Cellar Distribution
Bill Spohn
countries was in my cellar.
Here is the ratios. My cellar list is hard to do totals with unless you print
it, so a number of 10 means that I have 10 different wines (a 1999 and a 2000
of the same wine counts as 2) from a particular country, and the actual amount
may range from one bottle to a couple of cases.
Australia 90 wines
Canada 90
Chile 8
France 390
Germany 24
Italy 150
New Zealand 2
Portugal 62
South Africa 13
Spain 19
USA 210
I was wondering what distributions others have?
Cwdjrx _
consider a wine different if it would merit an individual entry on a
restaurant wine list.
French - 313;
German - 142;
Italian - 42;
Hungarian - 12;
Madeira - 27;
Portugese - 31;
Spanish - 18;
US - 131;
Other Countries - 20;
The German wines mostly are auslese up, and the Hungarian are Tokaji
Aszu 5P up. The Madeira is mostly old vintage, and the Portugese is
mostly Vintage Port. I do not have as many as I once had, because I have
drunk most of my mistakes, and I am too old to buy more wines that need
very long aging. Also, the price of many top wines has increased much in
excess of inflation since I started collecting wines many years ago.
Mark Lipton
Bill Spohn wrote:
>
> I was wondering what distributions others have?
After the first two posts, I am almost too intimidated to respond, Bill! ;-)
Here's mine:
USA
Cabernet - 42
Chardonnay - 4
Merlot - 5
Pinot Noir - 42
Rhone blends - 5
Sangiovese - 7
Syrah - 7
Zinfandel - 67
France
Alsace - 6
Bandol - 4
Beaujolais - 3
Bordeaux - 38
Burgundy - 11
Chateauneuf du Pape - 41
Languedoc - 16
N. Rhone - 15
S. Rhone (not CdP) - 15
Italy - 14
Spain - 8
New Zealand - 5
Australia - 6
Austria - 5
Number of bottles ranges from 1-12, but is usually 6 or less.
Mark Lipton
Bill Spohn
You have to start bolstering the Aussie holdings, Mark - it's one of the QPR
highlights these days.
>Number of bottles ranges from 1-12, but is usually 6 or less.
Mine is similar - lots of 1-3, and I usually buy in 6 or 12, or even more if it
is really goo value.
> Bordeaux - 38
> Burgundy - 11
> Chateauneuf du Pape - 41
> Languedoc - 16
> N. Rhone - 15
> S. Rhone (not CdP) - 15
My number of different wines for those is
Bordeaux - 240
Burgundy - 22
Rhones - 116
My old DOS based program doesn't let me get all the numbers easily. Guess I
should have switched to Exell, but it seems like too much work!
Dark Helmet
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> I was wondering what distributions others have?
My meager five years of wine cellaring/collecting/fascination has led to the
following:
Argentina - 2
Australia - 16
France
Bordeaux - 12
Burgundy - 9
Languedoc - 1
Rhone - 17
Other - 3
USA
Cab - 15
Chardonay - 8
Merlot - 3
Pinot Noir - 3
Rhone - 7
Syrah - 4
Zin - 14
Colorado - 1
Washington - 6
Germany - 3
Italy - 9
New Zealand - 2
Portugal - 2
Spain - 1
Washington - 6
As usual, any wine could range from 1 to 12 bottles. I cleaned out quite a
bit of everyday wine before I moved last year, so most are on my long term
plan.
Dark Helmet
Mark Lipton
Bill Spohn wrote:
> >Australia - 6
>
> You have to start bolstering the Aussie holdings, Mark - it's one of the QPR
> highlights these days.
Alas, Bill, our "local" purveyors of fine wine tend to carry none but the most
commerical of Aussie wines. What I have is all from the Penfolds portfolio, as
even getting my hands on D'Arenberg wines is something of a problem. My other
problem is keeping the hands of SHMBO off the Bin 389 such that it gets a chance
to age. Fortunately, I've made enough low growling noises when she nears the '98
St. Henri that I still retain a few bottles...
>
>
> >Number of bottles ranges from 1-12, but is usually 6 or less.
