Artificial ponds: The Bible proven true!
ReelMcKoi
It turns out that a specific passage from the Gospel of John wasn't a
religious conceit, that is a kind of poetic license John took to prove
a
point. It's true. Now there is proof.
When the sewer line in the Old City of Jerusalem needed repairs in the
fall of 2004, the workmen made a historic discovery: the biblical Pool
of Siloam. The Gospel of John cites this as the place where Jesus cured
the blind man. Theologians have long thought the setting of the pool
was a "religious conceit" used by John to illustrate a point. Turns
out,
the place is real. And it's exactly where John said it is, reports The
Los Angeles Times of a new study published in the Biblical Archaeology
Review.
What's more, it is much grander than anyone ever realized with three
tiers of stone stairs on three sides that allow easy access to the
water.
Each group of steps is separated by narrow landings. The pool is about
225 feet long.
It was here that Jesus, as he was fleeing the Temple, encountered a
blind man. The disciples asked Jesus whether it was the man or his
parents
who had sinned and caused him to be born blind. Jesus replied that
neither had sinned. Instead, the man was born blind so God's work could
be
revealed through him. Jesus then spat in the dust to make mud and
rubbed the man's eyes with it. He told him to wash in the Pool of
Siloam.
After the man washed in the pool, he could see.
The Pool of Siloam is not only a holy site for Christians, but also
Jews. In ancient times, Jews who made their annual pilgrimages to
Jerusalem gathered at this very reservoir. Since Jesus was a Jew it
would have
been natural for him to have gone here, too. Scholars have long said
that the place didn't exist and was just created by John as the setting
for Jesus' miracle when he cured the blind man. A gospel that was
thought to be "pure theology is now shown to be grounded in history,"
New
Testament scholar James H. Charlesworth of the Princeton Theological
Seminary told the L.A. Times.
Less than 200 yards away from this newly-discovered pool that was built
in the 8th century BC by the Judean King Hezekiah is another pool of
water that is also called the Pool of Siloam. This one was built
sometime
between 400 and 460 AD by the Empress Eudocia of Byzantium, who
reconstructed several biblical sites. And just to confuse matters
thoroughly,
there is yet a third Pool of Siloam that predates the one visited by
Jesus; its whereabouts are still unknown.
Hezekiah built the pool to provide a safe water supply to the people of
Jerusalem in case they were attacked by the Assyrians. The workers also
built a tunnel measuring 1,750 feet under the City of David that
connected to the Gihon Spring in the adjacent and less vulnerable
Kidron
Valley. This pool was destroyed in 586 BC by Babylonian King
Nebuchadnezzar, but rebuilt in the 1st century BC before being
destroyed again in 70
AD by Titus, the man who would become the Roman emperor.
Fast forward to the fall of 2004: When the men repairing the sewer line
uncovered two steps, the work stopped so the antiquities' experts could
have a look. They didn't have to look long before they were "100
percent sure it was the Siloam Pool," Eli Shukron of the Israel
Antiquities
Authority told the L.A. Times. How could they be so sure? When the
workmen crafted the steps centuries ago, they buried four coins in the
plaster, all of which date from 103 to 76 BC. In addition, in the soil
in
one corner of the pool, the archaeologists found a dozen coins that
date
from 66 to 70 AD, indicating that the pool was being filled in at that
time.
The tunnel built by Hezekiah is also mentioned twice in the Old
Testament, specifically Kings 20:20 and 2 Chronicles 32:30. The
Associated
Press reports that several years ago, geologists from the Cave Research
Center at Hebrew University in Jerusalem used radiocarbon testing to
analyze the age of stalactite samples from the ceiling of the Siloam
Tunnel
and plant material recovered from its plaster floor. The biblical
record and the tunnel's age have been confirmed, the researchers wrote
in
the journal Nature. The Siloam Tunnel, a popular modern-day tourist
site,
is the one built by King Hezekiah. This is also significant because it
is the first time that a well-identified biblical structure has been
subjected to extensive radiocarbon dating.
Just Mark
There's a Pecos river, there are men named Bill, lassos exist, and
tornadoes are real...ergo Pecos Bill really lassoed and rode a tornado.
Right?
JM
David H.
"ReelMcKoi" <Reel...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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> Gospel of John Passage Proven True
>
<snip>
>... This is also significant because it
> is the first time that a well-identified biblical structure has been
> subjected to extensive radiocarbon dating.
>
I thought that radiocarbon dating was a bunch of hooey to xians,
specially YECers...
David H.
aa #2217
Bill
WAY proves or
substantiates the claim that Jesus cured a blind man. It only establishes
that there was a
pool of Saloam.
If I claim I met a gorgeous blonde in Chicago, the finding of the city of
Chicago does not substantiate my claim of
finding a gorgeous blonde!
"ReelMcKoi" <Reel...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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John Baker
>Gospel of John Passage Proven True
Stick it where the sun don't shine, Jabbers.
ReelMcKoi
on your...
