So what do people in Europe think about the United States dominating the
Tour Le France? Lance Armstrong is going to win a record 6th Tour
tomorrow and before that, Greg LeMond was dominant. So in the last 10
years or so, the Tour Le France has been won by a non-American only a
couple of times. Plus the non-American winners were all later convicted
of using performance enhancing drugs (I think).
So just like always, the Unites States is the best in the world. I
would guess that other countries don't like it but they had better start
getting used to it.
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Even if it can't spell its own name ?
Sorry, the unites states, or united states, are as always the best...the
best at being the worst in the world.
Well done !
GS
>Cycling is one of the most popular sports in Europe, second to only
>soccer. Ok, and maybe third behind darts in the UK.
>
>So what do people in Europe think about the United States dominating the
>Tour Le France? Lance Armstrong is going to win a record 6th Tour
>tomorrow and before that, Greg LeMond was dominant. So in the last 10
>years or so, the Tour Le France has been won by a non-American only a
>couple of times. Plus the non-American winners were all later convicted
>of using performance enhancing drugs (I think).
>
>So just like always, the Unites States is the best in the world. I
>would guess that other countries don't like it but they had better start
>getting used to it.
The United States didn't win anything. Lance did. He's the best, not
the country he happened to be born in.
US Postal cycling team = #1 in the world
Gianna Setfani = bitter Euro who points out spelling errors on usenet
>
> Well done !
>
> GS
What team does he ride for?
Regards,
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Plus the drugs that he has used! But never been 'discovered' :-0
So what? Cycling here is about as popular as shit in a swimming pool.
Bit like you really (:
I am not bitter sonny boy, although I may not be able to defend an
accusation of twisted.
US Postal - didn't the US invent the term 'going postal' which means that
you pop into your place of work and kill everyone, perhaps because someone
said you weren't the best in the world ?
Actually yes, that is best ... here have some ammo and this small gun ...
US means UnServiceable or USeless doesn't it.
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> "The Magnificent Bastard" <magnif_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > US Postal cycling team = #1 in the world
> >
> > Gianna Setfani = bitter Euro who points out spelling errors on usenet
>
> So what? Cycling here is about as popular as shit in a swimming pool.
> Bit like you really (:
>
> I am not bitter sonny boy, although I may not be able to defend an
> accusation of twisted.
>
> US Postal - didn't the US invent the term 'going postal' which means that
> you pop into your place of work and kill everyone, perhaps because someone
> said you weren't the best in the world ?
The term "going postal" originated in Australia. Shows how much *you*
know.
>
> Actually yes, that is best ... here have some ammo and this small gun ...
>
> US means UnServiceable or USeless doesn't it.
>
> candy - baby - baby - candy - bored ......
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>On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 23:42:06 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, H. Morgan rubs the
>lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
>whenever it's told -
>
>
>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:36:17 -0500, The Magnificent Bastard
>> <magnif_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Cycling is one of the most popular sports in Europe, second to only
>> >soccer. Ok, and maybe third behind darts in the UK.
>> >
>> >So what do people in Europe think about the United States dominating the
>> >Tour Le France? Lance Armstrong is going to win a record 6th Tour
>> >tomorrow and before that, Greg LeMond was dominant. So in the last 10
>> >years or so, the Tour Le France has been won by a non-American only a
>> >couple of times. Plus the non-American winners were all later convicted
>> >of using performance enhancing drugs (I think).
>> >
>> >So just like always, the Unites States is the best in the world. I
>> >would guess that other countries don't like it but they had better start
>> >getting used to it.
>>
>>
>> The United States didn't win anything. Lance did. He's the best, not
>> the country he happened to be born in.
>
>What team does he ride for?
Who cares? Not relevant.
Why isn't it relevant?
Because he wasn't riding with 200 million Americans.
Is it true Germans were spitting on him during the race?
>
You're not very good at this.
Yes, it's true. People from other countries are very upset that an
American has totally dominated the biggest cycling event in the world.
Is it true Germans spit on Lance during the race?
Go fuck yourself, troll.
>Cycling is one of the most popular sports in Europe, second to only
>soccer. Ok, and maybe third behind darts in the UK.
>
>So what do people in Europe think about the United States dominating the
>Tour Le France? Lance Armstrong is going to win a record 6th Tour
>tomorrow and before that, Greg LeMond was dominant. So in the last 10
>years or so, the Tour Le France has been won by a non-American only a
>couple of times. Plus the non-American winners were all later convicted
>of using performance enhancing drugs (I think).
>
>So just like always, the Unites States is the best in the world. I
>would guess that other countries don't like it but they had better start
>getting used to it.
And you wonder why most of the world hopes terrorism will get the best
of you. It's well on it's way, with the police state you've created.
> Cycling is one of the most popular sports in Europe, second to only
> soccer. Ok, and maybe third behind darts in the UK.
