Clinton, Jews and Freemasons
Klaus Wagner
The current campaign to topple Freemasons President Clinton
after he dared to put some pressure on Israel towards a peace
in the Middle East is a historic development in the relationship
between Freemasons and Jews.
The idea that Antichrist Prince Charles along with King Hussein of Jordan
heads an International Freemason conspiracy against Israel as expressed
by Jim Searcy under:
http://www.dccsa.com/greatjoy/index.html
is probably a bit over the top, but it also shows Jewish feelings in the current
historical situation and exposes some cracks in the relations of Freemasons
and Jews who have just become allies united by the common enemy: Hitler.
For some time in the past Jews were not allowed to become Freemasons
nor were Freemasons allowed in the Catholic church.
The three important International groups kept themselves separate
from each other: Jews dominated the world of finance, Freemasons dominated
politics, especially in countries with the colors: red-white and blue
in their national flags, while the Vatican was left with influencing
Catholic countries such as certain regions of Germany, Italy, Spain, etc.
Recently it looked as though these three groups had somehow settled
their differences to form one Allied International Ruling Class,
but the political development in Israel after the assassination of Rabin
and the current Financial World Crisis has opened a completely new game.
W h e r e w i l l i t g o ?
-- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 в 18, R is number 18
in the alphabet, and E, letter No 5, and the 2 ( from II )
can be calculated into 37 in the following way: 3=5-2 ; 7=5+2.
With kind regards Dr. Klaus Wagner
Multi-Media Apocalypse 2000 online: Our Future Revealed:
> http://home.t-online.de/home/072722649
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/6672
Ancient biblical predictions about our present time and future.
Cliff Morrison
Elizardbe...@t-online.de wrote:
> The idea that Antichrist Prince Charles along with King Hussein of Jordan
> heads an International Freemason conspiracy against Israel as expressed
> by Jim Searcy under:
wibble
wibble
gloop
ri...@my-dejanews.com
I thought we fought one war to stop naziism and such statements. I guess we
will be fighting again one day.
--
Richard Jackson, PM
Corrigan Masonic Lodge #1103 AF&AM
Corrigan, Texas
In article <361ed70c....@192.168.100.3>,
Elizardbe...@t-online.de wrote:
>
> The current campaign to topple Freemasons President Clinton
> after he dared to put some pressure on Israel towards a peace
> in the Middle East is a historic development in the relationship
> between Freemasons and Jews.
>
> The idea that Antichrist Prince Charles along with King Hussein of Jordan
> heads an International Freemason conspiracy against Israel as expressed
> by Jim Searcy under:
>
> http://www.dccsa.com/greatjoy/index.html
>
> is probably a bit over the top, but it also shows Jewish feelings in the
current
> historical situation and exposes some cracks in the relations of Freemasons
> and Jews who have just become allies united by the common enemy: Hitler.
> For some time in the past Jews were not allowed to become Freemasons
> nor were Freemasons allowed in the Catholic church.
> The three important International groups kept themselves separate
> from each other: Jews dominated the world of finance, Freemasons dominated
> politics, especially in countries with the colors: red-white and blue
> in their national flags, while the Vatican was left with influencing
> Catholic countries such as certain regions of Germany, Italy, Spain, etc.
>
> Recently it looked as though these three groups had somehow settled
> their differences to form one Allied International Ruling Class,
> but the political development in Israel after the assassination of Rabin
> and the current Financial World Crisis has opened a completely new game.
>
> W h e r e w i l l i t g o ?
>
> --
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---------------
> E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 × 18, R is number 18
> in the alphabet, and E, letter No 5, and the 2 ( from II )
> can be calculated into 37 in the following way: 3=5-2 ; 7=5+2.
>
> With kind regards Dr. Klaus Wagner
> Multi-Media Apocalypse 2000 online: Our Future Revealed:
> > http://home.t-online.de/home/072722649
> > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/6672
> Ancient biblical predictions about our present time and future.
>
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Klaus Wagner
On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:36:29 GMT, ri...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Dr. Wagner,
>
> I thought we fought one war to stop naziism and such statements. I guess we
> will be fighting again one day.
I think you are already doing it.
The Overthrow-Clinton-Campaign looks like
a war between Freemasons and Jews about who controls America.
Obviously the one who controls th US also controls the world.
And the worst scenario would be that the outcome of this struggle
will decide the degree of the American involvement into the developing
World War III of Jews against Islam.
-- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 в 18, R is number 18
ri...@my-dejanews.com
It would be highly unlikely that Freemasons or Jews control America. For one
thing, both are a definite minority. There are only a couple of million
Freemasons at most in the US. A few more people practice Judaism. For a
nation-wide conspiracy to control the US, there would have to be a
nation-wide governing body of Freemasonry. There is no such body. In fact,
each of the fifty states is governed Masonically by a separate Grand Lodge
for AF&AM Masonry, and another for PHA Masonry. These Grand Lodges are
independent of the other and each sets its own constitution, laws, and
edicts, as well as ritual, etc. In fact, not all the Grand Lodges even
recognize the validity of all the others. How in the world can you expect
such a thing to transpire.
Now, if we were a small relatively homogenous country like Germany, I could
understand where such might happen in an extreem circumstance. It did happen
with another group which upsurped the democratic process and formed a
totalitarian dictatorship in Germany in the 1930's. It took a World War and
the deaths of millions of people to stop the evil that came out of that
takeover. It also took the near total destruction of Germany and a division
of the country.
Your post smacks of similar statements made by Hitler and his Propaganda
Minister as justifcation to do away with the remnants of democracy in Germany
and create a total takeover which led to the horror of World wide war. From
your name, I summize you are of Arian origin? Do you now live in Germany?
Or is your web site another commercial web site attempting to sell something
to gullable people?
--
Richard Jackson, PM
Corrigan Masonic Lodge #1103 AF&AM
Corrigan, Texas
d the 2 ( from II )
> can be calculated into 37 in the following way: 3=5-2 ; 7=5+2.
>
> With kind regards Dr. Klaus Wagner
> Multi-Media Apocalypse 2000 online: Our Future Revealed:
> > http://home.t-online.de/home/072722649
> > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/6672
> Ancient biblical predictions about our present time and future.
>
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MasonTruth
>Subject: Re: Clinton, Jews and Freemasons
>From: Rider.on.the...@t-online.de (Klaus Wagner)
>Date: 9/21/98 9:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <
>
>I think you are already doing it.
>
>The Overthrow-Clinton-Campaign looks like
>a war between Freemasons and Jews about who controls America.
>Obviously the one who controls th US also controls the world.
>And the worst scenario would be that the outcome of this struggle
>will decide the degree of the American involvement into the developing
>World War III of Jews against Islam.
>
>--
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------
>E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 в 18, R is number 18
>in the alphabet, and E, letter No 5, and the 2 ( from II )
>can be calculated into 37 in the following way: 3=5-2 ; 7=5+2.
>
>With kind regards Dr. Klaus Wagner
>Multi-Media Apocalypse 2000 online: Our Future Revealed:
>>
Dear Dr. Wagner,
Hate to say this but your posts do show a slide of what
Hitler was all about.. Do you really believe this stuff you post.. Why is it
that for every liitle thing that goes on in the world, masons and those of the
Jewish FAith get the blame? What if it was you reading a post like this, what
would you think? Can you give us some background please/ It might help fit the
pieces together as to why you think the way you do.. You are obviously and
intelligent man. Do you really think that there is a Masonic/Jewish master plan
to take over the world? I hope not..
Respectfully
MasonTruth
Bro. Manny Blanco
Moreno Valley Lodge # 804
Moreno Valley, CA
Mike Restivo
>
> On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:36:29 GMT, ri...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > Dr. Wagner,
> >
> > I thought we fought one war to stop naziism and such statements. I guess we
> > will be fighting again one day.
>
>
> The Overthrow-Clinton-Campaign looks like
> a war between Freemasons and Jews about who controls America.
> Obviously the one who controls th US also controls the world.
If Freemasons "controlled" America or North America or had any
geo-political force in the Western Hemisphere according to popular, but
false, conspiracy theory, I, a critic of Freemasonry and rogue Masons,
would have been silenced years ago, in one fashion or another.
The political partisianship manifested about the U.S. President's
problems appears more of a war between Republican and Democrat party
politics for which the incumbent President is the lighning rod.
The United States cannot even control its own congressional judiciary
proceedings which although supposedly constitutionally ruled, have been
hijacked by party politics. The Pax Americana fades evermore into
history as nuclear and biological weapons of mass destruction
proliferate in the Middle East and elsewhere world wide.
Your problem is that your 19th century conspiracy theories have been
debunked by the inexorable advancement of geo-politics, in which the U.K
and the U.S. no longer play the role that they once did, and did with
authority.
> And the worst scenario would be that the outcome of this struggle
> will decide the degree of the American involvement into the developing
> World War III of Jews against Islam.
The State of Israel has long been thought of as a nuclear power in
intelligence circles, and is remarkable by its restraint in not
employing its arsenal against Iraq, for example. Israel is quite
capable of defending itself in a nuclear engagement, without either the
permission or the participation of the U.S. or any other country.
The U.S. is already at war with terrorists who are more than able to
strike into the heart of America directly with biological and chemical
weapons of mass destruction.
Terrorists no longer fear the U.S., regardless of who is the supposed
real power behind the scenes.
>
> -- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 × 18, R is number 18
> in the alphabet, and E, letter No 5, and the 2 ( from II )
> can be calculated into 37 in the following way: 3=5-2 ; 7=5+2.
Your "Gematria" of Queen Elizabeth the Second's Insignia contradicts
Biblical prediction that the Lawless One, symbolized by "666", will be a
man.
Take the numerical equivalents of "William Cooper", "Arthur Bell" and
"John Daniel", all conspiracy theorists. The sum is 360, indicative of
the sum of the degrees in a circle, or region of influence, as it were.
3 + 6 + 0 = 9 and 6 + 6 + 6 = 18 and 1 + 8 = 9, thusly this circle
partakes of the nonad attribute, i.e. "9", of the number of the Great
Beast, it is also the number of points of the occult Eneagram symbol and
nine pointed star used by magician Aleister Crowley, who called himself
the "Great Beast" and whose mistresses, each, he dubbed "The Whore of
Babylon".
Thusly, these conspiracy theorists, ex hypothesi, are actually aiding
the forces against which they write. What better disguise than to
pretend to be one's own arch enemy?
† Mike Restivo
ri...@my-dejanews.com
Did you check out his web site? Another doomsayer with a nazi twist. It';s
offered in English and German. The last time I hears someone describing a
rider on a white horse was my world history teacher in high school talking
about who the German people were waiting for when Hitler and his bunch came
along. Zieg Heil! Could this be another German "Savior" under the guise of a
Christian? The German Army wore buckles on their belts that said (Translated)
"God with Us!"
--
Richard Jackson, PM
Corrigan Masonic Lodge #1103 AF&AM
Corrigan, Texas
In article <19980921163921...@ng131.aol.com>,
mason...@aol.com (MasonTruth) wrote:
>
> >Subject: Re: Clinton, Jews and Freemasons
> >From: Rider.on.the...@t-online.de (Klaus Wagner)
> >Date: 9/21/98 9:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <
>
> >
> >I think you are already doing it.
> >
> >The Overthrow-Clinton-Campaign looks like
> >a war between Freemasons and Jews about who controls America.
> >Obviously the one who controls th US also controls the world.
> >And the worst scenario would be that the outcome of this struggle
> >will decide the degree of the American involvement into the developing
> >World War III of Jews against Islam.
> >
> >--
> >-------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------
> >E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 в 18, R is number 18
> >in the alphabet, and E, letter No 5, and the 2 ( from II )
> >can be calculated into 37 in the following way: 3=5-2 ; 7=5+2.
> >
> >With kind regards Dr. Klaus Wagner
> >Multi-Media Apocalypse 2000 online: Our Future Revealed:
> >>
>
> Dear Dr. Wagner,
> Hate to say this but your posts do show a slide of what
> Hitler was all about.. Do you really believe this stuff you post.. Why is it
> that for every liitle thing that goes on in the world, masons and those of the
> Jewish FAith get the blame? What if it was you reading a post like this, what
> would you think? Can you give us some background please/ It might help fit
the
> pieces together as to why you think the way you do.. You are obviously and
> intelligent man. Do you really think that there is a Masonic/Jewish master
plan
> to take over the world? I hope not..
>
> Respectfully
> MasonTruth
> Bro. Manny Blanco
> Moreno Valley Lodge # 804
> Moreno Valley, CA
>
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redrum
says...
>
>Dr. Wagner,
>
>It would be highly unlikely that Freemasons or Jews control America.
For one
>thing, both are a definite minority. There are only a couple of
million
>Freemasons at most in the US. A few more people practice Judaism. For
a
>nation-wide conspiracy to control the US, there would have to be a
>nation-wide governing body of Freemasonry. There is no such body. In
fact,
>each of the fifty states is governed Masonically by a separate Grand
Lodge
>for AF&AM Masonry, and another for PHA Masonry. These Grand Lodges are
>independent of the other and each sets its own constitution, laws, and
>edicts, as well as ritual, etc. In fact, not all the Grand Lodges even
>recognize the validity of all the others. How in the world can you
expect
>such a thing to transpire.
Ah, but why let truth get in the way of a good conspiracy theory? :)
>
>Now, if we were a small relatively homogenous country like Germany, I
could
>understand where such might happen in an extreem circumstance. It did
happen
>with another group which upsurped the democratic process and formed a
>totalitarian dictatorship in Germany in the 1930's. It took a World
War and
>the deaths of millions of people to stop the evil that came out of that
>takeover. It also took the near total destruction of Germany and a
division
>of the country.
>
>Your post smacks of similar statements made by Hitler and his
Propaganda
>Minister as justifcation to do away with the remnants of democracy in
Germany
>and create a total takeover which led to the horror of World wide war.
From
>your name, I summize you are of Arian origin? Do you now live in
Germany?
Yes, he does. Look at his address.
>
>Or is your web site another commercial web site attempting to sell
something
>to gullable people?
I looked at it, and it appears he's certified nutso. He actually expects
people to download 52 interlinked HTML pages.
>
>--
>Richard Jackson, PM
>Corrigan Masonic Lodge #1103 AF&AM
>Corrigan, Texas
From one who should know. :)
-redrum
Barsstars
As a Christian, I find what Storm Tropper Wagner has written. This hatred is
sickening.
It is a real shame that this person is so stupid.
Regina Townsend
my beloved professors in college told us, 'far better to get a little
poison now and then and know it for what it is, than to swallow
it wholesale and lose your life.'
Now I wonder if the original poster has seen any Aryans in
recent days. Last I had heard they were in Persia.
My two pence,
Regina
Eugene Goldman.·.
Wagner) wrote:
*The Overthrow-Clinton-Campaign looks like
*a war between Freemasons and Jews about who controls America.
<ROFL>
To hear Fluffy tell it, the Freemasons ARE the Jews.
<LOL>
Listen to this guy and Masons and Jews are at war.
<LOL>
Oflf would have you believe that he, as a Christian, is a Jew and members of the
religion of Judiasm are not.
<ROFL>
Oflf wins! See why I named him that?
If only these folks could get their act together and stop contradicting one
another.
|O| Be well. Travel with a light heart.
And in case I don't see ya' - Good Afternoon, Good Evening and Good Night!
Who said that?
Brother Gene .*.
http://www.blackmountainlodge.net
Every day spent practicing Brotherly Love, Relief, Truth, Faith, Hope, Charity, Tolerance, Temprence, Fortitude, Prudence and Justice is a GOOD day.
Ross Slade
>
> The current campaign to topple Freemasons President Clinton
>
Clinton the Freemason's president?
Prince Charles is the anticrist?
Man, your cake has flopped...
