painter 7 on os X 10.1
Michael Hance
are there any problems I should be aware of ?
How was it on os x 10.04 ?
David Butenhof
> does anyone have any esperience running painter 7 on MAC OS X 10.1?
> are there any problems I should be aware of ?
It runs faster and smoother than on 9.2.1; especially more complicated
tools like the new watercolor. HOWEVER, despite the release of a WACOM
tablet driver for 10.1, there's still no support in Painter 7 to actually
use it. Corel has promised an update, but I've heard nothing about a
schedule.
Since Painter 7 runs pretty badly on 9.2.1, we're mostly sticking with
Painter 6 for now. Too bad.
For months, 10.1 and Painter 7 was supposed to be our switchover point. But
Corel released Painter 7 "when it was ready" rather than hold up to support
the final 10.1 WACOM driver; and Dantz found 10.1 APIs insufficient to
release Retrospect, and Palm is still doing who the heck knows what instead
of releasing a Mac OS X version of Palm HotSync. So we're kinda back to
"wait and hope" right now.
> How was it on os x 10.04 ?
Don't even think of it. If you've got no interest in Mac OS X, stick with
9.2.1. If you DO have any interest in Mac OS X, upgrade to 10.1,
immediately, and never even think of going back. There is no 10.0.4.
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Smiling Triangle
David Butenhof <David.B...@compaq.com> wrote:
> Michael Hance wrote:
>
> > does anyone have any esperience running painter 7 on MAC OS X 10.1?
> > are there any problems I should be aware of ?
For a listing of Mac issues (some OS X, some not) with Painter 7, go to
http://kb.corel.com/kbdocs/UNKNOWN/Painter7MAC/
There's an extensive list of bug reports, nitpicks, pointers and tips at:
http://www.pixelalley.com/tutorials/painter7-findings.html
> It runs faster and smoother than on 9.2.1; especially more complicated
> tools like the new watercolor. HOWEVER, despite the release of a WACOM
> tablet driver for 10.1, there's still no support in Painter 7 to actually
> use it. Corel has promised an update, but I've heard nothing about a
> schedule.
Corel's position is that they'll wait until Wacom issues a "final"
driver before they provide an update to Painter.
(http://kb.corel.com/kbdocs/UNKNOWN/Painter7MAC/Painter7MAC_206732.htm)
> Since Painter 7 runs pretty badly on 9.2.1, we're mostly sticking with
> Painter 6 for now. Too bad.
Hah??? I'm having no problems with Painter under 9.2.1. I haven't
tried running it under OS X, because I won't give up my Intuos! What
exactly do you mean by "pretty badly?"
> > How was it on os x 10.04 ?
>
> Don't even think of it. If you've got no interest in Mac OS X, stick with
> 9.2.1. If you DO have any interest in Mac OS X, upgrade to 10.1,
> immediately, and never even think of going back. There is no 10.0.4.
Amen to that. 10.1 is much better.
Typpi
Jinny Brown
Thanks for the link to Mac Painter 7 info. Also, thanks for mentioning
the Painter 7 Findings - Tips and Facts page on my site.
Reading through the Mac Painer 7 info quickly (it also contains
information for Windows), I came across one page that has a few errors
in it. It's the one on:
Working with Brush Libraries in Painter 7
DocumentID: 206595
Revision Date: 8/24/01 11:28:00 AM
In it, the author refers to folders by the wrong names, and refers to
Libraries and Categories incorrectly. Without reading it more carefully,
that's all that I noticed so far but would not be surprised if there's
more in error, if the author doesn't know better than to make these
mistakes. This would be quite confusing to anyone trying to follow the
instructions. It needs to be fixed to be of much help. If anyone wants a
corrected version of this information, let me know. That is, if you
actually want to use it. I'll be happy to help but don't have time to do
it unless someone really needs it.