>
> So what do people in Europe think about the United States dominating
> the Tour Le France? Lance Armstrong is going to win a record 6th
> Tour tomorrow and before that, Greg LeMond was dominant. So in the
> last 10 years or so, the Tour Le France has been won by a
> non-American only a couple of times. Plus the non-American winners
> were all later convicted of using performance enhancing drugs (I
> think).
Granted that you're a trolling idiot, but to be an effective trolling
idiot you ought to at least have a cursory aquaintance with the facts.
The best troll is one that is actually correct. Let me introduce you
to the problem with your post: Miguel Indurain, the first winner of
five consecutive Tours (who also won the Giro d'Italia twice, a feat
that Armstrong has not attempted).
BTW, Lemond didn't win a Tour in the past 10 years or so. His last
Tour victory was 14 years ago. So, four non-Americans won the Tour in
the past 10 years. In 20 years (not counting 2004 as it's not over
yet) non-Americans have won the Tour twelve times. "Dominance" really
not the apropos word over the long haul. Armstrong has indeed been
dominant in this one event, arguably the most important event in pro
cycling, but there's a lot more to bike racing and Armstrong has not
been a factor in most of it for years as he has had an exclusive focus
on the Tour. While his doing so is understandable, I don't think it's
good for the sport.
1984: Fignon (France)
1985: Hinault (France)
1986: Lemond (US)
1987: Roche (Ireland)
1988: Delgado (Spain)
1989: Lemond
1990: Lemond
1991: Indurain (Spain)
1992: Indurain
1993: Indurain
1994: Indurain
1995: Indurain
1996: Riis (Denmark)
1997: Ullrich (Germany)
1998: Pantani (Italy)
1999: Armstrong (US)
2000: Armstrong
2001: Armstrong
2002: Armstrong
2003: Armstrong
2004: apparently Armstrong
And it's "le Tour de France" not "Tour Le France," dipstick. I can't
comment on your bastardy, but it's clear that "magnificent" is not
applicable in your case.
> US Postal cycling team = #1 in the world
Are you sure about that? Have you actually checked?
Please, paint with a slightly smaller brush. I voted against King
George the W in 2000 and I'm planning to do it again, unless his
administration does follow through on its threat to impose martial
law and stop the election.
Sorry, Tim. The election will change the course of world events for
the better, hopefully.
J
>Cycling is one of the most popular sports in Europe, second to only
>soccer. Ok, and maybe third behind darts in the UK.
Rugby? Cricket?
>So what do people in Europe think about the United States dominating the
>Tour Le France? Lance Armstrong is going to win a record 6th Tour
>tomorrow and before that, Greg LeMond was dominant. So in the last 10
>years or so, the Tour Le France has been won by a non-American only a
>couple of times. Plus the non-American winners were all later convicted
>of using performance enhancing drugs (I think).
>
>So just like always, the Unites States is the best in the world. I
>would guess that other countries don't like it but they had better start
>getting used to it.
I look forward to the day when the US succeeds in international team
sporting events like football, rugby or cricket. Instead, to become
World champions, the US talks about its world domination in games
which no one else plays, games such as basketball, baseball and
American football.
And why is it called *American* football? It is only played in the
lessor part of the Northern section of the two American continents.
Most American countries play football as it should be played: with
their feet.
Right on. It's the Europeans who made sports (like the Olympics)
nationalistic events. They view them as little bloodless wars of
nationalistic triumph, as tests of which nationality is better. Which
is why European fans must be kept apart so they don't bust each
other's heads over a soccer match.
It's the Europeans who boo athletes and teams from other countries.
And it's almost enough to make one think there is a God: These
unsporting Europeans have to compete against althelets from a nation
of 400,000,000 people. It stands to reason that Americans are going to
win the lion's share of prizes -- not because Americans are better,
but because America is bigger. When do you suppose the Europeans will
get that through their thick heads and stop using sports to support
their delusion that their nationality is best?
Sam
> US Postal - didn't the US invent the term 'going postal' which means that
> you pop into your place of work and kill everyone, perhaps because someone
> said you weren't the best in the world ?
Give the Yanks some credit. They have long had the reputation for being
the world experts at friendly fire.
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This is a rather poor troll, but some facts do need correcting, or else
the less able in society may believe them.
> Cycling is one of the most popular sports in Europe, second to only
> soccer. Ok, and maybe third behind darts in the UK.
3rd? Darts 2nd? Cycling is probably 15th-20th in the UK.Darts isnt a
sport, it's a game played at the pub.I dont think it (cycling) is even 2nd
in mainland Europe, tennis is very popular.
> So what do people in Europe think about the United States dominating the
> Tour Le France?
Err, the US isnt dominating anything, Armstrong is.
> Lance Armstrong is going to win a record 6th Tour
> tomorrow and before that, Greg LeMond was dominant. So in the last 10
> years or so, the Tour Le France has been won by a non-American only a
> couple of times.
Wrong.The list has been shown in another post.
> Plus the non-American winners were all later convicted
> of using performance enhancing drugs (I think).
