and another lil survey...
Snow
vegetarians and more! Following Cliff's post, after I replied to him (see
below) I realised that it would be interesting (for me at least) to see your
opinions on going to non-vegan/veggie restaurants and cafes.
I'm fully vegan although I have a tendancy to give restaurants and
other places the benefit of the doubt unless I know otherwise.
-Cliff-
To which I replied:
Yes, the eating out dilemma can be difficult and if you eat at non-vegan
places there will always be an element of taking their word for it. The
positive side of it is that a good way of educating people and improving
things is to continue going to these places and asking questions about the
stuff they sell.
Hopefully, eventually they'll realise that vegans aren't from another planet
and actually try to cater for us. When I think how much the vegetarian
market has grown in the last 10 - 15 years, it does give me hope! I can
remember how strange people thought vegetarians were back when I was a
(veggie) child whereas now vegetarianism is so mainstream and accepted (or
that's how it seems to me)
Lately more people do actually seem to know what a vegan is though (which is
a start!)
Donna Schakelaar
and check the options. My gauge of a chef that know his or her food is their
ability to create great food despite restrictions. The good ones have no
problem accounting for dietary restrictions.
I don't go out much except when there are work dinners as these are shouted
:-). They tend to be at good restaurants too :-D
So...
For those of you ever contemplating going to Darwin, Australia...they are no
specialist vegetarian restaurants. BUT you still can eat.
PeeWees on the Point...best outside overlooking the harbour. Tend to have 1
vegetarian option for mains or entrees :-(, but they do tend to be vegan.
Dessert has the largest range of options. Food good. Used to be overpriced
for artistic but tiny portions but the sizes have normalised without losing
the quality. Pacific Rim type cuisine. Best thing is the view.
Tim's on the Bay...Seafood restaurant, buffet style. Have vegetarian options
such as a Thai vegetarian curry and lasagne but the latter has cheese. They
have a good range of salads though. Some of the salads have ham in them
which is a real shame.
OK at a pinch for vegos as you won't starve. Easier if you are lacto-ovo as
they make vegetarian ice-cream which is really yummy.
Christos - still THE seafood restaurant and a step up from Tim's. Have moved
from the Wharf to Mitchell St. a few things on the menu but limited for
vegan options unless you phone up. If you phone up they will bend over
backwards to work out something. They did this great pasta dish and were
incredibly attentive throughout. Great service. So I wouldn't hesitate about
going back there.
Nirvana - Most things have meat or fish. Only one dish was truly vegan. I
had morning sickness at the time so I was left getting the Indian options on
the menu.
AllSorts Cafe- specialise in organic ingredients whenever possible. Great
variety as their chef is a creative one. Pacific Rim cuisine. Can cater for
vegan "no problem" and very sympathetic. Have a healthy food philosophy. One
of the best options.
The Mental Lentil - used to be the only vegetarian/vegan place in town. In
Mitchell St at the Transit Centre. Takeaway food/vegetarian fast comfort
food. Steve and I used to be there every Sunday almost whenever we got to
lazy to cook. Great Icy Fruit shakes [we used to order two each for both of
us] as well as smoothies.Vegan options took up at least half the menu and it
was good comfort food that was filling. Ideal for lunch.
Then Harry and Lou sold out :-( and the Hare Krishna lady with a record of
failed vegetarian food ventures took over. First thing we noticed was that
she swapped the glass glasses for plastic :-( and watered down the icy fruit
shakes significantly :-(((. The dhal - well, I couldn't find the lentils and
the rice was sticky when it shouldn't have been. Basically instead of
sticking with obvious successful meals and slowly adding her own options she
took everybody's favourites out and changed the rest. Haven't been back
since.
I keep hoping that Harry and Lou decide to get back into the food business.
Lovely people as well.
Kasimir Cafe - Indian cafe in Nightcliff which has no problem at all coping
with vegan requests. Always something in the buffet that is suitable. I get
my Indian takeaways from here.
