Why do 'some' wines cause leg cramps?
Dee Randall
Interestingly, there are some wines that we purchase that will cause leg
cramps in both my husband and me.
We keep a list of wines and always note the ones that do give us cramps.
Since there are so many wines available, it doesn't pain us to give up one
that causes cramps.
Last night we had a wine that we both liked, and it caused cramps. I hate
to give this one up.
Selvapiana 2006 Chianti $22 or $17
What the hey causes cramps in certain wines?
Dee Dee
DaleW
Wow, that's a new one on me. Will be interested to see responses from
some of our more scientific members. I know of lack of oxygen, lack of
certain minerals, etc being listed as causes of cramps.
Sorry for your evening!
Zeppo_m
Dee Dee,
Perhaps the wine is interacting with one of your meds? Do you take any blood
pressure or cholesterol medications? They usually come with warnings about
mixing with alcohol.
Jon
Dee Randall
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This has happened over the course of decades to both spouse and myself. 95%
of the time we both get them from the same bottle, and usually price has
nothing to do with it, nor country of origin.
He takes no medications and I take a couple, but my meds have changed
numerous times over the years.
Thanks for your reply, John.
Dee Dee
Dee Randall
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On Oct 18, 10:38?am, "Dee Randall" <deedo...@shentel.net> wrote:
> Interestingly, there are some wines that we purchase that will cause leg
> cramps in both my husband and me.
>
> We keep a list of wines and always note the ones that do give us cramps.
> Since there are so many wines available, it doesn't pain us to give up one
> that causes cramps.
>
> to give this one up.
> Selvapiana 2006 Chianti $22 or $17
>
> What the hey causes cramps in certain wines?
>
> Dee Dee
Wow, that's a new one on me. Will be interested to see responses from
some of our more scientific members. I know of lack of oxygen, lack of
certain minerals, etc being listed as causes of cramps.
Sorry for your evening!
:-)) The evening was great -- the resulting cramps begin about 4 a.m.
Thanks for your reply.
Dee Dee
James Silverton
It's a statistic of one I know that I've never had cramps from wine but
it the possibility of drug interactions seems most likely. I've usually
not paid much attention to the common "don't take with alcohol
warnings" but perhaps I should.
--
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
Lawrence Leichtman
"Dee Randall" <deed...@shentel.net> wrote:
I really love the Selvapina and haven't had a cramp yet. Not sure what
in there would give you leg cramps. Perhaps the sulfur content is higher
in Selvapina. Not sure why that would cause leg cramps but I am stumped
as to any other reason. Are the other wines Chianti's?
Martin Field
"Dee Randall" <deed...@shentel.net> wrote in message
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and "leg cramps" and it came up with nearly 80,000 hits.
I glossed over a few sites and things like dehydration (as a possible cause)
and vitamin b12 (as a possible cure) get a mention.
Happy googling.
Cheers!
Martin
Dee Randall
"Lawrence Leichtman" <la...@lleichtman.org> wrote in message
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Yes, we've been drinking all kinds of wine since the early 70's. Some wines
cause it, some wines don't. Many years no meds, some meds, some different
meds, depending upon circumstances. We see no meds connection, no food
connection; only that some wines give us leg cramps.
Thanks for your response.
Dee Dee
Dee Randall
"Martin Field" <one...@liamezo.moc.ua> wrote in message
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Thanks, Martin. I did my googling, too. We've tried all sorts of vitamins.
Magnesium and calcium will help. DH will take quinine because he gets
cramps worse than I do. Certainly aren't life threatening ;-)) but I would
like to know what is in certain wines that are not in others that may cause
this.
Dee Dee
cwdjrxyz
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> > "Dee Randall" <deedo...@shentel.net> wrote in message
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> >> Interestingly, there are some wines that we purchase that will cause leg
> >> cramps in both my husband and me.
>
> >> We keep a list of wines and always note the ones that do give us cramps.
> >> Since there are so many wines available, it doesn't pain us to give up
> >> one that causes cramps.
>
> >> Last night we had a wine that we both liked, and it caused cramps. I
> >> hate to give this one up.
> >> Selvapiana 2006 Chianti $22 or $17
>
> >> What the hey causes cramps in certain wines?
