BOAz, Jachin, Maha Bone, Amni Ruhamah

[Jon Riley]

I renounce the oaths taken and the curses involved in the Knights Templer
degree of Masonry. I renounce the curse and death wish of Judas, or of
having the head cut off and placed on top of a church spire. I renounce the
unholy communion and especially of drinking from a human skull.

I will die only for God and the Holly Spirt.

Jon Riley

[gordon]

Have a nice transition :)

[gordon]

Have a good transition

[gordon]

have a nice transition

[Michael Higgins]

You know what, Jon? I don't think anything bad is going to happen to you
because of your "renunciation".

Each man is free to follow the dictates of his own conscience. If you
were involved in the Knights Templar stuff and have had a change of
heart then all you have to do is walk away from it.

Living for God and the Holy Spirit is, I think, somewhat more in line
with what He intends.

[eas...@redriverok.com]

In article <01bda3ea$ac5ea340$d502...@mycomputer.cadvision.com>,

"Jon Riley" <jon_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I renounce the oaths taken and the curses involved in the Knights Templer
> degree of Masonry. I renounce the curse and death wish of Judas, or of
> having the head cut off and placed on top of a church spire. I renounce the
> unholy communion and especially of drinking from a human skull.
>
> I will die only for God and the Holly Spirt.
>
> Jon Riley
>
>

First of all is you are claiming to have been a mason, please give your lodge
number and any other masonic bodies (I will give mine at the end of this post)
secondly I would suggest before you go off the deep end ask yourself a few
questions:

1. If masonry was so objectionable why did you do it in the first place?
Could it be that nothing is wrong with masonry and you have allowed yourself
to be swayed by a few anti masons? Or books of lies such as "Masonry Beyond
the Light"?

2. If masonry is so fiendish how do you explain the large number of devout
born-again christians in masonry? I was a backslidden christian when I joined
the lodge, one of our past masters brought me back to the Lord and I am now
studying for the Ministry. Thats an odd thing for a bunch of devil worhipers
to do?

3. Care to post exactly what you think is wrong in masonry? Is it the
Bible as the Rule and Guide of Faith? Is it tenets like charity and brotherly
love? Is it the admonishments to live a moral and upright life??

Chuck Easttom
Junior Warden Oklahoma Lodge #45 Durant Oklahoma
Worthy Patron OES Chapter #17
32d McCalester Scottish Rite Temple, McCalester Oklahoma
Noble in the Beduin Shrine Temple, Muskogee Oklahoma

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[MasonTruth]

Dear Jon,
First I would like to even verify that you are or were a Mason.
Seems as if you forget that MAsonry is the best friend to Religion. We stress
that a man dedicate and devote his life to God's Service. You seem to have gone
a bit off the deep end here. Anti-Masons that come up with this stuff usually
are misinformed or have ulterior motives. Do you claim to be a better Christian
then so many of us who are Chrsitians and happen to be Masons? Are you more
dedicted to God the the Brethren of other Faiths? I think not.. I see that you
are a bit overzealous but newness of your association with anti-masons wears
off you will see the error of your ways. Christ is not hate as the anti-masons
act with the false accusations and lies. You should always look deeply into
things before you jump in. What made you decide to become a MAson anyway? I
wish you good luck in your endeavors but keep in mind that atanytime you chose
to disassociate yourself from MAsonry you simply walk away. The big emotional
hurrah seems pointless unless done for attention.. In any event good luck and
God Bless.. BEfore you made such a jump I would have spoken to some of the
Brethren that are also Ministers. There are men of the cloth from every faith
in MAsonry..

Sincerely & Respectfully
Bro. Manny Blanco
Moreno Valley Lodge # 804
Moreno Valley, CA

A Christian and a Mason..
I would denounce neither but would denounce any Church who could not see the
good in Freemasonry and accept my being a member of the Fraternity.