-Ross
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>
>Klaus Wagner wrote:
>>
>> The current campaign to topple Freemasons President Clinton
>>
>> The idea that Antichrist Prince Charles along with King Hussein of
Jordan
>
>Clinton the Freemason's president?
>Prince Charles is the anticrist?
>
>Man, your cake has flopped...
Yep, and the Queen is the Beast of Revelations. Go to his web page and
he asks you to download 52 pages of HTML. Sure enough, he's certifiable.
And a Nazi too. (Actually, I think the two are mutually inclusive.)
>
>-Ross
-redrum
>
>--
><http://www.fl.net.au/~rosco>
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/1846/
Klaus Wagner
On 21 Sep 1998 20:39:21 GMT, mason...@aol.com (MasonTruth) wrote:
> Dear Dr. Wagner,
> Hate to say this but your posts do show a slide of what
> Hitler was all about.. Do you really believe this stuff you post.. Why is it
> that for every little thing that goes on in the world, masons and those of the
> Jewish Faith get the blame?
To begin with I do not blame people, nor do I believe that all Jews
or Freemasons work together in sinister plans. What I try to do is
to look for the hidden background of current events and put them
into a historical perspective with the intention of warning people
of destructive tendencies in the world today, which may well turn out
disastrous if they continue.
My basic assumption is that the current Overthrow-Clinton-Campaign
has political reasons and does not seek to restore good old sexual morals,
if there ever was such thing. The one logic reason why people would want
to get rid of Clinton seems to be the situation in the Middle East and his
reluctance to unconditionally support the disastrous policies of the current
Israeli government. I cannot see a better theory.
If you know one, let us know. I know that I may be wrong here, but this is
always the danger one has to accept trying to make sense of apparently
unreasonable events. A weak theory is always better than none.
>Do you really think that there is a Masonic/Jewish master plan
> to take over the world? I hope not..
There is no denying the fact that the world today is dominated
by the Anglo-American culture, nor can you claim that the American Revolution
was not dominated by Freemasons, for example George Washington
or Benjamin Franklin. The same applies to the French Revolution,
and it was through those revolutions that the current dominant ideology
of "Liberalism", Capitalism and Parliamentarism started to take over the world.
Talking about a "Masonic/Jewish master plan to take over the world" means trying
to discredit people who merely analyze history with the intention to make
them look mad. This is not at all helpful for our future. Our world is in such
a state that we do have to blame the ruling class, the people in power,
because they are doing a very bad job. Many of them happen to be Freemasons
and Jews. Obviously this does not mean all Jews and Freemasons are to blame.
Jews and Freemasons who are not responsible should not defend those
who are either.
-- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 в 18, R is number 18
in the alphabet, and E, letter No 5, and the 2 ( from II )
can be calculated into 37 in the following way: 3=5-2 ; 7=5+2.
With kind regards Dr. Klaus Wagner
Multi-Media Apocalypse 2000 online: Our Future Revealed:
Klaus Wagner
> As a Christian, I find what Storm Tropper Wagner has written. This hatred is
> sickening.
> It is a real shame that this person is so stupid.
There is not hatred in what I write, only worry that we are heading towards
total destruction. The disasters we currently see on the news every day
seem to be just the beginning ...
-- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 × 18, R is number 18
Klaus Wagner
Regina Townsend <reg...@sunflower.com> wrote:
> Yes indeed the post was a blatant bit of poison. But as one of
> my beloved professors in college told us, 'far better to get a little
> poison now and then and know it for what it is, than to swallow
> it wholesale and lose your life.'
I am afraid the real issue here is: better start thinking about the future now
than ignore dangers and adverse developments, until they hit you and you lose
your life.
Klaus Wagner
On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:49:31 GMT, ri...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Manny,
>
> Did you check out his web site? Another doomsayer with a nazi twist. It';s
> offered in English and German. The last time I hears someone describing a
> rider on a white horse was my world history teacher in high school talking
> about who the German people were waiting for when Hitler and his bunch came
> along. Zieg Heil! Could this be another German "Savior" under the guise of a
> Christian? The German Army wore buckles on their belts that said (Translated)
> "God with Us!"
My web site tells you how the Bible predicted disasters of our time,
which are signs of the end of our age. The Bible also tells us why these things
happen and what we have to do to stop them. These disasters will continue,
no matter how you libel, slander or ignore me, until people are so desperate
that they will welcome my explanations about what is happening to them.
The danger is that it may already be too late by then.
-- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 в 18, R is number 18
Klaus Wagner
<mtro...@REMOVETHISPARTpathcom.com> wrote:
> False Prophet Exposed
The False Prophet has been predicted in the Bible, Book of Revelation,
chapter 19 and chapter 16. It is Tony Blair.
> The political partisanship manifested about the U.S. President's
> problems appears more of a war between Republican and Democrat party
> politics for which the incumbent President is the lighning rod.
Party politics on their own have been around for decades without attempts
to overthrow Presidents for this reason. You have to look at the political
issues behind party interests, you have to try and figure out what is actually
going to change when Clinton is gone to understand what is happening.
> Your "Gematria" of Queen Elizabeth the Second's Insignia contradicts
> Biblical prediction that the Lawless One, symbolized by "666", will be a
> man.
Man equals human being in many languages and can therefore also be a woman.
The Book of Revelation, chapter 13 predicts the Beast 666 with features
that have all been fulfilled by the present "Queen" of England.
It does not call "Queen" Elizardbeast the Lawless One, and adding things
to the Revelation is forbidden and punishable with eternal damnation
according to chapter 22.
JGA...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
> has political reasons and does not seek to restore good old sexual morals,
> if there ever was such thing. The one logic reason why people would want
> to get rid of Clinton seems to be the situation in the Middle East and his
> reluctance to unconditionally support the disastrous policies of the current
> Israeli government. I cannot see a better theory.<
What is equally interesting is that most of the extreme rightists were
calling Clinton a Jew-lover who surrounded himself by all Jews who were
members of the Zionist Occupied Government (ZOG). Now they suddenly love
Clinton and it's Netanyahu and his American supporters doing everything
to topple CLinton. You got the JEws covered, coming or going.
AUBREY BROWN SR
It must be one of those alien invasions or something, they're coming out of
the woodwork lately!
--
Past Master Aubrey Brown Sr.
Eureka Lodge No. 64 F&AM
Grand Historian MWPHGL of IL
aubrey...@worldnet.att.net
ri...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <6u6blf$m02$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>Dr. Wagner,
>
>It would be highly unlikely that Freemasons or Jews control America. For
one
>thing, both are a definite minority. There are only a couple of million
>Freemasons at most in the US. A few more people practice Judaism. For a
>nation-wide conspiracy to control the US, there would have to be a
>nation-wide governing body of Freemasonry. There is no such body. In
fact,
>each of the fifty states is governed Masonically by a separate Grand Lodge
>for AF&AM Masonry, and another for PHA Masonry. These Grand Lodges are
>independent of the other and each sets its own constitution, laws, and
>edicts, as well as ritual, etc. In fact, not all the Grand Lodges even
>recognize the validity of all the others. How in the world can you expect
>such a thing to transpire.
>
>Now, if we were a small relatively homogenous country like Germany, I could
>understand where such might happen in an extreem circumstance. It did
happen
>with another group which upsurped the democratic process and formed a
>totalitarian dictatorship in Germany in the 1930's. It took a World War
and
>the deaths of millions of people to stop the evil that came out of that
>takeover. It also took the near total destruction of Germany and a
division
>of the country.
>
>Your post smacks of similar statements made by Hitler and his Propaganda
>Minister as justifcation to do away with the remnants of democracy in
Germany
>and create a total takeover which led to the horror of World wide war.
From
>your name, I summize you are of Arian origin? Do you now live in Germany?
>
>Or is your web site another commercial web site attempting to sell
something
>to gullable people?
>
>--
>Richard Jackson, PM
>Corrigan Masonic Lodge #1103 AF&AM
>Corrigan, Texas
>
>
>d the 2 ( from II )
>> can be calculated into 37 in the following way: 3=5-2 ; 7=5+2.
>>
>> With kind regards Dr. Klaus Wagner
>> Multi-Media Apocalypse 2000 online: Our Future Revealed:
>> > http://home.t-online.de/home/072722649
>> > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/6672
>> Ancient biblical predictions about our present time and future.
>>
>
>
>
Mike Restivo
M.R.<<Your "Gematria" of Queen Elizabeth the Second's Insignia
contradicts
Biblical prediction that the Lawless One, symbolized by "666", will be a
man.>>
a woman.>>
Not accoding to both the Books of Daniel and Revelation.
K.W.<<The Book of Revelation, chapter 13 predicts the Beast 666 with
features
that have all been fulfilled by the present "Queen" of England.>>
Prove it.
K.W.<<It does not call "Queen" Elizardbeast the Lawless One>>
It is I who equated the "Lawless One" with the Great Beast. That you
cannot distinguish Paul's allusion to the apocalypse in 2 Thess. 2 et
sequia, i.e. "the man of Lawlessness" and the Revelation of Jesus Christ
to John, i.e. the False prophet, Great Beast, Lesser Beast, etc.,
disqualifies you from any familiarity with Christian Scripture.
K.W.<<, and adding things
to the Revelation is forbidden and punishable with eternal damnation
according to chapter 22.>>
That admonition and interdiction has not restrained you from doing that
very thing.
† Mike Restivo
DangerMouse
Lodge of Israel, don't you?
DM, PM
ri...@my-dejanews.com
In which way did I libel, slander, OR ignore you? I gave the opinion that
you were another doomsayer with a nazi twist. Your words in the post this
newsgroup resemble the same arguments used by nazi propagandists for taking
over Germany and carrying out the "final solution". The story about my HS
history teacher is true. His words were : "The people in Germany, suffering
from an economic depression were waiting for their 'knight on a white horse'
to come along. Adolph Hitler appeared and the rest is history."
True or not? More people have been killed by those professing to do so in the
name of Christ than by any other group. If yo have studied the end of the
World in the Bible and attempted to correlate it with events that have
occurred, you must have data to back up your claims. Much of that data will
also have what I ask. What does your own research show you? What does common
sense tell you?
To lander or libel someone, a statement must be a lie. Where did I lie about
you?
My Bible tells me that the end of the World is inevitable and not undesires.
It also tells me that God will come again to judge the living and the dead and
the worthy will dwell with him forever. How do you propose we stop what will
be? Why would those of us who are Christian wish to stop it? It is the
culmination of Christian existence and the final reward for all who have been
true to the faith.
Only those who have reason to fear the Judgement would wish to stop the end of
the world. Why do you so fear the Judgement Day?
By the way, are you a Doctor of Philosophy, Religion, or what? What
University did you receive your doctorate from? I would like to establish
that your credentials are valid.
--
Richard Jackson, PM
Corrigan Masonic Lodge #1103 AF&AM
Corrigan, Texas
In article <36120528...@192.168.100.3>,
Elizardbe...@t-online.de wrote:
>
> On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:49:31 GMT, ri...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > Manny,
> >
> > Did you check out his web site? Another doomsayer with a nazi twist. It';s
> > offered in English and German. The last time I hears someone describing a
> > rider on a white horse was my world history teacher in high school talking
> > about who the German people were waiting for when Hitler and his bunch came
> > along. Zieg Heil! Could this be another German "Savior" under the guise of
a
> > Christian? The German Army wore buckles on their belts that said
(Translated)
> > "God with Us!"
>
> My web site tells you how the Bible predicted disasters of our time,
> which are signs of the end of our age. The Bible also tells us why these
things
> happen and what we have to do to stop them. These disasters will continue,
> no matter how you libel, slander or ignore me, until people are so desperate
> that they will welcome my explanations about what is happening to them.
>
> The danger is that it may already be too late by then.
>
> --
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
> E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 в 18, R is number 18
> in the alphabet, and E, letter No 5, and the 2 ( from II )
RedRopers
From: ri...@my-dejanews.com
Date: Mon, Sep 21, 1998 19:49 EDT
The German Army wore buckles on their belts that said (Translated)
"God with Us!"
Doesn't every warring faction think God is on their side? Personally, I never
really thought God was on any side when it come to murder.
Jana
RedRopers
From: Rider.on.the...@t-online.de (Klaus Wagner)
The Bible also tells us why these things
happen and what we have to do to stop them. These disasters will continue, no
matter how you libel, slander or ignore me, until people are so desperate that
they will welcome my explanations about what is happening to them.
Sure it's going to happen anyway. You can't stop it, there's nothing you can
do. So, why not make sure you and your's are safe when the end finally comes?
Jana
J Fisher
: What is equally interesting is that most of the extreme rightists were
: calling Clinton a Jew-lover who surrounded himself by all Jews who were
: members of the Zionist Occupied Government (ZOG). Now they suddenly love
: Clinton and it's Netanyahu and his American supporters doing everything
: to topple CLinton. You got the JEws covered, coming or going.
Dr Wagner is a long-time eccentric inhabitant of the uk.* groups.
Experience indicates that there is no point in attempting to
discuss anything with him; he merely repeats his numerological,
er, data again and again. It's difficult not to get fairly
annoyed with him, but I would suggest, without a lot of hope,
that ignoring him is a better policy.
--
--John
MasonTruth
>Message-id: <36120528...@192.168.100.3>
>My web site tells you how the Bible predicted disasters of our time,
>which are signs of the end of our age. The Bible also tells us why these
>things
>happen and what we have to do to stop them. These disasters will continue,
>no matter how you libel, slander or ignore me, until people are so desperate
>that they will welcome my explanations about what is happening to them.
>
>The danger is that it may already be too late by then.
>
>--
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------
>E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 в 18, R is number 18
>in the alphabet, and E, letter No 5, and the 2 ( from II )
>can be calculated into 37 in the following way: 3=5-2 ; 7=5+2.
>
>With kind regards Dr. Klaus Wagner
>Multi-Media Apocalypse 2000 online: Our Future Revealed:
>>
Dear Sir,
While I browsed through your site for a moment I did not spend much time there.
I think that predictions are okay but I have trouble with anyone who would
blame any group or two groups for all the problems in the world. Many people
who attempt to forsee the future do so with an ulterior motive.
I hope that you are not one of these.. I certainly am not the Scholar that you
obviously are but I feel that Jewsih people and Masons can not be the ruination
of the world.. In round about ways you also seem to be pushing the same line of
thought.. Masonry
is a fraternity that brings together men of all walks of life.. Masons do not
or should be concerned about a man's Faith, Color of his skin, or what Country
he is from. That is how all people should be.. Do you fit in that category? I
am not attempting in any way to insult you. I am trying to see where you are
coming from.. Thank you.
Sincerely & Respectfully
MasonTruth
>Subject: Re: Clinton, Jews and Freemasons
>From: Rider.on.the...@t-online.de (Klaus Wagner)
>Date: 9/21/98 7:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>
>To begin with I do not blame people, nor do I believe that all Jews
>or Freemasons work together in sinister plans. What I try to do is
>to look for the hidden background of current events and put them
>into a historical perspective with the intention of warning people
>of destructive tendencies in the world today, which may well turn out
>disastrous if they continu
True, you later bring out that only some are attempting to take over the world.
Why must everthing have a hidden agenda as you suggest. Bible Prophesy tells
us what will happen..
>My basic assumption is that the current Overthrow-Clinton-Campaign
>has political reasons and does not seek to restore good old sexual morals,
>if there ever was such thing. The one logic reason why people would want
>to get rid of Clinton seems to be the situation in the Middle East and his
>reluctance to unconditionally support the disastrous policies of the current
>Israeli government.
I see that you harbor no bad feelings toward Jewish People... Blaming Clinton's
lack of good sense and morals has no berring on the problems he is facing
today. How the Isreali Government got into this one is exactly what I am
talking about.. Could it be Dr. that it is you who through what you are trying
to say are simply hiding an agenda of your own?
abelard
(Klaus Wagner)
typed:
>My basic assumption is that the current Overthrow-Clinton-Campaign
>has political reasons and does not seek to restore good old sexual morals,
>if there ever was such thing.
politics make strange bedfellows.....
the pseudo mainly 'christian' repressive puritanical
caucus has hijacked the republican machine....
