press
>>> NASA Biographies (which don't mention a single Kleinknecht!)=20
>>> but which do mention everyone and his twin sister practically
>>> including folks like Henry Kissinger and many folks who're now
>>> deceased (so the antis can't claim that it's a partial biography)
>>>=20
>>> Ed King
>>> =20>>> =20
>>> Internet newsgroup posting. Copyright 2000. All rights reserved.
>>
>>
>>ite
>>obvious Elvis, who works at a Stucky's in NOrthern Colorado, and is in fa=
>>ct,
>>the illegitimate cousin of the Sasquatch.
>>
>>Thought you were confused before......
>> least
>>of your concern.....
>
>I thought Elvis was working at a gas-station in Arizona where he
>occasionaly rendevous with Liberace on a yellow UFO, and they both are
>part of the secret war against the Big Blue Brotherhood?
>
>Gotta go, the Keely airship is hovering over the backyard.....
Watches Mistress playing with her food...and grinz....!
NightMist
wrote:
>Ed King <edk...@masonicinfo.com> wrote:
>>In article <88piqr$2mpa$1...@quince.news.easynet.net>, Ron Birkinshaw wrote=
> a=20
>>whole bunch of stuff he copied off of someone's web site (looks like Wil=
>liam=20
>>Cooper, actually) about which I'll just address one very specific piece =
>for=20
>>the sake of brevity:
>>
>>> C. Fred Kleinknect, head of NASA at the time of the Apollo Space Progr=
>am, is
>>> now the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Council of the 33rd Degree of=
> the
>>> Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry of the Southern
>>> Jurisdiction. It was his reward for pulling it off.
>>
NightMist
Joe Schmuckatelli
> Yeh, Right! And the Earth is flat.
Well, there was that one guy who was insisting that we're actually living on
the *inside* of the planetary surface, and to prove his point, built a
structure in his backyard supposedly level with the ground, and proceeded to
calculate that a line projected from that structure would meet the ocean a few
miles out from land; this illustrated his belief that the earth's surface
curved upward, not downward.
Joe Schmuckatelli
> I've never gone back and dug out the stuff from Sale et. al. to put on my site;
> there's a project for a rainy summer.... <G>
Go for it. While you're doing that, I'll be sitting here contentedly
digesting these Teriyaki Sloppy Joes I cooked up.
Want the recipe, Geno? <big evil grin>
Anyone else?
Mav
wrote:
>
>With what's really going on, the silly Masons, free or otherwise, are the=
> least
>of your concern.....
HAH!!!!! Dupe!....that's what we WANT you to think.........
Dave Mavity MM
Bill Knight
Schmuckatelli) wrote:
>On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:30:59, Ed King <edk...@masonicinfo.com> wrote:
>
>> I've never gone back and dug out the stuff from Sale et. al. to put on my site;
>> there's a project for a rainy summer.... <G>
>
>Go for it. While you're doing that, I'll be sitting here contentedly
>digesting these Teriyaki Sloppy Joes I cooked up.
And I am busy digesting the Chicken with Roast Garlic Provincal that I
cooked up. I guess its a matter of Divergent geekdom, eh Joe?
--
Bill Knight - Master Mason (www.fbkltd.com/knight)
Vista Lodge #687 - (www.vista-masons.org)
Vista, California
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Eugene Goldman.·.
Schmuckatelli) wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:30:59, Ed King <edk...@masonicinfo.com> wrote:
>
> > I've never gone back and dug out the stuff from Sale et. al. to put on my site;
> > there's a project for a rainy summer.... <G>
>
> Go for it. While you're doing that, I'll be sitting here contentedly
> digesting these Teriyaki Sloppy Joes I cooked up.
>
> Want the recipe, Geno? <big evil grin>
YES!
I made a great rice dish last night.
|O| Be well. Travel with a light heart.
Who said that?
Brother Gene .*.
http://www.calodges.org/no442
http://www.blackmountainlodge.net
http://www.freemason.org
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Mav
Schmuckatelli) wrote:
>On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:30:59, Ed King <edk...@masonicinfo.com> wrote:
>
>> I've never gone back and dug out the stuff from Sale et. al. to put on my site;
>> there's a project for a rainy summer.... <G>
>
>Go for it. While you're doing that, I'll be sitting here contentedly
>digesting these Teriyaki Sloppy Joes I cooked up.
>
>Want the recipe, Geno? <big evil grin>
>
>Anyone else?
>
I DO, I DO!!!
Dave Mavity MM
j Dolan
> YES!
>
> I made a great rice dish last night.
>
Hey! Equal time!
I stumbled upon this the other day while exploring:
=====
Lentil Burgers
3 cups cooked lentils
1 cup plain bread crumbs
3 egg whites
1 cup cooked and diced spinach
1/2 cup diced carrots
1/2 cup diced green onion
1 cup shredded cheddar cheese
Salt and pepper, to taste
Combine lentils, bread crumbs, egg whites, spinach, carrots, green onion, cheese, salt and pepper;
mix well. Add a small amount of oil to skillet or coat with nonstick cooking spray. Fry for 6 minutes,
3 minutes per side. Or bake them at 350 degrees for approximately 20 minutes. Yields 6 servings.
Per serving: 262 calories; 7.6 g fat (4.2 g saturated fat; 26 percent calories from fat ); 33.3 g
carbohydrates; 20 mg cholesterol; 340 mg sodium.
(http://www.detroitnews.com/1996/menu/stories/66467.htm) (followed by a barley/lentil soup).
========
I know I got a better one around here somewhere...
jim MM
White River #90
Bethel, Vt.
JEC
news:VA.000018c...@mint.net...
> In article <38b0dc23...@news.earthlink.net>, Mav wrote:
>
> > ehhh....no need, Bro. Ed. This particular piece of nonsense seems to
> > pop up here every once in a while. I remember Danny Sale posting this
> > crap about 5 years ago......then "Don", then Kansan....it never ends.
> > Regurgitated claptrap from the same old twits. You'd think they'd get
> > new material, eh? Originality is NOT the strong suit of our local
> > psychoceramics, apparantly....
>
> Well, I kinda thought that the claim made by Ken Mitchell that a posting
> identity is totally separate and apart from the physical body which
creates it
> WAS pretty original actually. It impressed the heck out of me frankly!
<grin>
>
site;
> there's a project for a rainy summer.... <G>
AHH, if Danny Sale were the ONLY fruitcake we had to deal with. The good old
days.
--
J.E. Carroll
Jefferson #38
Lothrop #21
GLoTexas
JEC
news:38b2c3ab...@news.earthlink.net...
> On 22 Feb 2000 06:34:32 GMT, joesc...@KILL.SPAMFORD.WALLACE.NOW (Joe
> Schmuckatelli) wrote:
>
my site;
> >> there's a project for a rainy summer.... <G>
> >
> >digesting these Teriyaki Sloppy Joes I cooked up.
> >
> >Want the recipe, Geno? <big evil grin>
> >
> >
> I DO, I DO!!!
>
> Dave Mavity MM
>
ME TOO, ME TOO!!!!
Eugene Goldman.·.
> Hey! Equal time!