[CHarris141]

Brothers & Non,

I am a York Rite Mason. I also am very active in the Ritual. Whatever he says
about the obligations I have not seen. If they are, it is symbolic only as we
all should know. My interporetation of the ritual seems that is what the
original Knights did (as close as possible). Maybe I am wrong but I find
nothing wrong with the riutal.
Sir Knight Christopher A. Harris, 32*
Senior Deacon & Lodge Education Officer of
McDonald Lodge # 324 AF & AM Independence, Missouri
MASTER MASON
http://members.aol.com/CHarris141/mason.html
(this is my masonic homepage with literally tons of links)

[Eugene Goldman.·.]

On 30 Jun 1998 16:05:17 GMT, charr...@aol.com (CHarris141) wrote:

*Brothers & Non,
*
*I am a York Rite Mason. I also am very active in the Ritual. Whatever he says
*about the obligations I have not seen. If they are, it is symbolic only as we
*all should know. My interporetation of the ritual seems that is what the
*original Knights did (as close as possible). Maybe I am wrong but I find
*nothing wrong with the riutal.

No, but then again, you have actually *experienced* the ceremonies *first hand*,
as opposed to reading about them from someone with a point to prove.

|O| Be well. Travel with a light heart.

Eugene Goldman P.*. M.*.
W.M. Black Mountain Lodge, #845, San Diego, Ca.
http://www.blackmountainlodge.net
p.m. Blackmer Lodge #442, San Diego, Ca.
Southern Ca. Research Lodge
A.A.S.R., Valley of San Diego

May Brotherly Love forever prevail,
and every moral and social Virtue cement us.

If you can read this, you have gone too far!

[CHarris141]

I just re-read the ritual to make sure I was making a correct statement. Yes
there is a symbolic penalty etc... So what. If he is leaving because of the
penalty just of the Templars, how did he make it through Craft, Royal Arch, and
Cryptic. They all have Symbolic Penalties. As for the drinking of the skull.
So what, it is a Livation (a toast) not the Lord Supper.

[Ed King]

In article <01bda3ea$ac5ea340$d502...@mycomputer.cadvision.com>, Jon Riley

scribbled:

> I renounce the oaths taken and the curses involved in the Knights Templer
> degree of Masonry. I renounce the curse and death wish of Judas, or of
> having the head cut off and placed on top of a church spire. I renounce the
> unholy communion and especially of drinking from a human skull.
>
> I will die only for God and the Holly Spirt.
>
> Jon Riley
>

And would you let me know which web site you found this on? I've seen it at
three so far but wanted to know if I'd missed any....

Thanks,
Ed

[Bytz]

Hey, is this like those prayers to St. Somebody that you sometimes see in the
classified ads? So, like if I post the same thing on several NG for thw next
week I'll have really good luck <G>?

BTW, why would anyone want to die for a "HoLLy" spirit, unless they are a druid
of some sort?

Cheers!
Dave "Yes, I'm a Knight Templar" Beitzel

[.]

Jon Riley wrote:
>
> I renounce the oaths taken and the curses involved in the Knights Templer
> degree of Masonry. I renounce the curse and death wish of Judas, or of
> having the head cut off and placed on top of a church spire. I renounce the
> unholy communion and especially of drinking from a human skull.
>
> I will die only for God and the Holly Spirt.
>
> Jon Riley

There HAS to be a full moon out this week!!!!!!!!!!

[Mglenn7]

Delete a lot...

>> having the head cut off and placed on top of a church spire. I renounce the
>> unholy communion and especially of drinking from a human skull.

> There HAS to be a full moon out this week!!!!!!!!!!

Or it could just be remnants of the solstice last week. Maybe too much
daylight?

Matt

[Ed King]

Clearly, he's been talking to Larry Holly, wouldn't you think? I wonder if the
Holly Spirt is some kind of a new soft drink he's giving to the SBC....

Jon has e-mailed me and asked why I was following "Hiller". Could somebody tell me
who "Hiller" is??? (I used to work with a fellow (and Mason) named Heller but
outside of that.... Maybe that's who he was talking about, huh? But I haven't seen
him in years.)

