Painter 4 question
Brandon Blatcher
and white line art above that, and I'd like to create a new floater on top
of all where I can paint with White to create highlights for the
watercolors but I can't seem to be able to make a plain/transparent
floater like making a new layer in Photoshop. I make sure just the canvas
is selected and then chose Float, but I get a floater filled with white.
How can I go about creating a new/transparent floater which I then add
paint to? Thanks in advance!
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-Brandon
dlf...@my-dejanews.com
The quick & easy method is to paste a copy of that floater into a new
document, drop it, make your alterations, use the selection tools to select
and re-float it, and paste it back into the original. You might want to have
the selection in place before making alterations so you can control spillover
(have the selection saved for reuse). This method allows you the most
control over the alterations, but it also changes your line art so you might
want to keep the old floater hidden in the original document just in case you
need it for something later.
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Brandon Blatcher
>In article <nomadic-0101...@host-209-214-98-66.sav.bellsouth.net>,
> nom...@bellsouth.net (Brandon Blatcher) wrote:
>> I'm using the watercolor brush on the canvas, I have a floater of black
>> and white line art above that, and I'd like to create a new floater on top
>> of all where I can paint with White to create highlights for the
>> watercolors but I can't seem to be able to make a plain/transparent
>> floater like making a new layer in Photoshop. I make sure just the canvas
>> is selected and then chose Float, but I get a floater filled with white.
>> How can I go about creating a new/transparent floater which I then add
>> paint to? Thanks in advance!
>
> The quick & easy method is to paste a copy of that floater into a new
>document, drop it, make your alterations, use the selection tools to select
>and re-float it, and paste it back into the original. You might want to have
>the selection in place before making alterations so you can control spillover
>(have the selection saved for reuse).
What's spillover?
>This method allows you the most
>control over the alterations, but it also changes your line art so you might
>want to keep the old floater hidden in the original document just in case you
>need it for something later.
No, I want to be able to paint over the line art AND the watercolors
without having to dry the watercolors, not just alter the line art. The
line art is a low rez proxy anyway that'll swap out for the high rez one
once I take it back to Photoshop.
There *should* be a way to do this right, a way to make a new floater that
is empty and transparent and then you add paint on it as you see fit. The
question is how?
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-Brandon
Martye
'Floater' and then 'transparent layer'.
Having said that, it should be noted that 'transparent layers in Painter and
layers in PhotoShop are not the same thing. To paint on a transparent layer
in Painter you need to be using the 'transparent layer' brushes. Some other
brushes like the image hose can be made to react with the transparent layer
in various ways. You can paint on the whole transparent layer by painting
in the layer's mask, but then it's no longer transparent.
~Martye~
BTW - all the instructions are for Painter5. I'm not sure how well they'll
translate to P4.
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nom...@bellsouth.net (Brandon Blatcher) wrote:
> > The quick & easy method is to paste a copy of that floater into a new
> >document, drop it, make your alterations, use the selection tools to select
> >and re-float it, and paste it back into the original. You might want to have
> >the selection in place before making alterations so you can control spillover
> >(have the selection saved for reuse).
>
> What's spillover?
Painting outside the edges of the object accidentally. A floater has mask
data which tells you what part is transparent and what is not (and how much).
Using a source-derived selection in the above method insures that when you
edit and re-float, the resulting floater's image mask will be the same as
when you dropped it. If you generated a new selection _after_ editing, it
would almost certainly be different from the original one, altering the
shape. (Picture editing a planet floater using this method, where the
object's shape must remain round when re-floated.)
> No, I want to be able to paint over the line art AND the watercolors
> without having to dry the watercolors, not just alter the line art. The
> line art is a low rez proxy anyway that'll swap out for the high rez one
> once I take it back to Photoshop.
>
> There *should* be a way to do this right, a way to make a new floater that
> is empty and transparent and then you add paint on it as you see fit. The
> question is how?
Ok, you didn't mention that previously... The short answer is, no you
can't do it like you want. The reason is that watercolor brushes only draw
into the "wet layer", which is a special kind of floater for emulating
watercolor effects. (If you have an active wet layer and draw on the image
with a non-watercolor brush, it will draw on the underlying background only.)
So you're wanting to simultaneously draw on the wet layer and a floater? It
won't work because watercolor brushes cannot draw on a floater. The kicker
is that if you drop that line-art floater it will drop down onto the
background. You'll have to 'dry' the canvas before you do the drop to merge
properly.
Perhaps you could drop a copy of the floater onto the canvas prior to the
watercolor work (after making sure they both have the same X/Y position). I
read the part about using the floater as a proxy, but if that's so, why do
you need to edit it at all if it's just a placeholder? What's the point to
doing watercolor work on it if you are going to swap it out in Photoshop?
I'm missing something here...
At any rate, I can suggest a resource that will better help you understand
working on Painter's floaters: Go over to DigArts Software
(http://www.gardenhose.com/) and get the Painting Nature with Nozzles
tutorial from the downloads section. It's a walk-through on using the image
hose on multiple layers. (It covers both Painter 4 and 5.) Reading it might
help you figure out a work around.