EB Falcon - How to disable ABS brakes?
John
How can I disable the ABS brakes on my EB Falcon?
I'm sick to death of hitting small bumps in the road (or twigs) under
braking and almost rolling on into the car in front. It's only a matter of
time before I roll into another car.
Any help would be appreciated.
Regards
John
Serialpest
3f706319$0$20475$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au, "John"
<knight_j...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Have you considered using the 2 second rule? I hear it increases your safety
margin.
Yours in Christ,
Serialpest.
Falcon Freak
pull the harness from the ECU. That will do the trick. However your car will
have spongy brakes as the ABS hydraulic modulator introduces some 'slack'
into the hydraulic system. Therefore your car with the ABS deactivated will
not brake the same as a non ABS equipped Falcon.
Again I do not recommend that anybody does this.
FF
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Steve
than the ABS brakes BUT there are only a very few race drivers can do it and
even fewer non-race drivers. The ABS is a good system for the masses and
provided optimum braking under most conditions and also retains steering
under heavy braking. ABS does have its limitations in gravel only.
If you disconnect the ABS and you have a brake related accident, I think
that you will find that you have insurance company problems.
As suggested before, drive to the 2 second rule and look way ahead by more
than a couple of car lengths to see what is going on and you will not have
to use the ABS function. By looking way ahead and scanning from the horizon
to close up frequently, you will see problems ahead that will give you time
to do something about without emergency braking.
--
Steve Subritzky
Bribie Island
Queensland
Australia
2001 V6 Landrover Freelander
2000 Landcruiser 78 series pop-top camper
Web site http://steveandchris.netfirms.com
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Brenden Will
Brenden
"John" <knight_j...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
John
ABS is general is probably great. We had a hire car in the USA with ABS and
it was sensational. But the system fitted to the EB Falcon is an absolute
piece of garbage. When you hit the smallest bump in the road (or a twig)
while breaking even modestly hard, the ABS releases ALL wheels, the brake
pedal sinks towards the floor, and the car races forward. It takes a long
time for it to "reapply" braking, by which time you have already paniced and
pressed the pedal deeper toward the floor. If you are going fast enough the
cycle repeats itself...
The ABS we had on the hire car in the USA pulsated the brakes on/off very
very rapidly. This system was excellent.
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John
Thanks FF
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John
Thanks Brenden
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D Walford
>
> ABS is general is probably great. We had a hire car in the USA with ABS and
> it was sensational. But the system fitted to the EB Falcon is an absolute
> piece of garbage. When you hit the smallest bump in the road (or a twig)
> while breaking even modestly hard, the ABS releases ALL wheels, the brake
> pedal sinks towards the floor, and the car races forward. It takes a long
> time for it to "reapply" braking, by which time you have already paniced and
> pressed the pedal deeper toward the floor. If you are going fast enough the
> cycle repeats itself...
>
Sounds like you have a problem with your brakes that needs looking at,
the amount of time that the ABS "releases" the brakes should only be
long enough to prevent lockup, not long enough for the car to "race
forward".
Disabling the ABS may be a simple as removing a fuse but I would only do
this as a temporary measure.
Daryl
Tazman
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Get the Brakes checked as there is something wrong with them....
I drove a EB Falcon for 3 years and had no problems at all with the ABS (and
yes on some fairly banged up roads too)
I would not go messing with the breaking system, as if something goes wrong
and you do hit and kill someone, you could be up for serious charges... And
you insurance would be nul and void..
Would you want the death of someone one your hands, just because you could
not be stuffed getting the system fixed and just disabled it???
I know I would not.....
m@w8
>
> I'm sick to death of hitting small bumps in the road (or twigs) under
> braking and almost rolling on into the car in front. It's only a matter of
> time before I roll into another car.
I remember years back some farmers in brand new Landcruisers hitting gates
and fences because on mud the ABS wouldn't let the wheels stop rotating. It
wasn't calibrated to work on mud.
In your case however, the ABS should certainly be calibrated to work on
rough road surfaces, so I'd get it checked out.
m@w8
and
> it was sensational. But the system fitted to the EB Falcon is an absolute
> piece of garbage. When you hit the smallest bump in the road (or a twig)
> while breaking even modestly hard, the ABS releases ALL wheels, the brake
> pedal sinks towards the floor, and the car races forward. It takes a long
> time for it to "reapply" braking, by which time you have already paniced
and
> pressed the pedal deeper toward the floor. If you are going fast enough
the
> cycle repeats itself...
Definitely something wrong. My bro-in-law has an EB XR6 and it certainly
doesn't do that!
Get it looked at before you have an accident.
> The ABS we had on the hire car in the USA pulsated the brakes on/off very
> very rapidly. This system was excellent.
As are most ABS systems.
aussieblu
the disk, pad brand, tyre combination.