Isn't it curious too that SO many of those who come here to smear Freemasonry use
'hidden' mailboxes? Some Masons do to and have their reasons (most likely travel,
permitting them to do things while they're on the road to save them a
long-distance call to their ISP) but proportionately for the anti-Masonic faction,
it's certainly a LOT higher, isn't it? Why is that???

Poor Jon; either he's an absolutely atrocious speller, an adolescent with FAR too
much time on his hands, or someone who needs professional help. I'm betting on all
three, frankly.

Best,
Ed
=====================

In article <6nbf5c$6...@drn.newsguy.com>, cogently wrote:
> From: Bytz
> Newsgroups: alt.freemasonry
> Subject: Re: BOAz, Jachin, Maha Bone, Amni Ruhamah
> Date: 30 Jun 1998 12:43:40 -0700

[.]

Have any asylums reported an escape?

[Richard Watson]

Ed King wrote:
>
> Clearly, he's been talking to Larry Holly, wouldn't you think? I wonder if the
> Holly Spirt is some kind of a new soft drink he's giving to the SBC....

Ed,

Holly Spirt was one of the Greatful Dead groupies who saw every concert
the Dead gave as well as a few they didn't do.

> Jon has e-mailed me and asked why I was following "Hiller". Could somebody tell me
> who "Hiller" is??? (I used to work with a fellow (and Mason) named Heller but
> outside of that.... Maybe that's who he was talking about, huh? But I haven't seen
> him in years.)
>

Hiller was that guy who led the Narzees in the early thirties and
forties. Unfortunately for him, some guy by the name of Adolph
overshadowed him with a similar sounding last name and group.

Of course, he could be talking about the Hiller of TV's Hiller and
Diller fame (which lasted about three episodes or so before it was
cancelled by the network. But since the show isn't on anymore, how could
anyone or anything follow it.

[Tom Krummell (E. Scrooge, Esq.)]

Heck, I though it was something akin to Bock beer, a seasonal
refreshment which goes well with Annie Green Springs and Spañada.

tk
=====================

--
- The mockingbird can change its tune eighty-seven times in seven
minutes. Politicians regard this interesting fact with envy.

[Richard Watson]

Tom Krummell (E. Scrooge, Esq.) wrote:
>
> Heck, I though it was something akin to Bock beer, a seasonal
> refreshment which goes well with Annie Green Springs and Spañada.
>
> tk
> =====================

Tom,

Perhaps you are confusing her with Holly Spritzer, a grand old nog mad
for the Christmas season, with just a tad of carbonation. Not a great
whine, but a good one :-)

[Freemason]

Hey, I love Jesus, BUT some of His followers make me nervous.
<SNIP>

>I will die only for God and the Holly Spirt.<

Would that be Dr. Holly?

>Jon Riley

Randy Spradling
The Freemason

[Floyd Dennis]

"." <kas...@xworldnet.att.net(remove X's for reply)> wrote:

<snip>

> There HAS to be a full moon out this week!!!!!!!!!!

Kurt - That was my immediate impression also, but - nope. Full moon
is more than a week away. :>

Floyd Dennis, Jr.
Sam Davis Lodge #661 F.&A.M., Smyrna, Tennessee
http://sam_davis.home.mindspring.com/
32d AASR, S.J. USA, Valley of Nashville, Orient of TN
fbde...@mindspring.com

[Jim Bennie]

In <01bda3ea$ac5ea340$d502...@mycomputer.cadvision.com>, "Jon Riley"

<jon_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I renounce the oaths taken and the curses involved in the Knights Templer
> degree of Masonry. I renounce the curse and death wish of Judas, or of

> having the head cut off and placed on top of a church spire. I renounce the
> unholy communion and especially of drinking from a human skull.

Renounce all you want, Jon, but by your cadvision address, I gather you
are in Alberta. The KT orders (they're not called degrees) in Alberta
are the same as the ones in B.C. and contain no church architecture,
no drinking from human skulls, and no death wish of Judas.

