"seventy three years seven months"....
Bill Knight
On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 04:05:25 GMT, "Peter Jack" <p...@idirect.com>
wrote:
>me2u wrote in message <2000011506...@rigel.cyberpass.net>...
>>One more point which ought to be made about Nosty's
>>"seventy three years seven months"...
>
>>fact that V'Adar 5760 is the true month of impact.
>>
>The Lord Gave the "KEYS" to PETER. And the Lord
>Gave the name "PETER" to Simon. Where are the KEYS?
>They must be in the Name "PETER" itself.
>
>P.T.R = 5760
>
>in Hebrew, words are written without the vowels. PETER
>without vowels is PTR, which has gematric product value
>16.20.18 = 5760.
Considering that Nostradamus wrote in French, and you are mixing
Hebrew and English to make your gematria work, I'd say that the
results are more than a bit specious.
Peter's name in Hebrew, with or without the vowels, cannot be spelled
PTR. The Hebrew alphabet contains none of those letters!
Now, if you REALLY want to impress me, tell me how "Peter" would be
spelled in Hebrew, rather than in english, and perform your gematric
wizardry on that. (Finger upside nose)
>That's the "Hebrew Date" of the Christian
>year 2000. The Christian Year 2000 itself is suggested in
>the Holy Bible which has 31,102 verses, just 2000 verses
>short of the measure needed to complete the diameter of
>a circle measured on the fifth convergent of PI.
My my. Shoot the arrow, then draw the target. As you've obviously
chosen to prove that the year 2000 was or will be in some way
significant, lets just search until we find some corollary, no matter
HOW obtuse, and wedge it in. Just how far did you have to stretch to
come up with that association?
>So, what does it all mean?
>
>Well, think of this - the "square" of the number 24 is 576,
>and 24 is the measure of the "day" in "hours." So the sign
>is of the "hour" to come.
Completely non-sequtar. But amusing.
>What is the "hour"?
>
>Read the Bible.
At least you summed up with some good advice. Be it your holy book or
not, it must be agreed that the advice offered within is valuable, and
useful. Thank you for sharing.
--
Bill Knight - Master Mason (www.fbkltd.com/knight)
Vista lodge #687 (www.vista-masons.org)
Vista, California
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Jack Hickey
wrote:
>Now, if you REALLY want to impress me, tell me how "Peter" would be
>spelled in Hebrew, rather than in english, and perform your gematric
>wizardry on that. (Finger upside nose)
Once these people get going with their gematria, nothing can stop them
... least of all, facts and reason.
"Peter" is not a Hebrew name, of course. Peter's name was Simon, as
you probably know and the gematria expert probably doesn't care; and
the name "Peter" comes from a pun Jesus made on the Greek word
"petros," or Rock.
It seems that Simon was probably a very large, strong man, and Jesus
gave him the nickname, "Rocky." <theme music starts in background>
Mixing Hebrew and English words to interpret a French phrase, when
that wasn't even the man's real name, is pretty cool.
Jack Hickey, MM
Junior Warden
Chairman, Masonic Awareness Committee
Isaiah Thomas Lodge (No number)
Eureka Royal Arch Chapter
Hiram Council, R&SM
Worcester MA
www.masslodges.org
Peter Jack
me2u wrote in message <2000011606...@rigel.cyberpass.net>...
>On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, "Peter Jack" <p...@idirect.com> wrote:
>>me2u wrote in message <2000011506...@rigel.cyberpass.net>...
>>Read the Bible.
>>
>I've been asked before why kabalah, gematria etc. are
>not in my repertoire. It's responses like yours, Pete,
>which serve to remind me just how fortunate I am that
>I was never so distracted from preaching the gospel of
>Christ crucified. But I agree with your last sentence.
>
Well, gematria is used to record truth. For example,
JESUS = 10+5+19+21+19 = 74
MESSIAH = 13+5+19+19+9+1+8 = 74
So JESUS = MESSIAH,
but if you know this already, you don't need to see a
prove that the two are the same.
Peter Jack
Eric Stevens wrote in message ...
