Meatloaf
Rubystars
I haven't eaten meat in a few months now but my family is cooking meatloaf
and I can smell it so strong I'm almost tempted to go get some. :(
-Rubystars
Curious George
evident in the number of vegan recipes I've seen, where a common theme is to
make a veggie dish taste like mock beef, turkey, fish, pork, etc. I always
thought consuming animal flesh was the number one enemy of the vegan, and
foods with a likeness to it, in taste and texture, were considered a
"distasteful" thing. I've noticed lots of veggie meat substitutes in the
stores, like tofu dogs and mock turkey, etc. What's the point? Are these
products main staples of vegans, or are they designed to ease converts away
from the taste for animal flesh? Do a lot of vegans secretly pine for meat?
Curious
"Rubystars" <windst...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
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Mikko Rauhala
[snip]
> I've noticed lots of veggie meat substitutes in the stores, like
> tofu dogs and mock turkey, etc. What's the point? Are these
> products main staples of vegans, or are they designed to ease
> converts away from the taste for animal flesh? Do a lot of vegans
> secretly pine for meat?
Well, both. It's good for propaganda to be able to offer minced "meat"
lasagna to omnivorous acquaintances, so that they'll see that they
wouldn't have to change their taste habits altogether overnight,
should they decide to bite the carrot, so to say.
Anyway, why shouldn't an ethical vegan eat meatish things? I know a
few who've even openly stated that they think meat is good, but they
refuse to let that be a factor in their lifestyle choice, since that
would go against their ethics.
That said, there are also, of course, many vegans who don't much care
for the substitutes. It's their choice. Veganism just simply doesn't
necessarily have anything to do with taste habits. Mostly, the ethical
choice comes first, and then you just eat whatever you like
consistently with that ethical choice.
Personally I'm rather indiffer5~5~ent about meat substitutes. I don't
generally buy such products for home use, but will chew on them with
no complaints in the university cafeteria when they have such things
on the menu, for example. ("Generally" as in I did try a new Seitan
product on the market - it was ok, but I doubt I'll be spending very
much money on it.) Now _real_ meat I find very distasteful and
wouldn't touch it.
--
Mikko Rauhala - m...@iki.fi - http://www.iki.fi/mjr/
Rubystars
"Curious George" <ban...@tree.ws> wrote in message
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> I'm curious why so many vegans appear to really miss consuming meat. It's
> evident in the number of vegan recipes I've seen, where a common theme is
to
> make a veggie dish taste like mock beef, turkey, fish, pork, etc. I
always
> thought consuming animal flesh was the number one enemy of the vegan, and
> foods with a likeness to it, in taste and texture, were considered a
> "distasteful" thing. I've noticed lots of veggie meat substitutes in the
> stores, like tofu dogs and mock turkey, etc. What's the point? Are these
> products main staples of vegans, or are they designed to ease converts
away
> from the taste for animal flesh? Do a lot of vegans secretly pine for
meat?
>
> Curious
>
They're not main staples for me. I enjoy eating vegetables with cous cous or
rice. I tend to base my meals around a carbohydrate rather than around a
meat now. I'm really new to this so I still crave meat sometimes so the
substitutes can help me get over that with a healthier alternative.
-Rubystars
Curious George
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> On Thu, 02 May 2002 00:12:31 GMT, Curious George <ban...@tree.ws> wrote:
[snip]
> Anyway, why shouldn't an ethical vegan eat meatish things? I know a
> few who've even openly stated that they think meat is good, but they
> refuse to let that be a factor in their lifestyle choice, since that
> would go against their ethics.
>
> That said, there are also, of course, many vegans who don't much care
> for the substitutes. It's their choice. Veganism just simply doesn't
> necessarily have anything to do with taste habits. Mostly, the ethical
> choice comes first, and then you just eat whatever you like
> consistently with that ethical choice.
I can understand the ethical point of view (the animal rights thing) to a
certain extent, but not to the point where it will persuade me to stop
eating meat completely. My concerns about meat have more to do with health
(animal and human) and the way animals are raised. I'm really dissappointed
with the quality of commercial meats such as beef, pork, and chicken, to the
point where I will not eat any kind of meat unless I know it was organically
raised, has come from a natural source, I've raised it myself, or I have
hunted or fished it far away from sources of pollutants.