Donna
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Beth
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> vegetarians and more! Following Cliff's post, after I replied to him (see
> below) I realised that it would be interesting (for me at least) to see
your
> opinions on going to non-vegan/veggie restaurants and cafes.
>
Sadly, in Tulsa (Oklahoma) there isn't a single purely vegan or vegetarian
restaurant. The only one in town closed in November because the owner
needed to spend more time with her children and she also wanted to pursue
some other opportunities. On the last night it was open the restaurant was
packed all day with "mourners" and they almost ran out of food.
We do have lots of restaurants with vegetarian options, not so many with
vegan options. So if I want to eat out, I have to patronize vegan
unfriendly places. I try to make sure the waitperson knows I'm vegan (and
usually have to explain!). Most people are very helpful about checking
ingredients and making sure us vegans don't eat something we don't want to.
This is much easier of course when eating out with at least one veg friend.
Beth
The rabbit
looking forward to eating out in an at least partiallly vegetarian society -
I had some interesting responses from this group and the
soc.culture.indian.kerala group when I queried how many restaurants here and
there use vegetable ghee - although my discussion thread there did
mysteriously disappear when I started asking how 'sacred' Indian cows
managed to have calvess and produce milk - but anyway the question still
remains as to how many of our UK Indian restaurants are non-animal ghee
users - it would be a useful database to compile -
- see you in a couple of weeks
eye of newt
Snow wrote:
>
> Thanks for all your replies to my last survey - quite a mixture of vegans,
> vegetarians and more! Following Cliff's post, after I replied to him (see
> below) I realised that it would be interesting (for me at least) to see your
> opinions on going to non-vegan/veggie restaurants and cafes.
>
since i'm severely allergic to soy, i avoid most veg*n restaurants in
this area. the only ones i can usually trust are Indian places, but i
still have to make sure they use corn oil--not soybean oil. the
little veggie place in frostburg, md, made a wonderful effort to
accomodate my allergies, though. :) they were able to scrounge
together a dish that was soy-free.
that said, i rarely go to steakhouses b/c they have very little
soy-free, vegetarian-friendly food.
there aren't a whole lot of places i trust... i've reacted more than
once to food that the waitstaff told me was soy-free... if they'll
lie/hedge about allergies in a life/death situation, they'll lie about
meat/animal derivatives. not all waitstaff do this, of course, but
it's happened far too often for me to be comfortable. i trust my best
friend (veg*n waitress at a steak house) when i eat at her place of
employment b/c she actually cares about me. i eat there so rarely,
though, that it's not really part of my decision-making process.
ygg
theSETHmeister
>I realised that it would be interesting (for me at least) to see your
>opinions on going to non-vegan/veggie restaurants and cafes.
i agree with many of the points you made however, i can't really stand
going to non-vegan restaurants. not only am i taking unnecessary
chances (and i've been screwed on more than one occasion) but frankly,
imo, i cook better food than most of these restaurants, i have more
control of what exactly goes in (fat content, etc) and my food
certainly is a better price. on occasion, it's nice to have the
service, setting, etc but i always prefer vegan if not, vegetarian
restaurants.
peace,
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theSETHmeister
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> I'm finally off to Kerala (Southern tip of India) on Sunday and am
>looking forward to eating out in an at least partiallly vegetarian society
good luck and have a great trip...i've heard wonderful things about
kerala. let us know how it went when you get back.
Snow
If I don't speak to you before you go - have an enlightening time. Hope you
don't go hungry!
See you at the airport when you return....
S
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theSETHmeister
<donn...@octa4.net.au> wrote:
>The Mental Lentil
what a great name! it's too bad it went so downhill, though.
Donna Schakelaar
>
> what a great name! it's too bad it went so downhill, though.
Absolutely tragic :-(
Donna
Tiggy
Snow (ty...@ntlworld.com) thought a bit, rubbed a chin or two, and
said...
> Thanks for all your replies to my last survey -
A pleasure :)
> I realised that it would be interesting (for me at least) to see your
> opinions on going to non-vegan/veggie restaurants and cafes.