>On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 16:56:52 GMT, "Peter Jack" <p...@idirect.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>me2u wrote in message <2000011606...@rigel.cyberpass.net>...
>>>On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, "Peter Jack" <p...@idirect.com> wrote:
>>>>me2u wrote in message <2000011506...@rigel.cyberpass.net>...
>>
>>>>Read the Bible.
>>
>How well does it work in the original Greek - or does God speak modern
>English?
>
God speaks all languages - including English
Incidentially, the Great Khan (Karmapa Black Hat) see story -
http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/160100/detFEA04.htm
happens to be the 17th Karmapa. The number "17" refers to
that which is cast away or discarded. God brings the "flood"
on the "17th" day of the month, The Great Pyramid has a base
of 17 x 2, indicating the 17 is cast down to the ground. The
"NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM" on the Great Seal has 17 letters
and represents the banner "falling down" to the ground. These
are auspicious signs - 7 is the number of Judgement, like
the Book of "Judges" which is the 7th book in the Holy Bible,
etc.., so...maybe numerology is nothing at all, and maybe there
is something to it. Time will tell.
As the conflict with this "Great Khan" unfolds, we find earthquakes
in China (just happened), and we'll see more signs leading up
to d'day -- that is, if there is anything to prophecy at all...
W A Collier
says...
>
> me2u wrote in message <2000011606...@rigel.cyberpass.net>...
> >On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, "Peter Jack" <p...@idirect.com> wrote:
> >>me2u wrote in message <2000011506...@rigel.cyberpass.net>...
>
> >>Read the Bible.
> >>
> >not in my repertoire. It's responses like yours, Pete,
> >which serve to remind me just how fortunate I am that
> >I was never so distracted from preaching the gospel of
> >Christ crucified. But I agree with your last sentence.
> >
>
>
> Well, gematria is used to record truth. For example,
>
> JESUS = 10+5+19+21+19 = 74
> MESSIAH = 13+5+19+19+9+1+8 = 74
>
> So JESUS = MESSIAH,
>
> but if you know this already, you don't need to see a
> prove that the two are the same.
And what of the numerology in the originl Aramaic or German translations?
Your numbers are simply arbitrary and desperate attempt to read the mind
of God. Give it up - and if you truly belive, then you know you are
being blasphemous to your own religion - read up on soothsayers.
And for now, Plonk!
Henry Polard
nob...@noetme.com wrote:
And Stalin is better than Jesus - his name = 75!
Of course, that's roman and not Cyrillic, but what counts is the result,
not the method. :-(
So anything that = 74 is Jesus and the Messiah? Maybe somebody can program
a 74 generator and give us the results.
MIN = 36 - what does THAT signify? The Khan of Spam?
--
Henry Polard || My dictionary puts the cart before the horse.
Eric Stevens
wrote:
>
>me2u wrote in message <2000011606...@rigel.cyberpass.net>...
>>On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, "Peter Jack" <p...@idirect.com> wrote:
>>>me2u wrote in message <2000011506...@rigel.cyberpass.net>...
>
>>>Read the Bible.
>>>
>>I've been asked before why kabalah, gematria etc. are
>>not in my repertoire. It's responses like yours, Pete,
>>which serve to remind me just how fortunate I am that
>>I was never so distracted from preaching the gospel of
>>Christ crucified. But I agree with your last sentence.
>>
>
>
>Well, gematria is used to record truth. For example,
>
>JESUS = 10+5+19+21+19 = 74
>MESSIAH = 13+5+19+19+9+1+8 = 74
>
>So JESUS = MESSIAH,
>
>but if you know this already, you don't need to see a
>prove that the two are the same.
>
>
How well does it work in the original Greek - or does God speak modern
English?
Eric Stevens
There are two classes of people. Those who divide people into
two classes, and those who don't. I belong to the second class.
Eric Stevens
wrote:
>
>Eric Stevens wrote in message ...
>>On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 16:56:52 GMT, "Peter Jack" <p...@idirect.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>me2u wrote in message <2000011606...@rigel.cyberpass.net>...