>
> I stumbled upon this the other day while exploring:
> =====
> Lentil Burgers
>
> 3 cups cooked lentils
> 1 cup plain bread crumbs
> 3 egg whites
> 1 cup cooked and diced spinach
> 1/2 cup diced carrots
> 1/2 cup diced green onion
> 1 cup shredded cheddar cheese
> Salt and pepper, to taste
>
> Combine lentils, bread crumbs, egg whites, spinach, carrots, green onion, cheese, salt and pepper;
> mix well. Add a small amount of oil to skillet or coat with nonstick cooking spray. Fry for 6 minutes,
> 3 minutes per side. Or bake them at 350 degrees for approximately 20 minutes. Yields 6 servings.
>
> Per serving: 262 calories; 7.6 g fat (4.2 g saturated fat; 26 percent calories from fat ); 33.3 g
> carbohydrates; 20 mg cholesterol; 340 mg sodium.
> (http://www.detroitnews.com/1996/menu/stories/66467.htm) (followed by a barley/lentil soup).
> ========
> I know I got a better one around here somewhere...
>
> jim MM
> White River #90
> Bethel, Vt.
Wheeere's the BEEF?!?!?!
Joe Schmuckatelli
>Hey! Equal time!
>
>I stumbled upon this the other day while exploring:
>=====
>Lentil Burgers
Ah, you're into the vegeterianism thing, then? Maybe I ought try that and
spring it on my roommate. I think he's a vegan.
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Joe Schmuckatelli
wrote:
>> >Want the recipe, Geno? <big evil grin>
>> >
>> >Anyone else?
>> >
>> I DO, I DO!!!
>>
>> Dave Mavity MM
>>
>
>ME TOO, ME TOO!!!!
ME THREE! Oh, wait -- I *have* the recipe. :-)
Okay -- let's keep this food thread going and irritate Jinn no end, shall we?
====================
Teriyaki Sloppy Joes
====================
2 lb ground beef
1 green bell pepper, chopped
1 onion, chopped
(2) 15 oz cans of tomato sauce
2 tbs brown sugar
1/2 tsp garlic powder
1/2 tsp salt
1/4 tsp black pepper
Teriyaki sauce
Add the onion and bell pepper to the ground whatever; brown. Drain the beef,
then add the sauce and spices. Add teriyaki to taste. Simmer until mixture
reaches desired consistency. Serve on toasted buns.
As an option, one could dispense with the salt/garlic powder and add ten or
twenty chopped cloves of garlic while the meat is browning.
Joe Schmuckatelli
>And I am busy digesting the Chicken with Roast Garlic Provincal that I
>cooked up. I guess its a matter of Divergent geekdom, eh Joe?
Long hair, short hair...
That was a fairly simple recipe, as I remember. Chicken, garlic; fry the
chicken up (margarine, oil...? Do I have that right?), take the chicken out,
put some flour into what's in the pan and make a roux out of it, then pour it
over the chicken...
Hell, sounds simple enough that even I could make it.
Center Horse
diet.When I get time I'll I'll run to the kitchen through something together
and drop it on you guys.Twelve years in Fireb house in Detroit.I think I can
come up with something.Jim Wandrie,MM.Moreno Valley Lodge 804.Moreno Valley,Ca.
Pope Pompous Pilot
"Ron Birkinshaw" <rando...@zoom.co.uk> wrote:
> NASA Masonic Conspiracy
>
> Apollo Missions - Masonic Symbols
>
> To make interstellar travel believable NASA was created. The Apollo
Space
> Program foisted the idea that man could travel to, and walk upon, the
moon.
> Every Apollo mission was carefully rehearsed and then filmed in large
sound
> stages at the Atomic Energy Commissions Top Secret test site in the
Nevada
> Desert and in a secured and guarded sound stage at the Walt Disney
Studios
> within which was a huge scale mock-up of the moon.
(remaining fnords snipped to protect the innocent)
Of course we all know that Mr. and Mrs. Birkinshaw staged your birth
with the use of trick cameras so no one would know that you really are
a cabbage. But I have seen you naked and know better (t'aint pretty
folks).
By the way, keep the aluminum hat on, just don't get too close to the
microwave. "They" can hear you better when you do...
-><-
Pope Pompous Pilot
The Pope of Freemasonry
Namer of the Three-Toed Toth
Lord Protector of the Biogenic Law
Pronouncer of the Sacred Word-Yahtzee
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Bill Knight
(Joe Schmuckatelli) wrote:
>On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 00:14:48 -0800, Bill Knight <kni...@fbkltd.com> wrote:
>
>>And I am busy digesting the Chicken with Roast Garlic Provincal that I
>>cooked up. I guess its a matter of Divergent geekdom, eh Joe?
>
>Long hair, short hair...
>
>That was a fairly simple recipe, as I remember. Chicken, garlic; fry the
>chicken up (margarine, oil...? Do I have that right?), take the chicken out,
>put some flour into what's in the pan and make a roux out of it, then pour it
>over the chicken...
>
>Hell, sounds simple enough that even I could make it.
OK -
Bill's Anti Vampire Chicken (Chicken with Roast Garlic Provincial)
Four Chicken Breasts
40 (that's FORTY folks) cloves of Garlic
1/4 cup Olive or Safflower Oil
1 cup white wine (Dry Chardoney, etc.)
1 cup chicken broth
four tablespoons flour
salt
Oregeno
white pepper
Brown up the chicken and the garlic cloves over medium heat. Crush the
oregeno and white pepper over the chicken while cooking. Remove the garlic
and chicken from the pan and place in a serving platter. Shell the garlic
after its cooked (unless your sadistic and do it beforehand). Whisk flour
into the hot oil and make a roux. Salt to taste. whisk in the white wine
and chicken broth, simmer down. Pour the gravy onto the chicken, place
carefully on the table then count your fingers
Serves two Masonic Brothers (Thrown in to keep this on topic)
--
Bill Knight - Master Mason (www.fbkltd.com/knight)
Vista Lodge #687 - (www.vista-masons.org)
Vista, California
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j Dolan
> >Lentil Burgers
>
> Ah, you're into the vegeterianism thing, then? Maybe I ought try that and
> spring it on my roommate. I think he's a vegan.
Yeah. I last ate a meatball at my sister's wedding in '72, and it had been
quite a while before that.
I think I might have been born this way. Sometimes it gets interesting,
maybe so at a Commandery festival I'm going to on Saturday. It seems to work,
though- at least so far....
If you roomie is a vegan, that recipe won't work, as it's 'lacta-ova.' I do
have one that is better that is vegan, it's around here somewhere...
LJ...@webtv.net
>Wheeere's the BEEF?!?!?!
Who said 'that'? (Trivia question.)
Jinn
Joe Schmuckatelli
>Serves two Masonic Brothers (Thrown in to keep this on topic)
Food *IS* on topic. >:-)
Joe Schmuckatelli
>If you roomie is a vegan, that recipe won't work, as it's 'lacta-ova.' I do
>have one that is better that is vegan, it's around here somewhere...
<shrug> I had the idea there were different varieties of vegan, depending on
what one could or would not find acceptable. I'll have to ask.
