Is teranews a good server?
Edward Holub
Is there anything I need to know before investing in teranews? Any
hidden costs? Are they trustworthy with credit card information?
Thanks.
Eddie
Mike Easter
> Is there anything I need to know before investing in teranews?
> Any hidden costs? Are they trustworthy with credit card information?
I don't think they are 'trustworthy' -- but you might consider them
'usable' depending on your needs.
The reason they aren't trustworthy is because they misrepresent
themselves. They allege a so-called free service which costs a few
bucks, but which doesn't 'announce' that they are going to put
advertising trailers on all of your posts.
The reason they are usable and appeal to some people is because it is
not a bad deal if you use it according to that result. That is, you
have unlimited uploads and you have unlimited days of 50meg/day
download, both of which are definitely worth something.
The reason they aren't all that usable is because the service is
sometimes erratic or suboptimal.
If I were going to invest a few bucks in something and I were just a
text up and down user, I would 'contribute' it toward a more reliable
service which has a non-expiring block, such as octanews or others with
nonexpiring blocks. If I were going to be uploading text, I definitely
wouldn't use free.teranews because of the ugly abusive trailer.
If I wanted to just upload binaries, I might consider it. If I were
going to be downloading much binaries, I would be needing more gigs and
better gigs.
--
Mike Easter
terrable
"Edward Holub" <edwar...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:SJR5g.64637$_S7....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. As I paid exactly zero years
ago it has been well worth it. They have never abused my credit card info.
*** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***
MartinS
> Edward Holub wrote:
>
>> Is there anything I need to know before investing in teranews?
>> Any hidden costs? Are they trustworthy with credit card information?
>
> I don't think they are 'trustworthy' -- but you might consider them
> 'usable' depending on your needs.
<Rant snipped>
They've changed the message, though I'm sure you still won't like it.
--
Martin S.
MartinS
> "Edward Holub" <edwar...@sbcglobal.net> wrote...
>> Hey folks,
>> Is there anything I need to know before investing in teranews?
>> Any hidden costs? Are they trustworthy with credit card information?
>> Thanks.
>> Eddie
>
> Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. As I paid exactly zero
> years ago it has been well worth it. They have never abused my credit
> card info.
Same here, and I've never heard any reports of credit card problems.
--
Martin S.
Vanguard
news:44581450$0$29243$8826...@free.teranews.com...
Yes, they did. After denying that they append the spam signature, they
now have shortened it to a one-liner yet they still can't manage to add
the sigdash delimiter (if not already present) to actually put it in a
signature. Bet they still deny adding it, though.
TeraNews Support
> Edward Holub wrote:
>
>> Is there anything I need to know before investing in teranews?
>> Any hidden costs? Are they trustworthy with credit card information?
>
> bucks, but which doesn't 'announce' that they are going to put
> advertising trailers on all of your posts.
It's a free account for life and you complain about little credit line at
the END of the message? Do you complain about the google/yahoo/hotmail
tags at the end of all their email messages too? If you don't like it BUY
an account and it's not there. Free account for you == free advertising
for us.
> The reason they aren't all that usable is because the service is
> sometimes erratic or suboptimal.
It's our beta test server. It's how we keep the production servers so
reliable. We test stuff out on the free servers first.
TN
TeraNews.com Support.
Vanguard
news:4458d136$0$13472$8826...@news-taz.teranews.com...
> On Tue, 02 May 2006 23:31:13 +0000, Mike Easter wrote:
>
>> Edward Holub wrote:
>>
>>> Is there anything I need to know before investing in teranews?
>>> Any hidden costs? Are they trustworthy with credit card
>>> information?
>>
>> bucks, but which doesn't 'announce' that they are going to put
>> advertising trailers on all of your posts.
>
> It's a free account for life and you complain about little credit line
> at
> the END of the message? Do you complain about the google/yahoo/hotmail
> tags at the end of all their email messages too? If you don't like it
> BUY
> an account and it's not there. Free account for you == free
> advertising
> for us.
BUT THAT FACT IS NOT ANNOUNCED ON YOUR WEB SITE. It's called lying.
You even lie when directly asked if you append the spam signature. You
claimed no knowledge of the spam signature.