Btw, pg. 136 of the book talks about an "irrevocable vow". Kinda hard
to renounce it, even if it contained what you say, n'est-ce pas? :)

The Orders do contain a fair bit of symbolism .. eg, there is a skull
(a fake one :), but no drinking from it... and the fact that it IS
symbolism should be pretty clear to anyone who has gone through the
Orders. There are also quite a number of references to belief in Christ
as the Saviour .. at least in the final Order. The first, the Order
of the Red Cross, does not, as it is set in Old Testament times.

It could be argued the KT really isn't Masonry at all, just an
organisation open to certain MMs, but that debate is best left for
another time.

Jim Bennie
KT, Columbia Preceptory No. 34, Vancouver, B.C.

[Richard Watson]

Brian C. Falldin wrote:
>
>
> Gee, and there is a human skull in Hamlet too...AHA! Shakespeare was a
> satanist too right ;P...
>
> Brian C. Falldin
>
> --
> Arcana Lodge #187 AF & AM

Part of the Yorik Rite, perhaps?

[mbarren...@gmail.com]

What is this?

[Mudge]

On 2014-12-16 12:03:36 -0700, mbarren...@gmail.com said:

> What is this?

Trollery, methinks !

--
The Canadian Curmudgeon (in -10C Calgary)
Remove noxious CO2 - plant many trees

[mbarren...@gmail.com]

1998? I am very confused

[pan...@gmail.com]

Guys those who consider us to be servants of devil have no idea about what freemasonry is all about..Let them write their stuff lets laugh and have fun and be glad they do not know anything about us.

[pan...@gmail.com]

[pan...@gmail.com]

[pan...@gmail.com]

[Mudge]

But, did it need to be said 4 times ???

--
The Canadian Curmudgeon (in 0C Calgary)

[wellnes...@gmail.com]

Beautiful

[lvls...@yahoo.com]

On Tuesday, June 30, 1998 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-7, Jon Riley wrote:
> I renounce the oaths taken and the curses involved in the Knights Templer
> degree of Masonry. I renounce the curse and death wish of Judas, or of
> having the head cut off and placed on top of a church spire. I renounce the
> unholy communion and especially of drinking from a human skull.
>

> I will die only for God and the Holly Spirt.
>

> Jon Riley

did u renounce the craft...

[dr.e...@gmail.com]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp4BQYV0-P0

[Percy Doctor]

On Tuesday, 30 June 1998 12:30:00 UTC+5:30, Jon Riley wrote:
> I renounce the oaths taken and the curses involved in the Knights Templer
> degree of Masonry. I renounce the curse and death wish of Judas, or of
> having the head cut off and placed on top of a church spire. I renounce the
> unholy communion and especially of drinking from a human skull.
>
> I will die only for God and the Holly Spirt.
>
> Jon Riley

Good Riddance....................

[juanbar...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, June 30, 1998 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-7, Jon Riley wrote:
> I renounce the oaths taken and the curses involved in the Knights Templer
> degree of Masonry. I renounce the curse and death wish of Judas, or of
> having the head cut off and placed on top of a church spire. I renounce the
> unholy communion and especially of drinking from a human skull.
>
> I will die only for God and the Holly Spirt.
>
> Jon Riley

god your an idiot. Every mason I know is a cristian

[lorenzo.san...@gmail.com]

Well said,brother

[kayqu...@gmail.com]

Good for you. I personally don't have to know all the "secrets of masonry" to know how full of shit it is is. From the very beginning. . Walking around blindfolded in your underwear with a rope around your neck, what's the point; to find people with no self respect who will go along with anything. And they say helping any of your fellow masons but what they really mean is obedience to your superiors. And who cares what a word like mahhahbone means, or if it means anything.. all I have to know is that grown men are going around whispering it in each others ears like a bunch of little kids. Who wants a bunch of little kids who can't even speak properly to have any influence in the world? Not me.

