Classic vs Painter 5
hgebeaux
my graphics tablet. Haven't used either, but I was wondering if there is a
big difference? I'm assuming Classis is limited. But how good is 5?
A novice at this. Thanks.
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Jinny Brown
I think someone answered this on another newsgroup, but here goes:
Painter 5 is a full Painter version, though several versions old by now.
Since Painter 5, we've had Painter 5.5, Painter 6, and Painter 7.
The Painter Classic version you probably have is Painter Classic 2 which
is based on Painter 7. If you use both Painter 5 and Painter Classic 2,
you'll notice the Water Color brushes are quite different. That's
because the Painter 7 Water Color technology is all new. Painter 5 Water
Colors are much more simple and work on the invisible Wet Layer.
Painter 7 Water Colors are used on one or more Water Color Layers that
appear in the Layers list, similar but different from the Painter 5
Floaters list. Painter 7 Water Colors are animated, meaning the paint
moves across the Water Color Layer and diffuses into the Paper texture.
They're quite challenging to learn how to use, and can produce some
beautiful paintings once the artist learns how to control them. In
Painter Classic 2, which is a very limited sampler to show what full
Painter versions have, there are just a handful of Water Color variants
and they're not as complex or difficult to manage as ones found in
Painter 7 and, of course because Painter Classic 2 is so limited, don't
provide the possibilities found in Painter 7 Water Colors.
In Painter 5, we can make adjustments to brushes and save them as custom
variants. We can create brush categories to hold your custom brush
variants, and organize them into custom brush libraries. We can also
create Patterns, Papers, Nozzles, and other items and also load extra
libraries from earlier Painter versions, from third party Painter book
CD's, and download other artists' custom brushes, Papers, Patterns,
etc., from their websites.
In Painter Classic 2, we can't alter a brush much beyond changing it's
Opacity and Size and no other libraries can be loaded and used in
Painter Classic 2. It's a nice introduction to the concept of Painter
and useful, but definitely limited and you'll get more out of Painter 5,
overall.
I'd suggest keeping both installed on your system and use each for what
it has that the other doesn't have.
I currently have Painter Classic 1, Painter 5, Painter 6, and Pianter 7
on my old and not too powerful system and all run just fine if I do
regular housekeeping.
Classic is limited.
Painter 5 is a good program that you can use while learning the basics
of Painter. If you want to upgrade, that's a good idea too, as there
have been many advances in the later versions and Painter 8 is to be
released sometime this Spring, we're told.
Jinny Brown
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hgebeaux
I am just beginning (as a way to return to my "real" side as I head to
retirement) to get back into my creative side. I've worked as a writer
(journalist) and photographer. Now I'm learning Photoshop and work as a
graphic artist for a small paper. What I've read about Painter excited me,
as the only "painting" I did before was with "real" brushes, paint, etc. The
computer possibilities fascinate me, so I intend to learn what I can in my
feeble way. I joined TutorAlley, so maybe I'll get some good tips. It's an
exciting adventure, and I appreciate your response. The computer is nice,
but sometimes the amount of stuff available is intimidating - just like my
two versions of Painter. I guess the answer is just to pick one and go for
it!
Howard
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Jinny Brown
Spend as much time as you want at TutorAlley. You'll be most welcome to
ask questions, share your work, and generally get support while learning
Painter. It's a complex program so no one should be discouraged if they
don't get all in one gulp. No one does, and though some may want to
appear to know it all, I am convinced after reading and writing to most
of the Painter related groups for several years now, that no one does
know it all, including people who teach, write, and are considered
experts.
This is one of the greatest things about Painter. It's not only exciting
in the beginning. It stays exciting, and I think you're going to love
it. What a great way to transition into retirement. It's exactly how it
was for me. A few years before I retired, Painter appeared in my life
and it's been an all day, every day love affair ever since.
Yep, just pick up and go for it. You'll get a lot of support from the
rest of us.
Welcome to the Painter community! :o)
Don't remember if you were told already, but there are lots of tutorials
on TutorAlley's (older) sister site, PixelAlley that are good for
Painter 5 so I hope you'll spend some time there poking around. URL's
below my signature and at the bottom of each page at TutorAlley too, so
you can't miss it (even if you want to). <G>
DLFrost
>retirement) to get back into my creative side. I've worked as a writer
>(journalist) and photographer. Now I'm learning Photoshop and work as a
>graphic artist for a small paper. What I've read about Painter excited me,
>as the only "painting" I did before was with "real" brushes, paint, etc. The
>computer possibilities fascinate me, so I intend to learn what I can in my
>feeble way. I joined TutorAlley, so maybe I'll get some good tips. It's an
>exciting adventure, and I appreciate your response. The computer is nice,
>but sometimes the amount of stuff available is intimidating - just like my
>two versions of Painter. I guess the answer is just to pick one and go for
>it!