An example, it's really interesting when you compare commercially raised
beef to the same that is raised without growth hormones, antibiotics, and
steroids. Commercial beef is always unnaturally red, perhaps due to the
sodium nitrate that's used as a color enhancer and preservative when it's
processed, and the meat seems almost water-logged. Commercial beef gets
shot-up with steroids before slaughter, it makes the animals gain weight and
therefore fetch a better price on the auction block. Natural beef isn't the
same at all, it's brown, and in texture and taste there is a big difference.
It even smells different. The commercial "drug meat" as I call it, is very
gross and I won't buy it or consume it.
I enjoy vegetarian dishes and I make them quite frequently. I like to make
cous cous salads, lentil soups, veggie burgers, curried veggie dishes, etc
etc. I just happen to really like a bbq'd organic steak, fish, or a chicken
breast occaisionally too. If I know where the meat comes from and I know it
was raised in a healthy manner, and killed cleanly, I don't feel the
slightest guilt about eating it.
The act of killing an animal for food bothers me a little, but if it's done
clean and fast it reduces the stress the animal might experience to a
minimum. The perfect methods are the same as I would choose to kill myself,
say a bullet in the head or sever the head from the body.
I've raised chickens and I know all about this. In order to eat them they
must be dispatched first, and the method of lopping of their heads in the
woodshed with an ax is always an interesting experience. The first time I
did it I felt a bit nauseated, as the chicken's body always try to fly away,
and the head blinks at you once or twice. It's amazing how a decapitated
banty can fly fifty feet in the air. Then it goes into a pot of boiling
water so the body can be plucked and cleaned for dinner.
I know what the animal rights activists might say about this process, but
it's very natural and satisfying to raise your own chickens for consumption,
from start to end, even knowing that you will have to kill them eventually.
Humans have been killing and consuming animals ever since we have been
humans, therefore it is human to kill animals and eat them. I don't buy the
argument that "we don't need to do this anymore". Forcing ourselves to
become herbivores is not going to save the animals or make us healthier.
Curious
Born To Hula
If I tell people that I don't eat meat, eggs, cheese, milk, they always
reply "don't you miss these things?"
I have never liked the taste of meat of anything mentioned above, so I guess
I am lucky not to have these "cravings".
Anita
Born To Hula
> meatloaf. You should obey your brain's signals for particular food
> needs and stop starving yourself.
No. This is an indication that the mind altering media is working, and the
big corparate companies have you in their power.
Now they let you dance the corporate dance and make you eat all the mc
donalds food, because they tell you to.
You are not a free person.
Lois Taitague
loaf, which does have cottage cheese and eggs in it. It smells great
cooking and tastes good too. Put "Special K Loaf" in your search
engine and it will bring up a whole long list. Also I have a cashew
loaf that is pretty good:
2 cups raw cashews
4 slices whole wheat bread
2 Tablespoons soy sauce
2 Tablespoons parsley
2 large onions
1/2 teaspoons celery seeds
1 teaspoons salt
2 cups milk (could use soy milk)
Grind cashews and bread. Pour milk, mix well. Cook in oiled pan at
350 degrees for 40 minutes.
Rubystars
"Lois Taitague" <ltaitg...@sover.net> wrote in message
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> One of my all-time favorite meat loaf substitutes is the Special K
> loaf, which does have cottage cheese and eggs in it. It smells great
> cooking and tastes good too. Put "Special K Loaf" in your search
> engine and it will bring up a whole long list. Also I have a cashew
> loaf that is pretty good:
>
> 2 cups raw cashews
> 4 slices whole wheat bread
> 2 Tablespoons soy sauce
> 2 Tablespoons parsley
> 2 large onions
> 1/2 teaspoons celery seeds
> 1 teaspoons salt
> 2 cups milk (could use soy milk)
>
> Grind cashews and bread. Pour milk, mix well. Cook in oiled pan at
> 350 degrees for 40 minutes.
>
Thank you. :) I didn't know if anyone was going to help me. I really
appreciate it. I'll try this recipe out. ^_^
-Rubystars
usual suspect
You can get any number of mixes for meatless loaves at the store. The
newer HEBs in Houston should have them in the natural foods areas (boxed
or in bulk) if you can't make it to Whole Foods (not plugs for either
store).
