markets?
Joe
the Northeast Yankee country, things couldn't be any worse.
Joe
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Same in Texas, only thing moving is pulp for OSB.
mhagen
Pulp is fair, DF sawlogs are low. Alder is still up though not on the
ceiling any more. Even the real estate cuts have about stopped. Its a
good time for instream LWD restoration if you do that in your area.
WildernessGuy
around here. Redwood is down to around $700/thousand and Douglas Fir
is around $400/1000.
D. Staples
"WildernessGuy" <Wildern...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Pretty bad here in Northern California. Logging has all but stopped
> around here. Redwood is down to around $700/thousand and Douglas Fir
> is around $400/1000.
Southern Yellow Pine prices in Texas have dropped 47% since the first of the
year.
Larry Caldwell
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Firewood prices have jumped 50%.
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Joe
"Larry Caldwell" <firstnamel...@peaksky.com> wrote in message
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Larry Caldwell
says...
> Larry, are you referring to firewood stumpage or delivered firewood?
Delivered. This is really the first time I have ever heard the phrase
"firewood stumpage," though firewood is normally the highest value
product you can manufacture from most species of hardwood.
Firewood is a product for the small woodland owner. The big industrial
outfits would quickly run out of labor, while a small woodland owner can
buy half a dozen chainsaws, hire a dozen Mexicans, and net several
hundred dollars a day.
I know one old machinist who built a firewood mill. He set up a 4'
swing saw, and a really fast hydraulic splitter, plus conveyors to move
the wood from saw to splitter and from splitter to a dump truck.
However, he needs reasonably straight, fairly small logs. His operation
is labor efficient but leaves a lot of slash.
Unfortunately, a chunk of the runup in firewood prices is the result of
trucking the product to market. However, even at $200 a cord, firewood
is half the cost of heating oil.
Joe
firewood is way up- loggers aren't paying more for "firewood on the stump"
(at least here in central New England) than they have for decades- since
there's so much available wood and most owners don't have a clue that it's
worth more- if they all held out for a price increase, the wood cutters
could pay more to the owner without any further increase in their sale
price.
Joe
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mhagen
buyers, its getting to be a fair price for the producers. Firewood
making is not mechanized up here yet. When I've done firewood sales in
the past, its always involved heroic work for a Type A sort of guy, and
they inevitably burn out from the labor. You need to find a way to
containerize the wood from field to town to be efficient.
When you do find a cheapo load in the grocery store parking lot theres a
good chance its stolen - its an easy hit for meth freaks.
Joe
usually a by product of timber sales and there are few timber sales
occurring now. As long as you aren't too far from the pulp mill, since
trucking costs are so high. This is how many loggers are weathering the
downturn- cutting firewood and pulp and still paying next to nothing to the
forest owners for the wood.
Joe
"mhagen" <mha...@nospamolympus.net> wrote in message
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Larry Caldwell
says...
> The point I was getting to is that - though the sale price of delivered
> firewood is way up- loggers aren't paying more for "firewood on the stump"
> (at least here in central New England) than they have for decades- since
> there's so much available wood and most owners don't have a clue that it's
> worth more- if they all held out for a price increase, the wood cutters
> could pay more to the owner without any further increase in their sale
> price.
A savvy owner can get around that by doing the traditional shares. 2
cords for the cutter, 1 cord for the owner is the traditional split.
You still have to sell the wood, but the price for the trees is set by
the market, not by the cutter.
You can adjust the price if the firewood cut does stand improvement. I
love the way an area looks after I cut the firewood out of it, and the
timber really takes off.
Joe
length or processed?
Joe
"Larry Caldwell" <firstnamel...@peaksky.com> wrote in message
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Larry Caldwell
says...
> Larry, with your system- does the cutter deliver that 1 cord to you- full
> length or processed?
The cord is left processed (cut and split) on site, usually in little
piles all over the wood lot.
Joe
Joe
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