Eugene Goldman.·.
joeschmu...@KILL.SPAMFORD.WALLACE.NOW (Joe Schmuckatelli) wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:28:00 -0800, Bill Knight <kni...@fbkltd.com> wrote:
>
> >Serves two Masonic Brothers (Thrown in to keep this on topic)
>
> Food *IS* on topic. >:-)
Food is ALWAYS on topic!
|O| Be well. Travel with a light heart.
Who said that?
Brother Gene .*.
http://www.calodges.org/no442
http://www.blackmountainlodge.net
http://www.freemason.org
MBBFMN #387
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>Gene demanded:
No, Who didn't say that, Gene did.
Ed Bridges
"Joe Schmuckatelli" <joesc...@KILL.SPAMFORD.WALLACE.NOW> wrote in message
news:bqxLzydo2Rsp-pn2-59qGzyKwiHD9@localhost...
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:13:46, "Ed Bridges" <e...@salsgiver.com> wrote:
>
> > Yeh, Right! And the Earth is flat.
>
> Well, there was that one guy who was insisting that we're actually living
on
> the *inside* of the planetary surface, and to prove his point, built a
> structure in his backyard supposedly level with the ground, and proceeded
to
> calculate that a line projected from that structure would meet the ocean a
few
> miles out from land; this illustrated his belief that the earth's surface
> curved upward, not downward.
>
had a small enough sphere. However, due to the size of earth, in
relationship to man or smaller man made structures, it does curve upwards
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"Bill Knight" <kni...@fbkltd.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:25:24 GMT,
joeschmu...@KILL.SPAMFORD.WALLACE.NOW
> (Joe Schmuckatelli) wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 00:14:48 -0800, Bill Knight <kni...@fbkltd.com>
wrote:
> >
But you've only made enough for one...
BTW, do you guys have a 'Joshua club' out there?
Jan Eaton
"Jack Hickey" <jhi...@ma.ultranet.com> wrote in message
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No, Gene said "Wheeere's the BEEF?!?!?!
I Don't Know said 'that'...
Who was on first....<G>
Bill Knight
wrote:
>BTW, do you guys have a 'Joshua club' out there?
Umm. Whats a 'Joshua Club?'
(The astute reader will notice that this is an answer.)
--
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Vista lodge #687 (www.vista-masons.org)
Vista, California
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I think it was produced by Chiat Day.
Doug
LJ...@webtv.net wrote:
> Gene demanded:
> >Wheeere's the BEEF?!?!?!
>
> Who said 'that'? (Trivia question.)
>
> Jinn
Lord [INSERT NAME HERE]
Ed Bridges wrote:
>
> Yeh, Right! And the Earth is flat.
You're just part of the conspiracy.
--
Lord [INSERT NAME HERE], Dr of erIscoRda, Hal Phillips (in the
metaphysical sense), Overlord of the Fifth House on the Rite, Member of
the Psychotic Friends Network, Grand Knight of the Zen Potato, Deputy
Assistant Director of the Erisian Confusion Bureau, Cloisterite of the
Monestary of Happenstance Hodge Podge Lodge, Perpetual Pope Converter of
Random POEE Titles, Pickler of Saucy Ink Cartriges, Wielder of the Holy
carrot, Slayer of All Who Support Him, Lunatic Without a Cause, Evil
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Patron Saint of Patron Saints, Lonely Hermit of the Crowded Cave,
Discordian Pope, Head of Illumination at Bavarian Illuminati HQ (I
change the lightbulbs), Grand Master of the Ancient Martial Art of
Kung-Lung-Bung-Fung-Chung-Mung-Itsu-Do, Founder of the Astoundingly
Annoying Alliteration Cabal (3AC), Member of the RSPCA (Royal Society
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NightMist wrote:
>
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:36:57 -0500, ghengas <ghe...@khanate.org>
> wrote:
>
> >Ed King <edk...@masonicinfo.com> wrote:
> >>In article <88piqr$2mpa$1...@quince.news.easynet.net>, Ron Birkinshaw wrote=
> > a=20
> >>whole bunch of stuff he copied off of someone's web site (looks like Wil=
> >liam=20
> >>Cooper, actually) about which I'll just address one very specific piece =
> >for=20
> >>the sake of brevity:
> >>
> >>> C. Fred Kleinknect, head of NASA at the time of the Apollo Space Progr=
> >am, is
> >>> now the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Council of the 33rd Degree of=
> > the
> >>> Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry of the Southern
> >>> Jurisdiction. It was his reward for pulling it off.
> >>
> >>You know, I've seen this charge several times so tonight decided to chec=
> >k it=20
> >>out, just for the heck of it. I remembered that Fred was the Grand Secre=
> >tary=20
> >>for MANY, MANY years so I wondered how he managed to attain such an impo=
> >rtant=20
> >>position direction after a supposed position with NASA. Was there really=
> > some=20
> >>truth to the charge?=20
> >>
> >>Well, guess what: it's YET ANOTHER LIE!!!
> >>
> >>Christian Frederick Kleinknecht (you left out the "h", dear child) was b=
> >orn in=20
> >>1924 and became an employee of the Scottish Rite in 1947! Now perhaps yo=
> >u=20
> >>could explain - since you seem to know all this stuff about the Masons -=
> > how a=20
> >>fellow who was working in an administrative position in Washington, DC, =
> >would=20
> >>have found the spare time to head up NASA - and never miss a beat....
> >>
> >>Ah, yes: another diatribe against Freemasonry shot to pieces!
> >>
> >>Sources: =20
> >> Who is Who in Freemasonry 1988 Edition, Anchor Press
> >> =20
> >> NASA Biographies (which don't mention a single Kleinknecht!)=20
> >> but which do mention everyone and his twin sister practically
> >> including folks like Henry Kissinger and many folks who're now
> >> deceased (so the antis can't claim that it's a partial biography)
> >> online at http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/biosk-n.html=20
> >>=20
> >> Ed King
> >> =20
> >> http://www.masonicinfo.com -- Anti-Masonry: Points of View
> >> =20
> >> Internet newsgroup posting. Copyright 2000. All rights reserved.
> >
> >
> >shut the fuck up, We all know that the evil conspirator in question is qu=
> >ite
> >obvious Elvis, who works at a Stucky's in NOrthern Colorado, and is in fa=
> >ct,
> >the illegitimate cousin of the Sasquatch.
> >
> >Thought you were confused before......
> >With what's really going on, the silly Masons, free or otherwise, are the=
> > least
> >of your concern.....
>
> I thought Elvis was working at a gas-station in Arizona where he
> occasionaly rendevous with Liberace on a yellow UFO, and they both are
> part of the secret war against the Big Blue Brotherhood?
>
> Gotta go, the Keely airship is hovering over the backyard.....
>
> NightMist
Elvis is just a pawn in the great sock-biro war. All biros and half of
all socks fight in it- those that go "missing" are casualties of war
covered up the the government.
Marko Ronkainen
Jack Hickey wrote in message <38b01e2e...@news.MA.ultranet.com>...
>On 20 Feb 2000 22:04:34 GMT, cente...@aol.com (Center Horse) wrote:
>
>>They should make of this.Or did they.
>
>A movie? "Capricorn Five," a very cheesy movie about ten years ago.