>> The reason they aren't all that usable is because the service is
>> sometimes erratic or suboptimal.
>
> It's our beta test server. It's how we keep the production servers so
> reliable. We test stuff out on the free servers first.
Yep, another unannounced lie. That fact is also never mentioned on your
web site. So you lie (by not announcing) that you will turn your users
posts into spam. You lie to them (by not announcing) that they are
using a beta server rather than what you profess to be offering them. A
"free" server does NOT equate to a "beta" server unless that fact is
actually mentioned.
You want to get free testers of your free beta server and you still want
them to spam for you? Uh huh. You aren't just asking for your
customers to be your spam affiliates. You also want them to test and
load your beta server. So your customers who pay you a signup fee (no
refunds but they'll gladly and without notification cancel your account)
for the "privilege" of testing and spamming for Teranews are doing
double dootie. Spammers always find excuses for their actions.
Make a decision. Have your customers be testers of your beta server.
Beta testers do not also become your involuntary spammers. No other
beta software or service that I've used required me to spam for that
software or service - because my testing was the exchange for reduced or
no cost. Or have them be INFORMED voluntary spam affiliates. You want
them to be beta testers AND spammers.
Asterix
Teranews is notorious for cancelling memberships if you complain.
By the way, charging $3.95 is FRAUD in many countries, since it is NOT
FREE!!
Flying Rat
>
> Yep, another unannounced lie. That fact is also never mentioned on your
> web site. So you lie (by not announcing) that you will turn your users
> posts into spam. You lie to them (by not announcing) that they are
> using a beta server rather than what you profess to be offering them. A
> "free" server does NOT equate to a "beta" server unless that fact is
> actually mentioned.
>
How is something not said a lie, you stupid fuck? A lie is a falsehood
spoken or written.
Or are you now trying to rewrite the English language as well as being a
complete jerkoff?
You are getting close to a Kook award...in fact I feel a nomination
coming on.
FR
Flying Rat
> Teranews is notorious for cancelling memberships if you complain.
>
> By the way, charging $3.95 is FRAUD in many countries, since it is NOT
> FREE!!
>
tera charge $3.95 as a one-off registration fee and use of the service
is free of charge afterwards. Is that too complicated for you?
Don't make allegations you cannot substantiate, such as accusing
Teranews of fraud when the only fraud round here is you pretending to be
intelligent
FR
Flying Rat
Far Canal says...
> Vanguard wrote
> & fries you can scoff and gallons of ice cream & sugar free pop to wash
> them down with.
>
what else do you expect from a halfwit Comcast cableboi?
> Until then, please be fucking off or shutting up.
if only he would...definite kook award coming on. He can join the
Unitard as an award winner.
FR
Vanguard
news:tamh52lhqffjo0140...@4ax.com...
>
> Teranews is notorious for cancelling memberships if you complain.
Yep, that's my personal experience. However, to be accurate, I asked
them to terminate my account but they also promised to refund my signup
fee. Yes, it's a piddly amount but how many customers would also
complain at the grocery store if the clerk handed them the wrong amount
of change? They lied about the quality of their service. They lied
about what service they provide (as in never mentioning the spam
signature). They lied to me directly by claiming no knowledge of the
spam signature when they replied (only once and never thereafter). They
steal by not refunding any charges made for their misrepresented
service. They are highly untrustworthy.
> By the way, charging $3.95 is FRAUD in many countries, since it is NOT
> FREE!!
I understood the professed need to charge a signup fee. Hopefully it
was to eliminate abuse (by malcontents or spammers) of their free
server. I don't bother to track all Teranews-sourced posts along with
recording their history before and after when they started requiring the
signup fee so I don't know if the signup fee was effective to eliminate
malcontents, trolls, and spammers. Yet they have become the spammer
that their signup fee was supposedly meant to eliminate.