Cracklin' wrote:
> "ReelMcKoi" <Reel...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
> news:1124292408.7...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Gospel of John Passage Proven True
> ===================
> ReelMckoi is *JABRIOL* from alt.religion.jehovahs-witn nymshifting again.
> Set your killfiles accordingly.
> Other names he uses are javriol/usenethemogen/iksgorkon and Zod.
>
> If you must reply to this well known troll please remove irrelevant NGs.
> Thanks. :-)
> --
> CR.........
> "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not
> based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe."
> ~ Carl Sagan ~
> ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~*
Mike Painter
>
> There's a Pecos river, there are men named Bill, lassos exist, and
> tornadoes are real...ergo Pecos Bill really lassoed and rode a
> tornado.
>
> Right?
I know a man named George Washington, and have seen cherry trees, axes, the
Potomac River and silver dollars.
ReelMcKoi
Cracklin' wrote:
> ==================
> And you're not a Jehovah's Witness like ReelMckoi aka JABRIOL aka Zod is
> either. There are thousands of contradictions in the bible but the
> fundamentalists fail to see them - even when shown such contradictions in
> black and white.
>
what contradictions?
And how come your jabriol Killfile created 4U by Maxx is not working?
The Gardners
where Carl Sandburg said it was and if it looked just like he said it
looked, it might suggest to you that "Carl Sandburg" was a real person who
lived in a real city of Chicago - n'cest pas?
"Bill" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Mike Painter
> maybe not ... But if, in the year 2424, you excavated Wrigley Field
> exactly where Carl Sandburg said it was and if it looked just like he
> said it looked, it might suggest to you that "Carl Sandburg" was a
> real person who lived in a real city of Chicago - n'cest pas?
Only if we could find other documents from that period supported the idea
that there was such a person.
If not, like the names of the writers of the NT, we would not accept that
information.
It would also jus support the idea that there was a field and that there was
somebody who mentioned in in conjunction with a story.
Philip Jose Farmer is a real writer and alive today.
New York City exists and the Empire State Building was completed in 1931.
Over 180 other books and several films have dealt with a Dr. Clark Savage
Jr.
They all mention his affiliation with the building.
Does this mean that the *very* well researched and excellent biography of
Clark Savage Jr. is true?
Graham Kennedy
> Gospel of John Passage Proven True
>
Wow, there must be a god after all! Praise Jeebus!
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and author, Daystrom Institute technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
The Gardners
historical figures. BTW, why accept other "documents from that period" in
support of the notion
that a historical person existed? Who knows what bias might infect such
documents?
When you come down to it, we have only the word of a handful of historians
(including tabloid types such as Suetonius) that there a Real Julius Caeser
ever lived. As well as a few coins and inscriptions - all easily faked by
the minions of post-Republican Rome. Many of the historians who praised or
villified Big Julie weren't even his contemporaries.. Nor did they reveal
their primary sources. Most importantly, how could we gauge their personal
or societal biases? Ditto for the historians and other witnesses as to the
existence of Xerxes, the Incas, Nebuchadnezzer, Solon, Lycurgus, Tarquin the
Proud, Mucius Scaevola, Li Po, any of the Shoguns, Brian Boru, Boadicea, any
of the Pharaohs, any Assyrian politician ... well, you get the picture.
For that matter, why trust the historians who depict the legendary figure of
Millard Fillmore? Sure - we have paintings, purported biographies, purported
state documents -- but what really is all of that? We can't interview the
primary sources -- we don't have authenticated videotape -- there are no
affidavits on file.
I don't advocate a credulously ahistorical acceptance of every conceivable
historical figure as Real and True. But I do think that we sink into deep
absurdity when we purport to hold Biblical narratives up to the
pseudo-"objective" standards that we happen to be hot for at the present
moment in the long, long spiritual life of our species.
Don't you agree?
"Mike Painter" <mddotp...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> The Gardners wrote:
> > maybe not ... But if, in the year 2424, you excavated Wrigley Field
> > exactly where Carl Sandburg said it was and if it looked just like he
> > said it looked, it might suggest to you that "Carl Sandburg" was a
> > real person who lived in a real city of Chicago - n'cest pas?
>
> Only if we could find .
Steve Knight
wrote:
>Gospel of John Passage Proven True
>
>It turns out that a specific passage from the Gospel of John wasn't a
>religious conceit, that is a kind of poetic license John took to prove
>a
>point. It's true. Now there is proof.
>
>When the sewer line in the Old City of Jerusalem needed repairs in the
>fall of 2004, the workmen made a historic discovery: the biblical Pool
>of Siloam. The Gospel of John cites this as the place where Jesus cured
>
>the blind man. Theologians have long thought the setting of the pool
>was a "religious conceit" used by John to illustrate a point. Turns
>out,
>the place is real. And it's exactly where John said it is, reports The
>Los Angeles Times of a new study published in the Biblical Archaeology
>Review.
"Scuse me..... The 'Biblical Archaeology Review'.... Isn't that
like Hitler saying, 'What Jews?'