Wrong.Pantani and Riis were both alleged to have taken drugs, but neither
was proven. Just like the USA's Marion Jones is being accused now in
athletics, as well as a multitude of other track athletes, the majority of
whom are from the USA.
> So just like always, the Unites States is the best in the world. I
> would guess that other countries don't like it but they had better start
> getting used to it.
Err, no, what about the green/white and polka jerseys in the tour?
In your logic, we'll now be seeing US riders winnning all of the spring
and autumn classics, the World title, as well as the Olympics this year.I
dont think a US rider will win anything else this year, apart from,
possibly, the individual Time Trial in the Olympics.
Alan.
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Let's compare the Sydney 2000 medal table for the EU with the US.
Gold Silver Bronze
USA 39 25 33
EU 82 82 69
And how about comparing similar populations?
Holland, Italy, Germany, UK and France (HIGUF) have a similar
population to the USA (271.3 million compared with 281.4 million for
the USA).
Gold Silver Bronze Total
USA 39 25 33 97
HIGUF 63 58 61 182
So HIGUF are nearly twice as good at Olympic sports than the USA.
We in France are so happy with Lance.
Thanks to him Paris and interior of France are full of Tourists.
Mainly from the USA - It is enough to see how many American Flags along the
roads.
France at TV for more than 8 millions American citizens per day during 3
weeks.
Figures :
Media
* 1,200 accredited journalists
* 1,000 technicians or chauffeurs
* 370 press titles or agencies
* 70 local or national radio stations
* 15 million spectators lining the roads
* 2 billion TV contacts
* 75 channels broadcasting the race (21 live)
* 170 broadcasting countries
* 2,400 hours of TV programs
Not only France don't pay for this marketing operation, but the US TV pay
for to show my country.
As an angry US moron asked recently in French Forum :
"Why, this year, is the Tour de France ..... in France" ? : )
Because it's played by the only part of the American continents that matter.
>> And it's almost enough to make one think there is a God: These
>> unsporting Europeans have to compete against althelets from a nation
>> of 400,000,000 people. It stands to reason that Americans are going
>> to
>> win the lion's share of prizes -- not because Americans are better,
>> but because America is bigger. When do you suppose the Europeans will
>> get that through their thick heads and stop using sports to support
>> their delusion that their nationality is best?
>
> Let's compare the Sydney 2000 medal table for the EU with the US.
>
> Gold Silver Bronze
> USA 39 25 33
> EU 82 82 69
>
> And how about comparing similar populations?
>
> Holland, Italy, Germany, UK and France (HIGUF) have a similar
> population to the USA (271.3 million compared with 281.4 million for
> the USA).
>
> Gold Silver Bronze Total
> USA 39 25 33 97
> HIGUF 63 58 61 182
>
> So HIGUF are nearly twice as good at Olympic sports than the USA.
I'll tell you what. Restrict HIGUF to one team, just like the US, and see
how it goes. You can get twice as many medals by flooding us with five
times as many athelets (more, in the case of the EU vs the US).
I think that makes the case for US primacy right there.
No problem. Shall we set a limit of 200 athletes?
I select 182 athletes in my hypothetical team. 63 win gold in Sydney,
58 win silver and 61 win bronze.
Which athletes do you select?
Does it make any difference to the USA's medal tally?
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> Cycling is one of the most popular sports in Europe, second to only
> soccer. Ok, and maybe third behind darts in the UK.
Bwahahahaha... Yeah so true. I mean, cycling is what it's all about... We
just lurrve cycling.
I guess the math is just lost on you. Europe, as a whole, sends more
athletes than the US does. As does HIGUF. If you restrict them to the same
number of athletes as the US sends, the medal count would be quite
different. Likewise, if you allow the US to send as many as Europe sends,
the medal count will, again, be different. If we want to look at it your
way, Europe is spamming the olympics.
Right, some idiot sports fan talking smack in the style of idiot sports fans the
world around is obviously justification for bloodshed and murder.
Ron
You seem very angry, H. Morgan.
You'll probably vote for Nader or some other kook candidate, which in
effect, is a vote for Bush.
But you probably don't realize that.
I rest my case.
> The Magnificent Bastard <magnif_...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > US Postal cycling team = #1 in the world
>
> Are you sure about that? Have you actually checked?
Yes. To both.
Who gives a flying "F" about sailing? It's not even really a sport, is
it?
>
> J
So what do you propose? A limit based on size of population for the
number of athletes a nation may send to the Olympics?
Each sport has its own federation which sets standards for selection.
There is no upper bound on the number of competitors from any one
nation so long as the competitors meet the standards. In certain
circumstances the standards may be lowered - as in the case of some
members of the Afghan Team.
> > And it's "le Tour de France" not "Tour Le France," dipstick. I can't
> > comment on your bastardy, but it's clear that "magnificent" is not
> > applicable in your case.
>
> www.tourlefrance.com
>
> I rest my case.
You actually think putting a link to that addy will impress ???
Idiot !!!
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:36:17 -0500, The Magnificent Bastard
> <magnif_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Cycling is one of the most popular sports in Europe, second to only
> >soccer. Ok, and maybe third behind darts in the UK.