ALL that interests them is SEX....
it is a reaction to oppression.
> The one logic reason why people would want
>to get rid of Clinton seems to be the situation in the Middle East and his
>reluctance to unconditionally support the disastrous policies of the current
>Israeli government. I cannot see a better theory.
i think you are generally rather batty...however, i do not
entirely discount your suggestion.
the old time socialists also do not like clinton...
clinton is clearly a rationalist....the forces of fundamentalism
and unreason are naturally not pleased....
fortunately they appear to be a shrinking minority in the states....
note the standing ovation at the un yesterday while the
sex police pursued their navel gazing porn agenda....
as clinton says...if ireland sticks..it will be a beacon to the world.
clinton's opponents may be noisy and nasty...
but much of the noise is panic as the lunatics see their
fundamentalist world of certainties going down the plughole....
they are becoming ever easier to defeat as they become an
ever smaller aging minority and a few pig ignorant firebrands.
regards.
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
abelard
socratic gadfly - please e-mail if response required
abelard @ abelard.demon.co.uk
all that is necessary for I walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that I a big stick.
good people do nothing I trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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ri...@my-dejanews.com
claims:
Their God is on their side and therefore they are in the right, and the magic
bullet (our weapons are superior to the other side's , therefore we will win.)
This guy bugs me with his all to familiar statements. I've read that the
neo-nazis are on the uprise in Germany in a big way. Perhaps this guy is one
example.
--
Richard Jackson, PM
Corrigan Masonic Lodge #1103 AF&AM
Corrigan, Texas
In article <19980922075858...@ng137.aol.com>,
-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
Dr. Roger M. Firestone
Klaus Wagner <Elizardbe...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>The current campaign to topple Freemasons President Clinton
>in the Middle East is a historic development in the relationship
>between Freemasons and Jews.
Bill Clinton is not a Freemason. The last US President to be a
Freemason was Gerald Ford. He's been out of office since 1977. Clues
are available for a modest sum...
>The idea that Antichrist Prince Charles along with King Hussein of Jordan
>heads an International Freemason conspiracy against Israel as expressed
>by Jim Searcy under:
I don't know what makes HRH Prince Charles the Antichrist. Charles
seems to have a few moral problems related to his late marriage, but his
impact on the world is pretty minimal. I suppose if one were one of the
architects whose buildings HRH criticized (or one of the modern liberal
clerics who came in for some of the same regarding trendy liturgical
changes), one might be annoyed with Charles, but calling him the
Antichrist seems to exaggerate his position in the world. (Or else the
battle of Armageddon is going to be fought with popguns and rubber
bands.)
> http://www.dccsa.com/greatjoy/index.html
>
>is probably a bit over the top, but it also shows Jewish feelings in the current
>historical situation and exposes some cracks in the relations of Freemasons
>and Jews who have just become allies united by the common enemy: Hitler.
>For some time in the past Jews were not allowed to become Freemasons
Not since the middle eighteenth century. Try to keep up with history
just a bit, won't you?
>nor were Freemasons allowed in the Catholic church.
>The three important International groups kept themselves separate
>from each other: Jews dominated the world of finance, Freemasons dominated
>politics, especially in countries with the colors: red-white and blue
>in their national flags, while the Vatican was left with influencing
>Catholic countries such as certain regions of Germany, Italy, Spain, etc.
Jews hardly dominated the world of finance. This is a long-standing
myth. There were always more non-Jewish financial firms about than
Jewish ones; the Jewish firms were often founded because Christians
wouldn't hire Jews.
Nor did Masons dominate politics. In the US, about 1/3 of politicians
have been Freemasons. That's a minority by any measure. I would think
that a 2/3 majority could have it their way any time they wanted. In
the 1820s, an anti-Masonic party was formed and whipped up enough
hysteria to drive most Masonic groups out of existence. The comment
about the colors of a flag is ludicrous; those colors can be found in a
very large number of countries' flags. The colors of red, white, and
blue are not even the colors of Freemasonry; the Symbolic Lodge uses
blue (York Rite) or red (Scottish Rite), Capitular Masonry uses red
(scarlet), Cryptic Masonry uses purple (violet), and Chivalric Masonry
uses black; the higher degrees of the Scottish Rite use a wide variety
of colors, culminating in black. But I know of no degree in which the
specific colors of red, white, and blue are given sole dominance, though
there are some degrees in which they occur with others.
The comment about the Vatican has some validity, but only if one does
not believe that anything has happened in European history since about
1700. The rise of republicanism and the decline of the monarchies of
Europe diminished the Vatican's power steadily from that point. Today,
countries with a state religion, whether Roman Catholicism or something
else (Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran, etc.) seem to have lower rates of
religious participation than those which endorse no single faith as that
of the government. When was the last time that the Vatican threatened a
temporal leader with excommunication if he didn't obey a Papal diktat?
>Recently it looked as though these three groups had somehow settled
>their differences to form one Allied International Ruling Class,
>but the political development in Israel after the assassination of Rabin
>and the current Financial World Crisis has opened a completely new game.
>
> W h e r e w i l l i t g o ?
Where it will go is into the dumper, with all the other crackpot notions
that have been used to deceive and enslave people. The notion that the
Asian crisis, in particular, is somehow an engineered phenomenon (how
many Freemasons are there in Asia? in the government of the countries
in question?) is ludicrous in the extreme.
Tell you what, Klaus: Hide under your bed; we'll tell you when it's
over.
Roger M. Firestone, 32 KCCH
MasonTruth
>I cannot see a better theory.
>always the danger one has to accept trying to make sense of apparently
>unreasonable events. A weak theory is always better than none.
How about he simply got caught with his pants down. Seems as if he felt as
President he would have to account to no one.. he didn't realize the difference
between President & King.. To say that it is a "Republican/Democrat issue would
be better suited then to bring the Isreali situation into the mix.. This Dr. is
what seems to be your hidden agenda. When in doubt blame Isreal.
What you have posted is exactly a weak theory.. Now Dr. in your mind can you
not see that the dislike you have for Jewish people has caused you to put the
blame on them for everything?
>
>
>There is no denying the fact that the world today is dominated
>by the Anglo-American culture, nor can you claim that the American Revolution
>was not dominated by Freemasons, for example George Washington
>or Benjamin Franklin. The same applies to the French Revolution,
>and it was through those revolutions that the current dominant ideology
>of "Liberalism", Capitalism and Parliamentarism started to take over the
>world.
So what is wrong with this.. Masons take things on and get involved. That is
what it is all about.. There is a difference between those that preach world
doom and those that go out and try to change the world..
>
>Talking about a "Masonic/Jewish master plan to take over the world" means
>trying
>to discredit people who merely analyze history with the intention to make
>them look mad. This is not at all helpful for our future. Our world is in
>such
>a state that we do have to blame the ruling class, the people in power,
>because they are doing a very bad job.
yet in an eduacted way you do just that.
Many of them happen to be Freemasons
>and Jews. Obviously this does not mean all Jews and Freemasons are to blame.
Just a few I guess, right Dr.?
>Jews and Freemasons who are not responsible should not defend those
>who are either.
>
I would defend Freemasonry against fabrications posted here or anywhere. I also
think that it is rediculous for a person today to blame any group of people ,
Religious or otherwise, for events that they have nothing to do with.. Dr, can
you truly not see that Hitler started out the same way.. Of course you are not
against Jews, Masons but.........
Respectfully
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------
>E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 в 18, R is number 18
>in the alphabet, and E, letter No 5, and the 2 ( from II )
>can be calculated into 37 in the following way: 3=5-2 ; 7=5+2.
>
>With kind regards Dr. Klaus Wagner
MasonTruth
>Subject: False Prophet Exposed
>From: Mike Restivo <mtro...@REMOVETHISPARTpathcom.com>
>Date: 9/21/98 2:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3606C8EA...@REMOVETHISPARTpathcom.com>
>
>
>If Freemasons "controlled" America or North America or had any
>geo-political force in the Western Hemisphere according to popular, but
>false, conspiracy theory, I, a critic of Freemasonry and rogue Masons,
>would have been silenced years ago, in one fashion or another.
>
>The political partisianship manifested about the U.S. President's
>problems appears more of a war between Republican and Democrat party
>politics for which the incumbent President is the lighning rod.
>
>The United States cannot even control its own congressional judiciary
>proceedings which although supposedly constitutionally ruled, have been
>hijacked by party politics. The Pax Americana fades evermore into
>history as nuclear and biological weapons of mass destruction
>proliferate in the Middle East and elsewhere world wide.
>
>Your problem is that your 19th century conspiracy theories have been
>debunked by the inexorable advancement of geo-politics, in which the U.K
>and the U.S. no longer play the role that they once did, and did with
>authority.
Dear Mike, with sincerity I say that I am impressed with your post. While I
feel that you are wrong regarding many of the things you post about Freemasonry
I must appreciate your standing by what you say and not jumping on the
Jewish/Masonic Band Wagon.. The good Dr. can put it any way he wants but he
has an agenda that is very much in tune with Hitlers way of thinking..
Sincerely & Rerspectfully
MasonTruth
>Subject: Re: Clinton, Jews and Freemasons
>Date: 9/22/98 3:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <6u7h38$o75$1...@news.kadena.attnet.or.jp>
>
>Interesting how he thinks, isn't it. I believe he needs to visit the Grand
>Lodge of Israel, don't you?
>
>DM, PM
>
I think that would be a great idea.. Maybe he could e-mail the J.D.L for some
thoughts on his posts..
Sincerely & Fraternally
MasonTruth
I am impressed that so many good people have posted here in an attempt to
discredit and expose the hatred that was posted by Dr. Klaus. Seems as if many
who just usually browse through the posts have decided to make a stand.. I am
honored and thankful to all.. I hope that you stop in and post again and
again.. Masonry welcomes everyones opinions and it is nice to see what others
think and answer any questions they might have regarding Freemasonry.. The
Masons who post here represent many years of knowledge and membership in the
Fraternity..
Sincerely & Respectfully
Dr. Roger M. Firestone
Klaus Wagner <Elizardbe...@t-online.de> wrote:
>The Overthrow-Clinton-Campaign looks like
>a war between Freemasons and Jews about who controls America.
>Obviously the one who controls th US also controls the world.
>And the worst scenario would be that the outcome of this struggle
>will decide the degree of the American involvement into the developing
>World War III of Jews against Islam.
Utter baloney. There is no "Overthrow" Clinton campaign. There is an
ongoing governmental inquiry into whether the president of the United
States has abused his position as president (and previously as
governor) to obtain financial advantage for himself, family, and
friends, to use governmental resources for private ends, to misuse FBI
files, to abuse the audit power of the Internal Revenue Service, and
several other activities (including committing perjury and obstruction
of justice in defending a private lawsuit involving sexual harassment).
What any of this has to do with Jews and Freemasons is questionable at
best.
As for "who controls America," there are about 6 million Jews in the US
and about 1.5 million Freemasons. There are about 275 million
Americans; how do you suppose that, in a democracy, 3% of the electorate
can control the other 97%?
Since most of the countries of the world are neither Jewish nor Islamic,
it is hard to see how such a conflict would be "World War III." That
some fanatics who call themselves Islamic (but whom the Prophet would
think totally unacquainted with the laws and precepts he set forth in
the Holy Koran) have declared war on the non-Islamic world--Jews and
Christians alike, does not mean that a few thousand terrorists can
instigate a Third World War. This is not 1914, Jerusalem is not
Sarajevo, and Osama bin Laden (or Abu Nidal or whoever) is not Gavrilo
Princip. Some of the largest Muslim countries in the world only desire
to live in peace with their neighbors.
If you want to talk about an Arab-Israeli conflict, go ahead; it's been
in progress since before there was a state of Israel. But don't confuse
"Arab" with "Muslim" (they are not synonymous) or "Israeli" with "Jew"
(likewise). American involvement in any conflict will be to the extent
that the American national interest is at stake; this involves both
economic matters, such as access to oil resources in the Middle East,
and political issues, such as the preference for democracy over tyranny
in the world.
The primary issue facing Jews today is that of finding a parking place
at the synagogue during Rosh Ha-shana and Yom Kippur (except for the
Orthodox, who must live close enough to walk). Please, Klaus, resume
taking your medication; it's not good for you to be off it for so
long...
Dr. Roger M. Firestone
Klaus Wagner <Elizardbe...@t-online.de> wrote:
[snip]
>My basic assumption is that the current Overthrow-Clinton-Campaign
>has political reasons and does not seek to restore good old sexual morals,
>to get rid of Clinton seems to be the situation in the Middle East and his
>reluctance to unconditionally support the disastrous policies of the current
>If you know one, let us know. I know that I may be wrong here, but this is
>always the danger one has to accept trying to make sense of apparently
>unreasonable events. A weak theory is always better than none.
Since the troubles of Bill Clinton are _not_ about sexual morals--which
is what the Clintonites want you to believe, as it can then be played as
either a private matter or as "everybody does it"--but about perjury,
obstruction of justice, misuse of power, and general malfeasance in
office, not to mention bribery, campaign funding violations, and
possible foreign influence on American foreign policy in Asia, the
foregoing is preposterous. The "one logic[al] reason why people would
want to get rid of Clinton" is that he has disgraced the office of the
President of the United States and that the president ought not to be a
crook, as one of his predecessors put it. ("I am not a crook."
--Richard M. Nixon.)
Here's a clue for you (no charge, this time): Most American Jews are
liberals. They do not care for the Netanyahu regime in Israel any more
than the liberal Bill Clinton and his foreign policy establishment do.
The notion that Al Gore (who would replace Clinton if Clinton leaves
office prior to 20 Jan 2001) would change American policy regarding
Israel is fallacious. American Jews generally support the Democratic
Party--and Bill Clinton--in larger numbers than the American people as
an aggregate do. Your whole theory is founded on the notion that
American Jews would somehow have both the desire and the power to remove
a president; neither is the case.
>>Do you really think that there is a Masonic/Jewish master plan
>> to take over the world? I hope not..
>
>There is no denying the fact that the world today is dominated
>by the Anglo-American culture, nor can you claim that the American Revolution
>was not dominated by Freemasons, for example George Washington
>or Benjamin Franklin. The same applies to the French Revolution,
>and it was through those revolutions that the current dominant ideology
>of "Liberalism", Capitalism and Parliamentarism started to take over the world.
The American Revolution was not "dominated" by Freemasons. It was
dominated by men who were tired of being abused by the British
government. The Declaration of Independence was written by Thomas
Jefferson, who was _not_ a Freemason. Only about 1/3 of its signers
were Masons. A similar fraction of the membership of the Constitutional
Convention of 1787 were Masons. A 1/3 minority does not constitute
"domination."
If American culture (what is "Anglo-American culture," anyway?)
"dominates" the world, maybe it's because we haven't wasted much of our
treasure and national resources on group hatreds and warfare in the 20th
century as have so many other countries. Maybe it's because we practice
democracy and capitalism, while other countries continue to follow the
discredited economic ideas of mercantilism or socialism, and put a
veneer of democratic paint on systems which perpetuate feudalism or
inefficient bureaucratic rule. But you'd rather believe in a conspiracy
than the possibility that socialist philosophies entrenched in the
German bureaucracy have turned the Wirtschaftswunder into a midnight
pumpkin...
>Talking about a "Masonic/Jewish master plan to take over the world" means trying
>to discredit people who merely analyze history with the intention to make
>them look mad. This is not at all helpful for our future. Our world is in such
>a state that we do have to blame the ruling class, the people in power,
>because they are doing a very bad job. Many of them happen to be Freemasons
>and Jews. Obviously this does not mean all Jews and Freemasons are to blame.