>
> >> Dee Dee
> > I've never heard of wine causing leg cramps but I googled the phrase wine
> > and "leg cramps" and it came up with nearly 80,000 hits.
>
> > I glossed over a few sites and things like dehydration (as a possible
> > cause) and vitamin b12 (as a possible cure) get a mention.
>
> > Happy googling.
>
> > Cheers!
> > Martin
>
> Thanks, Martin. I did my googling, too. We've tried all sorts of vitamins.
> Magnesium and calcium will help. DH will take quinine because he gets
> cramps worse than I do. Certainly aren't life threatening ;-)) but I would
> like to know what is in certain wines that are not in others that may cause
> this.
I wonder if other drinks might cause cramps. For instance, quality
vodka is about as pure alcohol diluted with water as people drink. If
vodka causes cramps, the alcohol would be a prime suspect. Does beer
cause cramps. The profile of various compounds in beer is quite
different from that for wine. Finally malt whiskey and quality aged
brandy have many compounds in addition to alcohol, and thus might
cause cramps when vodka does not.
Richard Neidich
excess in potassium?
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Dee Randall
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I don't know whether you're addressing my problem, or speaking in general;
but I'll take a stab at an answer in case you were asking if we use other
drinks that may cause cramps.
No, we don't drink any other alcohol, except a beer perhaps once a month or
less; no hard liquor at all. We have made no connection to cramps at all.
cwdjrxyz
> "cwdjrxyz" <spamtr...@cwdjr.info> wrote in message
> I don't know whether you're addressing my problem, or speaking in general;
> but I'll take a stab at an answer in case you were asking if we use other
> drinks that may cause cramps.
> No, we don't drink any other alcohol, except a beer perhaps once a month or
> less; no hard liquor at all. We have made no connection to cramps at all.
See http://www.theorganicwinecompany.com/sulfites.php
WHO IS AT RISK?
The FDA says only about .4% of the population, or about a million
people, is considered highly allergic to sulfites. According to Dr.
Vincent Marinkovich, an allergist and clinical immunologist who has
performed extensive research on SO 2, sulfites pose no danger to about
99.75% of the population; the highest risk group are asthmatics (about
5% of the population) and only about 5% of this group is allergic to
sulfites.
Many people, however, have little tolerance for sulfites. They are
considered sulfite-sensitive. Even for moderate wine drinkers, the
average level of sulfites found in many commercial wines can cause
heartburns or other side effects. Unpleasant reactions include burning
sensations, hives, cramps, and flushing of the skin.
One can find other references to drinking wine and leg cramps.
However, being the web, one can write just about anything, correct or
incorrect. I would be more comfortable if I had a reference to a paper
in a respected scientific or medical jounal that uses the usual peer
review. It could be that you are part of the larger group of people
that have little tolerance for sulfites, but do not have a highly
allergic reaction to them. The amount of sulfites can differ greatly
in different wines and has no necessary relation to the quality of the
wine. I would expect an old wine to have less free sulfites than a
young one. If one drank the sediment in an old wine, that might not be
true. Likely headaches are a more common symptom of mild sulfite
intolerance than are leg cramps.
John T
answer is the standard response, if something causes unpleasant sfx, avoid
it.
JT
Michael Pronay
> Interestingly, there are some wines that we purchase that will
> cause leg cramps in both my husband and me.
Dee, can't say anything about which type of wine causes cramps,
but you said that magnesium helps.
I regularly take one magnesium tablet, once a day in the morning.
Sometimes I do wake up with cramps, then I put an magnesium
effervescence tablet into a glass of water and drink it. Maybe
you might try to do this on a regular basis, before (or after)
drinking wine?
M.
Dee Randall
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column where I make comments does include a "do not buy again." and "Causes
leg cramps."
FWIW - Spouse had them last night. That bottle 'begone.'
Dee Randall
See http://www.theorganicwinecompany.com/sulfites.php
WHO IS AT RISK?
I always suspect the intolerance of sulfites in anything I consume. I'm the
one who can get really flushed and hives, whereas the spouse doesn't have
these reactions, but we enjoy together the reaction of leg cramps ;-))
I have rare headaches from wine after I stopped drinking white wine, as
white will give me a headache without fail. I can drink a small glass;
alas, no more than that.
Thanks for your nice response.