>
> Rugby? Cricket?
Yes? What about them?
>
> >So what do people in Europe think about the United States dominating the
> >Tour Le France? Lance Armstrong is going to win a record 6th Tour
> >tomorrow and before that, Greg LeMond was dominant. So in the last 10
> >years or so, the Tour Le France has been won by a non-American only a
> >couple of times. Plus the non-American winners were all later convicted
> >of using performance enhancing drugs (I think).
> >
> >So just like always, the Unites States is the best in the world. I
> >would guess that other countries don't like it but they had better start
> >getting used to it.
>
> I look forward to the day when the US succeeds in international team
> sporting events like football, rugby or cricket. Instead, to become
> World champions, the US talks about its world domination in games
> which no one else plays, games such as basketball, baseball and
> American football.
Who actually plays cricket? Seriously.
> And why is it called *American* football? It is only played in the
> lessor part of the Northern section of the two American continents.
> Most American countries play football as it should be played: with
> their feet.
We don't call it *American* football. We just call it football, because
that's what it is. We can't help it if other parts of the world are so
dumb that they call soccer "football".
> H. Morgan <sh...@piratecove.com> wrote in message news:<6us5g0pupe132k9lt...@4ax.com>...
> > On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:36:17 -0500, The Magnificent Bastard
> > <magnif_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > The United States didn't win anything. Lance did. He's the best, not
> > the country he happened to be born in.
>
> Right on. It's the Europeans who made sports (like the Olympics)
> nationalistic events. They view them as little bloodless wars of
> nationalistic triumph, as tests of which nationality is better. Which
> is why European fans must be kept apart so they don't bust each
> other's heads over a soccer match.
I thought they had to be kept apart because they were mostly drunk and
stupid.
>
> It's the Europeans who boo athletes and teams from other countries.
>
> And it's almost enough to make one think there is a God: These
> unsporting Europeans have to compete against althelets from a nation
> of 400,000,000 people. It stands to reason that Americans are going to
> win the lion's share of prizes -- not because Americans are better,
> but because America is bigger. When do you suppose the Europeans will
> get that through their thick heads and stop using sports to support
> their delusion that their nationality is best?
>
> Sam
>
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> On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:36:17 -0500, The Magnificent Bastard wrote:
>
> This is a rather poor troll,
If it's a poor troll, then why did you respond?
> but some facts do need correcting, or else
> the less able in society may believe them.
>
> > Cycling is one of the most popular sports in Europe, second to only
> > soccer. Ok, and maybe third behind darts in the UK.
>
> 3rd? Darts 2nd? Cycling is probably 15th-20th in the UK.Darts isnt a
> sport, it's a game played at the pub.I dont think it (cycling) is even 2nd
> in mainland Europe, tennis is very popular.
>
> > So what do people in Europe think about the United States dominating the
> > Tour Le France?
>
> Err, the US isnt dominating anything, Armstrong is.
Err, Armstrong rides for the US POSTAL TEAM.
>
> > Lance Armstrong is going to win a record 6th Tour
> > tomorrow and before that, Greg LeMond was dominant. So in the last 10
> > years or so, the Tour Le France has been won by a non-American only a
> > couple of times.
>
> Wrong.The list has been shown in another post.
The list was incorrect. But even if it was correct, 2 of the top 3
riders of the past 15 - 20 years are American.
>
> > Plus the non-American winners were all later convicted
> > of using performance enhancing drugs (I think).
>
> Wrong.Pantani and Riis were both alleged to have taken drugs, but neither
> was proven.
No a couple of them were actually caught. Didn't Pantani commit suicide
over it?
> Just like the USA's Marion Jones is being accused now in
> athletics, as well as a multitude of other track athletes, the majority of
> whom are from the USA.
Those accusations are racist and baseless.
>
> > So just like always, the Unites States is the best in the world. I
> > would guess that other countries don't like it but they had better start
> > getting used to it.
>
> Err, no, what about the green/white and polka jerseys in the tour?
> In your logic, we'll now be seeing US riders winnning all of the spring
> and autumn classics, the World title, as well as the Olympics this year.I
> dont think a US rider will win anything else this year, apart from,
> possibly, the individual Time Trial in the Olympics.
Any cyclist who wins any spring or autumn classic would *gladly* give up
that title to win the Tour Le France. You don't seem to know much about
cycling.
You should stick to darts.
> Alan.
It proves my point.
>
> Idiot !!!
Why are you Euros so angry about Lance winning?
U been bitch-slapped
Yeah, I bitch-slapped him good, didn't I?
NO NO. He done bitch-slapped you!!
You gonna take that? Go after that euro-puss.
Englsih fags thats hoo.
>
>
> > And why is it called *American* football? It is only played in the
> > lessor part of the Northern section of the two American continents.
> > Most American countries play football as it should be played: with
> > their feet.
>
> We don't call it *American* football. We just call it football, because
> that's what it is. We can't help it if other parts of the world are so
> dumb that they call soccer "football".