>Jews and Freemasons who are not responsible should not defend those
>who are either.
How many prime ministers of Japan have been Freemasons? Of Thailand?
Of Singapore? Of Malaysia? Of Indonesia? You could look there for the
blame for our world being "in such a state." I don't believe that any
of them are Jews. And, as I pointed out in an earlier message, there
hasn't been a Masonic President of the US sinc 1977, while no Jew has
ever held that office. Outside of Israel, it's pretty hard to find a
head of government anywhere in history who was Jewish. Name one besides
Disraeli. In other words, your claim that "[m]any of them happen to be
Freemasons and Jews" is simply wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong. It isn't
true. Your entire thesis is founded upon a falsehood.
Take about five courses in European and world history and then come back
to us when you have the vaguest idea of what you are talking about...
Klaus Wagner
(Dr. Roger M. Firestone) wrote:
> Since the troubles of Bill Clinton are _not_ about sexual morals--which
> is what the Clintonites want you to believe, as it can then be played as
> either a private matter or as "everybody does it"--but about perjury,
> obstruction of justice, misuse of power, and general malfeasance in
> office, not to mention bribery, campaign funding violations, and
> possible foreign influence on American foreign policy in Asia, the
> foregoing is preposterous.
"Obstruction of justice, misuse of power, and general malfeasance in office,
not to mention bribery, campaign funding violations ..." are the cornerstones
of the "Liberal", Capitalist red-white-and-blue system and ideology
which dominates the whole world today. They are not a good enough reason
to explain why some very powerful and influential people in the US want to get
rid of Clinton now.
> The "one logic[al] reason why people would
> want to get rid of Clinton" is that he has disgraced the office of the
> President of the United States and that the president ought not to be a
> crook, as one of his predecessors put it. ("I am not a crook."
> --Richard M. Nixon.)
Nobody can become President of the US, Prime Minister of Britain,
Chancellor of Germany, etc., if he is not a crook to begin with.
These people are there to lie, make people vote for them, disguise the fact
who really rules the countries, disappoint the people, become scapegoats,
be removed from office to be replaced by another set of the same crooks.
> Here's a clue for you (no charge, this time): Most American Jews are
> liberals. They do not care for the Netanyahu regime in Israel any more
> than the liberal Bill Clinton and his foreign policy establishment do.
But there are certainly also those who do care for the Netanyahu regime
in Israel to an extent, where they are quite happy to make the US the most
hated nation among Muslims rather than put their foot down and force
Netanyahu to make peace.
> The notion that Al Gore (who would replace Clinton if Clinton leaves
> office prior to 20 Jan 2001) would change American policy regarding
> Israel is fallacious.
If there is another major war in the Middle East and beyond, and if the US
gets involved on a large scale, people in 100 years time will count the removal
of President Clinton from office along with the assassination of Rabin
as crucial events leading to this war.
>The Declaration of Independence was written by Thomas Jefferson, who was _not_
> a Freemason.Only about 1/3 of its signers were Masons. A similar fraction
> of the membership of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 were Masons.
> A 1/3 minority does not constitute "domination."
1/3 is pretty impressive and certainly far more than the percentage of Masons
among the general population at the time. If you have 1/3 of a ruling class
with a common agenda while the other 2/3 are divided among themselves,
surely 1/3 is far more than it takes to dominate a group.
> How many prime ministers of Japan have been Freemasons? Of Thailand?
> Of Singapore? Of Malaysia? Of Indonesia? You could look there for the
> blame for our world being "in such a state." I don't believe that any
> of them are Jews.
Our current political systems work in such a way that the people who hold
office are not crucial, but the ones who pull the strings behind the scenes.
Presidents and Prime Ministers come and go, the policies however remain
the same, so do the people who really are in control without exposing themselves
and without having to bear responsibility for what is going on.
-- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 × 18, R is number 18
in the alphabet, and E, letter No 5, and the 2 ( from II )
can be calculated into 37 in the following way: 3=5-2 ; 7=5+2.
With kind regards Dr. Klaus Wagner
Multi-Media Apocalypse 2000 online: Our Future Revealed:
AUBREY BROWN SR
ri...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <6u8hcu$vqu$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>My point exactly Jana. There are two things every warring party always
>claims:
>
>Their God is on their side and therefore they are in the right, and the
magic
>bullet (our weapons are superior to the other side's , therefore we will
win.)
>
>This guy bugs me with his all to familiar statements. I've read that the
>neo-nazis are on the uprise in Germany in a big way. Perhaps this guy is
one
>example.
>
>-
Bro. Rich.,
Yeah they are and they plan on major expansion in England and the US.
Another warning to parents and grandparents, KNOW WHO YOUR KIDS ARE
COMMUNICATING WITH ONLINE!!! The Net is their primary means of recruitment.
And they like to strike while they're young and gullible.
Klaus Wagner
I had written:
> The Book of Revelation, chapter 13 predicts the Beast 666 with
> features that have all been fulfilled by the present "Queen" of England.>>
On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:58:02 -0400, Mike Restivo
<mtro...@REMOVETHISPARTpathcom.com> replied:
> Prove it.
The evidence is available from:
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/6672/rsum13.htm
-- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 в 18, R is number 18
RedRopers
From: ri...@my-dejanews.com
Date: Tue, Sep 22, 1998 11:57 EDT
I've read that the neo-nazis are on the uprise in Germany in a big way.
Perhaps this guy is one example.
Yeah they really are, and we have to watch guys like this one. If we don't, we
can plan on another holocaust.
Jana
RedRopers
From: "AUBREY BROWN SR" <Aubrey...@worldnet.att.net>
Another warning to parents and grandparents, KNOW WHO YOUR KIDS ARE
COMMUNICATING WITH ONLINE!!! The Net is their primary means of recruitment.
And they like to strike while they're young and gullible.
Aubrey,
I don't hardly let my kids get online, when they do everything is logged. I
know every chat room they're in, and every IM that comes through. I also have
all their email logged. Snoopy Mom, you bet, but you've got to do everything
you can to protect those babies.
Jana
Bill Prince
Klaus Wagner <Rider.on.the...@t-online.de> wrote in message
360cdd26...@192.168.100.3...
Joseph Otten
>My basic assumption is that the current Overthrow-Clinton-Campaign
>has political reasons and does not seek to restore good old sexual morals,
>if there ever was such thing. The one logic reason why people would want
>to get rid of Clinton seems to be the situation in the Middle East and his
>reluctance to unconditionally support the disastrous policies of the current
>Israeli government. I cannot see a better theory.
>If you know one, let us know. I know that I may be wrong here, but this is
>always the danger one has to accept trying to make sense of apparently
>unreasonable events. A weak theory is always better than none.
The fact that he's a Democrat and his opponents are Republicans
constitutes sufficient "political reasons" for the campaign. There's
no way you can claim that some other reason is "the one logical
reason".
>There is no denying the fact that the world today is dominated
>by the Anglo-American culture, nor can you claim that the American Revolution
>was not dominated by Freemasons, for example George Washington
>or Benjamin Franklin. The same applies to the French Revolution,
>and it was through those revolutions that the current dominant ideology
>of "Liberalism", Capitalism and Parliamentarism started to take over the world.
Liberalism - the ideology that gives you the right to spout this
nonsense?
What are you suggesting instead? Communism? Haven't you heard that
most of your lot claim that the communists are in league with the Jews
and the capitalists. (Who on earth thought of that one?)
Dictatorship of some kind? Er, no thanks. If that's really what your
offering, then this conspiracy you're against, if it exists, is a
conspiracy of the good guys.
Feudalism? A nice homely traditional sort of dictatorship. No
foreigners, modern banking, social mobility, or anything else that
makes life interesting.
Anarchism of some sort? Don't believe it will work myself. Power
vacuums will be filled by the powerful leading us back to
dictatorship.
Joe
--
Joseph Otten
Prospective European Parliamentary Candidate
Green Party, Yorkshire and the Humber
joe....@virgin.net
http://freespace.virgin.net/joe.otten/
Mike Restivo
>
> what is that addage about numbers lie....oh, yes, and liars number.
>
> Klaus Wagner <Rider.on.the...@t-online.de> wrote in message
> 360cdd26...@192.168.100.3...
> |
> |I had written:
> |
> |> The Book of Revelation, chapter 13 predicts the Beast 666 with
> |> features that have all been fulfilled by the present "Queen" of
> England.>>
> |
> |On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:58:02 -0400, Mike Restivo
> |<mtro...@REMOVETHISPARTpathcom.com> replied:
> |
> |> Prove it.
> |
> |The evidence is available from:
> |
I don't give credibility to hate web sites. Both Mr. Wagner's Gematria
and his Biblical acumen are bogus. I need not visit a garbage site to
determine that it is full of refuse. The stench already disuades me
from even the visit at this distance.
† Mike Restivo
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On Tue, 22 Sep 1998, Klaus Wagner wrote:
>
> I had written:
>
> > The Book of Revelation, chapter 13 predicts the Beast 666 with
> > features that have all been fulfilled by the present "Queen" of England.>>
>
> On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:58:02 -0400, Mike Restivo
> <mtro...@REMOVETHISPARTpathcom.com> replied:
>
> > Prove it.
>
> The evidence is available from:
>
> > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/6672/rsum13.htm
>
> -- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 × 18, R is number 18
Dr. Roger M. Firestone
Klaus Wagner <Elizardbe...@t-online.de> wrote:
>On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:10:27 GMT, rf...@chele.cais.com
>(Dr. Roger M. Firestone) wrote:
>
>> is what the Clintonites want you to believe, as it can then be played as
>> either a private matter or as "everybody does it"--but about perjury,
>> obstruction of justice, misuse of power, and general malfeasance in
>> office, not to mention bribery, campaign funding violations, and
>> possible foreign influence on American foreign policy in Asia, the
>> foregoing is preposterous.
>
> not to mention bribery, campaign funding violations ..." are the cornerstones
> of the "Liberal", Capitalist red-white-and-blue system and ideology
> which dominates the whole world today. They are not a good enough reason
> rid of Clinton now.
Only in your mind would serious accusations such as this be
characterized as the "cornerstone" of the world. You are a very sick
person.
>> The "one logic[al] reason why people would
>> want to get rid of Clinton" is that he has disgraced the office of the
>> President of the United States and that the president ought not to be a
>> crook, as one of his predecessors put it. ("I am not a crook."
>> --Richard M. Nixon.)
>
>Nobody can become President of the US, Prime Minister of Britain,
>Chancellor of Germany, etc., if he is not a crook to begin with.
>These people are there to lie, make people vote for them, disguise the fact
>who really rules the countries, disappoint the people, become scapegoats,
>be removed from office to be replaced by another set of the same crooks.
Ronald Reagan was not a crook, George Bush was not a crook, Jimmy Carter
was not a crook, Gerald Ford was not a crook. None of these men, of
varying political persuasions, governmental approaches, and competencies
was ever accused of any form of criminal wrongdoing. Nor was Margaret
Thatcher or John Major. Nor has Helmut Kohl.
You are an insane person; there is no point in arguing with someone
suffering from delusions.
>> Here's a clue for you (no charge, this time): Most American Jews are
>> liberals. They do not care for the Netanyahu regime in Israel any more
>> than the liberal Bill Clinton and his foreign policy establishment do.
>
>But there are certainly also those who do care for the Netanyahu regime
>in Israel to an extent, where they are quite happy to make the US the most
>hated nation among Muslims rather than put their foot down and force
>Netanyahu to make peace.
The US cannot force Netanyahu to make peace any more than it can force
Yasser Arafat to make peace (and some of us think that Arafat is the far
greater obstacle). As for being the "most hated nation among Muslims,"
I doubt that that is true; the US may be the most hated nation by
radical Arab leaders, who find their dreams of power thwarted by
American policies. The populace in those countries, which are
tyrannies, scarcely has the freedom to object publicly to the propaganda
put out by the government. But most visitors to Iran (e.g.--although
Iran is not an Arab country) report little true hostility toward
Americans by those not part of the governmental apparatus.
>> The notion that Al Gore (who would replace Clinton if Clinton leaves
>> office prior to 20 Jan 2001) would change American policy regarding
>> Israel is fallacious.
>
>If there is another major war in the Middle East and beyond, and if the US
>gets involved on a large scale, people in 100 years time will count the removal
>of President Clinton from office along with the assassination of Rabin
>as crucial events leading to this war.
Utter nonsense. President Clinton plays no special role in the events
leading to war in the middle east as opposed to anyone else who might
likely be elected president (or succeed to that office in case Clinton
resigns). If you don't believe this, please provide some evidence where
Al Gore or Newt Gingrich (or some likely Republican candidate for 2000,
or Bob Dole in 1996) has stated a position on the Middle East which is
distinguishably at variance with that of Bill Clinton. Remember that
Clinton will be out of office in 28 months (or less); will you blame war
in the Middle East on the American Constitution's having been amended in
1951 to prevent a president from being elected a third time?
What precisely is Bill Clinton doing that Al Gore would not be doing (or
vice versa) that would lead to a war between the Israelis and the Arabs?
>>The Declaration of Independence was written by Thomas Jefferson, who was _not_
>> a Freemason.Only about 1/3 of its signers were Masons. A similar fraction
>> of the membership of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 were Masons.
>> A 1/3 minority does not constitute "domination."
>
>1/3 is pretty impressive and certainly far more than the percentage of Masons
>among the general population at the time. If you have 1/3 of a ruling class
>with a common agenda while the other 2/3 are divided among themselves,
>surely 1/3 is far more than it takes to dominate a group.
And you have some evidence of disagreement among the 2/3 who were not
Freemasons with concomitant evidence of a coherent plan among the 1/3
who were? Please cite references from the James Madison history of the
Constitutional Convention to prove this; I am sure that you also can
cite the portions of the US Constitution which show evidence of having
been written to benefit Freemasons specifically. Oh, you cannot? Why
am I not surprised?
>> How many prime ministers of Japan have been Freemasons? Of Thailand?
>> Of Singapore? Of Malaysia? Of Indonesia? You could look there for the
>> blame for our world being "in such a state." I don't believe that any
>> of them are Jews.
>
>Our current political systems work in such a way that the people who hold
>office are not crucial, but the ones who pull the strings behind the scenes.
>Presidents and Prime Ministers come and go, the policies however remain
>the same, so do the people who really are in control without exposing themselves
>and without having to bear responsibility for what is going on.
Typical paranoid delusional blather. Anyone who cannot tell the
difference between the policies of the Reagan and Clinton
Administrations, or that of the Thatcher regime in the UK with those who
have followed her term in office is too unintelligent to have opinions
worth considering. By the way, if, as you say "Presidents and Prime
Ministers come and go, the policies however remain the same," why are
you so concerned about the attempt to remove Clinton from office? Don't
you just say here that it wouldn't matter who the president is in terms
of policy? Pretty pitiful to be so inconsistent in the space of a
single message of half a dozen paragraphs!
AUBREY BROWN SR
If you don't be careful, you're going to get your own Web Page against you.
Ask Ed ! Hehehehe
--
Past Master Aubrey Brown Sr.
Eureka Lodge No. 64 F&AM
Grand Historian MWPHGL of IL
aubrey...@worldnet.att.net
Dr. Roger M. Firestone wrote in message
<4bTN1.32$XI.27...@newsie.cais.net>...
JRuble
>Subject: False Prophet Exposed
>From: Mike Restivo
>If Freemasons "controlled" America or North America or had any
>geo-political force in the Western Hemisphere according to popular, but
>false, conspiracy theory, I, a critic of Freemasonry and rogue Masons,
>would have been silenced years ago, in one fashion or another.
>
>The political partisianship manifested about the U.S. President's
>problems appears more of a war between Republican and Democrat party
>politics for which the incumbent President is the lighning rod.
