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Fugitive

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Apr 17, 2002, 3:58:18 AM4/17/02
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I am doing w/c with a soft camel, I used something else before
that. Some of the strokes of color are too banded and I would like to
put a gentle water wash on them that won't ruin what's there already.
I am new to 6 and just got 7 so I have much to learn, but I can do
some pretty good stuff so this is important to me not to wreck it.
Just some mild blending with not running or spreading will do.
Anyone know what settings I need. That's the problem, I can choose
brushes, but do not know how to set them up very well.
TIA
greg

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Fugitive

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Apr 17, 2002, 4:35:06 AM4/17/02
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I should have quit while I was ahead. Now it has this white color that
it picked up somewhere and surrounds all my paint. Any help or should
I start over?

Jinny Brown

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Apr 17, 2002, 7:41:25 PM4/17/02
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Greg,

Painter 7 Water Color brushes build up color when one stroke is laid
down over another stroke. It's not easy to blend the strokes/colors like
you would with Painter 6 or earlier version Water Color brushes.

Another way to work is to do the painting and blending on the Canvas or
another Layer using non-Water Color brushes, and from the Layers section
menu, choose Lift Canvas to Water Color Layer. (If the painting was done
on a Layer, you'll need to first drop that Layer to the Canvas.). Then
choose Wet Entire Water Color Layer. Depending on the currently chosen
Water Color variant and Paper settings, the effect will vary, so do some
experimenting to find what you like.

OR....

You could use the Painter 7 Tinting brushes to come close to a Water
Color look. With those variants, you can blend the brush strokes and/or
color.


About the white color.. you don't say where you were painting or what
brush variants you were using, but I'll guess you were trying to blend
on a Layer. Blending/smeary brush variants will cause that white effect
when you paint onto transparent areas of the Layer.

Here's a message I wrote to answer a similar question the other day (the
instructions apply only to non-Water Color paint.. or dry paint on a
Default Layer):

___________________________________

Hi,

Smeary or blending brushes do that. Here's an alternative, not perfect,
but the best I know to offer at this point. (I'll give you a couple of
other ones too.)

METHOD 1
________

When your colors are painted on the Layer and you're ready to begin
blending:

1. Use the Magic Wand to select the transparent area of the Layer (the
Layer's transparent background).

2. Use Ctrl/Command+Shift+I to invert the selection.

3. In the lower left corner of the image window, click the little brown
icon. A popup window displays three icons. Reading from left to right,
these icons tell Painter where you want to paint: both inside and
outside the selection, only outside the selection, or only inside the
selection.

4. Click the far right icon to tell Painter you want to paint only
inside the selection.

5. Though you'll be protected from painting outside the selection, be
sure to paint carefully to avoid pulling unwanted color into the
selection from outside.

6. If you accidentally pull some unwanted color into the selection, just
paint in the opposite direction to push it back outside (by smearing
wanted color over the unwanted color).

The only two other alternatives I can think of are:

METHOD 2
________

Instead of working on a Layer, do your blending/smearing on the Canvas,
then select the painted area and lift it to Layer. To make a fairly
clean selection, use either:

1. Auto Select Using: Image Luminance (if there's enough contrast
between the painted area and the background).

OR...

2. Use the Dropper tool to pick the background color, then use Auto
Select Using: Current Color. Invert the selection, then lift it to a
Layer.

After using either alternative 1 or alternative 2, you'll probably still
have to touch up the edge pixels as they'll be the same color as the
background. Use the METHOD 1 to select the painted area of the Layer,
choose the icon to paint only inside the selection, then push color out
over the contrasting edge pixels until they no longer appear white (or
whatever color the original background was from which the selection was
lifted to a Layer).

METHOD 3
________

With the Preserve Transparency box unchecked, do your smearing/blending
on the Layer, then set the Layer's Composite Method to either Gel or
Multiply to make the white areas transparent. The disadvantage in doing
this is that these Composite Methods make the Layer darker. However, for
some images, that may be OK.

Good luck, and please write to me at jinb...@mindspring.com to let me
know if any of these methods work for you.. or if you find a better one,
what it is.

Thanks, :o)
___________________________________


Jinny Brown

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Fugitive

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Apr 18, 2002, 1:11:49 AM4/18/02
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>Greg,
>
>Painter 7 Water Color brushes build up color when one stroke is laid
>down over another stroke. It's not easy to blend the strokes/colors like
>you would with Painter 6 or earlier version Water Color brushes.
>

Maybe I should switch to P6 for this job......


>Another way to work is to do the painting and blending on the Canvas or
>another Layer using non-Water Color brushes, and from the Layers section
>menu, choose Lift Canvas to Water Color Layer. (If the painting was done
>on a Layer, you'll need to first drop that Layer to the Canvas.). Then
>choose Wet Entire Water Color Layer. Depending on the currently chosen
>Water Color variant and Paper settings, the effect will vary, so do some
>experimenting to find what you like.
>
>OR....
>
>You could use the Painter 7 Tinting brushes to come close to a Water
>Color look. With those variants, you can blend the brush strokes and/or
>color.

Now this sounds promising, if I can find em'.


>
>
>About the white color.. you don't say where you were painting or what
>brush variants you were using, but I'll guess you were trying to blend
>on a Layer. Blending/smeary brush variants will cause that white effect
>when you paint onto transparent areas of the Layer.

It was connected to a layer but I don't quite understand yet, they
don't work like PS or PSP layers do, too bad..........
>


The last part (snipped) sounded too complicated.
Thank You
Greg

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