Right on.Soccer is for 13 year old girls.
To be fair its not only genetic problems. They also can't ride very far in
any direction without going over a cliff into the ocean.
>Is it true Germans spit on Lance during the race?
no.
No American will buy frog products after Lance bitch-slaps you once again.
Why buy a losing french product?
Vive le Bush!!!!! Vive le Bush!!!!! Vive le Bush!!!!!
posted from frenchie land no doubt!!!!
>
> "The Magnificent Bastard" <magnif_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1b6da923b...@news.alt.net...
> > On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:23:45 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Woody Pecker rubs
> > the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
> > whenever it's told -
> >
> >
> > > > > And it's "le Tour de France" not "Tour Le France," dipstick. I
> can't
> > > > > comment on your bastardy, but it's clear that "magnificent" is not
> > > > > applicable in your case.
> > > >
> > > > www.tourlefrance.com
> > > >
> > > > I rest my case.
> > > > Magnificent Bastard Productions 2004 ©
> > >
> > > U been bitch-slapped
> >
> > Yeah, I bitch-slapped him good, didn't I?
>
> NO NO. He done bitch-slapped you!!
No, you're mistaken.
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/feature/featureStory?page=tourdefrance04#
Eurotards = 0 \/\/ N 3 |)
You are in de nile. What would Lance think of you laying down like this
after a bitch-slap from a euro-woos !!!!
W. Pecker
Only in the stands and the streets and bars within a ten mile radius.
You're killing my buzz.
>
> W. Pecker
Your buzz is GONE dude. Look at this troll thread of yours. Its into
oblivion.
>> I guess the math is just lost on you. Europe, as a whole, sends more
>> athletes than the US does. As does HIGUF. If you restrict them to
>> the same number of athletes as the US sends, the medal count would
>> be quite different. Likewise, if you allow the US to send as many
>> as Europe sends, the medal count will, again, be different. If we
>> want to look at it your way, Europe is spamming the olympics.
>
> So what do you propose? A limit based on size of population for the
> number of athletes a nation may send to the Olympics?
I suggest you don't draw conclusions the facts don't warrent.
>> Right on.Soccer is for 13 year old girls.
>>
>
> Not quite. It's a very dangerous sport when British fans are present.
Gives new meaning to "spectator sport."
>> We don't call it *American* football. We just call it football,
>> because that's what it is. We can't help it if other parts of the
>> world are so dumb that they call soccer "football".
>
> Right on.Soccer is for 13 year old girls.
You keep thinking that. In the mean time, I'll just keep drooling over Mia
Hamm.
>On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 03:42:21 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, H. Morgan rubs the
>lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
>whenever it's told -
>
>
>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:36:17 -0500, The Magnificent Bastard
>> <magnif_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Cycling is one of the most popular sports in Europe, second to only
>> >soccer. Ok, and maybe third behind darts in the UK.
>> >
>> >So what do people in Europe think about the United States dominating the
>> >Tour Le France? Lance Armstrong is going to win a record 6th Tour
>> >tomorrow and before that, Greg LeMond was dominant. So in the last 10
>> >years or so, the Tour Le France has been won by a non-American only a
>> >couple of times. Plus the non-American winners were all later convicted
>> >of using performance enhancing drugs (I think).
>> >
>> >So just like always, the Unites States is the best in the world. I
>> >would guess that other countries don't like it but they had better start
>> >getting used to it.
>>
>>
>> And you wonder why most of the world hopes terrorism will get the best
>> of you. It's well on it's way, with the police state you've created.
>
>You seem very angry, H. Morgan.
>
Not angry, but I have to laugh when I watch any US news. Your nation
is terrified of everything (thanks to the idiot you have running you).
Which, of course, is the purpose of terrorism.
>On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:42:33 +0100, in alt.tv.sopranos, A.Lee rubs the
>lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
>whenever it's told -
>
>
>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:36:17 -0500, The Magnificent Bastard wrote:
>>
>> This is a rather poor troll,
>
>If it's a poor troll, then why did you respond?
>
>> but some facts do need correcting, or else
>> the less able in society may believe them.
>>
>> > Cycling is one of the most popular sports in Europe, second to only
>> > soccer. Ok, and maybe third behind darts in the UK.
>>
>> 3rd? Darts 2nd? Cycling is probably 15th-20th in the UK.Darts isnt a
>> sport, it's a game played at the pub.I dont think it (cycling) is even 2nd
>> in mainland Europe, tennis is very popular.
>>
>> > So what do people in Europe think about the United States dominating the
>> > Tour Le France?
>>
>> Err, the US isnt dominating anything, Armstrong is.
>
>Err, Armstrong rides for the US POSTAL TEAM.
Which, next year, wont be called US anything, as they will have a new
sponsor.