In the UK there is a chain of restaurants under the general banner
of Harvester. They have a decent range of vegetarian options, but
for me the best thing is the salad cart. For a couple of quid (£)
it's possible to get completely stuffed on various help-yourself-to-
all-you-can-eat salady stuff. You generally have to book in advance
for the main restaurant; however they also do bar meals, for which
you can just turn up on spec. The salad cart is available with both
options, and the dressings generally have their ingredients listed
by them so you can make an informed choice. Yum! :o)
--
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If you are heated, it will cool you -
If you are depressed, it will cheer you -
If you are excited, it will calm you.
- W. E. Gladstone
MrFalafel
"The rabbit" <r.t...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
but anyway the question still
> remains as to how many of our UK Indian restaurants are non-animal
ghee
> users - it would be a useful database to compile -
> - see you in a couple of weeks
>
I've been to dozens of Indian places in the UK and always ask about
dairy ghee. Not a single one that I've asked said they use it. It's
always just vegetable oil. If you're suspicous, just look around the
back of the restaurant for those big drums of vegetable oil. It's far
cheaper and easier to store than dairy ghee.
Has anybody in the UK visited a place that uses dairy ghee?
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MrFalafel
"Snow" <ty...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Thanks for all your replies to my last survey - quite a mixture of
vegans,
> vegetarians and more! Following Cliff's post, after I replied to him
(see
> below) I realised that it would be interesting (for me at least) to
see your
> opinions on going to non-vegan/veggie restaurants and cafes.
>
I eat at veggie and non veggie places all the time. I've had
more 'accidents'(ie egg/dairy in food) at veggie places than I have had
at omni restaurants. Most veggie places are full of sprout-head
birkenstock wearing space cadets that are secure in their ovo-lacto
veggie minds that can't concieve of anybody being vegan.
I much prefer going to ethnic restaurants and ordering traditional
dishes that are always made vegan anyways. Such as now. I'm off in a
different part of Amsterdam for a conference and it's too difficult to
get to the good veggie place in town, so I'm swimming in falafels at
the moment. Fantastic. Go traditonal ethnic vegan and you're laughing.
The rabbit
big cans of animal ghee - seems a good sign !
so vegetable oil has it - cost and healthwise - I presume the chip industry
is all veggy oil now - no hidden corners of lard users up North - and the
Chinese never did use it anyway did they ?
The rabbit
birkenstock wearing space cadets that are secure in their ovo-lacto
veggie minds that can't concieve of anybody being vegan.
Interesting turn of phrase ! - what is birkenstock ?
- I'm not sure now whether keeping cows permanently pregnant is worse than
keeping them for the burger industry - in other words a vegetarian diet
causes more suffering than a carnivorous one
BIG ONE
"Has anybody in the UK visited a place that uses dairy ghee?
no can't say i have
but the home cooking often does
BIG ONE
<snip>
"I much prefer going to ethnic restaurants and ordering traditional
"dishes that are always made vegan anyways. Such as now. I'm off in a
"different part of Amsterdam for a conference and it's too difficult to
"get to the good veggie place in town, so I'm swimming in falafels at
"the moment. Fantastic. Go traditonal ethnic vegan and you're laughing.
what about the yoghurt they often tend 2 stick on before they open their ears 2
the vegan behind the counter screaming 'NO YOGHURT'
Mike Jones
chain uses old-fashioned animal fat to fry the chips in. I've also seen
die-hard chip shops oop nirth wit blud sosij and bluck pudn. (Excuse the
accent, I'm not from these parts)
Snow
> >Most veggie places are full of sprout-head
> birkenstock wearing space cadets that are secure in their ovo-lacto
> veggie minds that can't concieve of anybody being vegan.
>
> Interesting turn of phrase ! - what is birkenstock ?
Type of sandals that are typically worn by sprout heads! I think... In fact
I can imagine that you would have worn them once upon a time!