Jinny Brown
PixelAlley's Section Links:
http://www.pixelalley.com/pixelalley-sections-pages.html
(Painter 5 and 6 tutorials, Painter 7 info, tutorials, PDF downloads,
brushes)
Contact: jinb...@pixelalley.com or,
Painter Forum at In Depth Discussions:
http://www.critical-depth.com/cgi-bin/idd/
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David Butenhof
> In article <VmQF7.1303$RL6....@news.cpqcorp.net>,
> David Butenhof <David.B...@compaq.com> wrote:
>
>> It runs faster and smoother than on 9.2.1; especially more complicated
>> tools like the new watercolor. HOWEVER, despite the release of a WACOM
>> tablet driver for 10.1, there's still no support in Painter 7 to actually
>> use it. Corel has promised an update, but I've heard nothing about a
>> schedule.
>
> Corel's position is that they'll wait until Wacom issues a "final"
> driver before they provide an update to Painter.
> (http://kb.corel.com/kbdocs/UNKNOWN/Painter7MAC/Painter7MAC_206732.htm)
Right. Of course, Corel claims their schedule depends on WACOM's, and WACOM
hasn't announced a schedule. While I wish Corel would release something
that uses the WACOM beta, I can't entirely blame them.
>> Since Painter 7 runs pretty badly on 9.2.1, we're mostly sticking with
>> Painter 6 for now. Too bad.
>
> Hah??? I'm having no problems with Painter under 9.2.1. I haven't
> tried running it under OS X, because I won't give up my Intuos! What
> exactly do you mean by "pretty badly?"
My wife is the "Painter", not me, so this is second hand. She's had trouble
getting reasonable color on printouts -- far more so than with Painter 6,
though I've never managed to get her to pay much attention to gamuts; and
inkjet vs monitor gamuts at best don't match well. She generally uses
watercolor, and the new watercolor methods don't behave like the old ones
(which bothers her). More critically, though, the rendering has been
extremely slow. Under Mac OS X, the tools seem to render essentially in
real time (though the lack of pressure sensitivity may be making things
easier for it), whereas under 9.2.1 there is a very distinct lag that makes
them difficult to use. This is of course likely to be less noticable if
you've got a newer machine than our 450Mz G4.
Smiling Triangle
David Butenhof <David.B...@compaq.com> wrote:
> Smiling Triangle wrote:
> > Hah??? I'm having no problems with Painter under 9.2.1. I haven't
> > tried running it under OS X, because I won't give up my Intuos! What
> > exactly do you mean by "pretty badly?"
>
> More critically, though, the rendering has been
> extremely slow. Under Mac OS X, the tools seem to render essentially in
> real time (though the lack of pressure sensitivity may be making things
> easier for it), whereas under 9.2.1 there is a very distinct lag that makes
> them difficult to use. This is of course likely to be less noticable if
> you've got a newer machine than our 450Mz G4.
Good points, both! I strongly suspect that the pressure sensitivity
levels increase the demand on the processor. And yep, I'm using an 867
with the RAM maxed out, allocated 200+ to Painter. If you're inclined,
upgrade your RAM to speed things up, since RAM prices are quite low now.
OWC sells RAM with lifetime warranty: www.otherworldcomputing.com (aka
www.macsales.com )
Regards,
Typpi
Smiling Triangle
Jinny Brown <jinb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Reading through the Mac Painer 7 info quickly (it also contains
> information for Windows), I came across one page that has a few errors
> in it. It's the one on:
>
> Working with Brush Libraries in Painter 7
> DocumentID: 206595
> Revision Date: 8/24/01 11:28:00 AM
>
> In it, the author refers to folders by the wrong names, and refers to
> Libraries and Categories incorrectly. .....<snip>..... That is, if you
> actually want to use it. I'll be happy to help but don't have time to do
> it unless someone really needs it.
That's Corel's own knowledgebase document. :/ For shame!
Typpi
Jinny Brown
It also helps to alter the Water Color Brush settings, to make them work
faster. I'm learning how to make them behave more reasonably, even on my
500 mHz system with 128 MB RAM.
We're doing a lot of experimenting with Painter 7 Water Color Brushes in
the Painter Forum at In Depth Discussions. If your wife is interested,
she'll be most welcome to join us and share in the learning process.
