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Frazer Irving

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Jan 20, 2001, 7:03:27 PM1/20/01
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Hiya

Right, so i've kinda given up on the idea of using painter to actually PAINT
the colour on my work (it's still just too darn slow) but I've been
exploring the possibilities of using it to do the pencil sketches for my
pages. What I'm innerested in is if anyone out there also uses the pencil
tools to do the sketches from scratch, and if so any problems that have been
encountered.
I'm probably gonna try this method for the next job (35 pages) to see if I
can get into it, but any tips/advice/warnings would be appreciated.

I'm especially interested in the position and size of the tablets one
uses...

Frazer
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Reed Sprunger

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Jan 21, 2001, 3:59:06 AM1/21/01
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Hi, Frazer,

I use the pencil brushes all the time to do my sketching right on the
screen. For "marker" roughs, I float it (Ctrl (Command) + A, press F, then
click inside marquee), set composite method to Multiply, and then go back to
the now-blank Canvas layer and add color with the Pastel>Square Chalk brush,
or a Watercolor brush will work too. With watercolor, you don't even have to
float the sketch to use it and can edit either the sketch or watercolor
without interfering with each other, because the watercolor is on a special
layer until you "dry" it via the menu command. Just make sure to save as a
RIF file if you want to keep the watercolor "wet". You can see an example at
http://www.rsprunger.com/ankle.jpg.

I use a Wacom Intuos 6x8 tablet, but only about a 4x5.5" area is mapped for
drawing. I've rarely found that I need more. As far as position, whatever
is comfortable, and remember that you can swivel the work almost instantly
by pressing Space Bar + Alt (Option), clicking and dragging to the new
angle. Hold down those keys again and just click to return to straight
horizontal.

Reed Sprunger


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Frazer Irving

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Jan 21, 2001, 8:58:54 PM1/21/01
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On21/1/01 8:59 am, I read this stuff by "Reed Sprunger" and I thought about
paint, and I thought about glue (what a jolly boring thing to do)...

> Hi, Frazer,
>
> I use the pencil brushes all the time to do my sketching right on the
> screen. For "marker" roughs, I float it (Ctrl (Command) + A, press F, then
> click inside marquee), set composite method to Multiply, and then go back to
> the now-blank Canvas layer and add color with the Pastel>Square Chalk brush,
> or a Watercolor brush will work too. With watercolor, you don't even have to
> float the sketch to use it and can edit either the sketch or watercolor
> without interfering with each other, because the watercolor is on a special
> layer until you "dry" it via the menu command. Just make sure to save as a
> RIF file if you want to keep the watercolor "wet". You can see an example at
> http://www.rsprunger.com/ankle.jpg.
>
> I use a Wacom Intuos 6x8 tablet, but only about a 4x5.5" area is mapped for
> drawing. I've rarely found that I need more. As far as position, whatever
> is comfortable, and remember that you can swivel the work almost instantly
> by pressing Space Bar + Alt (Option), clicking and dragging to the new
> angle. Hold down those keys again and just click to return to straight
> horizontal.

hey HEY! Just the ticket! I just decided to go with the pencil sketching
(markers are the next level up fer me) but the keyboard shortcut to rotate
the page is a winner! So far it's proved most succesful, with some corking
sketches being made. Nice drawing BTW. That ankle looks painful...
If yer interested I can send U the first sketch I did. I's very proud...;)

Reed Sprunger

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Jan 22, 2001, 8:51:03 AM1/22/01
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Glad I could help. Send away on the sketches...I'd love to see them. I
remember seeing your name over at alt.art.illustration, was it? Have seen
your impressive site, too. It's great to see another illustrator taking up
digital tools. I think you'll find Painter to be capable of almost anything
you want, plus a multitude of things that were inconceivable on the board.
BTW, the ankle was for an orthopaedics company.

I put 2 others up on the site at: www.rsprunger.com/firstsip.jpg, and
www.rsprunger.com/navajo.jpg if you want to check them out. Both were done
with Painter.

-Reed


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DLFrost

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Jan 22, 2001, 10:55:17 AM1/22/01
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In article <bVWa6.32533$P5.15...@news1.rdc1.il.home.com>,

"Reed Sprunger" <rspru...@home.com> wrote:
> Glad I could help. Send away on the sketches...I'd love to see them.
I
> remember seeing your name over at alt.art.illustration, was it? Have
seen
> your impressive site, too. It's great to see another illustrator
taking up
> digital tools. I think you'll find Painter to be capable of almost
anything
> you want, plus a multitude of things that were inconceivable on the
board.
> BTW, the ankle was for an orthopaedics company.
>
> I put 2 others up on the site at: www.rsprunger.com/firstsip.jpg, and
> www.rsprunger.com/navajo.jpg if you want to check them out. Both were
done
> with Painter.
>
> -Reed
>
> Frazer Irving <fra...@frazerirving.com> wrote in message
> news:B691445E.F23C%fra...@frazerirving.com...

I get the impression that digital is just about taking over in
illustration work. You're already aware of the advantages, of course.
It's in the fine arts that digital work is having problems with
acceptance. Since people buy paintings in part for investment
purposes, they want an original.

Have you given any thought to producing works for the print market?
Your work's really good and I would think it would do well there.

Doug Frost


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Reed Sprunger

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Jan 23, 2001, 2:29:19 AM1/23/01
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Doug,

Thanks for your comments! I am hearing more all the time of illustrators
trying digital and liking it, and Frazer is a great example. With his figure
and fantasy talent, he will go far. Of course, vector illustration has been
growing for a long time, but truly painting and drawing in the computer
didn't take off till Painter came along. It still has a long way to go to
catch up to all forms of natural media, but it is great for a start. I don't
think it will ever replace them completely, though. Digital just fits so
well in reproduction art that it will probably be the predominant method for
illustration in a few years. That's my guess, anyway.

I have given thought to marketing prints, but haven't done too many things
that would qualify yet (most of what I do is commissioned commercial work of
products or other proprietary stuff). One of my advertising friends owns an
art gallery, and I've mentioned the possibility to him, but he seems cool to
the idea right now. I think that with more archival, large format digital
printing, it will be accepted just like litho was. As for a digital
"original", maybe in the future they will have some way to etch the data on
a near-eternal substrate with a 2000-year minimum life, and then destroy all
copies of the digital file, certifiying it's uniqueness and originality. Who
knows?

Reed Sprunger


Frazer Irving

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Jan 23, 2001, 3:19:18 AM1/23/01
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On23/1/01 7:29 am, I read this stuff by "Reed Sprunger" and I thought about

paint, and I thought about glue (what a jolly boring thing to do)...

> I have given thought to marketing prints, but haven't done too many things


> that would qualify yet (most of what I do is commissioned commercial work of
> products or other proprietary stuff). One of my advertising friends owns an
> art gallery, and I've mentioned the possibility to him, but he seems cool to
> the idea right now. I think that with more archival, large format digital
> printing, it will be accepted just like litho was. As for a digital
> "original", maybe in the future they will have some way to etch the data on
> a near-eternal substrate with a 2000-year minimum life, and then destroy all
> copies of the digital file, certifiying it's uniqueness and originality. Who
> knows?

I've sold printouts from my epson printer to folks at conventions over the
last year (for a greatly reduced fee in comparison to original art
naturally) seeing as unlike other artists in this biz I have virtually no
art to sell, and I found that many of them actually preferred having
something which is almost disposable. Comments I got back were from folks
who wouldn't buy original art in case it got chewed by the cat etc...of
course this is a different market to the art gallery crowd, but I can
certainly see some cross fertilisation especially with printing technology
progressing the way it is...

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