Dee Dee
Weatherlawyer
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> > "Dee Randall" <deedo...@shentel.net> wrote in message
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> >> There are some wines that we purchase that will cause leg
> >> cramps in both my husband and I.
>
> >> We keep a list of wines and always note the ones that give us cramps.
> >> Last night we had a wine that we both liked, and it caused cramps.
> >> I hate to give this one up.
>
>
> > and "leg cramps" and it came up with nearly 80,000 hits.
>
> > I glossed over a few sites and things like dehydration (as a possible
> > cause) and vitamin b12 (as a possible cure) get a mention.
>
> Magnesium and calcium will help. DH will take quinine because he gets
> cramps worse than I do. Certainly aren't life threatening ;-)) but I would
> like to know what is in certain wines that are not in others that may cause
> this.
I get them too.
Sometimes they are barely discernible and sometimes they are terrible.
All of them are exacerbated by alcohol. Maybe there is a reaction with
some food eaten that day maybe there is a degree of poor circulation.
Personally I have noticed that they can be felt worst with tornadic
activity. So when you see long bands of cloud stretching from hill to
hill and striations of any other sort, you had best prepare for the
worst.
These links will help you to correlate data, along with your wine
list: >
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/081021_rpts.html >
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php#listtop
>
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/
Stuff in that arc from PNG to NZ seems to affect my neck and shoulder
as I have recently discovered.
So if anyone has aches and pains of that sort they too might like to
check up on these things.
There haven't been any tornadoes for quite a while now, not bad ones
at least. But I noticed similar effects might be related to the Santa
Ana adiabatic winds. (The ones that cause fires in California.)
There are postures to adopt that can ease a cramp. But relaxing at
night always seems to allow them to return. It's best to give up
thought of sleep until the spell has passed.
Walking around helps a lot. But not once an attack has started.
Dee Randall
Dee Dee
Dee Randall
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I get them too.
Yes, these things I've long suspected, as well as wine. Even rain will give
us some headaches and stiffness.
One thing that helps me is to get out of bed and put some warm, cozy socks
on.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I appreciate it.
Dee Dee
Paul E. Lehmann
You may have a condition called "Restless Leg
Syndromme" (RLS) It is a degenerative
neurological disease but not life threatening. I
have this problem. I think that alcohol can at
times make it worse. There is medication for it.
It can be detected in a sleep study. Look up RLS
and cramps on google or your favorite search
engine.
Bill Loftin
> You may have a condition called "Restless Leg
> Syndromme" (RLS) It is a degenerative
> neurological disease but not life threatening. I
> have this problem. I think that alcohol can at
> times make it worse. There is medication for it.
> It can be detected in a sleep study. Look up RLS
> and cramps on google or your favorite search
> engine.
RLS is a prime example of how the pharmaceutical industry and
the AMA run health care for a profit. You can spend a lot of
time online and not discover that there was a treatment for
RLS in the 70s that works but it didn't make money for the
big companies so doctors would not even talk about RLS.
There was a doctor in Chicago that treated it with mega doses
of folic acid ( 5G/D )The folic acid was available in Canada
for about $2.50 per 100 of 1G. I treated my RLS in 1978 and
was cured in less than 6 weeks. I think that Canada has now
conformed to US standards for this med and it is no longer
available in the big doses.
Weatherlawyer
> "Weatherlawyer" <Weatherlaw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/
>
> Stuff in that arc from PNG to NZ seems to affect my neck and shoulder
> as I have recently discovered.
>
> So if anyone has aches and pains of that sort they too might like to
> check up on these things.
>
> There haven't been any tornadoes for quite a while now, not bad ones
> at least. But I noticed similar effects might be related to the Santa
> Ana adiabatic winds. (The ones that cause fires in California.)
>
> There are postures to adopt that can ease a cramp. But relaxing at
> night always seems to allow them to return. It's best to give up
> thought of sleep until the spell has passed.
>
> Walking around helps a lot. But not once an attack has started.
>
> Yes, these things I've long suspected, as well as wine. Even rain will give
> us some headaches and stiffness.
>
> One thing that helps me is to get out of bed and put some warm, cozy socks
> on.
>
> Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I appreciate it.
Pity that discussions of this sort attract determined trolls, angry at
anyone's free thinking. It's nice to occasionally come across someone
who isn't hell bent on pulling me apart.