Vanguard
download from their spamming free server, you get a decent service (not
that reliable but far better than the other freebies). I don't recall
how many binaries their free server carries since that wasn't my area of
interest. There isn't much point to downloading from the text-only
discussion groups because participating in the discussion means
uploading and that means you spam Usenet. So you could use the 50MB/day
quota to download from their free server and not end up spamming for
them. However, I have no interest in downloading files from Usenet so
downloads (to get posts) and uploads (to submit posts) are of equal
value to me. I suppose pimps and pushers have some good points, too, if
you can manage to isolate those behaviors are that good, but then I'm
really not interested in supporting their good behavior to only support
their bad behavior, too.
Downloading would be okay from the free Teranews server since that would
not result in spamming the newsgroups with their promotional signature.
However, it is unlikely that someone using the free, oops, beta Teranews
server would not also use it to upload their posts to it (and then end
up being Teranews' spam affiliates).
Alan Connor
phlatArse <phla...@0lympic.icons.ret> wrote:
>
> "Vanguard" <vangua...@yahooNIX.com>, had a double lot of diarrhea to
> piss in::
>
>
> MiD: <_9ydnfAfd8jJysTZ...@comcast.com>
> >Yep, that's my personal experience. However, to be accurate, I asked
> >them to terminate my account but they also promised to refund my signup
> >
> You are not on a roll but a loop:-]
> You have a habit of publishing invention?<rhetorical>
>
> >xxxx. However, I have no interest in downloading files from Usenet xxx
> >
> Only interested in making a total phucking Goose of yourself, annoying the
> shite out of others in the process. SPAM ...IMVFHO.
>
> Like I said before (and you flaming well never did say), whatever it is U R
> the vanguard for, I don't believe I want <weg>
>
> /´¯/)
> /¯ /
> / /
> /´¯`/' '/´¯¯`·¸
> /'/ / / /¨ /¯\
> ('( ´ ´ ¯./' ')
> \ ' /
> '\' \ _.·´
> \ (
> . \ \ Git that upYa
>
>
> [sig deleted]
Shut up, bitch.
TeraNews Support
> Asterix wrote
>> Teranews is notorious for cancelling memberships if you complain.
>
> Are they? Like to provide some proof?
If someone signs up, even on the 50MB free account, and they can't use it
(normally because of their own error), we'll refund the fee and cancel it.
We try to help the user, but sometimes we can't and in that case we give
them their money back. He's taking something good and twisting it into
same evil master plan to cancel and refund all our users. Ya, like we
really like to pay the 13% to process a credit card and then pay another
13% to refund it.
>
>>
>> By the way, charging $3.95 is FRAUD in many countries, since it is NOT
>> FREE!!
>>
>
> The only country that matters here is the US, your agreement falls at
> the first hurdle. The $4 is a setup charge, used to confirm the account
> has been opened by someone over 18.
>
> Please join Vanguard and be fucking off.
ya, ya, what he said... :)
Yes, we're very clear about the $3.95 setup fee. When you type your
credit card number into our website and it says $3.95 setup fee and
the user clicks OK it's hard to yell fraud.
Fraud would be if you said there would be no fee and we charged you
anyway. Which actually happened by a copycat news server startup a couple
years back. I can't remember the name anymore. Anyone remember it?
TN
TeraNews Support
I'm not sure why keep insisting that we deny adding it, but I will give
you the benefit of doubt and assume you talked to one of the CS reps when
it first happened and they we're aware of it yet. Yes, that is our fault
for not making sure all the CS reps were aware of it, but I really don't
understand why you feel it's such a big deal. After all, you were getting
FREE support on your FREE account and you bitch about a human being made a
tiny mistake. Humans make mistakes and that's the nature of life.
TN
Lenny_Nero
> On Wed, 03 May 2006 08:24:50 -0500, Vanguard wrote:
>
>> "MartinS" <m...@my.place> wrote in message
>> news:44581450$0$29243$8826...@free.teranews.com...
>>> "Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Edward Holub wrote:
[...]
>>
>> Yes, they did. After denying that they append the spam signature, they
>> now have shortened it to a one-liner yet they still can't manage to add
>> the sigdash delimiter (if not already present) to actually put it in a
>> signature. Bet they still deny adding it, though.
