Roaches at Sushi Hana in NYC
Mike
New York City. I can't believe what just happened to me. I've been eating
at Sushi Hana for the past 5 years. I must have been there over 100 times.
My wife and I were there tonight and we had a cockroach run across the table
in the middle of our meal. My wife was horrified and I was pretty grossed
out.
The manager comes over and tells us that they just sprayed for roaches the
day before, as if that's an excuse. He offers to move us to another table
and reorder our meals. We were so shocked at that moment, that we couldn't
think about eating. We left Sushi Hana and had a drink down the block.
After about an hour we recovered and had a good laugh about the whole
incident. We figured after being such good customers over the years that
the least Sushi Hana could do was spring for the next meal. By my
estimation, we must have spent $4,000 at this restaurant. I went back to
the restaurant within an hour of the incident and spoke to the manager. The
manager tells me that he won't give us a free dinner and in fact had done us
a favor by not charging us for the meal that we had walked out on. The meal
that had the cockroach as the dinner guest. He says he will give us a
discount. What a joke. DON'T GO TO SUSHI HANA!!! The place has
cockroaches.
Dan Logcher
> The manager comes over and tells us that they just sprayed for roaches the
> day before, as if that's an excuse. He offers to move us to another table
> and reorder our meals. We were so shocked at that moment, that we couldn't
> think about eating. We left Sushi Hana and had a drink down the block.
> After about an hour we recovered and had a good laugh about the whole
> incident.
That's a sad excuse, Just sprayed.. like that attracts them. Does he realise
that people will know he had cockroaches before the spray was applied?
Obviosly it's not the cleanest sushi bar.. I wouldn't bother going back for
a free meal anyways. Why do you think they have roaches?
--
Dan
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
You have roaches in your head.
1. Spraying for bugs creates stoned bugs, the kind that
run across the table in broad daylight. The manager was
right, and it was an excuse. It's not like he was raising
them and training them to gross you out.
2. You walked out on a meal. Did you tell the server? The
manager? Who? No, you don't deserve another free meal.
The best a restaurant should do is comp you the meal at
which you observed the wildlife. If you're really brave
about it, they might reward you with a return comp.
But it sounds like you threw a Soccer-injury.
3. Speaking of wildlife, seeing roaches in NYC is like
seeing monkeys in Penang. Like you never saw a bug
before. Your whole story stinks of crocodile tears.
4. You should really be telling people "Stay away from
NYC. It's dirty, it's noisy, it's bug- and rat-infested,
the sushi is overpriced, and the people are dicks."
5. Eat at Sushi Hana on 78th & 1st. Its customers come
back for years and almost never see an unavoidable pest.
--Blair
"That's the message I got."
justin
building in every big city.
Dan Logcher
> 1. Spraying for bugs creates stoned bugs, the kind that
> run across the table in broad daylight. The manager was
> right, and it was an excuse. It's not like he was raising
> them and training them to gross you out.
But they obviously weren't on top of the bug situation if it
got that far. I didn't see any roaches when I was in NYC
last July.
> 2. You walked out on a meal. Did you tell the server? The
> manager? Who? No, you don't deserve another free meal.
> The best a restaurant should do is comp you the meal at
> which you observed the wildlife. If you're really brave
> about it, they might reward you with a return comp.
> But it sounds like you threw a Soccer-injury.
They walked out only after the manager said he would just
reorder the meal. How do you expect people to eat in the
same place at the same time after seeing that.
> 3. Speaking of wildlife, seeing roaches in NYC is like
> seeing monkeys in Penang. Like you never saw a bug
> before. Your whole story stinks of crocodile tears.
Do roaches shed tears when they eat your food?
> 4. You should really be telling people "Stay away from
> NYC. It's dirty, it's noisy, it's bug- and rat-infested,
> the sushi is overpriced, and the people are dicks."
Ok, you're right.. can't argue with that.
> 5. Eat at Sushi Hana on 78th & 1st. Its customers come
> back for years and almost never see an unavoidable pest.
Why eat at Sushi Hana when you can eat at Hatsuhana.
--
Dan
Michael
"Dan Logcher" <dlogcher*xspam*@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3D2C486B...@attbi.com...
> "Blair P. Houghton" wrote:
>
> > 5. Eat at Sushi Hana on 78th & 1st. Its customers come
> > back for years and almost never see an unavoidable pest.
>
> Why eat at Sushi Hana when you can eat at Hatsuhana.
A question that came to me also.
If you had spent that much money at Hatsuhana they would know your name,
your favorite sushi and slip you a freebie piece every once in a while.
