transparent layer
Teresa
of a joke, but it's not. I've been trying different things but haven't
been able to fill one.
Teresa
Seanna
2000, in alt.fractal-design.painter:
Create a mask for it or use the square box selection thingy (technical term
<g>) and draw a lection box around the whole thing and fill it?
Let me know if this works...
--
Seanna_R *at* goplaydotcom
http://www.jannart.on.ca
~^~
Jinny Brown
Since you refer to "transparent layer", I assume you're using Painter 5
since Painter 6 doesn't use that terminology (New Layers in Painter 6 are
automatically transparent until they're filled or painted).
In Painter 6, you can fill a Layer by either using the Paint Bucket or
using Select, All (Ctrl-A in Windows) to select the entire Layer, then in
the Effects menu, clicking Fill (Ctrl-F in Windows), then choosing Fill
With: Current Color.
In Painter 5 (I don't have Painter 5.5, but expect that it works the same
way), neither of the above described methods seems to work for me either.
Here's what I would do to create a filled Floater:
1. If your Canvas is blank (use only Steps 1, 5, 6, 7, 9, and 10), click
in the blank area below the list of Floaters (if you have any) to make the
Canvas active.
2. If there's anything on the Canvas (use Steps 2 through 10), in the
Floater list, click in the blank area below the list of Floaters (if you
have any), then in the Select menu, click All (Ctrl-A in Windows) to select
the entire Canvas.
3. Click the Floater Adjuster tool (hand with pointing finger), then click
the selected Canvas. This will make the Canvas content into a new Floater.
4. In the Floater list window, click the blank area below the new Floater
(or list of Floaters) to deselect the new Floater and make the now-blank
Canvas active.
5. In the Effects menu, click Fill (Ctrl-F in Windows), then choose Fill
With: Current Color.
6. In the Select menu, click All (Ctrl-A in Windows) to select the entire
filled Canvas.
7. Click the Floater Adjuster tool (hand with pointing finger), then click
the selected Canvas. This will make the filled Canvas into a New, Filled
Floater.
8. If you want the first Floater (made from the original painted Canvas)
dropped back onto the Canvas, in the Floater list, click the first Floater
(made form the original Canvas) to make it active, then below the Floater
list, click the Drop button.
9. To rename the New, Filled Floater to something that makes more sense to
you, double-click on the New, Filled Floater in the Floater list. A window
will open with the name Floater (number) highlighted.
10 Type in the name you want and click the OK button.
I hope this helps you. Let me know if anything doesn't make sense. :o)
Jinny
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Jinny Brown
In Painter 5 (where Transparent Layer is a term), I tried your suggestion on
the Floater Mask. The windowed selection reverted to the Canvas, so that's what
was filled.. not the Transparent Layer. This didn't surprise me too much, since
we can't make selections on Floaters in Painter 5.
In Painter 6, the option to add a Transparent Layer isn't available as all New
Layers are automatically transparent. It's also possible in Painter 6 to use
either the Paint Bucket or from the Effects menu, Fill (Ctrl-F in Windows) to
fill a Layer. On a blank Layer, it's not necessary to make a windowed selection
to fill the entire Layer, but it can be done. Also, a smaller selection can be
made on a Layer, with the Rectangular or Oval Selection tools, the Lasso tool,
or the Pen tool (draw a Shape, close the shape and, in the Shapes menu, click
Convert to Selection), then filled using any of the above described methods.
Jinny
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Seanna wrote:
> ter...@quadro.net (Teresa) <39086131...@quadro.net> wrote on 27 Apr
> 2000, in alt.fractal-design.painter:
>
> >Hello. How do you fill a transparent layer? Sounds like the beginning
> >of a joke, but it's not. I've been trying different things but haven't
> >been able to fill one.
> >Teresa
Seanna
wrote on 27 Apr 2000, in alt.fractal-design.painter:
>Seanna,
>
>In Painter 5 (where Transparent Layer is a term), I tried your
>suggestion on the Floater Mask. The windowed selection reverted to the
>Canvas, so that's what was filled.. not the Transparent Layer. This
>didn't surprise me too much, since we can't make selections on Floaters
>in Painter 5.
>
>In Painter 6, the option to add a Transparent Layer isn't available as
>all New Layers are automatically transparent. It's also possible in
>Painter 6 to use either the Paint Bucket or from the Effects menu, Fill
>(Ctrl-F in Windows) to fill a Layer. On a blank Layer, it's not
>necessary to make a windowed selection to fill the entire Layer, but it
>can be done. Also, a smaller selection can be made on a Layer, with the
>Rectangular or Oval Selection tools, the Lasso tool, or the Pen tool
>(draw a Shape, close the shape and, in the Shapes menu, click Convert to
>Selection), then filled using any of the above described methods.