>Howard
In either case Painter 5 will be the more powerful of the two. If your version
of Classic is the newer one you might want to keep it on just to try the newer
watercolor system.
Do yourself a favor and get The Painter 5 WOW! Book by searching online--you'll
learn a lot from this book. You can get it cheap ($15) at Amazon.com or
dogbert.abebooks.com as a used or remandered text. Just make sure the listing
says the CD is included.
Doug Frost
KSperling
This sounds like me! While I'm not lucky enough to be retiring yet, I was a
journalist for a zillion years, I was a photographer and I painted with
traditional media.
I wrote the original Painter manuals when the program came out in 1991 and I've
written 3 published books about it in addition to publishing a magazine about
it and now publishing tutorials to CD. When I published the magazine, Artistry,
I not only wrote all the articles, but I also did all the graphic design and
layout.
After all these years of writing about other artists using Painter, I just got
into doing my own art about 1 1/2 years ago, only because a magazine editor
asked for a tutorial about my images. I said well I never did that, I'm a
journalist not an artist, and she said I'm sure you can do it. They published
the image and the tutorial.
It's been an interesting experience incorporating my photography and painting
after all these years of writing. I'm scanning photographs from a zillion years
ago and actually, it makes me wonder, why I didn't get into the art side
sooner. Oh well, better late than never.
I painted all the art for a Painting for Photographers CD I published,
including an oil-painted-looking portrait from a photograph. I've been
commissioned to paint 2 portraits of a guy's kids based on this painting for
this tutorial!
Painting in Painter got me curious about painting with traditional watercolors,
which I had done a zillion years before. I painted my first watercolor painting
in a long time-what fun.
I just painted a new watercolor completely in Painter for a new cd I just did,
too.
If you're curious, the image for the magazine, Photoelectronic Imaging (it's
the image called melrose.jpg), and the original watercolor are here:
http://www.artistrymag.com/gallery2/index.htm
The portrait and a tutorial for how I painted it in Painter Classic 2 is here:
http://www.artistrymag.com/docs/classic.html
And the new painting for the CD, which I did from an old photo, by the way,
using traditional watercolorist Birgit O'Connor's techniques in Painter Classic
2 is here:
http://www.artistrymag.com/docs/birgit.html
You're in excellent hands at Jinny Brown's Tutor Alley. Jinny is one of the
most knowledgeable and helpful people when it comes to learning Painter.
I'm just mentioning all of thse images because my background is similar to
yours and I want to tell you, if I can do it-get into painting after a career
as a journalist-- you can.
I gave up on painting with oils and watercolors all those years ago, I found it
overwhelming to make mistakes. What using Painter does is let you experiment
before you actually settle on a painting.
Here's a tutorial about how I painted the pool painting using Painter to plan
it, but you can use it if the painting will be painted in Painter, too (and if
Peter Piper picks a peck of pickled peppers <g>):
http://www.artistrymag.com/docs/pool.html
Happy painting!
--
Karen Sperling
Editor/Publisher
Artistry Painter tutorials and classes
http://www.artistrymag.com
<<thank you muchly.
hgebeaux
I'm in the process of doing all I said, but it is a slow process. I also
have spent the past zillion years as a journalist and photographer. The only
painting was back in college, and I recall really liking the process.
To me, what I need to do now is to assert my own creativity. The world
around me, I'm sorry to say, pretty much sucks. I have no interest in
politics. The war saddens me. What I see other doing - rushing around to
kiss someone else's, or society's, ass, leaves me cold. What's left is just
me, jsut ourselves, just what we, in our deepest heart, see as important and
valid and valuable in the short life we have. I don't think I'll have
another live. So this one is it. I feel I've wasted too much of it, but I'm
not getting hung up on that. I want to say something, say what is within me,
and art seems the way I am most atuned to - photography and painting,
actually a combination of the two.
I know I'll not take anything with me. But I will not, as a recent book
asserted, "die an unlived life." It's time to LIVE.
I only wish I knew more about the techniques. I've seen your website, and
even have been tempted to get one of your CDs - the one of watercolor and
photographs - but I need to pay attention to the basics first. It's an
exciting trip ahead for me.
There is so much "out there" on this Internet, I'm overwhelmed. But I do
appreciate your response to my simple posting. Perhaps there can be more.
Howard
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zap
today, these are really a passing dark ages in
much bigger picture.
Time to live is now. Always been and will. NOW!!.
Painting will open unknown spaces and dormant
energy of your spirit.
Painter##### could be the tool you need.
Actually it can be the only tool you'll need.
No more running out of colours, cheap brushes,
airbrush pollution, smell of turpentine, no more
waste......your work wont even "exist"...pure zen.
Peace to all seekers of living,
ZAP