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:16:17 -0500, The Magnificent Bastard
> <magnif_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:42:33 +0100, in alt.tv.sopranos, A.Lee rubs the
> >lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
> >whenever it's told -
> >
> >
> >> On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:36:17 -0500, The Magnificent Bastard wrote:
> >>
> >> This is a rather poor troll,
> >
> >If it's a poor troll, then why did you respond?
> >
> >> but some facts do need correcting, or else
> >> the less able in society may believe them.
> >>
> >> > Cycling is one of the most popular sports in Europe, second to only
> >> > soccer. Ok, and maybe third behind darts in the UK.
> >>
> >> 3rd? Darts 2nd? Cycling is probably 15th-20th in the UK.Darts isnt a
> >> sport, it's a game played at the pub.I dont think it (cycling) is even 2nd
> >> in mainland Europe, tennis is very popular.
> >>
> >> > So what do people in Europe think about the United States dominating the
> >> > Tour Le France?
> >>
> >> Err, the US isnt dominating anything, Armstrong is.
> >
> >Err, Armstrong rides for the US POSTAL TEAM.
>
> Which, next year, wont be called US anything, as they will have a new
> sponsor.
But he'll still be from the United States.
You find terrorism funny?
You're a sick person.
I seem to be the only person actually posting facts. Perhaps you'd
care to join this exclusive club.
The charge was levelled that the US has better sportsmen simply
because the greatest cyclist the World has ever known in from the US.
I disproved this argument by showing that in a European population
sample more or less equal to the US's population, there were nearly
double the number of medal winners.
My proof was questioned on the basis that the European team would be
bigger than the US team.
I countered this attempt at a disproof by arguing that the best
sportsmen would always be selected, and that there is no limit on a
team size anyway.
Where are my conclusions, drawn from the facts wrong?
Alteratively you could agree that you've lost the argument, and that
way you get to have the final say.
If you think there isn't a limit on team size, then you obviously don't
know what you're talking about.
>
> Where are my conclusions, drawn from the facts wrong?
>
> Alteratively you could agree that you've lost the argument, and that
> way you get to have the final say.
>
--
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 00:04:12 -0500, Tim McNamara
> <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
>>H. Morgan <sh...@piratecove.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:36:17 -0500, The Magnificent Bastard
>>> <magnif_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>So just like always, the Unites States is the best in the world.
>>>>I would guess that other countries don't like it but they had
>>>>better start getting used to it.
>>>
>>> And you wonder why most of the world hopes terrorism will get the
>>> best of you. It's well on it's way, with the police state you've
>>> created.
>>
>>Please, paint with a slightly smaller brush. I voted against King
>>George the W in 2000 and I'm planning to do it again, unless his
>>administration does follow through on its threat to impose martial
>>law and stop the election.
>
> Sorry, Tim. The election will change the course of world events for
> the better, hopefully.
One can only hope! Another four years of King George, and America may
never recover from the fiscal insanity of this Administration. The
monumental errors perpetrated in the past four years under the guise
of "policy" beggar belief.
On the up, side, though, more people seem to be riding bikes around
here. I see more people riding bikes to work, out on the trails, and
around town in general. The racing scene is pretty lively and there
are a number of good efforts to get young 'uns involved in the sport.
We had six of us on a 100 mile/160 km ride today and only got yelled
at once. That's pretty good by American standards.
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 00:04:12 -0500, in alt.tv.sopranos, Tim McNamara
> rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It
> does this whenever it's told -
>
>> H. Morgan <sh...@piratecove.com> writes:
>>
>> > On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:36:17 -0500, The Magnificent Bastard
>> > <magnif_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>So just like always, the Unites States is the best in the world.
>> >>I would guess that other countries don't like it but they had
>> >>better start getting used to it.
>> >
>> > And you wonder why most of the world hopes terrorism will get the
>> > best of you. It's well on it's way, with the police state you've
>> > created.
>>
>> Please, paint with a slightly smaller brush. I voted against King
>> George the W in 2000 and I'm planning to do it again, unless his
>> administration does follow through on its threat to impose martial
>> law and stop the election.
>
> You'll probably vote for Nader or some other kook candidate, which
> in effect, is a vote for Bush.
>
> But you probably don't realize that.
Good grief, Twinkletoes, is *that* the best repartee you can come up
with? And you're telling other people they aren't very good at this?
You suck at it!
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:44:52 -0700, in alt.tv.sopranos, Juice rubs
> the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does
> this whenever it's told -
>
>
>> The Magnificent Bastard wrote:
>> >
>> > So just like always, the Unites States is the best in the world.
>> > I would guess that other countries don't like it but they had
>> > better start getting used to it.
>> >
>> But on the other shoe we cant get the Americas Cup back.
>
> Who gives a flying "F" about sailing? It's not even really a sport,
> is it?
More of a sport than golf or driving a car in circles for three hours.
Now you've hurt my feelings.
> And it's almost enough to make one think there is a God: These
> unsporting Europeans have to compete against althelets from a nation
> of 400,000,000 people. It stands to reason that Americans are going
> to win the lion's share of prizes -- not because Americans are
> better, but because America is bigger.