Hi Jinny,
Yeah, you're right. I've only got P6 working for a couple weeks now and
already I'm getting confused about the programs.
I never used Transparent Layer in P5 so I forgot all about it being a
separate feature. My apologies and thanks for the correction.
Jinny Brown
No need to apologize.. Layers and Masks can be a pain in the neck.. until we
get used to them. :o)
Jin
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Seanna wrote:
<snip>
Jinny Brown
I'm forwarding an update sent to some other Painter-related lists today.
Jin
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [painterusers2corel-dialog] Corel's Painter PDM - Doug Chomyn
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:17:07 -0700
From: Jinny Brown <jinb...@mindspring.com>
Reply-To: jinb...@mindspring.com
To: "painte...@topica.com" <painte...@topica.com>,
"Painter5...@onelist.com" <Painter5...@onelist.com>,
"painte...@egroups.com" <painte...@egroups.com>
Painter Users:
I'm writing to fill you in on what's been going on (some of which you
may already know). We now have 70 members and 88 Database entries.
Also, ten days ago, on April 17th, I received an e-mail from Corel's new
Painter PDM, Doug Chomyn, saying:
________________
"I understand you spoke with my associate, Sean McLennan, a
product
development manager at Corel. Just thought I'd pass along my
contact
information:
Doug Chomyn
PDM, Painter, KPT plug-ins
<address snipped>
At this point, I appreciate it's (my contact info) being
distributed sparingly. Soon, I will setup a Corel specific
newsgroup for Painter and KPT product development, a place
where guru users can leave messages for development (me and
the other Corel people who will be working with Mark, Tom and
John), unload about problems, suggest features, etc. --
separate from technical and customer support.
I will be making my presence know on the various lists as soon
as time permits.
Cheers!"
________________
I responded by e-mail saying that I'd wait and let him make the
announcement to all of us himself, thinking it would be fairly soon.
This morning, after reading in an e-mail in the
alt.fractal-design.painter newsgroup that Corel has now set up a Painter
newsgroup, and not having seen posts from him on any of the lists, I
called Doug to see how he'd like to handle getting the information we've
put into the Database.
First, he apologized profusely for not having introduced himself to the
list members yet and explained at length the many tasks they're trying
to handle right now having just acquired Painter and the other
Metacreations graphics products. These include the whole gamut of
marketing, branding, product supply, and lots more that I don't remember
now, but have to do with making a transition that's transparent to the
customer.. smooth in other words.. and timely. (I guess we're all for
that!)
I let Doug know that I understood, and wanted to make sure that the
thought and effort 70 members of the painterusers2corel-dialog group
have given to making 88 entries in the Database would not be lost.. and
that the information would be read by Corel and we wouldn't have to redo
the work via a newsgroup. I also explained again to him that the
Database was set up as a temporary vehicle only, until Corel's Painter
newsgroup was ready to use and everyone knew where to send their
comments... that it was not intended to duplicate the newsgroup.
He took my phone number and said that he would try to take a look at the
Database and then let me know how they can best access the content and
use it. I told him I'd also take a look to see how the content could be
converted to a more useable form, in case my doing the conversion is the
better option.
Doug gave me an address where e-mails can be sent and he'll see them, if
we want to write to him directly:
He also gave me the following addresses:
corelfeedback.painter
corelfeedback.bryce
corelfeedback.kptfx
The newsgroup address I got from the alt.fractal-design.painter
newsgroup this morning was:
news:cnews.corel.ca
So far, I've not been able to connect to it, and have written back for
more information. In this afternoon's phone call, all Doug Chomyn could
tell me was that he connects to "cnews" using Netscape's Messenger
(which I also use). He was not able to give more complete instructions
for signing on to Corel's Painter newsgroup.
If any of you are able to connect to this newsgroup, please let the rest
of us know how to do it.. step by step. Thanks in advance.
If we can't figure it out on our own, we can write to Corel for better
instructions. (I've looked on their website and can't find it.. and
suspect that their site has just not been updated to include it yet.)
That's it for now.. except to say that as soon as we're able to use the
Corel Painter newsgroup to convey our thoughts, and the Database content
is transferred to Corel, I'll shut down the painterusers2corel-dialog
area of eGroups. Hopefully, this will be within the next week or so.
I'll let you all know beforehand exactly when it's going to be shut
down, so until then, feel free to continue making entries.
Thanks sincerely for your continuing participation,
Jinny
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David Clemons
1. Create a transparent layer floater
2. Use a brush tool (with the "Plugin - Transparent Layer Brush" active) to
PAINT the area you want to fill. This struck me as odd, too, but it was the
only way to proceed.