>
> Mine is similar - lots of 1-3, and I usually buy in 6 or 12, or even more if it
> is really goo value.
Yes, as our income has increased we've begun purchasing more of our favorite wines
in larger lots, but even now springing for a case of, e.g., Beaucastel in a given
year is just too restrictive.
>
>
> My number of different wines for those is
>
> Bordeaux - 240
> Burgundy - 22
> Rhones - 116
I would have guessed something along those lines based on your tasting notes.
>
>
> My old DOS based program doesn't let me get all the numbers easily. Guess I
> should have switched to Exell, but it seems like too much work!
Ditto here. I still use an old HyperCard database I created on our home Mac many
moons ago. If it ain't broke...
Mark Lipton
Cwdjrx _
Other - 56. The "other" includes a few wines from most of the major
regions. I still keep a few bottles of Clos Sainte Hune from Alsace and
several bottles of rich late harvest wies from Alsace and the Loire. I
keep several bottles of Rhone including some Hermitage and Cote Rotie
that keeps well. At one time, before Parker and inflation, Rhones were
some of the best bargins in France, and then I bought many more for
everyday drinking. Domaine de Beaucastel was quite reasonable then, and
I often bought it. It was renamed Chateau some time ago. However it
often was so tannic and closed in youth, that I usually had to age it
several years.
I also drank many more Italian wines in the past. At one time even very
good Barolos were fairly reasonable, but the quality of Barolo in
general was all over the map. I also drank many more Australan wines in
the past when they were far more inexpensive than today - when you could
find them. Even Grange was not extremely expensive, and I still have a
bottle or two. I have bought very few California wines in the last few
years since the price of several I liked went out of control. I can now
find better value elsewhere for everyday wines.
Xyzsch
>countries was in my cellar.
France 305
Bordeaux 172 (155 red, 4 dry white, 13 sweet)
Burgundy 91 (69 red, 22 white)
Rhone 17 (15 red, 2 white)
Loire 9
Alsace 16
Italy 61
Germany 20
Austria 7
Australia 8
New Zealand 8
Canada (Ontario) 3
US 116
CA 43 (35 red, 8 white)
OR 39 (mostly pinot noir)
WA 23 (mostly red)
NY 7
CO 3
Arkansas 1
Port 20
Miscellaneous (Spain, South Africa, Argentina, Crete) 7
Tom Schellberg
Ian Hoare
le/on 10 Jan 2004 22:30:50 GMT, tu disais/you said:-
>Here is the ratios.
Very interesting breakdown.
> My cellar list is hard to do totals with unless you print it, so a number of 10 means that I have 10 different wines (a 1999 and a 2000 of the same wine counts as 2) from a particular country, and the actual amount
>may range from one bottle to a couple of cases.
I'm in exactly the same situation, so my list is to be read in the same way.
Australia 12 wines
Austria 3
Bulgaria 2
Chile 4
France 293
Germany 20
Hungary 21
Italy 3 (hanging head in shame)
New Zealand 7
Portugal 14
South Africa 1
Spain 15
Switzerland 6
UK 2
USA 8
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All the Best
Ian Hoare
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Sometimes oi just sits.
Bill Spohn
Strong in most areas, Tom, but weak in Oz - taste or availability?
And Cypress - an errant bottle of Commanderia perhaps?
Bill Spohn
What I would expect given your location and what I know of your predelictions,
but what is the large Hungarian contingent (although if it's Tokay with you,
it's Tokay with me....)
dick
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Ian Hoare
le/on 11 Jan 2004 15:30:39 GMT, I said:-
>>Hungary 21
and you asked
>What I would expect given your location and what I know of your predelictions,
>but what is the large Hungarian contingent (although if it's Tokay with you,
>it's Tokay with me....)
GROAN!!
Actually I was thinking of expanding slightly especially on my French wines,
but in the meantime, my Hungarians.
I have 5 dry whites, some gifts some bought, mostly OTT, and mostly fairly
random!
Apart from that the remaining 16 are from Tokaj and are sweet.