You dimwitted imbeciles are a whorl wind at grasping at any straw
to spread your lies.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
Mike Patterson
recipient list for your endless pointless childish debates?
Most kids learn not to argue with a brick wall by the age of 6, but
you guys just keep droning on and on, forcing the sludge into
off-topic groups
Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody...I should have been more specific..." - Lily Tomlin
towelie
> There's a Pecos river, there are men named Bill, lassos exist, and
> tornadoes are real...ergo Pecos Bill really lassoed and rode a tornado.
>
> Right?
I saw it with my own eyes. Those were some tasty mushrooms...
--
Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning.
A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing.
- Maynard James Keenan
aa #2133
ap #19
towelie
If it favors their view, it's science; if it contradicts their view it's
hooey.
towelie
> Assuming it is true that the real pool of Siloam was discovered this in NO
> WAY proves or
> substantiates the claim that Jesus cured a blind man. It only establishes
> that there was a
> pool of Saloam.
There's a town in Arkansas called Siloam Springs. There is a swimming pool
in the town. Therefore the Bible is true.
zambon...@knowshpamatyahoo.com
wrote:
Truly, you have the mind of a child...bless your little heart. So
sweet, so innocent. Someday, you'll grow up. We hope.
>
>
>"Mike Painter" <mddotp...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:ZNPMe.3331$hF1...@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
>> The Gardners wrote:
>> > maybe not ... But if, in the year 2424, you excavated Wrigley Field
>> > exactly where Carl Sandburg said it was and if it looked just like he
>> > said it looked, it might suggest to you that "Carl Sandburg" was a
>> > real person who lived in a real city of Chicago - n'cest pas?
>>
>> Only if we could find .
>> If not, like the names of the writers of the NT, we would not accept that
>> information.
>> It would also jus support the idea that there was a field and that there
>was
>> somebody who mentioned in in conjunction with a story.
>>
>> Philip Jose Farmer is a real writer and alive today.
>> New York City exists and the Empire State Building was completed in 1931.
>> Over 180 other books and several films have dealt with a Dr. Clark Savage
>> Jr.
>> They all mention his affiliation with the building.
>> Does this mean that the *very* well researched and excellent biography of
>> Clark Savage Jr. is true?
>>
>>
>
--
zamboni #2139
BAAWA Assistant to the Vice-Administrator of Malevolence
EAC Tertiary Adjunct to the Dispenser of Obfuscation.
Javriol
However It won't work for Carol, but it may work for you.
Javriol
> "Mike Patterson" <mikepa...@spamtrapmindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:ctq7g11ds5sclnrlv...@4ax.com...
> > Is there any chance that you children can take rec.ponds off the
> > recipient list for your endless pointless childish debates?
>
> hope that he destroys that NG. He also adds alt.free.newsservers for the
> same reason. It's nothing but mean spirited spitefulness on his part.
> People just hit reply and don't bother to snick the irrelevant NGs. If they
> do he adds them back and calls it Watchtower Society "theocratic warfare
> strategy."
Yawn, same old lies...
>
> > Most kids learn not to argue with a brick wall by the age of 6, but
> > you guys just keep droning on and on, forcing the sludge into
> > off-topic groups
>
> $$ That's because he gets "time credit" on his Watchtower time card for
> proselytizing. It beats going door to door.
> --
Yawn, more lies...
Carol is owned by the Jabriol. She was offered filters to block a
Jabriol thread. But it doesn't work in ARJW, so Jbariol post to
rec.ponds and AFN, where the filter should work.
> CR....
> "Thou seest the mote in thy non-JW brother's eye, but thou seest not the
> beam
> in thine own JW eye. When thou castest the beam out of thine own JW eye,
> then wilt thou see clearly to cast the mote from thy non-JW brother's eye."
> ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ ~~ * ~~
blingolad
wrote:
>Gospel of John Passage Proven True
>
> <snip>
What is all this shite doing in this NG? Haven't been here in a
while, still use biggulp verrrry occasionally but why is this crap
being allowed here without comment as to its OT content? WTF is going
on? I am a Taoist (just kiddijng) and take offence, nah, I am a
secularist, in fact I am an atheist, all this religion shit is just
garbage and fairy tales for those who are afraid of personal
annihilation. Crutches, even, for the weak minded.
Keep this fucking crap off here.
bling
Cracklin'
"blingolad" <ica...@too.high> wrote in message
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It's allowed here because it can't be stopped. The nym-shifting person
doing it is only doing it to annoy a few people he has it in for. Also,
it's allowed because everyone has him and his endless boring religious
threads killfiled so they don't even see them.
CR....
Dubh Ghall
Only when it contradicts what they are trying to prove.
Dubh Ghall
>maybe not ... But if, in the year 2424, you excavated Wrigley Field exactly
>where Carl Sandburg said it was and if it looked just like he said it
>looked, it might suggest to you that "Carl Sandburg" was a real person who
>lived in a real city of Chicago - n'cest pas?
By that argument, Sherlock Holmes was real.