>Nobody with any sense took it seriously, of course.
Actually it was "Capricorn One". Or are there four sequels that I don't
know of..? ;-)
And it was about a Mars flight, not about a Moon flight.
Of course everyone knows that Illuminati is actually an invention
of the Martians, who founded Atlantis. And if you believe all this
I have an Eiffel Tower and a Statue of Liberty for sale as well!
- Marko
Eugene Goldman.·.
Hickey) wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:37:38 -0700 (MST), LJ...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> >Gene demanded:
>
> >>Wheeere's the BEEF?!?!?!
> >
> >Who said 'that'? (Trivia question.)
>
> No, Who didn't say that, Gene did.
Who is Gene.
|O| Be well. Travel with a light heart.
Who said that?
Brother Gene .*.
http://www.calodges.org/no442
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http://www.freemason.org
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Bill Maddox
Bill Knight wrote:
>
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:25:20 -0500, "Jan Eaton" <jme...@starpower.net>
> wrote:
>
> >BTW, do you guys have a 'Joshua club' out there?
>
> Umm. Whats a 'Joshua Club?'
>
> (The astute reader will notice that this is an answer.)
>
And here I was taught that you can't answer a question with a
question.
<G>
Bill Maddox
Eugene Goldman.·.
wrote:
> And here I was taught that you can't answer a question with a
> question.
Why not?
tommy...@hotmail.com
conspiring within Nasa. They came to influence nasa through Werner von
Braun. Actually the nazis were big enemies of the freemasons. Nazis had
an occult background as well, for an example the Thule Society,
Edelweiss society and the Vril society. Actually it is possible that
the Aryans Adolf Hitler referred to were actually so-called Nordic
aliens. This might explain some policies of NASA, for an example the
allged "failure" of the Mars probes...
Tommy Idiot
LJ...@webtv.net
>No, Gene said "Wheeere's the BEEF?!?!?!
>I Don't Know said 'that'...
No, you just did. :-)
Jinn
Mav
wrote:
>
>
>Bill Knight wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:25:20 -0500, "Jan Eaton" <jme...@starpower.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >BTW, do you guys have a 'Joshua club' out there?
>>
>> Umm. Whats a 'Joshua Club?'
>>
>> (The astute reader will notice that this is an answer.)
>>
>
>And here I was taught that you can't answer a question with a
>question.
>
HAH! You obviously weren't raised in an Irish family.......
Dave Mavity
David T.
On Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:28:35 -0000, "Ron Birkinshaw"
<rando...@zoom.co.uk> wrote:
>NASA Masonic Conspiracy
>If you doubt this please explain how the astronauts walked upon the moons
>surface enclosed in a space suit in full sunlight absorbing a minimum of 265
>degrees of heat surrounded by a vacuum. NASA tells us the moon has no
>atmosphere and that the astronauts were surrounded by the vacuum of space.
<snip almost, but not quite, accurate basic radiation physics>
>Space is NOT hot. Space is NOT cold.
True.
>Objects which are heated cannot be cooled by space.
False.
>Objects which are in the shadow of another object will eventually cool
True.
>Objects cool because the laws of motion dictate that the molecules of the
>object will slow down due to the resistance resulting from striking other
>molecules until eventually all motion will stop provided the object is
>sheltered from the direct and/or indirect radiation of the sun and that
>there is no other source of heat.
False.
Okay, now I'll explain your error. Heat is the motion of energy from
one location to another. A hot object does not contain heat; it
contains energy, in the form of molecular vibration. Heat occurs when
a cooler object comes into thermal contact with the warmer object. It
moves from hot to cold.
There are 3 forms of heat transfer. The first, conduction, is when
two items of different temperatures touch each other and the energy in
the hot one flows as heat into the cold one.
The second, convection, is when a fluid such as air or water or
ethylene glycol flows over a hot object. Thermal energy moves into
the fluid (or out of it if the fluid is hotter), then the fluid flows
away taking the energy with it.
The third is radiation. We're talking thermal radiation here, not the
emissions of radioactive elements during their decay into other
elements. Any two objects that have a line of sight on each other can
transfer heat through the mechanism of radiation. This is how heat
from the sun can be felt on Earth. There is no material connection
required for radiation transfer to occur, no medium. The molecular
vibration in one object produces infrared radiation that crosses
through the intervening distance to the other object, where it gets
absorbed and increases the vibration of the other object's molecules.
In normal Earth conditions, radiation tends to be a much smaller
factor than the other two. When two objects are the same temperature,
they radiate the same amount into each other, so neither one warms or
cools.
There's an important concept you need to grasp for what comes next to
make sense. The vacuum of space is neither hot nor cold. However, it
is a large volume into which energy can be radiated. Radio waves can
go off into empty space. The light from stars head off into the
eternal night with only a vanishingly small chance of ever
intersecting another particle of matter. These radiations do not
affect the fabric of space in any meaningful way, yet they propogate
through just the same, just like gamma rays and microwaves. Radiant
heat works exactly the same way, because it's all part of the same
electromagnetic spectrum.
You can think of the vast nothingness of space as a sink into which
you can pour as much energy as you like without worrying that it will
ever get full, or in fact ever change at all. It is a boundary, an
effectively fixed state. Fortunately, it is a state some of whose
properties we understand. Enough, at least, that we can use the
boundary in working out heat transfer problems.
Now then, you, me, the chair you're probably sitting on, a cow, and
the Eiffel Tower are all warmer than absolute zero. That's
-273.15(6?) degrees Celsius or 0 degrees Kelvin for those of you
playing along at home. As such, we all generate infrared radiation.
This is what those nifty helicopter-mounted body heat scanners are
looking for. Another name for infrared radiation is heat.
Everything that is not at a temperature of 0 Kelvin radiates some
amount of heat. The sun radiates heat to Earth, then Earth turns
around (1/2 revolution to be precise) and re-radiates it to that deep
space heat sink I was talking about before. Everything that is
exposed to the sky has a radiation heat link to the deep space heat
sink, which I will from this point refer to as Murray.
For example, suppose there are two identical cars parked right next to
one another in Colorado on a night when the temperature get close to,
but not below, freezing. The only difference is that Car A is parked
inside a closed, unheated garage while Car B is parked just outside.
Neither engine is left running, nor are there any people or pets
around to disturb things. There is also no wind and no clouds.
Because Car A is enclosed, it has no radiation link to Murray. Car B,
OTOH, is radiating heat to Murray on the cloudless night in question.
The heat lost to Murray overnight will cool Car B's windshield enough
drop it below freezing and allow frost to form, despite the fact that
it was never cold enough outside to freeze water. Car A will have no
frost on its windshield precisely because it didn't radiate heat into
space.
The same holds true for a ship in space or a man on the moon. One
side of the ship will heat because the sun is shining on it. The
other side will cool because the sun is not shining on it and it is
exposed to Murray. A man standing on the moon gets heated on his
sunward side and cooled on the other. If he goes behind a boulder, he
will cool by radiating to space and to the surrounding rocks. If
there is any rock within sight of him that is hotter than he is
because it's still in direct sunlight, it will radiate heat into him.
Remember, a thing does not need to be incandescent to radiate heat.