>
>The United States cannot even control its own congressional judiciary
>proceedings which although supposedly constitutionally ruled, have been
>hijacked by party politics. The Pax Americana fades evermore into
>history as nuclear and biological weapons of mass destruction
>proliferate in the Middle East and elsewhere world wide.
>
>Your problem is that your 19th century conspiracy theories have been
>debunked by the inexorable advancement of geo-politics, in which the U.K
>and the U.S. no longer play the role that they once did, and did with
>authority.
>
>
>> And the worst scenario would be that the outcome of this struggle
>> will decide the degree of the American involvement into the developing
>> World War III of Jews against Islam.
>
>The State of Israel has long been thought of as a nuclear power in
>intelligence circles, and is remarkable by its restraint in not
>employing its arsenal against Iraq, for example. Israel is quite
>capable of defending itself in a nuclear engagement, without either the
>permission or the participation of the U.S. or any other country.
>
>The U.S. is already at war with terrorists who are more than able to
>strike into the heart of America directly with biological and chemical
>weapons of mass destruction.
>Terrorists no longer fear the U.S., regardless of who is the supposed
>real power behind the scenes.
>
>>
>> --
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------
>> E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 × 18, R is number 18
>> in the alphabet, and E, letter No 5, and the 2 ( from II )
>> can be calculated into 37 in the following way: 3=5-2 ; 7=5+2.
>
>Your "Gematria" of Queen Elizabeth the Second's Insignia contradicts
>Biblical prediction that the Lawless One, symbolized by "666", will be a
>man.
>
>Take the numerical equivalents of "William Cooper", "Arthur Bell" and
>"John Daniel", all conspiracy theorists. The sum is 360, indicative of
>the sum of the degrees in a circle, or region of influence, as it were.
>3 + 6 + 0 = 9 and 6 + 6 + 6 = 18 and 1 + 8 = 9, thusly this circle
>partakes of the nonad attribute, i.e. "9", of the number of the Great
>Beast, it is also the number of points of the occult Eneagram symbol and
>nine pointed star used by magician Aleister Crowley, who called himself
>the "Great Beast" and whose mistresses, each, he dubbed "The Whore of
>Babylon".
>
>Thusly, these conspiracy theorists, ex hypothesi, are actually aiding
>the forces against which they write. What better disguise than to
>pretend to be one's own arch enemy?
>
>† Mike Restivo
I am amazed, I find myself (in the main) agreeing with Mike Restivo.
Or did I misread the post?
SCOTTY
ri...@my-dejanews.com
surface self-lit parking lot.
--
Richard Jackson, PM
Corrigan Masonic Lodge #1103 AF&AM
Corrigan, Texas
In article <19980922134242...@ng74.aol.com>,
--
Richard Jackson, PM
Corrigan Masonic Lodge #1103 AF&AM
Corrigan, Texas
-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
ri...@my-dejanews.com
I have a couple of questions for you.
Are you a member of a political party? If so, which one?
Are you old enough to remember the Second World War? If so, were you a member
of the Hitler Jugen?
Do you believe in the idealogy of the Nazi Party as practiced before the
Second World War?
Do you believe Hitler was a savior of the German people who was let down by
his subordinates?
I just thought it would be useful to know all of your idealogy so we could
better judge your theories.
--
Richard Jackson, PM
Corrigan Masonic Lodge #1103 AF&AM
Corrigan, Texas
In article <360cdd26...@192.168.100.3>,
Elizardbe...@t-online.de wrote:
>
> I had written:
>
> > The Book of Revelation, chapter 13 predicts the Beast 666 with
> > features that have all been fulfilled by the present "Queen" of England.>>
>
> On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:58:02 -0400, Mike Restivo
> <mtro...@REMOVETHISPARTpathcom.com> replied:
>
> > Prove it.
>
> The evidence is available from:
>
> > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/6672/rsum13.htm
>
> --
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
> E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 в 18, R is number 18
> in the alphabet, and E, letter No 5, and the 2 ( from II )
> can be calculated into 37 in the following way: 3=5-2 ; 7=5+2.
>
> With kind regards Dr. Klaus Wagner
> Multi-Media Apocalypse 2000 online: Our Future Revealed:
> > http://home.t-online.de/home/072722649
> > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/6672
> Ancient biblical predictions about our present time and future.
>
JRuble
>Subject: Re: Clinton, Jews and Freemasons
>From: redr...@aol.com (RedRopers)
>You can't stop it, there's nothing you can
>do. So, why not make sure you and your's are safe when the end finally comes?
>
>Jana
>
I don't know, Jana, but, if this one is like the others that have been on here,
then, all you have to do to be safe is buy his publications.
And, if I am wrong, Dr Klaus, I will apologize.
SCOTTY
JRuble
>Doesn't every warring faction think God is on their side? Personally, I never
>really thought God was on any side when it come to murder.
>
>Jana
Jana
Remember, there have been more murders committed in the name of religion than
for any other cause.
The "Zealots" think that they are empowered by (their) God to push their
religion on everyone.
You've seen a few here, haven't you?
SCOTTY
JRuble
>Aubrey,
>
>I don't hardly let my kids get online, when they do everything is logged. I
>know every chat room they're in, and every IM that comes through. I also have
>all their email logged. Snoopy Mom, you bet, but you've got to do everything
>you can to protect those babies.
>
>Jana
GOD Bless, keep up the good work.
And, don't ever be ashamed of being a good Mother.
SCOTTY
JRuble
>Subject: Re: Clinton, Jews and Freemasons
Big Snip>Here's a clue for you (no charge, this time): Most American Jews are
Brother Roger
What you failed to state, because of their ethics, high morals, and their
presence, the Order did have a significant influence on the Declaration of
Independence and the Constitution.
In other words, the others looked up to the Masons involved. Now, if it is a
sin to earn the respect of your fellow man, we all aspire to be
sinners. At least I do.
JMHO
SCOTTY
ri...@my-dejanews.com
I was thinking the same thing. In fact have said as much on other occasions
concerning Masonic conspiracy for world domination. It does feel funny, but
on matters concerning Herr Doktor, I am also in ful agreement with Mr.
Restivo.
--
Richard Jackson, PM
Corrigan Masonic Lodge #1103 AF&AM
Corrigan, Texas
In article <19980922172015...@ng13.aol.com>,
> >> --
> >-------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------
> >> E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 × 18, R is number 18
> >> in the alphabet, and E, letter No 5, and the 2 ( from II )
> >> can be calculated into 37 in the following way: 3=5-2 ; 7=5+2.
> >
> >Your "Gematria" of Queen Elizabeth the Second's Insignia contradicts
> >Biblical prediction that the Lawless One, symbolized by "666", will be a
> >man.
> >
> >Take the numerical equivalents of "William Cooper", "Arthur Bell" and
> >"John Daniel", all conspiracy theorists. The sum is 360, indicative of
> >the sum of the degrees in a circle, or region of influence, as it were.
> >3 + 6 + 0 = 9 and 6 + 6 + 6 = 18 and 1 + 8 = 9, thusly this circle
> >partakes of the nonad attribute, i.e. "9", of the number of the Great
> >Beast, it is also the number of points of the occult Eneagram symbol and
> >nine pointed star used by magician Aleister Crowley, who called himself
> >the "Great Beast" and whose mistresses, each, he dubbed "The Whore of
> >Babylon".
> >
> >Thusly, these conspiracy theorists, ex hypothesi, are actually aiding
> >the forces against which they write. What better disguise than to
> >pretend to be one's own arch enemy?
> >
> >† Mike Restivo
>
> I am amazed, I find myself (in the main) agreeing with Mike Restivo.
>
> Or did I misread the post?
>
> SCOTTY
>
>
-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
Mike Restivo
>
> I had written:
>
> > The Book of Revelation, chapter 13 predicts the Beast 666 with
> > features that have all been fulfilled by the present "Queen" of England.>>
>
> On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:58:02 -0400, Mike Restivo
> <mtro...@REMOVETHISPARTpathcom.com> replied:
>
> > Prove it.
>
> The evidence is available from:
(balance of post snipped.)
I don't give credibility to hate web sites. Both your Gematria
and your Biblical acumen are bogus. I need not visit a garbage site to
determine that it is full of offal. The stench, at this distance,
already disuades me
from even one visit.
† Mike Restivo
RedRopers
From: jru...@aol.com (JRuble)
Date: Tue, Sep 22, 1998 17:37 EDT
I don't know, Jana, but, if this one is like the others that have been on here,
then, all you have to do to be safe is buy his publications.
And, if I am wrong, Dr Klaus, I will apologize.
Scotty,
No thanks, remember no job, we're pinching pennies. I think I'd rather just
take my chances. Who knows one of these days you might hear something on the
news about this crazy woman with a bunch of kids, and cats on top of a hill
somewhere in a little log cabin, smoking a corn cob pipe, drinking her corn
squeezin's sitting on her front porch with a shot gun shootin' the revenuers.
Jana
RedRopers
From: jru...@aol.com (JRuble)
Date: Tue, Sep 22, 1998 17:40 EDT
Remember, there have been more murders committed in the name of religion than
for any other cause.
The "Zealots" think that they are empowered by (their) God to push their
religion on everyone.
You've seen a few here, haven't you?
Scotty,
Sure I have, and half of them I"ve seen right here on this NG. While they spend
their time, shoving their religion down other people's throats I wish they'd
stop and chew on it a while themselves, cause it tastes pretty bitter to me.
Jana
Ben Gee
>My point exactly Jana. There are two things every warring party always
>claims:
>
>Their God is on their side and therefore they are in the right, and the magic
>bullet (our weapons are superior to the other side's , therefore we will win.)
>
Well, I see the Dorks Organization have come out of the closet.
I have offered and the offer STILL stands, to make arrangements for
any of the anti-semtic nuts here a free trip to Israel. (Must be
certified nuts.and I am referring to Dr.Klause, The Puke Man or OFLF)
Perhaps a visit to the Holocust Museum, and some free medications will
help them in their thoughts.
This type of hate mongoring, does not bode well for our world, or our
children's future.However, I notice how many few of them, tend to make
such a loud (and unheard for the most part) noises.
L'Shana Tova
BenGee
meet us on IRC ..EFNET server #freemasons!
Eugene Goldman.·.
Wagner) wrote:
*My basic assumption is that the current Overthrow-Clinton-Campaign
*has political reasons and does not seek to restore good old sexual morals,
*if there ever was such thing.
An untested but somewhat plausable assumption.
*The one logic reason why people would want
*to get rid of Clinton seems to be the situation in the Middle East and his
*reluctance to unconditionally support the disastrous policies of the current
*Israeli government. I cannot see a better theory.
*If you know one, let us know.
How about the belief that he committed no less than eleven counts of Purgory,
Subborning Purgory, Witness Tampering and Obstructing Justice?
Naa, too obvious, I suppose. Ok, how about this. His political opponents found
a "chink in his armor" and are expoliting it for all it's worth. Not only to
end his political career, but that of any and all who support him. Think THAT
might have something to do with it?
Naaaaaa. I guess it MUST be those Masons and Jews acting in concert/at odds
again (select prefered mythical state of existence).
As my kids would say, Yea, right!
*I know that I may be wrong here, but this is
*always the danger one has to accept trying to make sense of apparently
*unreasonable events. A weak theory is always better than none.
And that "weak theory" you have created, indeed.
*>Do you really think that there is a Masonic/Jewish master plan
*> to take over the world? I hope not..
*
*There is no denying the fact that the world today is dominated
*by the Anglo-American culture, nor can you claim that the American Revolution
*was not dominated by Freemasons, for example George Washington
*or Benjamin Franklin.
And, one may ask "How has the world survived, what with the undue influences
those two dasterdly Masons exerted on their society?"
*The same applies to the French Revolution,
*and it was through those revolutions that the current dominant ideology
*of "Liberalism", Capitalism and Parliamentarism started to take over the world.
Such evil, that promotion of personal responsibility, and cooperative endeavors!
It is truely amazing that with "Capitalism and Parliamentarism" existing as it
does, the world is still here at all!!
*Talking about a "Masonic/Jewish master plan to take over the world" means trying
*to discredit people who merely analyze history with the intention to make
*them look mad. This is not at all helpful for our future. Our world is in such
*a state that we do have to blame the ruling class, the people in power,
*because they are doing a very bad job. Many of them happen to be Freemasons
*and Jews.
Yea, but don't let the fact that Clinton is NEITHER, and nor are his most active
opponents, play any part in your thinking here. Just go on with your little
fiction. Don't let the facts get in the way.
*Obviously this does not mean all Jews and Freemasons are to blame.
*Jews and Freemasons who are not responsible should not defend those
*who are either.
|O| Be well. Travel with a light heart.
And in case I don't see ya' - Good Afternoon, Good Evening and Good Night!
Who said that?
Brother Gene .*.
http://www.blackmountainlodge.net
Every day spent practicing Brotherly Love, Relief, Truth, Faith, Hope, Charity, Tolerance, Temprence, Fortitude, Prudence and Justice is a GOOD day.
abelard
Firestone)
typed:
>In article <3609fe03...@192.168.100.3>,
>Klaus Wagner <Elizardbe...@t-online.de> wrote:
>[snip]
>>My basic assumption is that the current Overthrow-Clinton-Campaign
>>has political reasons and does not seek to restore good old sexual morals,
>>if there ever was such thing. The one logic reason why people would want
>>to get rid of Clinton seems to be the situation in the Middle East and his
>>reluctance to unconditionally support the disastrous policies of the current
>>Israeli government. I cannot see a better theory.
>>If you know one, let us know. I know that I may be wrong here, but this is
>>always the danger one has to accept trying to make sense of apparently
>>unreasonable events. A weak theory is always better than none.
>
>Since the troubles of Bill Clinton are _not_ about sexual morals--which
>is what the Clintonites want you to believe, as it can then be played as
>either a private matter or as "everybody does it"--but about perjury,
>obstruction of justice, misuse of power, and general malfeasance in
>office, not to mention bribery, campaign funding violations, and
>possible foreign influence on American foreign policy in Asia, the
>foregoing is preposterous. The "one logic[al] reason why people would
>want to get rid of Clinton" is that he has disgraced the office of the
>President of the United States and that the president ought not to be a
>crook, as one of his predecessors put it. ("I am not a crook."
>--Richard M. Nixon.)
i note that you are posting the same tired accusations and innuendo
without any support...as if they are facts...
this is shear dishonesty....i see little point giving you the respect
of considered replies....
what you are posting is mere lying political propaganda and
disinformation.
clinton has been found guilty of absolutely zilch....
he is therefore innocent.
nixon was a crook....he was found guilty of serious felonies.
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
abelard
socratic gadfly - please e-mail if response required
abelard @ abelard.demon.co.uk
all that is necessary for I walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that I a big stick.
good people do nothing I trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
abelard
(Klaus Wagner)
typed:
>Our current political systems work in such a way that the people who hold
>office are not crucial, but the ones who pull the strings behind the scenes.
>Presidents and Prime Ministers come and go, the policies however remain
>the same, so do the people who really are in control without exposing themselves
>and without having to bear responsibility for what is going on.
a bit colourful and exuberant...but a neat post.
regards.
abelard
typed:
>> My basic assumption is that the current Overthrow-Clinton-Campaign
>> has political reasons and does not seek to restore good old sexual morals,
>> if there ever was such thing. The one logic reason why people would want
>> to get rid of Clinton seems to be the situation in the Middle East and his
>> reluctance to unconditionally support the disastrous policies of the current
>> Israeli government. I cannot see a better theory.<
>
>What is equally interesting is that most of the extreme rightists were
>calling Clinton a Jew-lover who surrounded himself by all Jews who were
>members of the Zionist Occupied Government (ZOG). Now they suddenly love
>Clinton
which 'they' 'suddenly love clinton'?
>and it's Netanyahu and his American supporters doing everything
>to topple CLinton. You got the JEws covered, coming or going.
redrum
JGA...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net says...