> - I'm not sure now whether keeping cows permanently pregnant is worse than
> keeping them for the burger industry - in other words a vegetarian diet
> causes more suffering than a carnivorous one
Well, I reckon there's not much to choose between them anyway. It took us
rather too long too figure that one out though didn't it? It's amazing what
a few calves can do to 25 years of smug vegetarianism!
MrFalafel
"Snow" <ty...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
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> > >Most veggie places are full of sprout-head
> > birkenstock wearing space cadets that are secure in their ovo-lacto
> > veggie minds that can't concieve of anybody being vegan.
> >
> > Interesting turn of phrase ! - what is birkenstock ?
>
> Type of sandals that are typically worn by sprout heads! I think...
In fact
> I can imagine that you would have worn them once upon a time!
>
To be fair: Birkenstock do make a couple of types of vegan sandals. I
just won't wear them out of principal.
Taemon
>I'm off in a
>different part of Amsterdam for a conference
Welcome!
> and it's too difficult to
>get to the good veggie place in town,
Which is where?
> so I'm swimming in falafels at
>the moment. Fantastic. Go traditonal ethnic vegan and you're laughing.
Try those Ethiopic restaurants. Such good food.
Greetings, T.
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T5NF
(snip)
MrFalafel:
>> and it's too difficult to
>>get to the good veggie place in town,
>
>Which is where?
Not MrFalafel but I suspect he's referring to Bolhoed at 60 Prinsengracht ...
Fritz
The rabbit
Yes - come to think of it - last year in Epping , Essex - they apologised
profusely cos everything was cooked in animal ghee - and me apologising cos
I was better off leaving
MrFalafel
Taemon
>>> and it's too difficult to
>>>get to the good veggie place in town,
>Not MrFalafel but I suspect he's referring to Bolhoed at 60 Prinsengracht
...
Thanks.
Greetings, T.
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"Probably its necessary so people don´t go around killing
each other. Ah, but then they do...Chains. Why don´t people
ever leave the room?" (Edward Ka-Spel)
T5NF
>T5NF wrote:
>
>>>> and it's too difficult to
>>>>get to the good veggie place in town,
>>Not MrFalafel but I suspect he's referring to Bolhoed at 60 Prinsengracht
>...
>
>Thanks.
>
You're welcome :-)
I only ate there once but I found it to be very enjoyable..
Fritz
T5NF
>t5...@aol.com (T5NF) wrote:
>> >Tae...@zonnet.nl Taemon wrote:
>>
>> (snip)
>> MrFalafel:
>> >> and it's too difficult to
>> >>get to the good veggie place in town,
>> >
>> >Which is where?
>>
>> Not MrFalafel but I suspect he's referring to Bolhoed at 60
>Prinsengracht ...
>>
>
>Bingo!
>
I had a hunch that was the right place :-) The one time I ate there I quite
enjoyed it..
I trust you paid a visit to Siberie while in A'dam? (I'm sooo jelous ;-))
Fritz
Sarah
The chip shops in York, UK only use beef dripping as far as i know. I could
seem ot find anything to eat (as in hot takeaway food) last time i visited,
but then again it was on new Years eve...
Sarah
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> No, Mr Ramsden's empire seem to think it a major selling point that the
> chain uses old-fashioned animal fat to fry the chips in.
Including the Harry Ramsdens which are now being installed into motorway
service stations... *sigh*
Sarah
--
MrFalafel
No time. I was only there for 2 nights and those were filled with
conference bollocks. Only managed to grab a falafel or two and raid the
mini-bar. I'm going back in two weeks for a proper visit which will
include said establishments. Can't wait!
RaspberrySwirl
eye of newt <kra...@starpower.net> wrote:
>
>
> Snow wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for all your replies to my last survey - quite a mixture of
vegans,
> > vegetarians and more! Following Cliff's post, after I replied to
him (see
> > below) I realised that it would be interesting (for me at least) to
see your
> > opinions on going to non-vegan/veggie restaurants and cafes.