[ajarns...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, 30 June 1998 14:00:00 UTC+7, Manny Blanco, PM wrote:
> Dear Jon,
> First I would like to even verify that you are or were a Mason.
> Seems as if you forget that MAsonry is the best friend to Religion. We stress
> that a man dedicate and devote his life to God's Service. You seem to have gone
> a bit off the deep end here. Anti-Masons that come up with this stuff usually
> are misinformed or have ulterior motives. Do you claim to be a better Christian
> then so many of us who are Chrsitians and happen to be Masons? Are you more
> dedicted to God the the Brethren of other Faiths? I think not.. I see that you
> are a bit overzealous but newness of your association with anti-masons wears
> off you will see the error of your ways. Christ is not hate as the anti-masons
> act with the false accusations and lies. You should always look deeply into
> things before you jump in. What made you decide to become a MAson anyway? I
> wish you good luck in your endeavors but keep in mind that atanytime you chose
> to disassociate yourself from MAsonry you simply walk away. The big emotional
> hurrah seems pointless unless done for attention.. In any event good luck and
> God Bless.. BEfore you made such a jump I would have spoken to some of the
> Brethren that are also Ministers. There are men of the cloth from every faith
> in MAsonry..
>
>
> Sincerely & Respectfully
> Bro. Manny Blanco
> Moreno Valley Lodge # 804
> Moreno Valley, CA
>
> A Christian and a Mason..
> I would denounce neither but would denounce any Church who could not see the
> good in Freemasonry and accept my being a member of the Fraternity.

Actually it is not part of Fremasonry to mention one's religion or to speak of Religion, despite the belief in a creator, all religions are found to be members of Freemasonry, and so Brother Manny, on the square and on the level, you shouldnt be mentioning any specific Religion in connection with freemasonry. We have Muslims and Buddhists and all sorts, all except Atheists, and Freemasonry does not Belong to any single religion, Christianity Included

[ajarns...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, 30 June 1998 14:00:00 UTC+7, CHarris141 wrote:
> I just re-read the ritual to make sure I was making a correct statement. Yes
> there is a symbolic penalty etc... So what. If he is leaving because of the
> penalty just of the Templars, how did he make it through Craft, Royal Arch, and
> Cryptic. They all have Symbolic Penalties. As for the drinking of the skull.
> So what, it is a Livation (a toast) not the Lord Supper.
> Sir Knight Christopher A. Harris, 32*
> Senior Deacon & Lodge Education Officer of
> McDonald Lodge # 324 AF & AM Independence, Missouri
> MASTER MASON
> http://members.aol.com/CHarris141/mason.html
> (this is my masonic homepage with literally tons of links)

Probably made it through because 98% of lodges these days are not true lodges. The craft has been dispersed and lost, and Freemasonry is a moneypooling scam these days which admits any tom dick or harry.. and even sarah thsese days i see we have women freemasons in USA. These days you buy yourself into freemasonry, and pretend to be a philanthropist so you can meet other business contacts who also pretend to be philanthropists. There is little focus on creating a better world and saving Humanity, and mostly self interest and self promotion in the new generation of Masons. there is much selfishness in the hearts of the new generation of brethren, and most of them never had to endure what the older brethren had to, to get their intitiations. There is little care taken in screening and selecting the right material these days, loads of assholes in the craft.

[joes...@gmail.com]

Hello, I have a question if you don't mind me asking

If Masons are true followers of Jesus Christ, do you go door to door preaching and making deciples as Jesus told every Christian to do at Matthew 28:19-20? Do you go out and preach door to door?