>>>>On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, "Peter Jack" <p...@idirect.com> wrote:
>>>>>me2u wrote in message <2000011506...@rigel.cyberpass.net>...
>>>
>>>>>Read the Bible.
>
>>>
>>How well does it work in the original Greek - or does God speak modern
>>English?
>>
>
>God speaks all languages - including English
I noticed you snipped your little bit of numerology to which I was
referring. Of course it doesn't work in the original Greek and you
know that. That's why you snipped it. You know your numerancy is
nonsense.
Peter Jack
W A Collier wrote in message ...
>> >On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, "Peter Jack" <p...@idirect.com> wrote:
>> >>me2u wrote in message <2000011506...@rigel.cyberpass.net>...
>>
>> >>Read the Bible.
>Your numbers are simply arbitrary and desperate attempt to read the mind
>of God. Give it up - and if you truly belive, then you know you are
>being blasphemous to your own religion - read up on soothsayers.
>
No need to read the mind of God - he gave the book. The beauty is that
when I say that "Jesus" is "Messiah" I'm speaking the absolute truth,
which I "know" to be true. It is not a matter of "belief." Now, I may
believe many
other things besides this. I may think that Jesus is a man who lived 2000
years
ago, that he was the son of god, that he taught love, kindness, etc.. And I
may
think that the Messiah is a man who brings mankind out of bondage to sin,
etc..
but whatever my personal beliefs on the matter, the statement I make remains
unquestionably true. And I know when I say "Jesus" is "Messiah" many other
people will hear this and interpret the statement each according to his own
personal beliefs. But, regardless of "belief" the statement remains true.
That's
the beauty of the thing. The bible is full of such things.
Peter Jack
Jack Hickey wrote in message <388119ed...@news.MA.ultranet.com>...
>the name "Peter" comes from a pun Jesus made on the Greek word
>"petros," or Rock.
>
>It seems that Simon was probably a very large, strong man, and Jesus
>gave him the nickname, "Rocky." <theme music starts in background>
>
Jesus gave him the name "rocky" because he was steadfast in his
character, not because of his physique.
Dr. Roger M. Firestone
Peter Jack <p...@idirect.com> wrote:
>
>me2u wrote in message <2000011606...@rigel.cyberpass.net>...
>>On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, "Peter Jack" <p...@idirect.com> wrote:
>>>me2u wrote in message <2000011506...@rigel.cyberpass.net>...
>
>>>Read the Bible.
>>>
>>not in my repertoire. It's responses like yours, Pete,
>>which serve to remind me just how fortunate I am that
>>I was never so distracted from preaching the gospel of
>>Christ crucified. But I agree with your last sentence.
>
>Well, gematria is used to record truth. For example,
>
>JESUS = 10+5+19+21+19 = 74
>MESSIAH = 13+5+19+19+9+1+8 = 74
>
>So JESUS = MESSIAH,
>
>but if you know this already, you don't need to see a
>prove that the two are the same.
So Jesus didn't become the messiah until the English language was
invented, and these forms of the words were introduced into English?
After all, the word "messiah" is really an Anglicization of the Hebrew
word "moshiach," which means "anointed one"; the usual word choice for
"anointed one" comes from the Greek word "christos," but unfortunately
for your theory, CHRIST = 3 + 8 + 18 + 9 + 19 + 20 = 77, so JESUS !=
CHRIST, right? And certainly GOD = 7 + 15 + 4 = 26, so JESUS != GOD.
And also JESUS != LORD. And so on.
Of course, in Hebrew, Jesus's name would be rendered "Yehoshuah"; the
Aramaic gives us the more frequently seen "Yeshua." I don't have
gematria tables handy for the original Hebrew letters, but the whole
gematria thing is a matter of looking at dozens of "likely suspects" for
a relationship and mentioning the one random coincidence which happens
to work. It might be an amusing party game, but it is hardly a tool
that produces the truth, as I have illustrated above.