> >
>
> this area. the only ones i can usually trust are Indian places, but i
> still have to make sure they use corn oil--not soybean oil. the
> little veggie place in frostburg, md, made a wonderful effort to
> accomodate my allergies, though. :) they were able to scrounge
> together a dish that was soy-free.
>
> that said, i rarely go to steakhouses b/c they have very little
> soy-free, vegetarian-friendly food.
>
> there aren't a whole lot of places i trust... i've reacted more than
> once to food that the waitstaff told me was soy-free... if they'll
> lie/hedge about allergies in a life/death situation, they'll lie about
> meat/animal derivatives. not all waitstaff do this, of course, but
> it's happened far too often for me to be comfortable. i trust my best
> friend (veg*n waitress at a steak house) when i eat at her place of
> employment b/c she actually cares about me. i eat there so rarely,
> though, that it's not really part of my decision-making process.
>
> ygg
I feel sorry for you - I don't know what I would eat half the time
without tofu! what are your meals based on?
Raspberry
RaspberrySwirl
in the end everyone myst answer to their maker - in u'r case that
What is it with people thinking vegans eat yoghurt?? I try to make it
simple for people by saying "I fit comes from an animal, I don't want
it". And they always say, "How about yoghurt?", or the classic "Do you
eat goats cheese?". And do I need to mention "How about fish, they
aren't animals".
Raspberry
eye of newt
RaspberrySwirl wrote:
> I feel sorry for you - I don't know what I would eat half the time
> without tofu! what are your meals based on?
vegetables, whole grains, other legumes (no soy or peanuts), etc. :)
it's not that bad. the hard part is avoiding additives made from soy,
but it just means i can't have so much junk food.
i do miss tofu, but i'll survive.
ygg
BIG ONE
typed:
"What is it with people thinking vegans eat yoghurt??
i'm happy 2 eat the acidwhateveritscalled but not grown on cow puss
T5NF
(snip)
> I'm going back in two weeks for a proper visit which will
>include said establishments. Can't wait!
You lucky lucky man...have a wonderful time :-)
If you'd like the number for an affordable self catering canal boat in the
Jordaan area (Lindengracht) let me know :-)
Fritz
T5NF
>The chip shops in York, UK only use beef dripping as far as i know. I could
>seem ot find anything to eat (as in hot takeaway food) last time i visited,
>but then again it was on new Years eve...
>
Nothing to do with fish or chips but have you tried Wild Ginger in Harrogate?
It's a vegan bistro just down the road from the train station...if you've never
been there it's worth the trip :-)
Fritz
MrFalafel
That sounds great...but we're going 5 star hotel this time...champagne
breakfasts and all...
Sarah
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> Nothing to do with fish or chips but have you tried Wild Ginger in
Harrogate?
> It's a vegan bistro just down the road from the train station...if you've
never
> been there it's worth the trip :-)
I haven't but i'll keep the details handy for next time where that way...
Thanks for the tip!
Sarah
--
T5NF
me:
>> If you'd like the number for an affordable self catering canal boat
>in the
>> Jordaan area (Lindengracht) let me know :-)
>>
>
>That sounds great...but we're going 5 star hotel this time...champagne
>breakfasts and all...
>
the self catering route when we travel as the s.o. has particular food
allergies and as we're both vegan it's just that much easier to have a kitchen
at our disposal... plus I enjoy shopping at foreign groceries/markets..
Fritz
T5NF
me:
> Wild Ginger in
>Harrogate?
>> It's a vegan bistro just down the road from the train station...if you've
>never
>> been there it's worth the trip :-)
>
>I haven't but i'll keep the details handy for next time where that way...
It's been a few years since I ate there but it was really nice with a good
variety on offer.. they've won some awards.. if you come out of the station and
go right (don't cross the road) and walk down the hill a bit you'll find it..
probably only a minutes' walk from the station..
>Thanks for the tip!
You're welcome.. and if you have any for other places to eat in the York area
do share please :-)
Fritz