There are several Custom Water Color (and other) Brushes available for
download both on my site and in the Painter Forum at IDD and also in the
Freebies Forum at IDD. The URL is below my signature.
Jinny Brown
PixelAlley's Section Links:
http://www.pixelalley.com/pixelalley-sections-pages.html
(Painter 5 and 6 tutorials, Painter 7 info, tutorials, PDF downloads,
brushes)
Contact: jinb...@pixelalley.com or,
Painter Forum at In Depth Discussions:
http://www.critical-depth.com/cgi-bin/idd/
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David Butenhof wrote:
<SNIP>
> My wife is the "Painter", not me, so this is second hand. She's had trouble
> getting reasonable color on printouts -- far more so than with Painter 6,
> though I've never managed to get her to pay much attention to gamuts; and
> inkjet vs monitor gamuts at best don't match well. She generally uses
> watercolor, and the new watercolor methods don't behave like the old ones
> (which bothers her). More critically, though, the rendering has been
> extremely slow. Under Mac OS X, the tools seem to render essentially in
> real time (though the lack of pressure sensitivity may be making things
> easier for it), whereas under 9.2.1 there is a very distinct lag that makes
> them difficult to use. This is of course likely to be less noticable if
> you've got a newer machine than our 450Mz G4.
<SNIP>
David Butenhof
Maxed out RAM? Impressive. I'm running 512Mb now. Hey, I'm a programmer,
and I've been in this business a long time. I remember when a 512Mb DISK
would have seemed unbelievably large. (I remember washing-machine sized
disk drives with far smaller capacities... and working on a computer that
served a department of 30-odd people with 5Mb of memory.) True, doubling
the RAM (which I've considered -- but the cheap RAM I've seen tends to be
in 256Mb or smaller DIMMs, and I'd rather not waste an extra slot) might
help. Though less so with Mac OS X, where virtual memory actually works.
By the way... I just saw an announcement on maccentral that WACOM has
released a new version of the tablet driver, designated "release
candidate". Scheduled to go to manufacturing Nov 26 unless something
catastrophic comes up. With any luck Corel is actually getting a bit of a
headstart on the Nov 26 date (I wouldn't expect substantial API changes
from the candidate) and will be ready to go into final testing when the
driver ships.
David Butenhof
> It also helps to alter the Water Color Brush settings, to make them work
> faster. I'm learning how to make them behave more reasonably, even on my
> 500 mHz system with 128 MB RAM.
Really? 128Mb seems a bit on the small side -- even as a Painter partition,
much less to run a reasonable Mac OS X system.
> We're doing a lot of experimenting with Painter 7 Water Color Brushes in
> the Painter Forum at In Depth Discussions. If your wife is interested,
> she'll be most welcome to join us and share in the learning process.
> There are several Custom Water Color (and other) Brushes available for
> download both on my site and in the Painter Forum at IDD and also in the
> Freebies Forum at IDD. The URL is below my signature.
Yes, I've been meaning to get her set up with your links and this
newsgroup. I've printed out a few of your tutorials, and the John Derry
papers on watercolor and liquid ink that I believe I found through your
links. The "brush tuning" experimentation in particular sounds really
useful.
John Meyers
this. In OS9.. it can be used with a serial to USB coverter. In OSX it can
not, and never will be. Wacom wants you to purchase a new USB tablet.
This is the official word I recieved
Here is a detailed explanation of why Wacom decided not to support Serial or
ADB tablets.
Q: Why is Wacom not supporting ADB tablets and serial tablets on OS X? It is
no problem for Wacom to support ADB and USB tablets, but they don't do it so
that they can sell more tablets.
A: Wacom appreciates and respects the feelings of its customers. However, it
was a huge job to get USB tablet support into OS X - not only for Wacom but
also for Apple. Adding support for ADB and serial tablets would require
significant additional effort on both the programming and the QA side. On
the other hand, streamlining the very significant and complex driver
development efforts at Wacom by focusing OS X support on USB tablets only
allows the development group to provide better performance and reliability
for all supported tablets.