Another idea is to mix up your favorite (or leftover) legumes with your
favorite (or leftover) grain, season it however you like, toss in some
veggies (onion, celery, peppers, spinach, carrots, cauliflower), tomato
sauce, add a little flour (whole wheat, garbanzo, etc. -- except soy
flour) to bind it, form a loaf and bake it. (That's also my usual method
for veggie burgers.)
Here are some recipe links from fatfree.com. They also have some
lacto-ovo versions.
http://www.fatfree.com/recipes/beans/lentil-loaf
http://www.fatfree.com/recipes/beans/lentil-loaf-3
http://www.fatfree.com/recipes/beans/pinto-bean-loaf
http://www.fatfree.com/recipes/beans/lentil-loaf-5
usual suspect
Gimme Lean or Yves ground soy meat substitute with veggies, grains, etc.
I haven't tried that but it should work decently.
Rubystars
"usual suspect" <hav...@fun.yet> wrote in message
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Thanks! Good ideas :)
-Rubystars
Lois Taitague
Sunflower loaf
1/2 cup ground sunflower seeds
1 cup ground walnuts
1/2 cup bread crumbs
1/2 cup grated potato
1 tsp. salt
3 Tbsp. grated onion
1 cup milk (or substitute)
1 Tbsp. oil
Mix together and let stand 1/2 hour. Bake at 350 degrees for one
hour.
There is also one made with grapenut cereal. Here's the link:
http://www.garvick.com/recipes-fps/gra4f104.htm
On Wed, 1 May 2002 16:35:24 -0500, "Rubystars"
<windst...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
Rubystars
"usual suspect" <hav...@fun.yet> wrote in message
> One more idea. You can also use some kind of flour to bind together some
> Gimme Lean or Yves ground soy meat substitute with veggies, grains, etc.
> I haven't tried that but it should work decently.
>
I saw some "Morning Star" ground beef substitute at the store but I haven't
gotten it or checked to see if it was dairy free yet. I don't mind eating
dairy every once in a while but I don't want to make a habit of it. Just the
thought of drinking pus.. blech.. lol
-Rubystars
Rubystars
> Forgot this one, which is also one of my favorites:
>
> Sunflower loaf
>
> 1/2 cup ground sunflower seeds
> 1 cup ground walnuts
> 1/2 cup bread crumbs
> 1/2 cup grated potato
> 1 tsp. salt
> 3 Tbsp. grated onion
> 1 cup milk (or substitute)
> 1 Tbsp. oil
>
> Mix together and let stand 1/2 hour. Bake at 350 degrees for one
> hour.
>
Saved it, thanks.
-Rubystars
MrFalafel
Lots and lots of recipes for fake meat loaf based on anything from
lentils to tofu and nut-meats.
Here's one very basic one you may want to change around:
Tofu Loaf
Ingredients:
1 medium onion
1 cup rolled oats (or whole grain bread crumbs or crushed cornflakes)
1 1/2 pounds tofu, mashed
1/2 cup chopped parsley
1/3 cup soy sauce
1/3 cup ketchup
2 Tbsp. dijon mustard
1/4 tsp. black pepper
1/4 tsp. garlic powder
Directions:
1) Preheat oven to 350 degrees fahrenheit
2) Mix all ingredients together.
3) Press the mixture into a teflon loaf pan (you can spray a bit of
PAM)
4) Bake for one hour.
5) Let cool about 15-20 minutes before trying to remove from pan.
6) Slice and enjoy!
This loaf also freezes well - I slice it up then wrap the sliced loaf
in wax paper and plastic wrap and stick it in the freezer. I
calculated the calories per slice if you were to slice the loaf into 9
one-inch slices (and using the rolled oats): 150 cal/slice.
pecan loaf
Ingredients:
2c. cooked brown rice
4c. soft whole wheat bread crumbs (jog blender on/off to make)
1c. very finely chopped pecans or walnuts
Combine above in bowl and set aside.
Whiz in blender until smooth:
1 1/2 c. water
1 med. onion
2/3c. whole wheat flour
1tsp. sweet bazil
1 1/2 tsp salt
Directions:
Pur whizzed ingredients into bowl with other ingredients. Mix
thoroughly. Place in 8x8 baking dish, oiled or pammed Bake @ 350 for
approximately 60 minutes.