>
> I'm not sure why keep insisting that we deny adding it, but I will give
> you the benefit of doubt and assume you talked to one of the CS reps
> when it first happened and they we're aware of it yet. Yes, that is our
> fault for not making sure all the CS reps were aware of it, but I really
> don't understand why you feel it's such a big deal. After all, you were
> getting FREE support on your FREE account and you bitch about a human
> being made a tiny mistake. Humans make mistakes and that's the nature
> of life.
>
> TN
>
I some how dont believe this is a member of tera news support, but if by
some strange chance it is, why dont you follow the signature posting
guidelines for usenet and put a delimiter in front of you advert ?
L.
--
Want to help to keep the best free usenet servers running ?
http://www.readfreenews.com
TeraNews Support
> I some how dont believe this is a member of tera news support, but if by
Why?
> some strange chance it is, why dont you follow the signature posting
> guidelines for usenet and put a delimiter in front of you advert ?
Then you would have two -- lines (ours and our users) and you would
complain about that.
TN
Asterix
WHEN YOU ADVERTISE A SERVICE AS FREE, AND THEN CHARGE $3.95, IN MOST
STATES AND UNDER FEDERAL LAW, THAT IS FRAUD!!!
Free means absolutely without any charge!!
There have been many lawsuits on that point, and perhaps a victim of
teranews should contact the feds, for another prosecution?
Flying Rat
so is making statements like you just made.
>
> Free means absolutely without any charge!!
which they provide. They charge a setup fee, and you are that stupid you
can't understand that is not the same as charging for a service.
> There have been many lawsuits on that point, and perhaps a victim of
> teranews should contact the feds, for another prosecution?
Maybe Teranews should sue your ignorant arse for defamation and damage
to their business by making unfounded allegations of fraud
You really need to shut up. Now.
FR
James E. Morrow
news:MPG.1ec48e644...@news.eclipse.co.uk:
> In article <ekuk52ppa5q10tfes...@4ax.com>, Asterix
> says...
>> On Thu, 04 May 2006 14:27:05 -0400, TeraNews Support
>> <nos...@teranews.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 03 May 2006 08:24:50 -0500, Vanguard wrote:
>> >
>> >> "MartinS" <m...@my.place> wrote in message
>> >> news:44581450$0$29243$8826...@free.teranews.com...
>> >>> "Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote:
>> >>>> Edward Holub wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Is there anything I need to know before investing in
>> >>>>> teranews?
>> >>>>> Any hidden costs? Are they trustworthy with credit card
>> >>>>> information?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I don't think they are 'trustworthy' -- but you might
>> >>>> consider them 'usable' depending on your needs.
>> >>>
>> >>> <Rant snipped>
>> >>>
<Snip>
>> >TN
>> WHEN YOU ADVERTISE A SERVICE AS FREE, AND THEN CHARGE $3.95, IN
>> MOST STATES AND UNDER FEDERAL LAW, THAT IS FRAUD!!!
>
> so is making statements like you just made.
>
>>
>> Free means absolutely without any charge!!
>
> which they provide. They charge a setup fee, and you are that
> stupid you can't understand that is not the same as charging for a
> service.
>
>> There have been many lawsuits on that point, and perhaps a victim
>> of teranews should contact the feds, for another prosecution?
>
> Maybe Teranews should sue your ignorant arse for defamation and
> damage to their business by making unfounded allegations of fraud
>
> You really need to shut up. Now.
>
> FR
>
Fraud by definition requires deception. There is no deception in
Teranews offering an account free after payment of a setup fee. The
terms are clearly stated. Fraud at law is one of the hardest of all
crimes to prove. Taking a word such as "free" out of context would
not constitute fraud. As the courts have long held ad puffery is not
deceptive if a reasonable person would not be confused regarding the
meaning. The terms are transparent and clear.
It is a little hard to claim fraud in the inducment when they collect
the money up front.
--
James E. Morrow
Email to: jamese...@email.com
Asterix
wrote:
>> FR
Most jurisdictions in the USA and Canada have ruled that it IS FRAUD,
to use the word FREE, and then charge a fee in connection with the
supposed free goods or service!!
Promotions on TV have resulted regularly in criminal convictions!
Tax Man
wrote:
>Fraud would be if you said there would be no fee and we charged you
>anyway. Which actually happened by a copycat news server startup a couple
>years back. I can't remember the name anymore. Anyone remember it?