The pads that were on when I got the car did this but fitting
bendix premium and new tyres (the old ones were wide pricey ones
but I can't recall the details) have fixed it. I also hear
slotted disks work. The first Australian Ford ABS systems were
less than perfect in this regard. I would try new pads first.
--
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Blue
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John
"D Walford" <walf...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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Ok. Thanks Daryl.
John
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Okay. That's interesting. I will get Ford to check it. I've read other posts
of people complaining of similar behaviour to mine, so maybe it's a common
problem.
John
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Thanks. I'll get it checked out.
John
I already have Bendix pads and good tyres (Dunlop LM901's)
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Richard Fay
>
> ABS is general is probably great. We had a hire car in the USA with ABS
and
> it was sensational. But the system fitted to the EB Falcon is an absolute
> piece of garbage. When you hit the smallest bump in the road (or a twig)
> while breaking even modestly hard, the ABS releases ALL wheels, the brake
> pedal sinks towards the floor, and the car races forward.
Two things...
1. Make sure your shock absorbers are ok. A faulty one will affect braking
distances alot. It could cause your abs to activate if it can't maintain the
tyres grip on the road.
2. The EB ABS is three channel. It controls each front wheel independently
and the rear two as a pair.
Therefore it should only release the actual wheel that has lost grip.
So there may be a problem with your brakes/abs.
Clockmeister
Probably because the ABS system on the Falcon is a complete piece of shit if
it can cause that sort of behaviour on the road.
That could never happen on a Commodore or any other vehicle that has a
proper ABS implementation, ever.
Regards,
Clockmeister.
John
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Thanks Richard. I'm going to get it checked out.
John
"Clockmeister" <no-...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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I agree
Noddy
"Clockmeister" <no-...@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:3f730517$0$95044
> Probably because the ABS system on the Falcon is a complete piece of shit
if
> it can cause that sort of behaviour on the road.
Agreed.
The Falcon's ABS has never been great, but it does sound like this one's got
problems.
I'd be getting it looked at if I owned it.
Regards,
Noddy.
D Walford
>
> Probably because the ABS system on the Falcon is a complete piece of shit if
> it can cause that sort of behaviour on the road.
>
> That could never happen on a Commodore or any other vehicle that has a
> proper ABS implementation, ever.
>
It wouldn't happen on a Commodore because you wouldn't be silly enough
to bother with the brake pedal because you would know that it does stuff
all except feel like you have put your foot into a bucket of shit:-)
I've driven most model Commodores and the only one whose brakes don't
feel very dodgy is my mates VX Acclaim.
Daryl
Kieron
<no-...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>Probably because the ABS system on the Falcon is a complete piece of shit if
>it can cause that sort of behaviour on the road.
>
>That could never happen on a Commodore or any other vehicle that has a
>proper ABS implementation, ever.
>
LOL
m@w8
But most people don't notice because they don't have a point of reference.
I never thought Commy brakes were that bad until I got the Vectra.
D Walford
>
> > It wouldn't happen on a Commodore because you wouldn't be silly enough
> > to bother with the brake pedal because you would know that it does stuff
> > all except feel like you have put your foot into a bucket of shit:-)
> > I've driven most model Commodores and the only one whose brakes don't
> > feel very dodgy is my mates VX Acclaim.
>
> But most people don't notice because they don't have a point of reference.
> I never thought Commy brakes were that bad until I got the Vectra.
My first experience driving a VT was on the day they were released for
sale.
It was a V8 Berlina and as it was a GMH owned car it was "tested"
properly despite only having 200klms on the odo.
At the first serious braking test the pedal went straight to the floor,
the car stood on its nose and stopped OK but a pedal that goes to the
floor does not inspire confidence.
My VK always suffered excessive pedal travel and Holden's technical
people said that it was normal and nothing can be done to fix it.
VX seems to be OK, it only took them 20+yrs to fix the problem of poor
pedal feel.
Daryl
Dan---
>
> It was a V8 Berlina and as it was a GMH owned car it was "tested"
> properly despite only having 200klms on the odo.
> At the first serious braking test the pedal went straight to the floor,
> the car stood on its nose and stopped OK but a pedal that goes to the
> floor does not inspire confidence.
Not a nice feeling isn't it. I remember driving an old Datsun E20 van.
Oh yeah a steepish hill im gonna go down i'll apply some of the brakes
hmmm sink sink getting faster by the second. I just kept calm at the
same time and used the gears and the hand brake to slow down. Finally
got to a stop and got the hell out of the van. :-)
Clockmeister
Standing still, yes the pedal feels soft but on the road where it counts the
stopping power is good.
Falcon brakes have always been shoddy.
Regards,
Clockmeister.
Clockmeister
D Walford
>
> Standing still, yes the pedal feels soft but on the road where it counts the
> stopping power is good.
>
> Falcon brakes have always been shoddy.
>
Please define "shoddy".
Of the Falcons I've owned (3) or had as company cars (10) the only one
that had sub standard brakes was a 1969 XW with drums all round.
No problems with stopping or servicablity.