As you probably know, most computer makers are not putting efforts into
"legacy" hardware any longer (old connection standards like Serial and ADB).
This is NOT being driven by Wacom, but by the computer manufacturers
themselves. Apple is not prioritizing support for older hardware, either.
Only the Beige and Blue&White G3's have serial and ADB support, and they are
rather slow and represent only as small percentage of OS X capable machines.
Therefore, if you must have ADB or Serial support, Wacom recommends highly
that you not upgrade to OS X.
In the past, many users connected a serial or ADB tablet through some sort
of USB adapter.
Wacom's experience has been that these adapters cause a lot of problems for
our users - adapter related issues are one of the two most common causes for
tech support calls. Under OS X, the amount of adapter related problems is
likely to expand due to the complexity of the operating system and the
classic and native space environments. Wacom's goal and intention is always
to make our products function as reliable and smooth as possible, and the
best way to do so for OS X is to limit support to USB tablets.
Therefore, the decision to not support ADB and serial connections on OS X it
is the best decision for everyone - for customers, for Wacom, for Apple, and
for the entire support infrastructure between the customer and the vendor.
We hope that you appreciate your tablet, because we have worked extremely
hard to make sure that our customers have the best experience possible. If
you want to discuss this issue further, please visit our web site and send
an email to product management.
Maria Zavala
Wacom Technical Support Technician
Inother words, grab you checkbooks an go shopping.
Great my 12x12 Intuos is only a year old.
And on topic, I have just gone from a 9600/350 w G4/400 upgrade 1gb Ram to a
G4/733 1.5 gb Ram, and still many brushes d..r..a..g, it seems to be mostly
the brushes that display size. Had the same issues with CorelDraw, which
ended up as coasters here on my desk.
J.
Jinny Brown
I'm using a PC with a non-partitioned hard drive 500 mHz, 128 MB RAM, 20
GB hard drive with about 10 GB free.
I have to keep everything cleaned up, clear out browser cache frequently
(several times a day as I'm on the Net a lot), delete the Pre-built
Brush File on closing Painter (not every time, as it sometimes stays
small), Defrag and run ScanDisk at least once a week, and shut down
Painter when I've been working for a couple of hours.. then reboot if
I've been pushing my system too hard.
This would be unacceptable if I were trying to turn out graphics for a
job, with time schedules, but it's manageable for me.. for a while.
About the Painter Forum at IDD, just last night and this morning there
has been an increase in activity around the Painter 7 Water Color
brushes with one particularly lovely piece. The artist just moved up
from Painter Classic and she's leaving us in the dust! I do hope your
wife will come partake of the fun and learn along with us. It's very
encouraging to have a group of artists determined to conquer the Painter
7 WC brushes!
Have a wonderful day. :o)
Jinny Brown
PixelAlley's Section Links:
http://www.pixelalley.com/pixelalley-sections-pages.html
(Painter 5 and 6 tutorials, Painter 7 info, tutorials, PDF downloads,
brushes)
Contact: jinb...@pixelalley.com or,
Painter Forum at In Depth Discussions:
http://www.critical-depth.com/cgi-bin/idd/
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Smiling Triangle
David Butenhof <David.B...@compaq.com> wrote:
> Maxed out RAM? Impressive. I'm running 512Mb now. Hey, I'm a programmer,
> and I've been in this business a long time. I remember when a 512Mb DISK
> would have seemed unbelievably large. (I remember washing-machine sized
> disk drives with far smaller capacities...
Ah, down memory lane! But on a more recent note, it was only 1 year
ago, when I purchased a 128MB DIMM for $150- and was demn grateful! The
prices now are obscene...too many chipmakers got into the business,
hoping to outlast the competition. I don't know how long the prices can
stay down. On a per MB basis, the 512MB chips were cheaper (SDRAM, that
is. The DIMMs may not be). We paid $150 total for 3 512MB DIMMs from
Otherworld Computing. Can you tell I'm still delirious about the RAM?
=)
Wintel users out there might want to check out www.datamem.com