Roger M. Firestone, 32 KCCH
Moshe Shulman
wrote:
>BTW, Hebrew is _not necessarily_ written without the vowels. Look at
>any Reform prayerbook, for example, and you will see the diacritical
>marks used to indicate vowels and other forms of inflection. Native
>speakers of Hebrew can read without vowels, as can those who have
>learned Hebrew as a second language and who spend a lot of time
>practicing their skill...but most Jews who expect to be called for an
>aliyah will review the parasha intensively and practically memorize the
>passage in order to be sure of making no mistake.
ROTFL. Another lecturer in Hebrew.
moshe shulman mshu...@NOSPAMix.netcom.com 718-436-7705
CHASSIDUS.NET - Yoshav Rosh http://www.chassidus.net
Outreach Judaism http://www.outreachjudaism.org/
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Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
wrote:
>PS. If u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb as a lntic cnsprcy nut.
LOL! This is priceless, Doc. Absolutely priceless.
--
V.G.
"Whimsy is my bidness, an' bidness is GOOD."
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Peter Jack
Dr. Roger M. Firestone wrote in message
<865743$1dt6$1...@nnrp-corp.news.cais.net>...
>In article <oLmg4.38152$tT2.3...@quark.idirect.com>,
>Peter Jack <p...@idirect.com> wrote:
>>
>>me2u wrote in message <2000011606...@rigel.cyberpass.net>...
>>>On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, "Peter Jack" <p...@idirect.com> wrote:
>>>>me2u wrote in message <2000011506...@rigel.cyberpass.net>...
>>
>>>>Read the Bible.
>>>>
>>>I've been asked before why kabalah, gematria etc. are
>>>not in my repertoire. It's responses like yours, Pete,
>>>which serve to remind me just how fortunate I am that
>>>I was never so distracted from preaching the gospel of
>>>Christ crucified. But I agree with your last sentence.
>>
>>Well, gematria is used to record truth. For example,
>>
>>JESUS = 10+5+19+21+19 = 74
>>MESSIAH = 13+5+19+19+9+1+8 = 74
>>
>>So JESUS = MESSIAH,
>>
>>but if you know this already, you don't need to see a
>>prove that the two are the same.
>
>So Jesus didn't become the messiah until the English language was
>invented, and these forms of the words were introduced into English?
Revelation|1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith
the Lord, which _is_, and which _was_, and which _is to come_, the Almighty.
>a relationship and mentioning the one random coincidence which happens
>to work. It might be an amusing party game, but it is hardly a tool
>that produces the truth, as I have illustrated above.
>
That which is true is obvious. Other things may be not-true. These things
stand on their own merits as it were, requiring no additional truths to
support them. What appears random coincidence to one observer is
a meaningful pattern to another.
Eric Stevens
wrote:
>>a relationship and mentioning the one random coincidence which happens
>>to work. It might be an amusing party game, but it is hardly a tool
>>that produces the truth, as I have illustrated above.
>>
>
>That which is true is obvious. Other things may be not-true. These things
>stand on their own merits as it were, requiring no additional truths to
>support them. What appears random coincidence to one observer is
>a meaningful pattern to another.
Can you show us how it works just as well in another language? French
or German will do.
Peter Jack
Eric Stevens wrote in message ...
>>stand on their own merits as it were, requiring no additional truths to
>>support them. What appears random coincidence to one observer is
>>a meaningful pattern to another.
>
>Can you show us how it works just as well in another language? French
>or German will do.
>
Now, you're pulling my leg for sure. As far as I know, English, Greek,
Hebrew,
have gematric encodings, I'm not sure of any other lang. But, there being no
water in the lake doesn't remove the water from the ocean.
Eric Stevens
wrote:
I was going to ask for Greek but thought it might be demanding
slightly too much of your keyboard. Well, let's have your
demonstration of:
>>JESUS = 10+5+19+21+19 = 74
>>MESSIAH = 13+5+19+19+9+1+8 = 74
... in Greek.
Dr. Roger M. Firestone
Peter Jack <p...@idirect.com> wrote:
[snip]
>"Peter" probably comes from the Egyptian "Ptah". But, even the
Improbable. Egyptian was not an Indo-European language. In Greek,
"petros" means "rock" or "stone." As in "petroglyph" or "petroleum" or
whatever. Nothing to do with "Ptah."