The inside surface of the space shuttle's cargo bay doors are
radiators that release the excess heat built up within the shuttle
into space to keep it habitably cool. If what I have just explaining
were false, they would not and could not do that.
>NASA claims the spacesuits were cooled by a water system which was piped
>around the body, then through a system of coils sheltered from the sun in
>the backpack. NASA claims that water was sprayed on the coils causing a
>coating of ice to form. The ice then supposedly absorbed the tremendous heat
>collected in the water and evaporated into space.
I admit I'm not familiar with the technical aspects of the space suit
coolant system. However, assuming your description is at least
somewhat accurate, I speculate that the water sprayed onto the
radiator is still enclosed inside the cooling system. The heat gets
transferred from the water to the radiator, then transfers from the
radiator to the environment. The water gets reused. If they ejected
the water after collecting all that heat into it, there would be no
need for any radiator. They would simply dump the hot water
overboard. When the water leaves, the heat goes with it. Therefore,
you probably misunderstood whatever source you read about the function
of space suit coolant systems.
>Remember this. Think about it the next time you go off in the morning with a
>"vacuum bottle" filled with hot coffee. Think about it long and hard when
>you sit down and pour a piping hot cup from your thermos to drink with your
>lunch four hours later... and then think about it again when you pour the
>last still very warm cup of coffee at the end of the day.
As a heat transfer mechanism, radiation is orders of magnitude smaller
than conduction or convection in the range of temperatures experienced
by the common thermos. By putting the vacuum layer between the coffee
inside the thermos and the outside world, the thermos minimizes the
conduction and convection heat transfer between the coffee and the
world. The only heat transfer mechanism left is radiation, which is
much less efficient than conduction or convection. Therefore, the
coffee can't get rid of its energy as quickly. Therefore, it stays
hot longer.
>In addition most, if not all, of the photos, films, and videotape of the
>Apollo Moon Missions are easily proven to be fake. Anyone with the slightest
>knowledge of photography, lighting, and physics can easily prove that NASA
>faked the visual records of the Apollo Space Program.
Funny how no one ever lists any specifics.
David
(In your reply, please explain why you want to disbelieve one of man's
greatest achievements.)
jruble
asking.
SCOTTY
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jruble
SCOTTY
"Eugene Goldman.·." <br_...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:28:56 GMT,
> joeschmu...@KILL.SPAMFORD.WALLACE.NOW (Joe Schmuckatelli) wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:28:00 -0800, Bill Knight <kni...@fbkltd.com>
wrote:
> >
> > >Serves two Masonic Brothers (Thrown in to keep this on topic)
> >
> > Food *IS* on topic. >:-)
>
> Food is ALWAYS on topic!
>
>
jruble
SCOTTY
"Jan Eaton" <jme...@starpower.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Jack Hickey" <jhi...@ma.ultranet.com> wrote in message
> news:38b2dc1f...@news.MA.ultranet.com...
> > On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:37:38 -0700 (MST), LJ...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> > >Gene demanded:
> >
> > >>Wheeere's the BEEF?!?!?!
> > >
> > >Who said 'that'? (Trivia question.)
> >
> > No, Who didn't say that, Gene did.
>
> No, Gene said "Wheeere's the BEEF?!?!?!
>
> I Don't Know said 'that'...
>
jruble
listing. :<)
SCOTTY
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Jack Hickey MM
>From: br_...@pacbell.net (Eugene Goldman.·.)
>Who is Gene.
Precisely.
Jack Hickey, MM
Junior Warden
Isaiah Thomas Lodge (No number)
Eureka Royal Arch Chapter
Hiram Council, RSMM
Worcester MA
http://www.masslodges.org
Jouni Hiltunen
> >Subject: Re: Masonic Teriyaki Sloppy Joe Conspiracy
> >From: br_...@pacbell.net (Eugene Goldman.·.)
>
> >Who is Gene.
>
> Precisely.
>
AHAA!
So Gene's on first.
Jouni Hiltunen, EA
Espoon Kolmas Loosi 138
GL of F&AM of Finland
Eugene Goldman.·.
<jouni.h...@STOPSPAMvalmet.com> wrote:
> Jack Hickey MM wrote:
>
> > >Subject: Re: Masonic Teriyaki Sloppy Joe Conspiracy
> > >From: br_...@pacbell.net (Eugene Goldman.·.)
> >
> > >Who is Gene.
> >
> > Precisely.
> >
>
> AHAA!
>
> So Gene's on first.
No, Who is on First. Gene prefers Third. And Who is Gene (But what
about Neidhart? For that matter, what about Raven?)
23Skidooooo
tt...@hhhhh.net (David T.) decided to voice their opinion, of which I had
this to say:
>Ahem...
>On Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:28:35 -0000, "Ron Birkinshaw"
><rando...@zoom.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>NASA Masonic Conspiracy
<snip>
>The vacuum of space is neither hot nor cold.
You're absolutely right about everything, but I don't grok this statement.
Aren't hot or cold just subjective terms? I mean, you can call A0 cold,
because you can't get any colder, but what of a steaming cup of coffee?
Is it not "cold" compared to the sun? I mean, I usually refer to "cold" as
something with less thermal energy per volume than myself, so I'd look at
"Murray" as something cold--> I would lose heat to it. So then, how could
something be neither hot nor cold? What are you comparing?
<snip>
>>Remember this. Think about it the next time you go off in the morning with a
>>"vacuum bottle" filled with hot coffee. Think about it long and hard when
>>you sit down and pour a piping hot cup from your thermos to drink with your
>>lunch four hours later... and then think about it again when you pour the
>>last still very warm cup of coffee at the end of the day.
>
>As a heat transfer mechanism, radiation is orders of magnitude smaller
>than conduction or convection in the range of temperatures experienced
>by the common thermos. By putting the vacuum layer between the coffee
>inside the thermos and the outside world, the thermos minimizes the
>conduction and convection heat transfer between the coffee and the
>world. The only heat transfer mechanism left is radiation, which is
>much less efficient than conduction or convection. Therefore, the
>coffee can't get rid of its energy as quickly. Therefore, it stays
>hot longer.
Yup, I noticed this when I was a wee youngin' when my koolaid got warm
faster if I held it more often than let it sit.
>>In addition most, if not all, of the photos, films, and videotape of the
>>Apollo Moon Missions are easily proven to be fake. Anyone with the slightest
>>knowledge of photography, lighting, and physics can easily prove that NASA
>>faked the visual records of the Apollo Space Program.
>
>Funny how no one ever lists any specifics.
Yup :)
-----
Pope Skidoo
When I close my eyes all I see are visions of you.
And when I open my eyes all apathy holds me down, I try but I can't shake myself loose.
I can't command my brain all I do is shrink and think of one thing.
I'm sitting alone inside me, I'm digging a hole inside myself.
All I want is the world I think I've found when I look into your eyes.
All I know is that I'm tired by the world around me.
Please, please, please don't ignore me.
Dedicated, here I am thinking of you with everything within me.
I know you'll never feel me, never see me, never know these thoughts of mine.
But in my mind you're always there, always smiling, always reaching out for me.
The days go on with heart ache. The days go on with emptiness.