3 noble late harvest (roughly the OG of a 6 putts but not kept in barrel the
legal time for an Aszu. .
1 szamarodni edes
Whew. Perhaps more later.
Siobhan Leachman
myself - again working to the same rules as set out by Bill Spohn in his
original post I've come up with the following:
France - 166
Alsace - 38
Rhone - 43
Burgundy - 41
Loire - 4
Bordeaux - 31
Champagne - 9
New Zealand - 151
Spain - 5
Portugal - 13
Canada - 3
Australia - 9
Italy - 16
Hungary - 3
Germany - 45
Austria - 1
USA - 3
I live in NZ and started collecting wine here which is why it plays such a
prominent role in my cellar. It's come as quite a shock to realise I own
more French wine than New Zealand!
Regards
Siobhan
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well if you can admit it...lol...so can I.
Aust.......... 460/500
NZ............14/500
France.....15/500
Hungary...4/500
Others..... 7/500...
Admitting total bias due to....avaialbility..... cost....and
*cough*...preference..
If I could fill my celllar with Cote Roties...I would....
Regards
Swooper
Bill Spohn
>more French wine than New Zealand!
And a very healthy German component!
You should be able to give us some good comparisons of Antipodean Rieslings
with German! I was just discussing this with someone elese - I said that the
Grosset Rieslings (Watervale & Polish) from Australia are all well and good,
but not when they cost the equivalent of $50A. in Canada, instead of maybe $30
A.
In this market, you can buy very good German wines for less.
Chuck Reid
consists of the product of one country and one region therein. The larder
is severely depleted as this year's acquisition search is just now
beginning.
Canada - 91
White:
Niagara College of Technology (NCT) Chardonnay 2001 - 2
NCT Chardonnay 2002 - 9
Brock University Riesling 99 - 1. Made and bottled by initial
class of graduates from the Cool Climate Oenological
Institute (one of whom is my 2nd cousin) - label signed by
full class. Never to be drunk.
Red:
Lailey CF 2001 - 5
Peninsula Ridge CF/M 99 - 4
Southbrook CF/M 99 - 4
Inniskillin Shiraz 00 - 5
Cave Spring Cellars Gamay 00 - 7
Daniel Lenko M 00 - 6
Chateau des Charmes CF/M 00 - 14
Jackson-Triggs Meritage 98 - 8
13th St. Sandstone Meritage 98 - 12
Daniel Lenko Meritage 99 - 11
Malivoir PN 2002 - 1
Inniskillin Old Vines Foch 00 - 1
Inniskillin SLH CF 98 - 1
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Regards
Chuck
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Dale Williams
most I only have one bottle of , no more than 12 of any one):
France 220 (Bordeaux 98, Burgundy 54, Rhone 30, Loire 15, Alsace 14, rest
other- Languedoc, SW, etc)
Italy 41 (mostly Piemonte)
US 31
Germany 26
Austria 9
Portugal 7
Spain 6
Australia 6
Chile 2
Lebanon 2
This might not be totally accurate, as there are wines that haven't been
entered, and probably a few that have been consumed that I forgot to send to
archived file.
It's also not neccessarily indicative of what I drink. No NZ? I drink a fair
amount of NZ SB, but I don't enter in database, as I put immediately in the
drink rack. The Italians are mostly Piemonte, because that's what I cellar more
of, but I drink Chianti more often than Barolo. I probably drink Loire as much
as any region, but only Savennieres and sweet ones are in cellar database. And
so on.
Dale
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Cliff Brown
Mine is more geared towards Napa at the presant time. The Napa
percentage has gone down over the last year with Spain and France
picking up most of the slack.
Australia 27 wines 49 bottles
France 53 93
Germany/Austria 18 25
Italy 21 29
Napa 162 227
Other US 65 107
Portugal 1 1
South America 11 15
Spain 21 66
In the past, most of my purchases were one or two bottles. Over the
last several months I have started buying 4 to 12 bottles of the wines I
like.
These numbers will be changing when some of my imported wine on order
shows up. The Napa numbers will probably go up in May when I visit Napa
again.