By that standard, then, China and India ought to kick America's butt
in the upcoming Olympics.
> When do you suppose the Europeans will get that through their thick
> heads and stop using sports to support their delusion that their
> nationality is best?
About the same time that Americans figure it out.
> The Magnificent Bastard <magnif_...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:44:52 -0700, in alt.tv.sopranos, Juice rubs
> > the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does
> > this whenever it's told -
> >
> >
> >> The Magnificent Bastard wrote:
> >> >
> >> > So just like always, the Unites States is the best in the world.
> >> > I would guess that other countries don't like it but they had
> >> > better start getting used to it.
> >> >
> >> But on the other shoe we cant get the Americas Cup back.
> >
> > Who gives a flying "F" about sailing? It's not even really a sport,
> > is it?
>
> More of a sport than golf or driving a car in circles for three hours.
But Americans are the best at golf and autoracing.
So what's your point?
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:42:33 +0100, in alt.tv.sopranos, A.Lee rubs
> the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does
> this whenever it's told -
>
>
>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:36:17 -0500, The Magnificent Bastard wrote:
>>
>> > So what do people in Europe think about the United States
>> > dominating the Tour Le France?
>>
>> Err, the US isnt dominating anything, Armstrong is.
>
> Err, Armstrong rides for the US POSTAL TEAM.
Yes. And half or more of his teammates aren't American- without whome
Armstrong coul dnot have won the Tour. It's not an American team,
dude.
>>
>> > Lance Armstrong is going to win a record 6th Tour tomorrow and
>> > before that, Greg LeMond was dominant. So in the last 10 years
>> > or so, the Tour Le France has been won by a non-American only a
>> > couple of times.
>>
>> Wrong.The list has been shown in another post.
>
> The list was incorrect. But even if it was correct, 2 of the top 3
> riders of the past 15 - 20 years are American.
The list is correct. And easily verified. Your "two of the top three
riders" comment merely shows your ignorance about the sport.
>> > Plus the non-American winners were all later convicted of using
>> > performance enhancing drugs (I think).
Indurain was never "convicted" of using performance enhancing drugs.
He did test positive for an inhaler (salbutamol) for asthma once,
which is a banned substance if not being used for treating a medical
condition.
>> Wrong.Pantani and Riis were both alleged to have taken drugs, but
>> neither was proven.
Just as Armstrong has been alleged to have taken performance enhancing
drugs, and also Lemond.
> No a couple of them were actually caught. Didn't Pantani commit
> suicide over it?
Pantani OD'd on cocaine, IIRC, following several years of psychiatric
problems.
>> Just like the USA's Marion Jones is being accused now in athletics,
>> as well as a multitude of other track athletes, the majority of
>> whom are from the USA.
>
> Those accusations are racist and baseless.
Because it's an American being accused? Are you stupid enough to
think that Americans don't dope? Or perhaps you think
African-Americans don't dope.
The U.S. is the single largest market for legal and illegal drugs in
the world. It's part of our culture. Why did Jones's husband miss
the last Summer Olympics?
> Any cyclist who wins any spring or autumn classic would *gladly*
> give up that title to win the Tour Le France. You don't seem to
> know much about cycling.
The Tour de France is actually the one cyclists dream of winning. And
would "any" of those riders give up a Classic to win the Tour? many
would, since the Tour is indeed the most disproportionately important
race in pro cycling. Personally, I prefer the Classics to the Tour
but that's just a matter of taste. The Tour is garish and tacky,
which is probably why Americans like it. France and the U.S. have a
lot in common (ooh, I've just insulted both of them).
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:20:11 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, H. Morgan rubs
> the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does
> this whenever it's told -
>
>> >> Err, the US isnt dominating anything, Armstrong is.
>> >
>> >Err, Armstrong rides for the US POSTAL TEAM.
>>
>> Which, next year, wont be called US anything, as they will have a
>> new sponsor.
>
> But he'll still be from the United States.
Along with less than half of his team. Or his coach.
> The charge was levelled that the US has better sportsmen simply
> because the greatest cyclist the World has ever known in from the
> US.
ROTFL! The greatest cyclist the world has ever known was from
Belgium.
>> > And it's "le Tour de France" not "Tour Le France," dipstick. I
>> > can't comment on your bastardy, but it's clear that "magnificent"
>> > is not applicable in your case.
>>
>> www.tourlefrance.com
>>
>> I rest my case.
You are a case, you don't have a case. Although rest might be good
for you.
> U been bitch-slapped
Nah. He hasn't even gotten close yet. That's what happens when
you're swinging with your eyes shut like the pansy girly-man he is.
The self-proclaimed MB is basically unarmed when it comes to a battle
of wits.
I'll bet Lance celebrates with a double order of freedom fries!! He needs to
get his strength up for the next bitch slapping he hands those frogs and
dagos and nazis. They can all kiss our big hairy American asses. Next time
we should let Hitler have the place so they can be commies like they really
are anyway. The whole place with their tiny wussy cars is no use anyway.