>Egyptians wrote with "consonants" only. The point here is that there
>is a "Hebrew Date" hidden in the Christian name Peter, encoded in
>the "Hebrew Manner" of writing consonants only.
"If you torture the data long enough, they will confess to anything." I
guess the Dutch chaps named "Pieter" (I know at least one) won't be
participating in the Christian rapture because their version of the name
doesn't multiply out to 5760? What about the French homme qui
s'appelle "Pierre?"
>>BTW, Hebrew is _not necessarily_ written without the vowels.
>
>Redardless of modern modifications - all Hebrew gematria uses
>consonant only calculations.
Vowel points are _not_ a modern modification. A few diacritical marks
are found even in the Torah where necessary to remove an ambiguity.
Gematria is simply superstitious nonsense. The notion that a "Hebrew"
date is hidden in an Anglicized Greek name when written in "Hebrew"
fashion is preposterous on its face. Have you, by any chance, read what
your own Bible says about divination and sorcery?
The Will of God is _not_ heavily concealed, requiring divination,
gematria, and such nonsense to ascertain; it is within the reach of
every man that lives, would he but open his eyes and see!
Roger M. Firestone, 32 KCCH
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Douglas A. Taylor
Dr. Roger M. Firestone <rf...@chele.cais.net> wrote:
>
>The Will of God is _not_ heavily concealed, requiring divination,
>gematria, and such nonsense to ascertain; it is within the reach of
>every man that lives, would he but open his eyes and see!
Now *there's* a statement I can agree with wholeheartedly.
--
Doug Taylor | Nothing real can be threatened.
The Ohio State University | Nothing unreal exists.
doug-t...@osu.edu | - A Course in Miracles
Peter Jack
Dr. Roger M. Firestone wrote in message
>In article <VXsh4.60081$tT2.4...@quark.idirect.com>,
>Peter Jack <p...@idirect.com> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>>"Peter" probably comes from the Egyptian "Ptah". But, even the
>
>Improbable. Egyptian was not an Indo-European language. In Greek,
>"petros" means "rock" or "stone." As in "petroglyph" or "petroleum" or
>whatever. Nothing to do with "Ptah."
>
The Egyptian God "Ptah" is typically seen holding the "djed pillar",
which is the symbol of "stability", "steadfastness", or "unchanging
character" like a "rock." If I say today "you're Einstein", what I mean
is not that you "are" that individual "Einstein", but you are "smart"
like him. In the same way, when Jesus told Simon-
Matthew|16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon
this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail
against it.
"Thou art Peter" he means Simon is as unchanging as a "rock", as
stable in his character as the trait usually attributed to "Peter." And
in those days, the phonetic sound "Ptah" carried this connotation
and meaning. So, it is easy to see how the word developed from there
into the current English form, Which was a modification to contain a
number of gematric numerical "keys",
e.g. PETER ==> P.T.R + P+T+R = 5760 + 16+20+18 = 5814
and the nearest prime number to this is 5813, which is the
height of the Great Pyramid in inches (the largest man made rock)
and is the radius of the Solar Year circle, same idea emodied in
Stonehenge, etc.. the radius being like the diameter, the "fixed"
and "stable" part of the geometry of a circle, since the circumference
is where the "cycle of change" about hte center is usually considered
take place, etc...again encoding the idea of the "rock" in the
numerology of the name.
and so on....
>>Egyptians wrote with "consonants" only. The point here is that there
>>is a "Hebrew Date" hidden in the Christian name Peter, encoded in
>>the "Hebrew Manner" of writing consonants only.
>
>"If you torture the data long enough, they will confess to anything."
Nope.
>
>Gematria is simply superstitious nonsense.
A point of view you're entitled to.
>The notion that a "Hebrew"
>date is hidden in an Anglicized Greek name when written in "Hebrew"
>fashion is preposterous on its face.
I don't see why. It is well within the capacity of man
to create words with numerical encodings, look at
computer technology today, that's much more
"preposterous" as you put it.
> Have you, by any chance, read what
>your own Bible says about divination and sorcery?
