I will die only for God and the Holly Spirt.
Each man is free to follow the dictates of his own conscience. If you
were involved in the Knights Templar stuff and have had a change of
heart then all you have to do is walk away from it.
Living for God and the Holy Spirit is, I think, somewhat more in line
with what He intends.
First of all is you are claiming to have been a mason, please give your lodge
number and any other masonic bodies (I will give mine at the end of this post)
secondly I would suggest before you go off the deep end ask yourself a few
1. If masonry was so objectionable why did you do it in the first place?
Could it be that nothing is wrong with masonry and you have allowed yourself
to be swayed by a few anti masons? Or books of lies such as "Masonry Beyond
2. If masonry is so fiendish how do you explain the large number of devout
born-again christians in masonry? I was a backslidden christian when I joined
the lodge, one of our past masters brought me back to the Lord and I am now
studying for the Ministry. Thats an odd thing for a bunch of devil worhipers
3. Care to post exactly what you think is wrong in masonry? Is it the
Bible as the Rule and Guide of Faith? Is it tenets like charity and brotherly
love? Is it the admonishments to live a moral and upright life??
Junior Warden Oklahoma Lodge #45 Durant Oklahoma
Worthy Patron OES Chapter #17
32d McCalester Scottish Rite Temple, McCalester Oklahoma
Noble in the Beduin Shrine Temple, Muskogee Oklahoma
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Sincerely & Respectfully
Bro. Manny Blanco
Moreno Valley Lodge # 804
Moreno Valley, CA
A Christian and a Mason..
I would denounce neither but would denounce any Church who could not see the
good in Freemasonry and accept my being a member of the Fraternity.
I am a York Rite Mason. I also am very active in the Ritual. Whatever he says
about the obligations I have not seen. If they are, it is symbolic only as we
all should know. My interporetation of the ritual seems that is what the
original Knights did (as close as possible). Maybe I am wrong but I find
nothing wrong with the riutal.
Sir Knight Christopher A. Harris, 32*
Senior Deacon & Lodge Education Officer of
McDonald Lodge # 324 AF & AM Independence, Missouri
(this is my masonic homepage with literally tons of links)
*Brothers & Non,
*I am a York Rite Mason. I also am very active in the Ritual. Whatever he says
*about the obligations I have not seen. If they are, it is symbolic only as we
*all should know. My interporetation of the ritual seems that is what the
*original Knights did (as close as possible). Maybe I am wrong but I find
*nothing wrong with the riutal.
No, but then again, you have actually *experienced* the ceremonies *first hand*,
as opposed to reading about them from someone with a point to prove.
|O| Be well. Travel with a light heart.
Eugene Goldman P.*. M.*.
W.M. Black Mountain Lodge, #845, San Diego, Ca.
p.m. Blackmer Lodge #442, San Diego, Ca.
Southern Ca. Research Lodge
A.A.S.R., Valley of San Diego
May Brotherly Love forever prevail,
and every moral and social Virtue cement us.
If you can read this, you have gone too far!
> I renounce the oaths taken and the curses involved in the Knights Templer
> degree of Masonry. I renounce the curse and death wish of Judas, or of
> having the head cut off and placed on top of a church spire. I renounce the
> unholy communion and especially of drinking from a human skull.
> I will die only for God and the Holly Spirt.
> Jon Riley
And would you let me know which web site you found this on? I've seen it at
three so far but wanted to know if I'd missed any....
BTW, why would anyone want to die for a "HoLLy" spirit, unless they are a druid
of some sort?
Dave "Yes, I'm a Knight Templar" Beitzel
There HAS to be a full moon out this week!!!!!!!!!!
> There HAS to be a full moon out this week!!!!!!!!!!
Or it could just be remnants of the solstice last week. Maybe too much
Jon has e-mailed me and asked why I was following "Hiller". Could somebody tell me
who "Hiller" is??? (I used to work with a fellow (and Mason) named Heller but
outside of that.... Maybe that's who he was talking about, huh? But I haven't seen
him in years.)
Isn't it curious too that SO many of those who come here to smear Freemasonry use
'hidden' mailboxes? Some Masons do to and have their reasons (most likely travel,
permitting them to do things while they're on the road to save them a
long-distance call to their ISP) but proportionately for the anti-Masonic faction,
it's certainly a LOT higher, isn't it? Why is that???
Poor Jon; either he's an absolutely atrocious speller, an adolescent with FAR too
much time on his hands, or someone who needs professional help. I'm betting on all
In article <6nbf5c$6...@drn.newsguy.com>, cogently wrote:
> From: Bytz
> Newsgroups: alt.freemasonry
> Subject: Re: BOAz, Jachin, Maha Bone, Amni Ruhamah
> Date: 30 Jun 1998 12:43:40 -0700
Have any asylums reported an escape?
Holly Spirt was one of the Greatful Dead groupies who saw every concert
the Dead gave as well as a few they didn't do.
> Jon has e-mailed me and asked why I was following "Hiller". Could somebody tell me
> who "Hiller" is??? (I used to work with a fellow (and Mason) named Heller but
> outside of that.... Maybe that's who he was talking about, huh? But I haven't seen
> him in years.)
Hiller was that guy who led the Narzees in the early thirties and
forties. Unfortunately for him, some guy by the name of Adolph
overshadowed him with a similar sounding last name and group.
Of course, he could be talking about the Hiller of TV's Hiller and
Diller fame (which lasted about three episodes or so before it was
cancelled by the network. But since the show isn't on anymore, how could
anyone or anything follow it.
- The mockingbird can change its tune eighty-seven times in seven
minutes. Politicians regard this interesting fact with envy.
Perhaps you are confusing her with Holly Spritzer, a grand old nog mad
for the Christmas season, with just a tad of carbonation. Not a great
whine, but a good one :-)
> There HAS to be a full moon out this week!!!!!!!!!!
Kurt - That was my immediate impression also, but - nope. Full moon
is more than a week away. :>
Renounce all you want, Jon, but by your cadvision address, I gather you
are in Alberta. The KT orders (they're not called degrees) in Alberta
are the same as the ones in B.C. and contain no church architecture,
no drinking from human skulls, and no death wish of Judas.
Btw, pg. 136 of the book talks about an "irrevocable vow". Kinda hard
to renounce it, even if it contained what you say, n'est-ce pas? :)
The Orders do contain a fair bit of symbolism .. eg, there is a skull
(a fake one :), but no drinking from it... and the fact that it IS
symbolism should be pretty clear to anyone who has gone through the
Orders. There are also quite a number of references to belief in Christ
as the Saviour .. at least in the final Order. The first, the Order
of the Red Cross, does not, as it is set in Old Testament times.
It could be argued the KT really isn't Masonry at all, just an
organisation open to certain MMs, but that debate is best left for
KT, Columbia Preceptory No. 34, Vancouver, B.C.
Part of the Yorik Rite, perhaps?