Was it NewzPig?
They charged a bunch of credit cards and disappeared.
Aratzio
<Ast...@roc.usenetexchange.com> transparently proposed:
<sneck>
>Most jurisdictions in the USA and Canada have ruled that it IS FRAUD,
>to use the word FREE, and then charge a fee in connection with the
>supposed free goods or service!!
>
>Promotions on TV have resulted regularly in criminal convictions!
Well you should either file a complaint or shut the fuck up and stop
whining like a little baby.
--
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Asterix
<phlatÅr...@0lympic.icons.ret> wrote:
>Asterix <Ast...@roc.usenetexchange.com>, decreed:
> [..]
>>Most jurisdictions in the USA and Canada have ruled that it IS FRAUD,
>>to use the word FREE, and then charge a fee in connection with the
>>supposed free goods or service!!
>>
>>Promotions on TV have resulted regularly in criminal convictions!
>>
>Given what you say is true (and somehow I find myself searching for
>confirmation), what about the rest of us?
>[or]
>Are you another one of the opinion that the world ends outside of USA
>territories?
European countries, and even the UK have similar consumer laws
regarding use of the word FREE, to that in the USA.
Criminal fraud charges against TeraNews are being considered while you
read this, which is why their admin staffers have been busy
forging/sporging phony replies to the complaints this past week!
>pA (_+_)
Mozzy
> Hey folks,
> Is there anything I need to know before investing in teranews?
> Any hidden costs? Are they trustworthy with credit card
> information?
> Thanks.
> Eddie
Is Teranews good?
Hey!
Is the Pope protestant?
James E. Morrow
>
>> >Are you another one of the opinion that the world ends outside
>> >of USA territories?
>> European countries, and even the UK have similar consumer laws
>> regarding use of the word FREE, to that in the USA.
>
>
news:445bf822$0$79459$892e...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net:
>
>> Criminal fraud charges against TeraNews are being considered
>
> Pity you can't write it all down, but them rulz about you not
> being allowed pencils with sharp points...
>
>> while you
>> read this, which is why their admin staffers have been busy
>> forging/sporging phony replies to the complaints this past week!
>
> Keep on digging.
The facts would not sustain a civil judgment for fraud. The standard
for criminal fraud is much higher. As the charge of $3.95 is stated
up front there can be no fraud in the inducement. There are no
charges after the setup fee. The terms are exactly as stated. "Free"
is not some magic word to be interpreted without reference to the
context of the remainder of the terms of contract. Remember that
anybody can sue anybody anytime. But it is not likely that such a
cause of action will be sustained. Tera is not deceptive in stating
the terms.
QUOTE
* Due to the overwhelming response to our free account offer and the
costs associated with verifying credit card information we have begun
charging a one time setup fee of $3.95. Their are no recurring
monthly fees with our 50MB/day package.
END QUOTE
I would recommend to Tera that they move this paragraph to the top
of the page. But it is clear and straightforward.
MartinS
> James E. Morrow wrote
>> The facts would not sustain a civil judgment for fraud. The standard
>> for criminal fraud is much higher. As the charge of $3.95 is stated
>> up front there can be no fraud in the inducement. There are no
>> charges after the setup fee. The terms are exactly as stated. "Free"
>> is not some magic word to be interpreted without reference to the
>> context of the remainder of the terms of contract. Remember that
>> anybody can sue anybody anytime. But it is not likely that such a
>> cause of action will be sustained. Tera is not deceptive in stating
>> the terms.
>>
>> QUOTE
>>
>> * Due to the overwhelming response to our free account offer and the
>> costs associated with verifying credit card information we have begun
>> charging a one time setup fee of $3.95. Their are no recurring
>> monthly fees with our 50MB/day package.
>>
>> END QUOTE
>>
>> I would recommend to Tera that they move this paragraph to the top
>> of the page. But it is clear and straightforward.
>
We have numerous TV ads by a self-styled "Video Professor" promoting
"FREE" computer instructional CDs. It's "only" US$10 for P&P.
> The pair of idiots who are making the fuss need to shut the fuck up.
Agreed.
--
Martin S.