Serve hot with peanut gravy ot tomato sauce. This is excellent served
cold in a sandwich!!
These are taken from http://www.vegweb.com (do a recipe search on
'loaf' for a whole list)
I got more at home if you want some more ideas.
Rubystars
"MrFalafel" <mrfa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Thanks! That one looks great!
-Rubystars
Karen Elliot
"Meowatilla" <meowa...@bungmunch.com> wrote in message
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> In alt.food.vegan, Lois Taitague wrote (article ID
> <52e2dusc65kdg5mc9...@4ax.com>):
> > Forgot this one, which is also one of my favorites:
> >
> > Sunflower loaf
> >
> > 1/2 cup ground sunflower seeds
> > 1 cup ground walnuts
> > 1/2 cup bread crumbs
> > 1/2 cup grated potato
> > 1 tsp. salt
> > 3 Tbsp. grated onion
> > 1 cup milk (or substitute)
> > 1 Tbsp. oil
> >
> > Mix together and let stand 1/2 hour. Bake at 350 degrees for one
> > hour.
> >
> > There is also one made with grapenut cereal. Here's the link:
> > http://www.garvick.com/recipes-fps/gra4f104.htm
>
>
> There is nothing worse than vegans trying to imitate meat dishes.
>
> Learn how to cook at least. I pity whoever you are responsible for
> feeding.
Gosh what cutting wit!
Karen Elliot
> In alt.food.vegan, Rubystars wrote (article ID <aapn31$cp5q0$11@ID-
> 63471.news.dfncis.de>):
> meatloaf. You should obey your brain's signals for particular food
> needs and stop starving yourself.
>
And your sad, sick fuck little reason for lurking around here is?
MrFalafel
Oh another easy trick is to just pick some 'Bac-Os' which are imitation bacon
bits usually sprinkled on salads.
Just adding a tbsp of them to anything you cook gives it a nice smokey taste
that may remind you of your meat eating days.
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Rubystars
"MrFalafel" <MrFa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In article <aapn31$cp5q0$1...@ID-63471.news.dfncis.de>, "Rubystars"
<windst...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
> >Does anyone have a vegetarian or vegan recipe for meatloaf?
> >
> >I haven't eaten meat in a few months now but my family is cooking
meatloaf
> >and I can smell it so strong I'm almost tempted to go get some. :(
> >
> >-Rubystars
> >
> >
>
> Oh another easy trick is to just pick some 'Bac-Os' which are imitation
bacon
> bits usually sprinkled on salads.
>
> Just adding a tbsp of them to anything you cook gives it a nice smokey
taste
> that may remind you of your meat eating days.
>
>
That's a great idea! :) Thanks!
-Rubystars
MEow
minding my own business, when suddenly at 2 May 2002 00:38:56 GMT,
m...@iki.fi (Mikko Rauhala) appeared in front of me and said:
>
>Anyway, why shouldn't an ethical vegan eat meatish things? I know a
>few who've even openly stated that they think meat is good, but they
>refuse to let that be a factor in their lifestyle choice, since that
>would go against their ethics.
>
>That said, there are also, of course, many vegans who don't much care
>for the substitutes. It's their choice. Veganism just simply doesn't
>necessarily have anything to do with taste habits. Mostly, the ethical
>choice comes first, and then you just eat whatever you like
>consistently with that ethical choice.
>
>Personally I'm rather indiffer5~5~ent about meat substitutes. I don't
>generally buy such products for home use, but will chew on them with
>no complaints in the university cafeteria when they have such things
>on the menu, for example. ("Generally" as in I did try a new Seitan
>product on the market - it was ok, but I doubt I'll be spending very
>much money on it.) Now _real_ meat I find very distasteful and
>wouldn't touch it.
Exactly - There's different ways of being vegan, in that regard.
Personally I've never tasted any meat substitutes and it's not
something I miss, either. OTOH that's not because I've made a choice
not to do it, I've just never been very interested in it - I might try
it someday, out of curiosity - Last week I tried vegan "cheese" for
the first time and was positively surprised. However it's quite
expensive and probably not all that healthy (normal cheese is
generally not exactly health-food), so it's only something I'll have
once in a while, but not too often...
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