3. I can now use the paint bucket tool to fill the transparent painted area
with a new color, weave, pattern, etc.
-David
Jinny Brown wrote in message <39087974...@mindspring.com>...
Jinny Brown
I tried it and you're right! Is this documented, or did you just discover it?
This program is endless with its surprises. :o)
Jin
_________________
Seanna
wrote on 27 Apr 2000, in alt.fractal-design.painter:
>Seanna,
>
>No need to apologize.. Layers and Masks can be a pain in the neck..
>until we get used to them. :o)
The apology was for Theresa, who asked the original question... ;`)
I have no problems with the new layers in P6 (so far. the reply was more
due to transition problems --remembering what was what from P5 to P6.
Teresa
That's what I do. That's the only thing I could figure out too.
Thanks for your reply.
Teresa
Teresa
Thanks for your detailed instructions. I don't have any trouble
filling an image floater, which is what your instructions were for. I
wanted to fill a transparent floater. Right now I just paint the
transparent floater with one of the brushes. I was hoping there was a
quicker more even way of doing it.
Teresa
DLFrost
Select something opaque like the 500lb Pencil, adjust for working
(Method=Plug-in, Subcat=Transparent Layer), then drag the Size slider in
the Controls palette to maximum. You can now cover the largest floater
in just a few strokes because the brush is so huge. Then, as David
Clemons described, you have editing access to the whole floater.
If you need to restore the transparency back, change the brush's method
away from plug-in (use cover), change the brush color to white, open the
Mask List palette, click on the closed mask's eye, and paint away. Now
the transparent floater is transparent again, but has whatever you
placed/painted/filled into it. This is useful when you want to avoid
halos effects you will get if you paint a dark color into a floater
which has a white fill in it. The halo effect appears because the
feathered parts of the strokes allow the underlying white to show
through.
On a related note, Dennis Berkla has a P4/5 tutorial for dealing with
halos when using the image-hose on floaters, Painting Nature With
Nozzles, over on his DigArts site.
http://www.gardenhose.com/
Doug Frost
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Jinny Brown
Thanks for the extra information on transparent layers. This will be a big
help. Also for the Dennis Berkla reference, as I've been having some odd
problems with my nozzles.. funny lines off to the side of some of them when
I paint. Maybe this will give me some clues to fix them.
Jinny
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DLFrost wrote:
<snip>
DLFrost
Jinny Brown <jinb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Doug,
>
> Thanks for the extra information on transparent layers. This will be a
big
> help. Also for the Dennis Berkla reference, as I've been having some
odd
> problems with my nozzles.. funny lines off to the side of some of them
when
> I paint. Maybe this will give me some clues to fix them.
>
> Jinny
Image Nozzles items can have the same halos around them because they are
generated by selecting objects. You shouldn't use feathered selections
when creating them unless you're doing a customized set for a specific
job (where you can anticipate the interactions) for this reason.
Jinny Brown
I didn't describe the problem very well in my previous post. Imagine a
series of spheres made into a nozzle. When the image hose is used to paint
this nozzle.. some of the spheres have lines next to them, as if some parts
of the grid square were picked up.. or something overlapped into the next
grid. It's not what I'd think of as a halo. Very puzzling.
The Dennis Berkla tutorial was too far out of date for Painter 6, so I
didn't get much out of it (too lazy to launch Painter 5.. so I get what I
deserve. *G*)
Jin
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DLFrost wrote:
<snip>
DLFrost
Jinny Brown <jinb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Doug,
>
> I didn't describe the problem very well in my previous post. Imagine a
> series of spheres made into a nozzle. When the image hose is used to
paint
> this nozzle.. some of the spheres have lines next to them, as if some
parts
> of the grid square were picked up.. or something overlapped into the
next
> grid. It's not what I'd think of as a halo. Very puzzling.
>
> The Dennis Berkla tutorial was too far out of date for Painter 6, so I
> didn't get much out of it (too lazy to launch Painter 5.. so I get
what I
> deserve. *G*)
>
> Jin
Hum, hadn't heard about that one. I'd suggest trying this or that, but
it would probably make it worse... <grin>
The point of reading the DigArts tutorial is to see how the same problem
exists wherever you use floaters (now layers). Just as the canvas has a
color to it when created, floaters do too. But while you can tell
Painter what to use for a new canvas color, you can't for a floater.
(It's white with some new plug-in generated floaters and a copy of the
surrounding canvas when you float a selection.) Folks need to be aware
of this so they'll know why those halos appeared and what to do about
it.
Jinny Brown
I understand now.. thanks.
Jin
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DLFrost wrote:
<snip>