>
>> My basic assumption is that the current Overthrow-Clinton-Campaign
>> has political reasons and does not seek to restore good old sexual
morals,
>> if there ever was such thing. The one logic reason why people would
want
>> to get rid of Clinton seems to be the situation in the Middle East
and his
>> reluctance to unconditionally support the disastrous policies of the
current
>> Israeli government. I cannot see a better theory.<
>
>What is equally interesting is that most of the extreme rightists were
>calling Clinton a Jew-lover who surrounded himself by all Jews who were
>members of the Zionist Occupied Government (ZOG). Now they suddenly
love
>to topple CLinton. You got the JEws covered, coming or going.
Yep, the poor Jews can't seem to get a break. Damned if they do, damned
if they don't. The real problem is that the Jewish identity is
threatening to those of small mind. Same for the Freemasons.
-redrum
threatened by field mice eating my cookies, but not by Jews or
Freemasons
redrum
Aubrey...@worldnet.att.net says...
>
>Bro. Firestone,
>If you don't be careful, you're going to get your own Web Page against
you.
>Ask Ed ! Hehehehe
>
>--
>Past Master Aubrey Brown Sr.
>Eureka Lodge No. 64 F&AM
>Grand Historian MWPHGL of IL
>aubrey...@worldnet.att.net
Use an alias like I do or else the Nazi nuts will post your address and
phone number all over the net. Ask Jeffrey Brown.
-redrum
friend of Jews and Freemasons, who thought of converting to either but
turned out to be too independent minded to follow a strict ideology
redrum
Rider.on.the...@t-online.de says...
>
>
>On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:49:31 GMT, ri...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>> Manny,
>>
>> Did you check out his web site? Another doomsayer with a nazi twist.
It';s
>> offered in English and German. The last time I hears someone
describing a
>> rider on a white horse was my world history teacher in high school
talking
>> about who the German people were waiting for when Hitler and his
bunch came
>> along. Zieg Heil! Could this be another German "Savior" under the
guise of a
>> Christian? The German Army wore buckles on their belts that said
(Translated)
>> "God with Us!"
>
>My web site tells you how the Bible predicted disasters of our time,
>which are signs of the end of our age. The Bible also tells us why
these things
>happen and what we have to do to stop them. These disasters will
continue,
>no matter how you libel, slander or ignore me, until people are so
desperate
>that they will welcome my explanations about what is happening to them.
>
>The danger is that it may already be too late by then.
I was holding back, but you asked for it:
Your Bible is a bunch of myths compiled by nomadic hunters 4000 years
ago. Your Book of Revelations was compiled by a second century Christian
on a psychedelic trip. None of them have any validity except maybe for
anthropologists seeking to study ancient Judeo-Christian culture. There
are so many interpretations that any could be right or wrong, which
means that no interpretation is likely to be right. I feel sad for
people like you who base their lives on 2000 year old myths, who live in
the past. Stop typing on your fucking computer and get a life, go out
and walk the streets of Tubingen or wherever *t-online.de* is, get some
fresh air and get some psychiatric help. There, I said it.
-redrum, atheist
>
>--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------
>E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 в 18, R is number 18
>in the alphabet, and E, letter No 5, and the 2 ( from II )
>can be calculated into 37 in the following way: 3=5-2 ; 7=5+2.
>
redrum
says...
>
>Dear Doktor,
>
>In which way did I libel, slander, OR ignore you? I gave the opinion
that
>you were another doomsayer with a nazi twist. Your words in the post
this
>newsgroup resemble the same arguments used by nazi propagandists for
taking
>over Germany and carrying out the "final solution". The story about my
HS
>history teacher is true. His words were : "The people in Germany,
suffering
>from an economic depression were waiting for their 'knight on a white
horse'
>to come along. Adolph Hitler appeared and the rest is history."
The image of a knight on a white horse is common in Germanic cultures,
including the English culture. Notice that he gives his email address as
*rider.on.the.white.horse*. Clearly he views himself as the savior of
the world.
>
>True or not? More people have been killed by those professing to do so
in the
>name of Christ than by any other group. If yo have studied the end of
the
>World in the Bible and attempted to correlate it with events that have
>occurred, you must have data to back up your claims. Much of that data
will
>also have what I ask. What does your own research show you? What does
common
>sense tell you?
Common sense tells me he's a nut. The Bible says that no man shall know
the day nor hour of the coming of the Lord, that He shall come as a
thief in the night.
>
>To lander or libel someone, a statement must be a lie. Where did I lie
about
>you?
>
>My Bible tells me that the end of the World is inevitable and not
undesires.
>It also tells me that God will come again to judge the living and the
dead and
>the worthy will dwell with him forever. How do you propose we stop
what will
>be? Why would those of us who are Christian wish to stop it? It is
the
>culmination of Christian existence and the final reward for all who
have been
>true to the faith.
>
>Only those who have reason to fear the Judgement would wish to stop the
end of
>the world. Why do you so fear the Judgement Day?
I don't. I don't worship your God, but if he is truly the one God then I
am not afraid of him or his judgement.
>
>By the way, are you a Doctor of Philosophy, Religion, or what? What
>University did you receive your doctorate from? I would like to
establish
>that your credentials are valid.
I am thinking that the *t* in *t-online.de* means Tubingen, a university
town in Germany.
>
>
>--
>Richard Jackson, PM
>Corrigan Masonic Lodge #1103 AF&AM
>Corrigan, Texas
-redrum
MasonTruth
>Subject: Re: Clinton, Jews and Freemasons
>Date: 9/22/98 9:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <6u9sig$cg1$1...@supernews.com>
>
>hreatened by field mice eating my cookies, but not by Jews or
>Freemasons
>
>
Dear Nada,
I take food seriously.. If you leave that cookie unattended this Mason is going
for it! One of the great things about our Fraternity is that we are always at
some function chowing down...
I guess the real secret to Freemasonry would be how to stay slim . I haven't
found the answer to that one yet.. I figured 'just say no"
but while my mind thinks it the reat of me says "well, just a little"
God Bless
Sincerely & Respectfully
MasonTruth
Bro. Manny Blanco
Moreno Valley Lodge # 804
Moreno Valley, CA
MasonTruth
>Subject: Re: Clinton, Jews and Freemasons
>Date: 9/22/98 1:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <36080bf3...@news.cimtegration.com>
>
>I have offered and the offer STILL stands, to make arrangements for
>any of the anti-semtic nuts here a free trip to Israel. (Must be
>certified nuts.and I am referring to Dr.Klause, The Puke Man or OFLF)
>Perhaps a visit to the Holocust Museum, and some free medications will
>help them in their thoughts.
Dear Ben,
While I thought I was without prejudice I took my family to the Museum of
Tolerance" in Los Angeles.. What an eye opening it was. The first part of the
museum dealt with everyday life and how we view others and foolish names we
use.. The second part dealt with the Holocaust and it's victims. It was a tour
and each person was given a card with the data of
a victim on it. At the end we found out what hapenned to that victim.. Most
were killed. I cried through the entire tour as did many others... I was next
to a big man with a tank top on who balled as if he were a baby.. I think that
visits to a museum of this type should be manditory for all children in
Elementary/Middle Schools and court directed for all thoose convicted of Hate
crimes...It would help people like Dr. Klaus
understand that he is wrong and that his hate is misdirected.
Dr. Roger M. Firestone
abelard <abe...@abelard.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[my previous posting snipped}
>i note that you are posting the same tired accusations and innuendo
> without any support...as if they are facts...
Actually, not. If you had actually read what I have written, you would
note that I mention these as the alleged misconduct of the
president--what the inquiry is _about_. I do not state that they are
facts, only that various activities have been reported. (Although the
posession of several hundred raw FBI files by the White House and the
IRS audits of Billy Dale and Paula Jones are certainly facts, as are the
illegal campaign contributions processed through various front men like
"Charlie" Yah Lin Trie. The White House, IRS, and Democratic National
Committee have all admitted to these, although they of course have their
exculpatory explanations.)
>this is shear dishonesty....i see little point giving you the respect
> of considered replies....
Thanks. I don't really enjoy wasting my time with you anyway... BTW,
it's "sheer," not "shear."
>what you are posting is mere lying political propaganda and
> disinformation.
I think not. As I have noted, there are quite a few facts which, taken
as an aggregate, show a pattern worthy of further investigation for
misfeasance. Is it "mere lying political propaganda" to point out that
a Clinton White House employee claimed to have lied to his own diary?
Or is it "disinformation" to mention the Rose Law Firm billing records,
under subpoena duces tecum for over a year, just "appearing" in the
White House Book Room? These are _facts_. You proabaly interpret them
in some way that can be explained without criminal action being
involved; that is just as much political propaganda as taking the
opposite position...at this time, anyway.
>clinton has been found guilty of absolutely zilch....
>he is therefore innocent.
At this time that is legally true. Clinton has yet to be tried in a
court of law for anything. All men are innocent until proven guilty,
under our system. Whether he is _innocent_ in the factual sense of not
having committed any crimes is a matter between him and Deity--and any
witnesses. (Were you there?) And of course, a politician must also
answer to the court of public opinion, which decides guilty on yet
another basis.
>nixon was a crook....he was found guilty of serious felonies.
Oh, really? In which court were these proceedings held? What sentence
was passed? I'm afraid that "Nixon was a crook" is an _opinion_. He
was neither impeached and convicted nor tried in a court of law for any
offenses (President Ford pardoned him in advance of any trial). Nor did
he ever publicly admit to the comission of any felonies. You must
therefore assign to him the same protections you claim for Bill Clinton.
Of course, in the court of public opinion, Nixon was found
culpable--that's why he resigned the office of the presidency and never
again held public office.
Can we get this discussion out of a Masonic group?
Klaus Wagner
> Are you old enough to remember the Second World War? If so, were you a member
> of the Hitler Jugend?
I can understand that people like German Chancellor Kohl, who were teenagers
when WW II was over, feel Germans have to be ashamed for all eternity, bow down
in front of everything Jewish and admire the strength and moral superiority
of the red-white-and-blue countries. I was a young teenager during
the Vietnam war, I also got a personal taste of the Jewish-Mason way living
in London for 8 years, and therefore look at things somewhat differently.
> Do you believe in the idealogy of the Nazi Party as practiced before the
> Second World War? Do you believe Hitler was a savior of the German people
> who was let down by his subordinates? I just thought it would be useful
> to know all of your idealogy so we could better judge your theories.
My opinion about Hitler and the Nazis follows the prediction by the Bible
prophet Isaiah in chapter 42. My Internet page on this chapter:
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/6672/is42.htm#23
includes a picture of Hitler along with the following text:
> (24) Who made Jacob
( "Jacob" symbolizes the Jews,
because they descended from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.)
> become loot and handed Israel over to the destroyers ?
( The Nazis killed many Jews and plundered their possessions.)
> Was it not the LORD himself against whom we have sinned ?
( Apparently many Jews have reacted to the Holocaust with anti-German
feelings and propaganda. They also think that these things happened
against the will of God. Nothing in this world happens
against the will of God ! )
> For they would not follow his ways; they did not live by his law.
> (25) So he poured out on them the force of his anger
> and made them suffer the violence of war.
( In the 20th century as well as in ancient times according to many
fulfilled prophecies from Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Jesus
and other Jewish prophets.)
> It totally incinerated them,
( in the furnaces of Auschwitz and other concentration camps )
> yet they did not understand;
( The policies of the State of Judah known as "Israel" towards
the Palestinians do not suggest they did. Looking at the role of Jews
within Anglo-American political and financial institutions today it is
the tragedy of our time that the warning from the Nazi Holocaust
was not understood. What next ? ... see Habakkuk, 2:4, Revelation 14:19.)
> it burned them up, but they did not realize why.
As it happens, Isaiah, chapter 41 and chapter 42 also mentions someone
who comes from the East to "the Islands", which was fulfilled when I was
in London .... see:
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/6672/is41.htm
-- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
JRuble
>Subject: Re: Clinton, Jews and Freemasons
>Date: 9/22/98 7:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <19980922195523...@ng123.aol.com>
Sounds good to me, if my wife will let me out, I'll bring the tobacco.
SCOTTY
RedRopers
From: jru...@aol.com (JRuble)
Sounds good to me, if my wife will let me out, I'll bring the tobacco.
Is it for chewin' or for smokin'?
Jana
ri...@my-dejanews.com
course, they wouldn't last too long there when they started telling those
folks about Christianity their style.
--
Richard Jackson, PM
Corrigan Masonic Lodge #1103 AF&AM
Corrigan, Texas
In article <36080bf3...@news.cimtegration.com>,
car...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:57:18 GMT, ri...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> >My point exactly Jana. There are two things every warring party always
> >claims:
> >
> >Their God is on their side and therefore they are in the right, and the magic
> >bullet (our weapons are superior to the other side's , therefore we will
win.)
> >
> Well, I see the Dorks Organization have come out of the closet.
>
> I have offered and the offer STILL stands, to make arrangements for
> any of the anti-semtic nuts here a free trip to Israel. (Must be
> certified nuts.and I am referring to Dr.Klause, The Puke Man or OFLF)
> Perhaps a visit to the Holocust Museum, and some free medications will
> help them in their thoughts.
>
> This type of hate mongoring, does not bode well for our world, or our
> children's future.However, I notice how many few of them, tend to make
> such a loud (and unheard for the most part) noises.
>
> L'Shana Tova
>
> BenGee
>
> meet us on IRC ..EFNET server #freemasons!
>
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ri...@my-dejanews.com
na...@na.da (redrum) wrote:
> In article <36120528...@192.168.100.3>,
> Rider.on.the...@t-online.de says...
> I was holding back, but you asked for it:
>
> Your Bible is a bunch of myths compiled by nomadic hunters 4000 years
> ago. Your Book of Revelations was compiled by a second century Christian
> on a psychedelic trip. None of them have any validity except maybe for
> anthropologists seeking to study ancient Judeo-Christian culture. There
> are so many interpretations that any could be right or wrong, which
> means that no interpretation is likely to be right. I feel sad for
> people like you who base their lives on 2000 year old myths, who live in
> the past. Stop typing on your fucking computer and get a life, go out
> and walk the streets of Tubingen or wherever *t-online.de* is, get some
> fresh air and get some psychiatric help. There, I said it.
>
> -redrum, atheist
>
I have no more sympathy for people like you than for Wagner. If you wish to
not believe, so be it. That is your choice. The use of vulgarity, however,
is a sign that you do not have the intellect to better express yourself
without it. This is a Masonic newsgroup. One of the defining things about
Masons is that no aithiest can be a member. Shoo! You are not wanted either
here or in Lodge.
--
Richard Jackson, PM
Corrigan Masonic Lodge #1103 AF&AM
Corrigan, Texas
-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
ri...@my-dejanews.com
na...@na.da (redrum) wrote:
> In article <6u937i$f...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
> Use an alias like I do or else the Nazi nuts will post your address and
> phone number all over the net. Ask Jeffrey Brown.
>
> -redrum
> friend of Jews and Freemasons, who thought of converting to either but
> turned out to be too independent minded to follow a strict ideology
>
>
You are too late. Many of us beat them to the punch some time ago and posted
our address in the clear.
abelard
Firestone)
typed:
>>this is shear dishonesty....i see little point giving you the respect
>> of considered replies....
>
>Thanks. I don't really enjoy wasting my time with you anyway... BTW,
>it's "sheer," not "shear."
your time is without value....
yeah...i couldn't be bothered to check the speling...
just as i cannot be bothered to sort through
your convoluted empty dishonesty....
the real problem is a 40 million dollar funded witch hunt
designed to overthrow the democratic will by the abuse of
legal process...
after 40 million dollars the whole substance is thousands
of pages about nothing...
none of the accusations and innuendo achieve any
status whatsoever....
and this after hounding of a single human for 4+ years....
with the full backing of the state...
a human who is showing great skill in one of the most difficult
and complex jobs on the planet....despite all this distraction and
harrassment.....day by day he works for the nation and the world.
the person hounded is achieving international acclaim
for peace efforts around the globe....
yet all your tiny doctorish 'mind' can see is a panty hunt....
and a speeling error.
you are of planet.....
mandela...one of the greatest humanitarian peacemakers
of our age yesterday said.....