Like president Churchill said >the wogs start south of Calais<.
W. Pecker, US citisen
I'd be happy to argue that the Great Belgium's place on the podium has
been relegated to second place following Armstrong's win yesterday.
However, it is a value argument, so we can both be right.
I can see where you are headed, but don't forget my earlier proviso:
so long as each individual meets the minimum requirements laid down by
the International Federation of their particular discipline.
>On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 06:46:56 +0100, in alt.tv.sopranos, C L Imber rubs
>the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
>whenever it's told -
>
>
>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:36:17 -0500, The Magnificent Bastard
>> <magnif_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Cycling is one of the most popular sports in Europe, second to only
>> >soccer. Ok, and maybe third behind darts in the UK.
>>
>> Rugby? Cricket?
>
>Yes? What about them?
>
>>
>> >So what do people in Europe think about the United States dominating the
>> >Tour Le France? Lance Armstrong is going to win a record 6th Tour
>> >tomorrow and before that, Greg LeMond was dominant. So in the last 10
>> >years or so, the Tour Le France has been won by a non-American only a
>> >couple of times. Plus the non-American winners were all later convicted
>> >of using performance enhancing drugs (I think).
>> >
>> >So just like always, the Unites States is the best in the world. I
>> >would guess that other countries don't like it but they had better start
>> >getting used to it.
>>
>> I look forward to the day when the US succeeds in international team
>> sporting events like football, rugby or cricket. Instead, to become
>> World champions, the US talks about its world domination in games
>> which no one else plays, games such as basketball, baseball and
>> American football.
>
>Who actually plays cricket? Seriously.
It's the national sport in India, Pakistan and The West Indies. It's
also played extensively in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and
Zimbabwe.
China aspires to be a World class cricket nation by 2024.
>> And why is it called *American* football? It is only played in the
>> lessor part of the Northern section of the two American continents.
>> Most American countries play football as it should be played: with
>> their feet.
>
> Cycling is one of the most popular sports in Europe, second to only
> soccer. Ok, and maybe third behind darts in the UK.
Darts would be an ideal sport for citizens of the most clinically
obese nation in the world, the USA.
>
> So what do people in Europe think about the United States dominating the
> Tour Le France?
I think if you have to cut your nuts off to do it, like Armstrong did,
it ain't worth it.
No, I find your country funny currently (and sick).
Since when is Michael Schumacher American?
>I all boils down to the rampant homosexuality in the Euro culture.
>If they would stop popping the poopers they would procreate and expand
>the gene pool. Tis would give them a better chance of fieling a winner
>every now and then. It would also help if they were to bath more
>frequently. Then they might be more attracted to the opposite sex!
Is that you, George Bush?
--
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- The Chimp 13-Sep-01 (the same day he was flying bin Laden's relatives out of the country)
"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- The Chimp 13-Mar-02 (less than six months later)
>>> So what do you propose? A limit based on size of population for the
>>> number of athletes a nation may send to the Olympics?
>>
>> I suggest you don't draw conclusions the facts don't warrent.
>
> I seem to be the only person actually posting facts. Perhaps you'd
> care to join this exclusive club.
My arguments are that your facts don't support your conclusion. Here, then,
are my facts:
- 2+2=4
- A body accelerates towards the earth at approximately 9.8 m/sec^2 when
near the earth.
- A circle is the set of all points in a plane, that are a given distance
from a specific point.
All are true, and all are just as relevent as your fact.
> The charge was levelled that the US has better sportsmen simply
> because the greatest cyclist the World has ever known in from the US.
>
> I disproved this argument by showing that in a European population
> sample more or less equal to the US's population, there were nearly
> double the number of medal winners.
>
> My proof was questioned on the basis that the European team would be
> bigger than the US team.
>
> I countered this attempt at a disproof by arguing that the best
> sportsmen would always be selected, and that there is no limit on a
> team size anyway.
When you're dealing with athletics at that level, "the best" isn't often all
that meaningful. Yes, there are better bets (in distance running, I would
put my money on Adam Felcher, Aaron Culpepper, and Mab Mflaskie over other
US runners, but that doesn't mean that Alex Shelley won't outrun them in any
given race), but "upsets" aren't really all that uncommon or upsetting.
Hell, there are people on the top ranks now, who weren't even on the horizon
two years ago.
Considering what separates atheletes at that level, if you spam, you will
take more. The US is forced to leave behind many very serious contenders,
because of the size of our team. If we decided that the US was going to
send a team from every state, you would hear alot of complaining from
Europe.
> Where are my conclusions, drawn from the facts wrong?
Your facts are right. You just analyzed them wrong.
> Alteratively you could agree that you've lost the argument, and that
> way you get to have the final say.
I now extend that same offer to you.
got a proof for that?
> - A body accelerates towards the earth at approximately 9.8 m/sec^2 when
> near the earth.
not always true
> - A circle is the set of all points in a plane, that are a given distance
> from a specific point.
not always true
> All are true, and all are just as relevent as your fact.
<cough>