--
Cliff
mjsv...@rodan.syr.edu
: I was asked the question of what the distribution of the wine of various
: countries was in my cellar.
making my own rules here, Bill, but that's only because I haven't tracked
wine purchases in a database (paper, yes) for a number of years now, but
here's the distribution:
Bordeaux 25%
Italy 25%
Rhone 15%
Burgundy 13%
Germany 5%
Loire 5%
California5%
Austria 2%
Spain 2%
Alsace 3%
Chris Lake
well I guess I should contribute m 0.02$ ---(pretty much corresponds to the
size of my cellar in comparison to some of the posts :) )
red:
italy (mostly Chianti) 35
France 17
Spain 5
Chile 4
US 3
Australia 4
Argentina 3
Portugal 1
white
France 5 (alsace and sancerre)
Italy 2
US 1
In general they are in pairs or tripples (none more than 7). Nothing old at
all i think 91 is as far back as it goes and I think ill be drinking it
soon.
..Chris
Ian Hoare
Following up on me previous post and (relying like you on an old Dos
database program) breaking down my French wines.
le/on 11 Jan 2004 01:22:00 GMT, tu disais/you said:-
>Mine is similar - lots of 1-3, and I usually buy in 6 or 12, or even more if it
>is really goo value.
I tend to buy my regulars (some bergerac and sw wines) in dozens. That said,
most are in singles!
Bordeaux 63
Burgundy 33
SW France 43
Alsace 28
Rhone 12
Bergerac 58
Loire 21
Champagne 9
Other 31
But all that will change shortly when I go to Oullins "Vin Passions" on the
24th of the month. Last year it was the most exciting wine show I've been to
for ages with about 85 to 90% of the growers there making wines that I'd
like to buy. However at the time there was no money budgeted for wine. This
year I've put aside a bit, and will be going back to buy!
>should have switched to Exell, but it seems like too much work!
Seems odd to use a spreadsheet for database purposes. But let me tell you
that Access is even worse to learn. I've played with it a couple of times,
and found it a nightmare.
Bill Spohn
>
>Seems odd to use a spreadsheet for database purposes. But let me tell you
>that Access is even worse to learn. I've played with it a couple of times,
>and found it a nightmare.
I am familiar with Excel, as I use it to keep track of my Rhododendron
'holdings' (about 800), but the thought of entering 4000 bottles of wine makes
me quail (funny, I never thought to wonder if they use caille the same way in
French....).
I agree - I've played a bit with Access and choose not to spend the time
necessary to learn it when Excel will do what I need.
Xyzsch
>
Both actually. The only upper end stuff here is Grange, Balmoral, and Roxburgh.
I have not collected them in the past, and I do not have access to tastings of
good ones here. I like Roxburgh Chardonnay, but cannot afford Grange. Big
alcoholic warm climate wines are not my cup of tea anyway. The locally
available lower end Penfolds et al seem coarse to me.
>And Cypress - an errant bottle of Commanderia perhaps?
I found this last week at the local store for $5/375 ml. I just want to try it.
Tom Schellberg
dick
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As my wife is fond of pointing out, if I stopped buying wine now and drank a
bottle every day, I'd be good for more than 10 years.......
Siobhan Leachman
riesling both on quality and price. Speaking in general here - although I
enjoy and appreciate the purity of fruit that New Zealand rieslings show at
their best, and although the Grosset rieslings are possibly my favouites of
all Australian wine - I prefer to drink good quality German riesling.
Admittedly every time I open a bottle I'm transported back to one of my
favourite OE (Overseas Experience) trips where my husband and I hired a car
(a beautiful silver coloured Mercedes) and drove around the Mosel and the
Rhine Rivers visiting wineries and exceeding our check in luggage weight
limit with our booty. So you could say I'm looking at the wine through rose
(or silver coloured) glasses.
However at the moment I must admit to drinking more New Zealand rieslings
than German . They too are price competitive (long may that continue) and I
particularly enjoy the offerings of Felton Road (a winery in Otago) as well
as Dry River (Martinborough based).
Regards
Siobhan
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