'the us is completely isolated on this question'....
he should have said, a small proportion of the american people.
he also said....'our morality does not allow us to desert our
friends'...what a difference with lieberman and moynihan.
the united nations gave him a standing ovation before and
after his speech....
bernice king...the daughter of martin luther king...said....
'god does not need any help from congress on the subject of
forgiveness....'
pakistan have today made moves to join the test ban treaty...
after pressure from the whitehouse....
iran have asked for a widespread peace conference since
clinton's comments on islam...
clinton has brokered a historic peace process in ni...
a 50 strong group of influential people have just released
a letter laying out their disgust at the new salem...
while all doctor dope cares for is a dik hunt.....
you are pathetic beyond disdain....
shere is spelt shear or whatever...how tiny and irrelevant
can a human 'mind' become.....
the witchfinder general has spent four years of his worthless
life pursuing one of the busiest and most humane intelligent
persons on the planet....
what have you done for world peace....sorry...of course you
are not interested...you are merely interested in how many
angels can dance on a pin analysis of where and when and with
what the royal dik did or did not do....
while clinton will rate as one of the great figures of the 20th
century....you will be unremembered and unregretted dust...
if keyhole ken is remembered it will be as a poisonous little
creep who merely wasted the time of those he was not fit to
look at....as a modern mccarty...a curse on the lips of all
right minded people.
>>what you are posting is mere lying political propaganda and
>> disinformation.
>
>I think not.
you sure as hell think....not....
the rest i have not even bothered to read.
>>clinton has been found guilty of absolutely zilch....
>>he is therefore innocent.
>
>At this time that is legally true.
yes it is true....you know nothing of any future time.
again the rest of your drivel unread....you have nothing to say...
i wonder how well you would come out of such a four year
time wasting hounding......complete with unremitting baying
of a venal media....a concentrated attempt to find something...
anything...however small....however ridiculous to 'criminalise'
your behaviour....
through it all clinton remains glued to his task of improving his
society and the wider world....clinton's fortitude under this
endless ruthless criminal attack is quite amazing....
his courage in the face of such evil is a lesson in what a human
can be.....
while those involved in the circus...those seeking political
or commercial mileage...those waiting until they imagine
he appears weak to cut and run or are treacherous in their
'friendship'....it is they that show true immorality...
they do not...as many fools suggest show clinton diminishing the
office of the president....neither do they themselves diminish the
office...clinton is very able to do the opposite as he enhances
the presidency by his courage and calm example....
they do just one thing....they diminish themselves....
meanwhile...clinton's approval ratings continue to clime as the great
majority of decent americans awaken to the fraud perpetrated upon
them...
(i've left spelling mistakes in order that there is something
in this post on your own mediocre level.)
i note your dishonest net abuse in attempting to cut my
reply from the groups to which you posted your trivial drivel.
Klaus Wagner
On 22 Sep 1998 22:11:27 GMT, jru...@aol.com (JRuble) wrote about
the Freemasons' role in setting up (set=Egyptian Devil) the United States:
> Brother Roger
>
> What you failed to state, because of their ethics, high morals, and their
> presence, the Order did have a significant influence on the Declaration of
> Independence and the Constitution.
> In other words, the others looked up to the Masons involved. Now, if it is a
> sin to earn the respect of your fellow man, we all aspire to be
> sinners. At least I do.
"Earning the respect of your fellow man" by proclaiming the highest moral
standards and principles has always been the Freemason way.
Who would oppose: "Liberte, Egalite and Fraternite ?"
Who would oppose the ethics of the American Declaration of Independence
and Constitution ?
Action however speaks louder than words. If all Freemasons were as good
as they claim to be, the red-white-and-blue civilization founded on the American
and French revolutions would surely have turned our world into an ideal place.
The truth however is, we live in the most destructive era since time began ...
Klaus Wagner
> Yep, the poor Jews can't seem to get a break. Damned if they do, damned
> if they don't. The real problem is that the Jewish identity is
> threatening to those of small mind. Same for the Freemasons.
Nobody forces Jews to keep Arab territory occupied, and to build settlements
there which look more like fortresses and are off limits for their non-Jewish
neighbors. Nobody forces Jews to disregard the teachings of their prophets,
e. g. Isaiah, chapter 1, Exodus 22:25, Leviticus 25:36, and heap up
unreasonable wealth while millions of people die of poverty each year.
Nobody forces Jews to behave the way they do, but certainly they will have
to bear the consequences of their actions and non-actions.
If things go on the way they do, in 50 years time, people may say
the Nazi Holocaust was a piece of cake compared to what came later.
Klaus Wagner
I had written:
> > > The Book of Revelation, chapter 13 predicts the Beast 666 with
> > > features that have all been fulfilled by the present "Queen" of England.>>
On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:27:50 -0400, Mike Restivo
<mtro...@REMOVETHISPARTpathcom.com> replied:
> I don't give credibility to hate web sites. Both your Gematria
> and your Biblical acumen are bogus. I need not visit a garbage site to
> determine that it is full of offal. The stench, at this distance,
> already dissuades me from even one visit.
You write that you judge something you refuse to look at.
I do not need to comment on that attitude.
As for hatred: hurricanes, floods, wildfires, famines,
unstable governments, economic crises, Bill Clinton, Tony Blair
and Gerhard Schroeder make things look like God hates us.
JGA...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
>
> On 23 Sep 1998 04:14:08 GMT, na...@na.da (redrum) replied:
>
> > Yep, the poor Jews can't seem to get a break. Damned if they do, damned
> > if they don't. The real problem is that the Jewish identity is
> > threatening to those of small mind. Same for the Freemasons.
>
> Nobody forces Jews to keep Arab territory occupied, and to build settlements
> there which look more like fortresses and are off limits for their non-Jewish
> neighbors. Nobody forces Jews to disregard the teachings of their prophets,
> e. g. Isaiah, chapter 1, Exodus 22:25, Leviticus 25:36, and heap up
> unreasonable wealth while millions of people die of poverty each year.
>
> Nobody forces Jews to behave the way they do, but certainly they will have
> to bear the consequences of their actions and non-actions.
> If things go on the way they do, in 50 years time, people may say
> the Nazi Holocaust was a piece of cake compared to what came later.>
Your Fuehrer has taught you well. And he was into astrology too.
AUBREY BROWN SR
Excuse me but is this alt.freemasonry or alt. politics.politicians.politics
and religion. Has someone changed the NG in the couple of days I've walked
around in a daze due to a head cold or something. Or am I suffering a
delusional state for taking too many over the counter cold medications?
--
Past Master Aubrey Brown Sr.
Eureka Lodge No. 64 F&AM
Grand Historian MWPHGL of IL
aubrey...@worldnet.att.net
Klaus Wagner wrote in message <3609d8b1...@192.168.100.3>...
ri...@my-dejanews.com
which makes it possible for them to build weapons of mass destruction. You
have not answered a couple of questions Klaus.
How old are you?
What degree do you possess to deserve the title "Doctor" and where is it from?
I would like to know your credentials to establish what academic credibility
you have, if any.
--
Richard Jackson, PM
Corrigan Masonic Lodge #1103 AF&AM
Corrigan, Texas
In article <360cdad3...@192.168.100.3>,
> --
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
> E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 в 18, R is number 18
> in the alphabet, and E, letter No 5, and the 2 ( from II )
> can be calculated into 37 in the following way: 3=5-2 ; 7=5+2.
>
> With kind regards Dr. Klaus Wagner
> Multi-Media Apocalypse 2000 online: Our Future Revealed:
> > http://home.t-online.de/home/072722649
> > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/6672
> Ancient biblical predictions about our present time and future.
>
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RedRopers
Subject: Re: Clinton, Jews and Freemasons
Date: Thu, Sep 24, 1998 01:43 EDT
Message-id: <360cdad3...@192.168.100.3>
On 23 Sep 1998 04:14:08 GMT, na...@na.da
Nobody forces Jews to keep Arab territory occupied, and to build settlements
there which look more like fortresses and are off limits for their non-Jewish
neighbors. Nobody forces Jews to disregard the teachings of their prophets, e.
g. Isaiah, chapter 1, Exodus 22:25, Leviticus 25:36, and heap up unreasonable
wealth while millions of people die of poverty each year.
No, nobody forces them to do anything. They should have the right to live
wherever they want to live. But, I guess you don't believe that way, you think
they should be kicked around, like dogs. Your name denotes your beliefs.
As far as amassing great amounts of wealth. Have you ever for one moment
stopped to think that maybe they believe in working for a living? And just like
everyone else, they have every right to do with it as they wish.
You're another one of those people who believe that persecuting people is ok
because of your miscontrued Biblical beliefs.
Nobody forces Jews to behave the way they do, but certainly they will have to
bear the consequences of their actions and non-actions. If things go on the way
they do, in 50 years time, people may say the Nazi Holocaust was a piece of
cake compared to what came later.
Nobody forces the Jews to behave the way they do, nobody forces anybody to
behave the way they do. I just can't believe you could be so narrow minded, and
egotistical. You better watch that, the Bible says to guard against vanity, it
also says to love thy neighbor as thyself.
Jana
RedRopers
From: Rider.on.the...@t-online.de (Klaus Wagner)
As for hatred: hurricanes, floods, wildfires, famines, unstable governments,
economic crises, Bill Clinton, Tony Blairand Gerhard Schroeder make things look
like God hates us.
Maybe it's hatred like your's for God's chosen people (the Jews) that God
really hates and it's you he's out to get.
Jana
RedRopers
From: "AUBREY BROWN SR" <Aubrey...@worldnet.att.net>
I've walked around in a daze due to a head cold or something. Or am I
suffering a
delusional state for taking too many over the counter cold medications?
Aubrey,
You just walk around in a daze, admit it! But, if you really want to get well,
get a bottle of Nyquil on your night off, drink the whole thing you won't care
if you have a cold or not.;)
Jana
fran...@soltec.net
Elizardbe...@t-online.de wrote:
> Action however speaks louder than words. If all Freemasons were as good
> as they claim to be, the red-white-and-blue civilization founded on the
American
> and French revolutions would surely have turned our world into an ideal place.
> The truth however is, we live in the most destructive era since time began ...
Klaus,
There are only so many of us Freemasons in the world: about 6 million versus
a world population of 5.7 billion--we're only 0.1% of the world's
inhabitants. We try to do our part as much as we can.
But what constitutes "an ideal place"? That's what I believe has caused most,
if not all, of the problems among groups and countries: each has their
definition of what constitutes "an ideal place." The anti-Masonics who
frequent this NG want a world where Freemasonry doesn't exist (a frightening
thought to say the least); we Freemasons want a world where all persons
inculcate the virtues and values taught by Freemasonry. Many religious groups
believe their version of their religion should be the religion of everyone;
others (such as Freemasons) believe in freedom of religion. Thus the
conflicts arise as one entity seeks to impose (afflict?) its doctrine, dogma,
beliefs, etc. on all other entities and persons with the resulting
destructive acts in their effort to do so.
We as Freemasons have no political or police authority or power to impose our
values on anyone, nor do or can we force anyone to join our organization. Men
who come into Freemasonry must do so willing and of their own free will and
accord. It follows then that even though we expect our members to always live
by and exemplify the virtues and values of Freemasonry, it is still the
member's choice as to how much he will do so and how he does it.
To say that a lack of action by Freemasons is a cause of the current societal
problems in the world is, to me, absurd. Granted, maybe we could each do a
bit more. But even so, as I stated above, there are only so many Freemasons
in the world. And I don't think our influence is as strong as you think it
is, at least in today's social climate. For the world to become "an ideal
place" based on the principles of Freemasonry, a vast majority of the world's
population must accept and believe in those principles and make them the
norms or "oughts" of society. Christianity and other religions have been
trying to make the world an ideal place for thousands of years and has had
only limited success. We Masons have been working at it for only 300 years.
Give us some more time and let's see what happens.
<>---<>---<>---<>---<>---<>---<>---<>---<>---<>---<>---<>---<>
Frederick W. Randall, 32° AARS, AANOMS
Secretary
Rantoul Lodge No. 470, A. F. & A. M.
Rantoul, Illinois
"Meet on the Level, Act by the Plumb, Part upon the Square"
Dr. Roger M. Firestone
[snip]
>Your Bible is a bunch of myths compiled by nomadic hunters 4000 years
>ago. Your Book of Revelations was compiled by a second century Christian
>on a psychedelic trip. None of them have any validity except maybe for
>anthropologists seeking to study ancient Judeo-Christian culture. There
>are so many interpretations that any could be right or wrong, which
>means that no interpretation is likely to be right. I feel sad for
>people like you who base their lives on 2000 year old myths, who live in
>the past. Stop typing on your fucking computer and get a life, go out
>and walk the streets of Tubingen or wherever *t-online.de* is, get some
>fresh air and get some psychiatric help. There, I said it.
You mistakenly assume that every branch of religion depends on the
literal truth of the "myths" in its scripture. (Your dates are also
wrong; most of the Jewish Scriptures were compiled just about 2200 years
ago. Very little of the Scriptures date from as far back as 4000 years;
some of Genesis, but nothing else. A good portion of the more recent
material is documentable history, but of course, not all of it.) The
validity of these "myths," as you term them (many would prefer the term
"parables") is that they teach truths, not about history, but about
rules of conduct and about theology.
Atheism may be your personal choice, but it cannot be justified solely
on the basis that the Scriptures of any particular religion are not
historical truth. Nor does it follow logically that a multiplicity of
interpretations means that none is correct. (There are multiplicity of
flights leaving Dulles Airport; does that mean that none goes to my
destination? Surely a fallacious line of reasoning!) It is indeed
possible that the notion of a single correct interpretation or
philosophy is not a proper way to look at the issue.
Since this is a Masonic news group, I will point out that Masonry does
not suggest that any particular religion is "correct," only that all
religions teach a common practical moral philosophy which men of good
character ought to follow, and that a belief in some form of religion is
necessary for one to accept such a philosophy, rather than some form of
paganism in which the strong are permitted to devour the weak.
Roger M. Firestone, 32 KCCH
Dr. Roger M. Firestone
Klaus Wagner <Elizardbe...@t-online.de> wrote:
[snip]
>As for hatred: hurricanes, floods, wildfires, famines,
>unstable governments, economic crises, Bill Clinton, Tony Blair
>and Gerhard Schroeder make things look like God hates us.
Some of those things are visited upon us by our fellow men, while others
are not necessarily attributable to the malevolence of Deity, but only
to the nature of the universe, which, physicists tell us, must be as it
is for human life to be found in it. Hurricanes replenish the water
table, floods redistribute soil nutrients, and wildfires recycle the
forest habitat.
Some say that Man was expelled from the Garden for disobedience; others
might interpret the story as one of leaving the womb to grow in a more
challenging environment. If our parents cease to treat us like babies,
languishing for days, months, and years, more helpless than the brute
creation, but expect us to learn to walk and talk, study in school, and
make our own way in the world, even though this means experiencing
disappointment and hardship, is it because they hate us or because their
love for us is more complex than simple provision of food and shelter?
God does not try us because He hates us; He has given us this world from
love.
I suggest you re-read the Book of Job and begin to learn what has been
said about theodicy and the problem of evil. The notion that all
misfortune is a punishment from God is not worthy of anyone who has
reached adult years--and indeed, diminishes God to mere human
proportions and emotions. See what the Voice from the Whirlwind says of
Job's "comforters," who have, like you, spoken ill of Deity.