>
Sure. And this isn't "divination" nor "sorcery." It's
gematria. Pure and simple numbers. As the bible
says -
Matthew|10:30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
as even the hairs on your head are numbered, so too are
numbers the keys to interpretation of the bible.
>The Will of God is _not_ heavily concealed,
Proverbs|1:6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words
of the wise, and their *dark* sayings.
in this context, "dark sayings" mean "hidden meanings."
To know the "interpretation" of a verse in the bible, "numbers"
are one of the keys to unlock the "hidden meanings."
>requiring divination,
as I said, this isn't divination. It's simple "interpretation" using
numbers.
>gematria, and such nonsense to ascertain; it is within the reach of
>every man that lives, would he but open his eyes and see!
>
Yes, it is well within the reach of those that have eyes to see.
No disagreement there. No PhD in Physics required. At least,
not usually.
Jan Eaton
"Peter Jack" <p...@idirect.com> wrote in message
news:_HIh4.65917$tT2.4...@quark.idirect.com...
>
> Dr. Roger M. Firestone wrote in message
> <8679to$1mpr$1...@nnrp-corp.news.cais.net>...
> >In article <VXsh4.60081$tT2.4...@quark.idirect.com>,
> >Peter Jack <p...@idirect.com> wrote:
<Material snipped>
> >"If you torture the data long enough, they will confess to anything."
>
> Nope.
Actually, Peter, you may be more familiar with the idea above
phrased as below:
"If you tell a lie long enough, people will believe it true."
<More snippage>
> > Have you, by any chance, read what
> >your own Bible says about divination and sorcery?
> >
>
> Sure. And this isn't "divination" nor "sorcery." It's
> gematria. Pure and simple numbers. As the bible
<More snippage>
I'm not sure what 'this' is; however, I'll ask you here what I asked in
an email that I have not received an answer to:
In the beginning of this thread you made the statement:
JESUS = 74
MESSIAH = 74
<Therefore> Jesus = Messiah...my question to you is that since
LUCIFER = 74 are you saying that Jesus = Messiah = Lucifer?
Bill Knight
wrote:
>This isn't "statistics". Sure, there is "interpretation" that goes along
>with the numerology. But, the numbers don't "lie".
As my Great-Grandfather was found of saying "Figures don't lie, but
liars figure."
Peter Jack
Jan Eaton wrote in message <868ji6$800$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>...
>Peter...
>
>"Peter Jack" <p...@idirect.com> wrote in message
>news:_HIh4.65917$tT2.4...@quark.idirect.com...
>>
>> Dr. Roger M. Firestone wrote in message
>> <8679to$1mpr$1...@nnrp-corp.news.cais.net>...
>> >In article <VXsh4.60081$tT2.4...@quark.idirect.com>,
>> >Peter Jack <p...@idirect.com> wrote:
>
> <Material snipped>
>
>> >"If you torture the data long enough, they will confess to anything."
>>
>> Nope.
>
> Actually, Peter, you may be more familiar with the idea above
>phrased as below:
>
> "If you tell a lie long enough, people will believe it true."
>
This isn't "statistics". Sure, there is "interpretation" that goes along
with the numerology. But, the numbers don't "lie".
> I'm not sure what 'this' is; however, I'll ask you here what I asked in
>an email that I have not received an answer to:
>
> In the beginning of this thread you made the statement:
> JESUS = 74
> MESSIAH = 74
>
> <Therefore> Jesus = Messiah...my question to you is that since
> LUCIFER = 74 are you saying that Jesus = Messiah = Lucifer?
>
>
Yep. So says the Holy Bible -
Revelation|22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these
things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the
bright and morning star (i.e. Lucifer)
Isaiah|14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the
morning!
Jack Hickey
wrote:
>
>Jack Hickey wrote in message <388119ed...@news.MA.ultranet.com>...
>>the name "Peter" comes from a pun Jesus made on the Greek word
>>"petros," or Rock.
>>It seems that Simon was probably a very large, strong man, and Jesus
>>gave him the nickname, "Rocky." <theme music starts in background>
>Jesus gave him the name "rocky" because he was steadfast in his
>character, not because of his physique.