All I want is to somehow matter to you, even if all else rejects me.
All I know is that I'm hammered by the world around me.
Please, please, please don't ignore me. Don't destroy me, don't destroy me.
I'm burned out, tired, trying to find a way to get through to you.
I know I'm waiting in life for handouts that'll never come, but still I don't care.
Feeling like, looking like-- naked, here is everything, here is everything I am.
Laid out, wide eyed, exposed-- unable to forget you.
Please, please, please don't destroy me.
--Henry Rollins, All I Want
RedRopers
Date: 2/24/00 12:21 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id: <38B4CDA1...@STOPSPAMvalmet.com>
Jack Hickey MM wrote:
> >Subject: Re: Masonic Teriyaki Sloppy Joe Conspiracy
> >From: br_...@pacbell.net (Eugene Goldman.·.)
>
> >Who is Gene.
>
> Precisely.
>
AHAA!
So Gene's on first.>>
But, I thought What was on first?
Jana
David T.
wrote:
>On 23 Feb 2000 22:28:31 GMT, some virtual stranger calling themself
>tt...@hhhhh.net (David T.) decided to voice their opinion, of which I had
>this to say:
><snip>
>>The vacuum of space is neither hot nor cold.
>
>You're absolutely right about everything, but I don't grok this statement.
>Aren't hot or cold just subjective terms? I mean, you can call A0 cold,
>because you can't get any colder, but what of a steaming cup of coffee?
>Is it not "cold" compared to the sun? I mean, I usually refer to "cold" as
>something with less thermal energy per volume than myself, so I'd look at
>"Murray" as something cold--> I would lose heat to it. So then, how could
>something be neither hot nor cold? What are you comparing?
What I meant was that if you stuck a thermometer out into deep space,
you wouldn't be able to measure a temperature. There's nothing there
to measure the temperature of. The thermometer might catch some
passing rays and get heated by them, or radiate its own heat into the
cosmos, but that wouldn't be an indicator of local ambient.
Temperature is a property of mass. Since vacuum has no mass (other
than the constant boil of virtual particle pairs (which don't count
(except near black holes))), it can't be hot, and it can't be cold.
That's what I meant.
None of which precludes Murray from being an effectively infinite heat
sink.
Interesting side note, BTW: if the universe is finite, then
eventually enough radiant heat will leak into deep space that the
energy density out there will equal that of whatever stars are left by
that time. Nothing will be able to lose heat by radiation anymore
because the heat radiation coming from space to the object will equal
the radiation going back out into it. That's the heat death of the
universe, one of the popular theories as to the end of everything.
The good news is that current measurements seem to indicate that the
universe will never stop expanding, so there will always be more room
for that waste energy to spread itself over. The bad news is that if
it is expanding too quickly, it will cool off too much (sloppy
wording, I admit. Just relax) and end everything by freezing. The
good news is that the human race will be long dead and forgotten
before any of this matters on a personal level. Or maybe that's bad
news. I've never been sure.
David
(Plus, the universe may be infinite, but that's a whole 'nother post.)
23Skidooooo
>On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:31:26 GMT, 23skid5*o...@my-deja.com (23Skidooooo)
>wrote:
>>On 23 Feb 2000 22:28:31 GMT, some virtual stranger calling themself
>>tt...@hhhhh.net (David T.) decided to voice their opinion, of which I had
>>this to say:
>
>><snip>
>>>The vacuum of space is neither hot nor cold.
>>
>>You're absolutely right about everything, but I don't grok this statement.
>>Aren't hot or cold just subjective terms? I mean, you can call A0 cold,
>>because you can't get any colder, but what of a steaming cup of coffee?
>>Is it not "cold" compared to the sun? I mean, I usually refer to "cold" as
>>something with less thermal energy per volume than myself, so I'd look at
>>"Murray" as something cold--> I would lose heat to it. So then, how could
>>something be neither hot nor cold? What are you comparing?
>
>What I meant was that if you stuck a thermometer out into deep space,
>you wouldn't be able to measure a temperature. There's nothing there
>to measure the temperature of. The thermometer might catch some
>passing rays and get heated by them, or radiate its own heat into the
>cosmos, but that wouldn't be an indicator of local ambient.
>Temperature is a property of mass. Since vacuum has no mass (other
>than the constant boil of virtual particle pairs (which don't count
>(except near black holes))), it can't be hot, and it can't be cold.
>That's what I meant.
Okay, I gotcha. I'd a just preferred saying there's no average heat of a
vaccuum rather than saying it's not hot or cold :)
>None of which precludes Murray from being an effectively infinite heat
>sink.
Being that all the energy is already stored inside the universe, I'd say so.
>Interesting side note, BTW: if the universe is finite, then
>eventually enough radiant heat will leak into deep space that the
>energy density out there will equal that of whatever stars are left by
>that time. Nothing will be able to lose heat by radiation anymore
>because the heat radiation coming from space to the object will equal
>the radiation going back out into it. That's the heat death of the
>universe, one of the popular theories as to the end of everything.
>The good news is that current measurements seem to indicate that the
>universe will never stop expanding, so there will always be more room
>for that waste energy to spread itself over. The bad news is that if
>it is expanding too quickly, it will cool off too much (sloppy
>wording, I admit. Just relax) and end everything by freezing. The
>good news is that the human race will be long dead and forgotten
>before any of this matters on a personal level. Or maybe that's bad
>news. I've never been sure.
Absolute zero everywhere, pleasant thought.
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Christopher Robin
Christopher Schmobin!
A bear has got to *eat*
-- Shel Silverstein (Pooh's Poem)
Eugene Goldman.·.
> Subject: Re: Masonic Teriyaki Sloppy Joe Conspiracy
> From: Jouni Hiltunen jouni.h...@STOPSPAMvalmet.com
> Date: 2/24/00 12:21 AM Central Standard Time
> Message-id: <38B4CDA1...@STOPSPAMvalmet.com>
>
> Jack Hickey MM wrote:
>
> > >Subject: Re: Masonic Teriyaki Sloppy Joe Conspiracy
> > >From: br_...@pacbell.net (Eugene Goldman.·.)
> >
> > >Who is Gene.
> >
> > Precisely.
> >
>
> AHAA!
>
> So Gene's on first.>>
No, Gene plays Third Base. Just ask Paul Gould.
> But, I thought What was on first?
What is on second.
Bill Maddox
>
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 07:28:52 -0800, Bill Maddox <Will...@Maddox.cc>
> wrote:
>
> > And here I was taught that you can't answer a question with a
> > question.
>
'Cause.
Eugene Goldman.·.
wrote:
> "Eugene Goldman.·." wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 07:28:52 -0800, Bill Maddox <Will...@Maddox.cc>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > And here I was taught that you can't answer a question with a
> > > question.
> >
> > Why not?
>
> 'Cause.
'Cause WHY?
Joe Schmuckatelli
>> > Why not?
>>
>> 'Cause.
>
>'Cause WHY?
ASK YOUR MOTHER. :-)
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>
>Want the recipe, Geno? <big evil grin>
>
>Anyone else?
>
Gentlemen,
Let's get down to a real teriyaki receipe.