Dr. Roger M. Firestone
abelard <abe...@abelard.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:51:21 GMT, rf...@chele.cais.com (Dr. Roger M.
>Firestone)
>
> typed:
>
>>>this is shear dishonesty....i see little point giving you the respect
>>> of considered replies....
>>
>>Thanks. I don't really enjoy wasting my time with you anyway... BTW,
>>it's "sheer," not "shear."
>
>your time is without value....
>yeah...i couldn't be bothered to check the speling...
> just as i cannot be bothered to sort through
> your convoluted empty dishonesty....
>the real problem is a 40 million dollar funded witch hunt
> designed to overthrow the democratic will by the abuse of
> legal process...
>after 40 million dollars the whole substance is thousands
> of pages about nothing...
>none of the accusations and innuendo achieve any
> status whatsoever....
>and this after hounding of a single human for 4+ years....
> with the full backing of the state...
>a human who is showing great skill in one of the most difficult
> and complex jobs on the planet....despite all this distraction and
> harrassment.....day by day he works for the nation and the world.
Actually, the Starr investigation has produced 14 convictions at law of
serious felonies. It never was focussed on just one person. Talk about
"empty dishonesty."
>the person hounded is achieving international acclaim
> for peace efforts around the globe....
>yet all your tiny doctorish 'mind' can see is a panty hunt....
> and a speeling error.
Strange criticism, since I have pointed out repeatedly that the Starr
investigation was never about sex (which you apparently term a "panty
hunt") but about serious charges like perjury, witness tampering, the
filing of false affidavits, and obstruction of justice.
Some of us see Clinton's peace efforts as having primary success where
it has been possible for him to bully an ally, such as Britain or
Israel. Even those are starting to come unglued, as are the Dayton
accords. Looks like a hard-line Serb is about to be elected in Bosnia.
>you are of planet.....
>mandela...one of the greatest humanitarian peacemakers
> of our age yesterday said.....
>'the us is completely isolated on this question'....
> he should have said, a small proportion of the american people.
>he also said....'our morality does not allow us to desert our
> friends'...what a difference with lieberman and moynihan.
>the united nations gave him a standing ovation before and
> after his speech....
>bernice king...the daughter of martin luther king...said....
> 'god does not need any help from congress on the subject of
> forgiveness....'
>pakistan have today made moves to join the test ban treaty...
> after pressure from the whitehouse....
>iran have asked for a widespread peace conference since
> clinton's comments on islam...
>clinton has brokered a historic peace process in ni...
>a 50 strong group of influential people have just released
> a letter laying out their disgust at the new salem...
I believe that Richard Nixon made great strides in normalizing American
relations with China and ended the war in Viet Nam. He was still forced
from office for good and sufficent reason. (Mafiosi give large sums to
the church and spend lots of money on the neighborhood where they live.
Their trials have been picketed by neighbors who enjoy those
benefits...while other neighborhoods are littered with the corpses of
those slain in drug wars and other forms of conflict among organized
crime families.)
>while all doctor dope cares for is a dik hunt.....
>you are pathetic beyond disdain....
A dik-dik is a small South African antelope. I'm not sure how it
figures into this discussion. Name-calling ("doctor dope") is a clear
admission of the inability to refute an argument with facts and logic.
>shere is spelt shear or whatever...how tiny and irrelevant
> can a human 'mind' become.....
Well, you're doing a good job of showing us...
>the witchfinder general has spent four years of his worthless
> life pursuing one of the busiest and most humane intelligent
> persons on the planet....
>what have you done for world peace....sorry...of course you
> are not interested...you are merely interested in how many
> angels can dance on a pin analysis of where and when and with
> what the royal dik did or did not do....
I believe that you have taken leave of your senses, as evidenced by your
increasingly incoherent prose. Bill Clinton is not a god, as you seem
to think. As for his actions in promoting world peace...please tell us
how Clinton's policies have reduced the threats posed by such countries
as Iraq, Iran, and North Korea, or how he prevented Pakistan from
becoming a nuclear country. (You will, as you have before, point to
Northern Ireland; that's a place where peace has been proclaimed
before. Ask the people of Armagh how peaceful it's been since the
accords were agreed to...)
>while clinton will rate as one of the great figures of the 20th
> century....you will be unremembered and unregretted dust...
>if keyhole ken is remembered it will be as a poisonous little
> creep who merely wasted the time of those he was not fit to
> look at....as a modern mccarty...a curse on the lips of all
> right minded people.
I'm afraid you delude yourself. The Clinton Administration will be
remembered just as much for the suicide of Vince Foster, the 700 FBI
files, the firing of and criminal charges against the White House travel
office employees, the mysterious appearance of the Rose Law
Firm billing records one year after they were subpoenaed, the use of the
IRS to audit Clinton's enemies, and the myriad legal decisions about
"privilege" which have weakened the presidency as for anything that
Clinton actually accomplished.
And of course, Ken Starr has not been the only independent counsel
investigating this administration; there have been others, such as the
ones looking into Mike Espy (convicted) and Ron Brown (deceased before
the investigation could be completed).
Do you really think that the history books will overlook all of these
things and consider Clinton "one of the great figures of the 20th
century?" I doubt it.
Please note that in all of the above, not to mention my previous posting
which you have variously characterized as a "panty hunt" and a "dik
hunt," I have not once mentioned the Lewinsky matter. As a matter of
fact, I consider it unfortunate that the best case that Ken Starr has
been able to make has been related to that subject; I would far prefer
that Clinton be called to account for his many other abuses of power.
But it was a good thing that Al Capone went to prison, even if it was
for tax evasion rather than murder, conspiracy, and robbery. It will
likewise be a good thing if abuse of power by the president is punished,
even if the clearest case can be made only in regard to obtaining sexual
favors from a subordinate.
BTW, since some of Bill Clinton's strongest support has been from
feminist groups who have vociferously criticized any executive who would
take advantage of his position to obtain sex from a subordinate, I guess
it does not bother you that this "one of the...most humane intelligent
persons on the planet" is a rank hypocrite.
>>>what you are posting is mere lying political propaganda and
>>> disinformation.
>>
>>I think not.
>
>you sure as hell think....not....
>the rest i have not even bothered to read.
>
>>>clinton has been found guilty of absolutely zilch....
>>>he is therefore innocent.
>>
>>At this time that is legally true.
>
>yes it is true....you know nothing of any future time.
>again the rest of your drivel unread....you have nothing to say...
>
>i wonder how well you would come out of such a four year
> time wasting hounding......complete with unremitting baying
> of a venal media....a concentrated attempt to find something...
> anything...however small....however ridiculous to 'criminalise'
> your behaviour....
Since I have never engaged in the behavior (bribery, influence-peddling,
obstruction of justice, abuse of power) which brings upon one the
investigation by the criminal justice system, I guess I'm never going to
find out what that would be like.
Did you defend Ray Donovan and Ed Meese when they were investigated at
the instigation of Ronald Reagan's political opponents, BTW? They were
"hounded" for about the same length of time...except that at the end of
the process, they were each found not guilty by a jury, unlike Mike
Espy, Webster Hubbell, James and Susan McDougall, Jim Guy Tucker, and
several other Clinton associates.
>through it all clinton remains glued to his task of improving his
> society and the wider world....clinton's fortitude under this
> endless ruthless criminal attack is quite amazing....
Well, some would say that it is characteristic of the psychopathic
personality--to blame all of one's troubles on someone else.
I am not aware of any "criminal attack" on Clinton since that guy crashed
his plane into the White House. Ken Starr was appointed by a panel of
Circuit Court judges after the Attorney General became aware of credible
evidence of law-breaking by Bill Clinton, originally in the Whitewater
affair, but later in other matters, including that of alleged perjury in
the Jones trial. The process was entirely within the law. If Ken Starr
were actually in violation of his oath of office, he could be fired by
the President. You assert that Bill Clinton has "courage": If he
really did have that quality, he could fire Starr and take the
consequences. (As Nixon had the special prosecutor fired in the
notorious "Saturday Night Massacre.")
>his courage in the face of such evil is a lesson in what a human
> can be.....
Courage? Or schizoid dissociation from reality?
>while those involved in the circus...those seeking political
> or commercial mileage...those waiting until they imagine
> he appears weak to cut and run or are treacherous in their
> 'friendship'....it is they that show true immorality...
If a friend of yours committed a criminal act, would you help him cover
it up? Is that your definition of "morality?"
>they do not...as many fools suggest show clinton diminishing the
> office of the president....neither do they themselves diminish the
> office...clinton is very able to do the opposite as he enhances
> the presidency by his courage and calm example....
Bill Clinton has become the laughingstock of late night television.
Perhaps the Office of the Presidency has not been diminished, but he
himself certainly has. Anyone who claims that Bill Clinton has "enhanced"
the presidency is not in touch with reality; his legal actions alone in
asserting claims of privilege have done the office great damage (just as
Nixon did in various struggles with the Congress) by establishing legal
precedents where none previously existed.
> they do just one thing....they diminish themselves....
>
>meanwhile...clinton's approval ratings continue to clime as the great
> majority of decent americans awaken to the fraud perpetrated upon
> them...
The late Roman emperors probably had high approval ratings as long as
there were bread and circuses for the populace; Clinton's ratings appear
to track the stock market. Approval ratings are totally ephemeral and a
sorry thing on which to base the government of a large and powerful
nation. At this stage in the Watergate hearings, Nixon's approval
ratings were not so bad, either. Did I mention the Mafiosi whose
neighbors liked them? OTOH, Harry Truman's approval ratings were often
quite low; that didn't stop him from doing what he saw as the right
thing.
In a democracy, it has been said that people get the government they
deserve. If the American people want to be governed by a charming
mountebank, that's what they get. (However, one might point out that in
both of his presidential elections, Clinton did not receve a majority of
the popular vote; over 50% of the voters preferred someone else. Maybe
the American people aren't so stupid as you think...)
>
>(i've left spelling mistakes in order that there is something
> in this post on your own mediocre level.)
I thought you left them in because you were illiterate and/or too lazy
to write clearly and correctly.
>i note your dishonest net abuse in attempting to cut my
> reply from the groups to which you posted your trivial drivel.
I beg your pardon, but net abuse is committed when posting material
which is entirely irrelevant to the subject matter of a newsgroup, not
by redirecting it to someplace appropriate. This material does not
belong in alt.freemasonry (it has no relevance to Freemasonry),
uk.politics.misc (Bill Clinton is not a UK politician), or
soc.culture.israel/soc.culture.usa (it is not about _culture_ but
politics, and certainly has no relation to Israeli culture). It is
quite clear that you are the net abuser, not I.
I leave it to the readership to determine which of us has posted
"drivel." I don't think you'll even get Bill Clinton's 40% of the vote,
however, even from those who might agree with your position; you make a
singularly poor advocate for your ideas.
Please do not post further on this topic to alt.freemasonry.
AUBREY BROWN SR
RedRopers wrote in message <19980924075833...@ng76.aol.com>...
Jana,
I even did that already. The main thing I needed was sleep but is harder
for me to find time for than finding a gold mine in my backyard!
Aubrey
abelard
(Klaus Wagner)
typed:
>and heap up
>unreasonable wealth while millions of people die of poverty each year.
your understanding of economics is tenuous....
the 'richest' person can still only eat a few meals a day....
that does not cause 'millions of people die of poverty each year'.
'rich' people tend to build farms and research facilities and
distribution networks.....which tend to alleviate poverty and
starvation.
>Nobody forces Jews to behave the way they do, but certainly they will have
>to bear the consequences of their actions and non-actions.
every person bears the consequences of their actions...
often others also bear consequences....
>If things go on the way they do, in 50 years time, people may say
>the Nazi Holocaust was a piece of cake compared to what came later.
you also will have to bear consequences if your attempts
to generate and project irrationalism bear any fruit....
just as your country did last time unreason became a
dominant force...
he who sows the wind will reap the whirlwind....
regards.
abelard
(Klaus Wagner)
typed:
>The truth however is, we live in the most destructive era since time began ...
i think you are too pessimistic.
Dr. Roger M. Firestone
>good as they claim to be, the red-white-and-blue civilization founded
>on the American and French revolutions would surely have turned our
>destructive era since time began ...
Freemasons in this world are outnumbered more than 100-1 by Christians
in general, not to mention Muslims. Perhaps if Christians and Muslims
were as good as _they_ claim to be, the world would be a better place.
We live in an era in which life expectancy is greater than it has ever
been "since time began." We live in an era in which the poorest
citizens of developed countries live better than the monarchs of the
17th and 18th centuries could ever dream of. How can this be the "most
destructive era" of history?
Speaking of destructive eras, how about that of the 5th century AD? In
476, the city of Rome was sacked by barbarians, ending the western Roman
empire. Civilization in Western Europe took something like a thousand
years to return to a comparable level. Are we faced with this today?
Or is "the most destructive era since time began" mere hyperbole? And
precisely why is it that the Freemasons are responsible? What would the
world be like if there were no Freemasonry? (Compare the 16th and 17th
centuries, with their many religious wars, with the 18th century and the
spread of the Enlightenment, republicanism, and general rationality in
life. Is it a coincidence that Masonry spread in the Western world at
the same time?)
Since the Freemasons have never exceeded 2% of the population of any
country, so far as I know, it is hard to see why even a group of perfect
men could hope to establish an ideal world if the other 98% of the
population remain politically uneducated and prone to choose demagogues
for their leaders over better men.
Roger M. Firestone, 32 KCCH
Newsgroups trimmed to those of possible relevance. There is no UK
politics, or USA/Israeli culture being discussed in this thread. Stop
abusing the net...
Mike Restivo
>
> False prophet exposed, Clinton, Jews, and Freemasons. Klaus Wagner.
>
> Excuse me but is this alt.freemasonry or alt. politics.politicians.politics
> around in a daze due to a head cold or something. Or am I suffering a
> delusional state for taking too many over the counter cold medications?
>
> Past Master Aubrey Brown Sr.
> Eureka Lodge No. 64 F&AM
> Grand Historian MWPHGL of IL
> aubrey...@worldnet.att.net
If you are unable or unwilling to exemplify the moral virtues for which
Freemasonry stands, against Neo-nazis, then get out of the way of men
whose righteousness allows no venue behind which evil works its
propaganda and lies. It must be rebuked immediately, with authority and
relentlessly, else the holocausts of history will be repeated.
I cannot think of a better way to commence the Jewish New Year than by
kicking some Nazi butt! "Never Forget."
"Have courage and fight like Hell, for your enemies are trying to
destroy you." - final message from a father to his son from Auschwitz.
† Mike Restivo
Eugene Goldman.·.
<mtro...@REMOVETHISPARTpathcom.com> wrote:
*I cannot think of a better way to commence the Jewish New Year than by
*kicking some Nazi butt!
I can, in meditation and prayer. I guess we each seek our own interests.
|O| Be well. Travel with a light heart.
And in case I don't see ya' - Good Afternoon, Good Evening and Good Night!
Who said that?
Brother Gene .*.
http://www.blackmountainlodge.net
Every day spent practicing Brotherly Love, Relief, Truth, Faith, Hope, Charity, Tolerance, Temprence, Fortitude, Prudence and Justice is a GOOD day.
Kurt
> suffering a
> delusional state for taking too many over the counter cold medications?
>
>
> You just walk around in a daze, admit it! But, if you really want to get well,
> get a bottle of Nyquil on your night off, drink the whole thing you won't care
> if you have a cold or not.;)
>
> Jana
Yeah, and after you drink the whole bottle, you can set fire to
your own sweat!
Kurt
JRuble
>Subject: Re: Clinton, Jews and Freemasons
>Date: 9/23/98 8:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <19980923204048...@ng151.aol.com>
Whatever you want to do, I never contradict a lady.
But, I smoke it myself, and when it gets into my mouth, it don't taste too
good.
SCOTTY