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Larry Harrell

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Dec 3, 2008, 10:18:39 AM12/3/08
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Here's a link to an interesting article about Pyne's new book, which
blasts both the economic world and the eco-world for mismanaging their
(our) resources.

http://westinstenv.org/sosf/2008/12/02/the-pyric-moral-hazard/

Lefty foresters should check out the rest of the site to see what a
right-wing environmental website looks like....LOL

Larry

PS New Yosemite pics on my blog ------> http://LHFotoware.blogspot.com

mhagen

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Dec 3, 2008, 11:33:17 AM12/3/08
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That's an excellent essay. He should submit it to the Wall Street
Journal op-ed page.

Joe

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Dec 4, 2008, 9:57:43 AM12/4/08
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people who build in fire prone areas should pay for prescribed burning in
their neighborhoods


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Joe

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Dec 5, 2008, 9:28:39 AM12/5/08
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Yuh, how about in California, all those fancy houses all over the hillsides-
why don't they all contribute to periodic prescribed burns? Out of control
fires cost billions in damage. I should think a prescribed burn consulting
firm could make a fortune out there.


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Larry Harrell

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Dec 5, 2008, 10:39:20 AM12/5/08
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Maybe you could be Oprah's personal forester, as her mansion was in
danger ;^)

What good does it do to clear your land when the adjacent Federal
lands are hopelessly overgrown? If you're a celebrity, you call in
some "favors" and get some work done close by. If you're a regular
citizen, you hope that the next fire will stay inside the lines on the
map (which it never seems to do). There hasn't been a commercial
logging program in southern California for 2 decades now. The bed has
been made and people gotta sleep sometime.

I wonder what liability insurance would cost for a company that burns
tiny little patches of a big haystack in a high rent district. The
Forest Service has proven that it can't manage the fuels with just
fire. They've even tried flying out fuels with a helicopter and that
proved to just be an expensive drop in the bucket. I guess America is
stuck with a disaster they can't pay for, eh?

Larry

D. Staples

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Dec 5, 2008, 11:06:02 AM12/5/08
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Joe wrote:
> Yuh, how about in California, all those fancy houses all over the
> hillsides- why don't they all contribute to periodic prescribed burns?
> Out of control fires cost billions in damage. I should think a
> prescribed burn consulting firm could make a fortune out there.
>
>
> "Joe" <xxz...@xxyyzzqztrg.com> wrote in message
> news:gh8r9c$41e$1...@aioe.org...
>> people who build in fire prone areas should pay for prescribed burning
>> in their neighborhoods
>>

Nah, that would require some one out there to actually understand fire,
and the environmental relationship to the plants.

Joe

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Dec 5, 2008, 4:20:59 PM12/5/08
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Oprah could afford to pay for every acre of needed controlled burn in North
America- she's a billionaire. Let her and the other rich pay for all of it,
private and public land.


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Larry Caldwell

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Dec 10, 2008, 10:11:34 AM12/10/08
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In article <4010823b-af57-4e97-8082-ec190dfde358
@d42g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, lhfot...@hotmail.com (Larry Harrell)
says...

> What good does it do to clear your land when the adjacent Federal
> lands are hopelessly overgrown? If you're a celebrity, you call in
> some "favors" and get some work done close by. If you're a regular
> citizen, you hope that the next fire will stay inside the lines on the
> map (which it never seems to do). There hasn't been a commercial
> logging program in southern California for 2 decades now. The bed has
> been made and people gotta sleep sometime.

You may recall that the Biscuit fire did a good job of staying within
the lines on a map. As soon as it burned onto private lands, the land
owners put it out. Of course, the adjacent land owners managed their
forests, had fire access roads that acted as pre-built fire breaks, etc.

I'm not in favor of moving all the private management practices onto
federal lands. I really wish the industrial owners would cut back on
chemical applications. However, they do a lot just with planting and
thinning that would produce a lot of wood and drastically reduce fire
danger.

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