1. 2 Chickens, or chicken parts as one may wish.
2. 2 Bottles of soy sauce.
3. 2-3 sprigs of garlic - fresh
4. 2 small chunks of candied ginger (fresh ginger is better however)
5. 1 cup of brown sugar
6. 8 to 10 lemons.
Mince the garlic and candied ginger. Add this to the soy sauce along
with the brown sugar. Slice one-half of the lemons and add to the
mixture. Add the juice of the remaining lemons to the sauce.
Bring to a low heat in order to disolve the brown sugar. Remove from
the heat and add the chicken. Cover and marinate overnight.
Place the chicken pieces in a deep pan along with some of the teriyaki
juice and bake on 350 degrees until done.
Yum Yum.
Teriyaki marinade can be saved and used again on beef or other items
of choice.
Jon Hahn
Brutton-Conner #1322 AF & AM
Dallas, TX
Bill Knight
wrote:
>
>>
>>Want the recipe, Geno? <big evil grin>
>>
>>Anyone else?
>>
>
>Gentlemen,
>
>Let's get down to a real teriyaki receipe.
>
>1. 2 Chickens, or chicken parts as one may wish.
>2. 2 Bottles of soy sauce.
>3. 2-3 sprigs of garlic - fresh
"Sprigs" of Garlic? Cloves, I would hope - or bunches, if you're going for
an "Anti-vampire" Teriyaki sauce(2 bunches would be about 25-30 cloves), but
unless there's a species I've not met (and I do know garlic!) There ain't no
"sprigs" of Garlic
>4. 2 small chunks of candied ginger (fresh ginger is better however)
>5. 1 cup of brown sugar
>6. 8 to 10 lemons.
The reset sounds good though - consider it saved!
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Vista Lodge #687 - (www.vista-masons.org)
Vista, California
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Bill Knight
(Joe Schmuckatelli) wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:38:05 -0700, Jon R. Hahn <jrh...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>Gentlemen,
>>
>>Let's get down to a real teriyaki receipe.
>
>>2. 2 Bottles of soy sauce.
>
>Quick question, if I may: how does soy sauce differ from Teriyaki sauce, if at
>all?
>
>...and I know what's on the menu next week. Or perhaps the week after... I
>wanna take a crack at the AntiVampire Chicken.
Consider Soyu to be Teriyaki without the sugar.
Joe Schmuckatelli
>Gentlemen,
>
>Let's get down to a real teriyaki receipe.
>2. 2 Bottles of soy sauce.
Quick question, if I may: how does soy sauce differ from Teriyaki sauce, if at
all?
...and I know what's on the menu next week. Or perhaps the week after... I
wanna take a crack at the AntiVampire Chicken.
RedRopers
Message-id: <38b59e1a...@news.swbell.net>
On 24 Feb 2000 18:41:01 GMT, redr...@aol.com (RedRopers) wrote:
> Subject: Re: Masonic Teriyaki Sloppy Joe Conspiracy
> From: Jouni Hiltunen jouni.h...@STOPSPAMvalmet.com
> Date: 2/24/00 12:21 AM Central Standard Time
> Message-id: <38B4CDA1...@STOPSPAMvalmet.com>
>
> Jack Hickey MM wrote:
>
> > >Subject: Re: Masonic Teriyaki Sloppy Joe Conspiracy
> > >From: br_...@pacbell.net (Eugene Goldman.·.)
> >
> > >Who is Gene.
> >
> > Precisely.
> >
>
> AHAA!
>
> So Gene's on first.>>
No, Gene plays Third Base. Just ask Paul Gould.
> But, I thought What was on first?
What is on second.>>
Does that mean that Idunno is on 3rd?
Jana
RedRopers
Date: 2/24/00 3:13 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: <38B59EF6...@Maddox.cc>
"Eugene Goldman.·." wrote:
>
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 07:28:52 -0800, Bill Maddox <Will...@Maddox.cc>
> wrote:
>
> > And here I was taught that you can't answer a question with a
> > question.
>
> Why not?
'Cause.
Cause why?<EG>
Jana
Jan Eaton
"Bill Knight" <kni...@fbkltd.com> wrote in message
news:hHWzOEFa08c1i4...@4ax.com...
> >BTW, do you guys have a 'Joshua club' out there?
>
> Umm. Whats a 'Joshua Club?'
>
> (The astute reader will notice that this is an answer.)
It's a fantastic Masonic organization...especially if you happen to be a
'Belly Mason' <g> In Philadelphia, they have one that meets at the GL for
a night of fantastic food followed by a Speaker. (BTW, have you ever heard
of the 'Knife & Fork' Degree?) Masons from four States come to their
'Meetings"!
Jan Eaton
"Jack Hickey MM" <jhi77...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20000223212140...@ng-fg1.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: Masonic Teriyaki Sloppy Joe Conspiracy
Who is Joe Conspiracy? And why is he Sloppy?
Jan Eaton
Club is a Masonic organization that meets occasionally for dinner and a
talk. The one in Philadelphia (PA) had both fantastic food and speakers.
They also had Mason from four States attending.
"jruble" <jru...@excelonline.com> wrote in message
news:sb8ro3h...@corp.supernews.com...
> Is that anything like a three decker ham, beef and cheese club? Just
> asking.
>
> SCOTTY
>
> "Jan Eaton" <jme...@starpower.net> wrote in message
> news:88vni4$s77$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
Joe Schmuckatelli
> > Umm. Whats a 'Joshua Club?'
> It's a fantastic Masonic organization...especially if you happen to be a
> 'Belly Mason' <g> In Philadelphia, they have one that meets at the GL for
> a night of fantastic food followed by a Speaker. (BTW, have you ever heard
> of the 'Knife & Fork' Degree?)
Saw the logo for that. It has promise. I have ideas. >:-)
> Masons from four States come to their
> 'Meetings"!
Bill... Geno... planning session...
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> Who is Joe Conspiracy? And why is he Sloppy?
You haven't eaten this stuff, have you?
Mav
wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 01:20:20 GMT, joeschmu...@KILL.SPAMFORD.WALLACE.NOW
>(Joe Schmuckatelli) wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:38:05 -0700, Jon R. Hahn <jrh...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Gentlemen,
>>>
>>>Let's get down to a real teriyaki receipe.
>>
>>>2. 2 Bottles of soy sauce.
>>
>>Quick question, if I may: how does soy sauce differ from Teriyaki sauce, if at
>>all?
>>
>>...and I know what's on the menu next week. Or perhaps the week after... I
>>wanna take a crack at the AntiVampire Chicken.
>
>Consider Soyu to be Teriyaki without the sugar.
>
Actually, it's more complicated than that. Soyu tends to be a tad
salty and strong to use straight as a marinade- I make teriyaki in the
following fashion(low sugar- I'm on a perpetual diet):
(oh....I mix this half-assed like everything else I cook- quantities
are approximate)
a bottle of soyu(soy for you gaijin)
large dollop of vinegar(preferably rice, but it doesn't matter)
large dollop of water or wine( I try to use some vermouth, when
possible)
artificial sweetener, to taste. I know, purists use sugar, but this
keeps the calories down, and you MUST use some kind of sweetener.