I will accept that correction. Thank you.
Peter Jack
Bill Knight wrote in message ...
>On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 03:42:08 GMT, "Peter Jack" <p...@idirect.com>
>wrote:
>
>>This isn't "statistics". Sure, there is "interpretation" that goes along
>>with the numerology. But, the numbers don't "lie".
>
>liars figure."
>
Maybe, but regardless of what they figure, the figures make them
tell the truth.
mei...@qqqerols.com
<p...@idirect.com> posted:
>
>Eric Stevens wrote in message ...
>>On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:37:57 GMT, "Peter Jack" <p...@idirect.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>That which is true is obvious. Other things may be not-true. These things
>>>stand on their own merits as it were, requiring no additional truths to
>>>support them. What appears random coincidence to one observer is
>>>a meaningful pattern to another.
>>
>>Can you show us how it works just as well in another language? French
>>or German will do.
>>
>
>
>Now, you're pulling my leg for sure. As far as I know, English, Greek,
>Hebrew,
>have gematric encodings,
But you don't know that either. It is possible for Hebrew gematria to
be valuable only because Hebrew words are believed by many to be a
direct creation of God. NO ONE claims that for English or Greek, no
scholars or Church fathers or laymen claim such a thing. (Perhaps
Greeks of 2500 years ago who worshipped Zeus and Juno thought such a
thing but no one does now.) The word gematria was never applied to
anything but Hebrew, but people like you are doing it now to trade on
the reputation of Judaism. It is a misnomer to use the word gematria
wrt English or Greek. English letters don't even have numeric values,
they only have numeric places in the alphabet. That is not the system
in Hebrew no matter how much you pretend this is a Hebrew-like method.
> I'm not sure of any other lang. But, there being no
>water in the lake doesn't remove the water from the ocean.
>
There's no water in your ocean anymore than in your lake.
>
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Peter Jack
mei...@QQQerols.com wrote in message
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>In soc.culture.jewish on Thu, 20 Jan 2000 03:32:16 GMT "Peter Jack"
><p...@idirect.com> posted:
>
>>
>>Eric Stevens wrote in message ...
>>>On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:37:57 GMT, "Peter Jack" <p...@idirect.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>Hebrew,
>>have gematric encodings,
>
>But you don't know that either.
For Greek and Hebrew gematria, I suggest the following -
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0835606961/o/qid=948615576/sr=8-1/104
-6353280-4623655
>It is possible for Hebrew gematria to
>be valuable only because Hebrew words are believed by many to be a
>direct creation of God.
Ah yes. And so is the Holy Bible "King James Version" translation.
What you "believe" is your belief.
> NO ONE claims that for English or Greek, no
>scholars or Church fathers or laymen claim such a thing.
Direct or Indirect? I don't make these different. The "indirect"
manifestation of the works of God are only our "limitation" in
understanding the workings of his will.
>(Perhaps
>Greeks of 2500 years ago who worshipped Zeus and Juno thought such a
>thing but no one does now.)
I do.
> The word gematria was never applied to
>anything but Hebrew, but people like you are doing it now to trade on
>the reputation of Judaism.
You "separate" too much the this and that, but where you find no Jew
yet all is Judaism.
>It is a misnomer to use the word gematria
>wrt English or Greek. English letters don't even have numeric values,
>they only have numeric places in the alphabet.
And that's the system I have "discovered" works, A=1,B=2, C=3, etc..
>That is not the system
>in Hebrew no matter how much you pretend this is a Hebrew-like method.
>
There is no pretense. It either is so, or is not. You can find out for
yourself.
>> I'm not sure of any other lang. But, there being no
>>water in the lake doesn't remove the water from the ocean.
>>
>There's no water in your ocean anymore than in your lake.
>
As long as the fish believes there is no water in the ocean,
he won't bother to swim down the river to explore the sea,
and because of this, the secrets of the sea remain unknown
to the fresh-water fishes, who "know" the universe stops at the
river's end. In this way, truth remains hidden in "plain view."