[shazz...@gmail.com]

If this is true then we don't need to shout god god is in our hearts and knows whats right and we all be taken same time same place same plain same vibrations theirs no room for untruths untrust in your sole then you don't believe and god will know

[karey...@gmail.com]

You're not supposed to discuss religion (or politics) AT LODGE. There is no prohibition of any kind, to my knowledge, regarding discussing these topics outside of lodge, i.e. in our capacity as citizens, whether or not in connection with being Masons. By implication, aren't you discussing both by telling anyone you're a KT? Isn't being a Christian a necessary requirement for acceptance into the order? I don't know because although I'm a Christian Mason, I'm Craft/Scottish Rite solely. But everything I've ever read about KT's, including reliable authorities, says KT is an order for Christian Masons. There are plenty of Catholic Masons too, btw. Masonry doesn't bar Catholics from membership, and its questionable whether the Catholic Church still forbids Catholics from being Masons. The three rationales alleging incompatibility between the two putative belief systems (Masonry is not really a belief system at all), which "justify" the modern instantiation of the Catholic Ban, are transparently incorrect to any Mason (at least with respect to degrees 1-3). Masonry isn't inconsistent/incompatible with any religion I can think of. Nor does it demand you adhere to any. It just requires belief in God, in the broadest sense.

[karey...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 9:53:19 PM UTC-4, joes...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello, I have a question if you don't mind me asking
>
> If Masons are true followers of Jesus Christ, do you go door to door preaching and making deciples as Jesus told every Christian to do at Matthew 28:19-20? Do you go out and preach door to door?

“Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world” (Matthew 28:19-20)

Where's the "door-to-door" part?

[Johnny Angel]

Huh? Freemasonry is independent of religion(s)!

------------------------------------------------------------

[Cryptoengineer]

Johnny Angel <g...@heaveN.com> wrote in
news:s7SdnX_gofdJAC_B...@giganews.com:

There are Masons of many faiths - Christians, Jews, Muslims, Native
American, Pagan, etc.

pt

[drphil...@gmail.com]

It's the same in England, Great Britain, where too many lodges are run by a clique of elder brethren, who have spent several years in non-progressive offices that enables one or two to run the lodge for their benefit.

They also show great joy in criticising ritual, despite the fact that no-one is trained in their offices, nor rehearsals arranged.

These brethren are usually past provincial lodge officers who try to set themselves apart by telling new candidates to wear dark suits, whilst claiming the they are the only ones entitled to wear morning dress, despite the Grand Lodge rule stating that the choice between the two forms of dress is up to the individual.

It is these petty-minded brethren who are slowly killing off freemasonry. Our lodge celebrate its centenary this year; I fear it will be for the last time.

It will be 5 years before I become Lodge Master, at which point I will institute changes by removing the elder brethren, who are hindering growth and true learning. Lodges of Instruction will be held regularly, so that the right knowledge is imparted by knowledgeable Officers and Mentors.

[bsgate...@gmail.com]

Kudos!!

[Rj McCracken]

On Sunday, July 26, 2020, at 4:48:05 PM UTC-4, bsgate...@gmail.com wrote:
> Kudos!!

Yes, Kudos to DrPhil and his future intentions. I was raised to the sublime degree of Master Mason on the 16th of this month, and have already experienced the opposite of what DrPhil's Lodge experiences that I feel that I could add to this discussion.

First of all, my Lodge, Rural Amity #70, Athens, PA, this year celebrated its 225th anniversary, probably because of the amazing leadership within. The elected officers range in ages from their 20s to the 70s; appointed officers, for the most part, are the older brethren. From the day that I entered, I was schooled in the mysteries of the Apprentice Mason degree. Upon being raised a Fellow Craft Mason, my education has continued by men who really care about our Lodge, the craft, and the continuance of the established traditions within our community. I was not only mentored, but I was also appreciated. Now, I have been asked to serve in a minor appointed office, and to accept election as a trustee for the upcoming Masonic year. These assignments, of course, I freely and gladly accept.

My point is to show that not all Lodges suffer the iron hand of a few. Our Lodge flourishes because of the spirit of fraternal brotherly love, cooperation, and a willingness to share the Lodge and its governance by all, not just an elite, aged few. Any Lodge with an attitude such as ours can flourish; without the spirit of cooperation and sharing it will eventually fail. I know that I am blessed by having found that my local Lodge, although aged itself, is very progressive. It welcomes qualified members with open arms and immediately begins our Masonic education and our involvement in its operation.

Good luck to you brother DrPhil, and the future of your Lodge!

RJ