I've only owned one Commodore (VK) and the brakes were hopeless.
Daryl
Forg
...
>>Falcon brakes have always been shoddy.
> Please define "shoddy".
> Of the Falcons I've owned (3) or had as company
> cars (10) the only one that had sub standard
> brakes was a 1969 XW with drums all round.
> No problems with stopping or servicablity.
He could be referring to feel; with The Parents overseas,
I'm borrowing their cars in rotation & leaving the Volvo at
their place. Dad's ED's brakes have always felt realy
"blearch" compared to the 12-years-older Volvo & the
Liberty; I'm pretty sure in the front of my mind that
they're going to pull me up as desired & required, but they
still feel unsettlingly firm & unresponsive.
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this crazy Forg surrounds me
..."
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Toby Ponsenby
> D Walford wrote:
> ...
> >>Falcon brakes have always been shoddy.
> ...
> > Please define "shoddy".
> > Of the Falcons I've owned (3) or had as company
> > cars (10) the only one that had sub standard
> > brakes was a 1969 XW with drums all round.
> > No problems with stopping or servicablity.
> ...
>
> He could be referring to feel; with The Parents overseas,
> I'm borrowing their cars in rotation & leaving the Volvo at
> their place. Dad's ED's brakes have always felt realy
> "blearch" compared to the 12-years-older Volvo & the
> Liberty; I'm pretty sure in the front of my mind that
> they're going to pull me up as desired & required, but they
> still feel unsettlingly firm & unresponsive.
I recall the days that GM 'redesigned' the braking system of their Holdens.
Can't remember the model, but they blathered on for ages about it.
And the redesign?
Getting the brake pedal somewhere close to the height of the accelerator.
as if it was some new and revolutionary feature.
I guess it was, if you believed, like they had for ages, they it was OK to
lift your foot 100 MM from throttle idle position before you could move it
across to get to the brake pedal. Idiots.
I wonder if Ford is still featuring that with their F series trucks?
--
Toby
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur
Forg
...
>> He could be referring to feel; with The Parents
>> overseas, I'm borrowing their cars in rotation
>> & leaving the Volvo at their place.
> So they'll come back to find property values in
> the street down 25%? :)
...
It's quite a nice street ... you've cottoned onto my little
real-estate investment plan ...
[Now, dammit, why couldn't it be hot this weekend so I can
enjoy the fact of driving a car with A/C?!]
D Walford
>
> D Walford wrote:
> ...
> >>Falcon brakes have always been shoddy.
> ...
> > Please define "shoddy".
> > Of the Falcons I've owned (3) or had as company
> > cars (10) the only one that had sub standard
> > brakes was a 1969 XW with drums all round.
> > No problems with stopping or servicablity.
> ...
>
> He could be referring to feel; with The Parents overseas,
> I'm borrowing their cars in rotation & leaving the Volvo at
> their place. Dad's ED's brakes have always felt realy
> "blearch" compared to the 12-years-older Volvo & the
> Liberty; I'm pretty sure in the front of my mind that
> they're going to pull me up as desired & required, but they
> still feel unsettlingly firm & unresponsive.
>
Maybe its a question of choice but I've always prefered the firm pedal
feel of the Falcon to the mushy feel of the Commodore.
Daryl
daryl...@arach.net.au
>
> How can I disable the ABS brakes on my EB Falcon?
>
> I'm sick to death of hitting small bumps in the road (or twigs) under
> braking and almost rolling on into the car in front. It's only a matter of
> time before I roll into another car.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Regards
>
> John
>
>
Personally I think it's a bad idea to get rid of the ABS.
Also, if you're hitting a small bump (or twig!) in the road and just about
hitting the dude in front of you... surely that makes you think, 'Duh, maybe
I'm a bit close to the folks in front.'
Gaining or losing features doesn't make a good driver. I think you're
blaming the car for your own driving abilities.
Just my piece.
daryl
John
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How about this scenario Mr Daryl (which happened the other day). I was
travelling downhill on a steep driveway which had a speedbump. I braked for
the speedbump, but the wheel ran over a twig, ABS kicked in, brakes
released, next thing I accelerate downhill into the speed bump!!! Not very
nice...
Anyway, from what everyone else says, it's clearly a problem specific to my
car, and I'm going to get them checked.
Noddy
"John" <knight_j...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3f75c4c9$0$10355
> How about this scenario Mr Daryl (which happened the other day). I was
> travelling downhill on a steep driveway which had a speedbump. I braked
for
> the speedbump, but the wheel ran over a twig, ABS kicked in, brakes
> released, next thing I accelerate downhill into the speed bump!!! Not very
> nice...
Your car's got problems that need to be addressed pronto, before you kill
yourself or someone else...
Regards,
Noddy.
Kieron
thought you where talking tongue in cheek and making a typical cap
backwards VL driving Holden fan statement :)
Clockmeister
he he
Regards,
Clockmeister.