Toss in some garlic powder.
You can also glaze with this stuff if you thicken it w/ cornstarch or
arrowroot.
Dave Mavity MM
Eugene Goldman.·.
Schmuckatelli) wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 05:26:42, "Jan Eaton" <jme...@starpower.net> wrote:
>
> > > Umm. Whats a 'Joshua Club?'
>
> > It's a fantastic Masonic organization...especially if you happen to be a
> > 'Belly Mason' <g> In Philadelphia, they have one that meets at the GL for
> > a night of fantastic food followed by a Speaker. (BTW, have you ever heard
> > of the 'Knife & Fork' Degree?)
>
> Saw the logo for that. It has promise. I have ideas. >:-)
>
> > Masons from four States come to their
> > 'Meetings"!
>
> Bill... Geno... planning session...
Actually, I was thinking about this on the way in this morning.
A couple of years ago, I tried (unsuccessfully) to start a San Diego
Lunchtimer's chapter. Perhaps it is time to try again.
Lunchtimers is an informal organization of individuals associated in
some way with the fraternity (They do not have to be Masons, or even
related, just to have an interest), who meet for lunch once a Month or
so. I can think of several appropriate venues for doing so here. The
details can be settled later.
What say you all?
"San Diego Lunchtimers" - aye or nay?
|O| Be well. Travel with a light heart.
Who said that?
Brother Gene .*.
http://www.calodges.org/no442
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Eugene Goldman.·.
> > So Gene's on first.>>
>
> No, Gene plays Third Base. Just ask Paul Gould.
>
> > But, I thought What was on first?
>
> What is on second.>>
>
> Does that mean that Idunno is on 3rd?
>
> Jana
Ida (her married name is Knowe, her maiden name is Toljaso) is
actually a past master of a DH Lodge.
Joe Schmuckatelli
>Lunchtimers is an informal organization of individuals associated in
>some way with the fraternity (They do not have to be Masons, or even
>related, just to have an interest), who meet for lunch once a Month or
>so.
Pizza Rolls and Jolt. In the absence of Dave's Insanity Hot Sauce, Bill can
bring the Habanero Tabasco sauce I found for him at Albertson's.
(You didn't think I forgot about those, did you, Geno?)
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Eugene Goldman.·.
joeschmu...@KILL.SPAMFORD.WALLACE.NOW (Joe Schmuckatelli) wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:26:25 GMT, br_...@pacbell.net (Eugene Goldman.·.) wrote:
>
> >Lunchtimers is an informal organization of individuals associated in
> >some way with the fraternity (They do not have to be Masons, or even
> >related, just to have an interest), who meet for lunch once a Month or
> >so.
>
> Pizza Rolls and Jolt. In the absence of Dave's Insanity Hot Sauce, Bill can
> bring the Habanero Tabasco sauce I found for him at Albertson's.
>
> (You didn't think I forgot about those, did you, Geno?)
I was thinking more like Fuddruckers in Mira Mesa, or StirFresh in RB,
places like that. Not too pricy, but good eats.
Joe Schmuckatelli
>I was thinking more like Fuddruckers in Mira Mesa, or StirFresh in RB,
>places like that. Not too pricy, but good eats.
Rotate the meets around -- find some good fish taco places. >:-)
Eugene Goldman.·.
joeschmu...@KILL.SPAMFORD.WALLACE.NOW (Joe Schmuckatelli) wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:54:35 GMT, br_...@pacbell.net (Eugene Goldman.·.) wrote:
>
> >I was thinking more like Fuddruckers in Mira Mesa, or StirFresh in RB,
> >places like that. Not too pricy, but good eats.
>
> Rotate the meets around -- find some good fish taco places. >:-)
Absolutely! There is a WONDERFUL (or so I'm told) Hawaiian place in
PB, for example, and I would like to try it.
Jan Eaton
"Eugene Goldman.·." <br_...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> On 25 Feb 2000 03:57:39 GMT, redr...@aol.com (RedRopers) wrote:
>
> > > So Gene's on first.>>
> >
> > No, Gene plays Third Base. Just ask Paul Gould.
> >
> > > But, I thought What was on first?
> >
> > What is on second.>>
> >
> > Does that mean that Idunno is on 3rd?
> >
> > Jana
>
> Ida (her married name is Knowe, her maiden name is Toljaso) is
> actually a past master of a DH Lodge.
(mumble, mumble, mumble...as I clean the Screen...again!!!!) I've gotta
learn to NOT drink coffee when I'm at the Computer...
Jan Eaton
> What say you all?
> "San Diego Lunchtimers" - aye or nay?
AYE!!! (Although I'd have one heck of a commute...<G>)
jruble
SCOTTY
"Jan Eaton" <jme...@starpower.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Bill Knight" <kni...@fbkltd.com> wrote in message
> news:hHWzOEFa08c1i4...@4ax.com...
>
> > >BTW, do you guys have a 'Joshua club' out there?
> >
> > Umm. Whats a 'Joshua Club?'
> >
> > (The astute reader will notice that this is an answer.)
>
> It's a fantastic Masonic organization...especially if you happen to be a
> 'Belly Mason' <g> In Philadelphia, they have one that meets at the GL
for
> a night of fantastic food followed by a Speaker. (BTW, have you ever
heard
> of the 'Knife & Fork' Degree?) Masons from four States come to their
> 'Meetings"!
>
>
jruble
SCOTTY
"Jack Hickey MM" <jhi77...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: Masonic Teriyaki Sloppy Joe Conspiracy
> >From: br_...@pacbell.net (Eugene Goldman.·.)
>
> >Who is Gene.
>
> Precisely.
>
>
>
>
> Jack Hickey, MM
> Junior Warden
> Isaiah Thomas Lodge (No number)
> Eureka Royal Arch Chapter
> Hiram Council, RSMM
> Worcester MA
> http://www.masslodges.org
>
>
jruble
Who's on First, What is the second baseman. And, I am looking at the
script.
And, just remember, "I don't know" THIRD BASE.
Looking at the whole thing.
SCOTTY
"RedRopers" <redr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Subject: Re: Masonic Teriyaki Sloppy Joe Conspiracy
> From: Jouni Hiltunen jouni.h...@STOPSPAMvalmet.com
> Date: 2/24/00 12:21 AM Central Standard Time
> Message-id: <38B4CDA1...@STOPSPAMvalmet.com>
>
> Jack Hickey MM wrote:
>
> > >Subject: Re: Masonic Teriyaki Sloppy Joe Conspiracy
> > >From: br_...@pacbell.net (Eugene Goldman.·.)
> >
> > >Who is Gene.
> >
> > Precisely.
> >
>
> AHAA!
>
> So Gene's on first.>>
>
> But, I thought What was on first?
>
> Jana
Bill Knight
wrote:
> (BTW, have you ever heard of the 'Knife & Fork' Degree?)
With the volume of recipes we've been exchanging, and the constant
devolution of any particular thread to a food theme, you honestly have
to ask that question?
I daresay we're all fully qualified to give the lecture of that degree.
--
Bill Knight - Master Mason (www.fbkltd.com/knight)
Vista lodge #687 (www.vista-masons.org)
Vista, California
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