I was comped at Hatsuhana for a screwed up reservation. I reserved a place
at the bar upstairs and arrived on time. We waited about forty five minutes
to an hour (with free drinks) before being seated. With profuse apologies,
I was then told to enjoy myself and no bill would be presented. Now at the
time I was a very very good customer.
Dan Logcher
Wow! That's quite a comp. Oh, I would have loved to be there..
--
Dan
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>Michael wrote:
>> "Dan Logcher" <dlogcher*xspam*@attbi.com> wrote in message
>> news:3D2C486B...@attbi.com...
>> > "Blair P. Houghton" wrote:
>> >
>> > > 5. Eat at Sushi Hana on 78th & 1st. Its customers come
>> > > back for years and almost never see an unavoidable pest.
>> >
>> > Why eat at Sushi Hana when you can eat at Hatsuhana.
>>
>> A question that came to me also.
Well, certainly, unless you plan to do it every week for
several years and don't have Yankee-slugger money...
>> If you had spent that much money at Hatsuhana they would know your name,
>> your favorite sushi and slip you a freebie piece every once in a while.
>>
>> I was comped at Hatsuhana for a screwed up reservation. I reserved a place
>> at the bar upstairs and arrived on time. We waited about forty five minutes
>> to an hour (with free drinks) before being seated. With profuse apologies,
>> I was then told to enjoy myself and no bill would be presented. Now at the
>> time I was a very very good customer.
>
>Wow! That's quite a comp. Oh, I would have loved to be there..
When they're charging eight bucks for maguro nigiri, their
generosity is already paid for.
--Blair
"Ever been to Vegas?"
Michael
We went out of our way to order exactly what we would have had if we had
been paying. And we were back the next night.
Ah, the good old days. Now I get to eat there about once every two years
instead of two or three times a month.
Hatsuhana...where ordering toro gets you a question of what variety of tuna
interests you.
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>"Blair P. Houghton" wrote:
>> 1. Spraying for bugs creates stoned bugs, the kind that
>> run across the table in broad daylight. The manager was
>> right, and it was an excuse. It's not like he was raising
>> them and training them to gross you out.
>
>But they obviously weren't on top of the bug situation if it
>got that far. I didn't see any roaches when I was in NYC
>last July.
Roaches are not easy to stay "on top of" once they
infest a block. Killing the ones in your space just
gives the others the idea that there's lebensraum, and
they go exploring. You have to gas the entire structure.
BT, DT, and it works.
I've been in restaurants where I was considered a regular
where the bugs did their tableside entertainment, and
rather than jump up and down like a four-year-old I
dispatched them and informed the staff that I needed a
clean napkin. It builds the relationship rather than
tearing it down.
The management doesn't want them any more than you do,
and acting like George Costanza when you see one is a sure
way to get the door rather than a comp.
>How do you expect people to eat in the
>same place at the same time after seeing that.
People who live in New York? You'd think there'd be
theme restaurants built around the concept.
>> 3. Speaking of wildlife, seeing roaches in NYC is like
>> seeing monkeys in Penang. Like you never saw a bug
>> before. Your whole story stinks of crocodile tears.
>
>Do roaches shed tears when they eat your food?
No. But litigious crybabies do when they see a frivolous tort.
>> 5. Eat at Sushi Hana on 78th & 1st. Its customers come
>> back for years and almost never see an unavoidable pest.
>
>Why eat at Sushi Hana when you can eat at Hatsuhana.
If I bring my own silverfish, can I get free negitoro?
--Blair
"I know, we'll put a baby mouse
in a beer bottle, eh..."
-The Great White North
Dan Logcher
> I've been in restaurants where I was considered a regular
> where the bugs did their tableside entertainment, and
> rather than jump up and down like a four-year-old I
> dispatched them and informed the staff that I needed a
> clean napkin. It builds the relationship rather than
> tearing it down.
>
> The management doesn't want them any more than you do,
> and acting like George Costanza when you see one is a sure
> way to get the door rather than a comp.
You are way too tolerant of roaches. Sorry, I'd be sickened a bit
if I had a roach crawl near my dinner. And if it was a regular
occurance, I wouldn't go back. You may be able to stomache
them, but not everyone else can or should.
> >Do roaches shed tears when they eat your food?
>
> No. But litigious crybabies do when they see a frivolous tort.
Again, you're way too tolerant of roaches in an eat establishment.
Considering the need for cleanliness in a sushi bar, bugs would be
one of those things to keep me away. They weren't being crybabies
for complaining about bugs. They should have been given better
treatment than that.
> >> 5. Eat at Sushi Hana on 78th & 1st. Its customers come
> >> back for years and almost never see an unavoidable pest.
> >
> >Why eat at Sushi Hana when you can eat at Hatsuhana.
>
> If I bring my own silverfish, can I get free negitoro?
You carry your own supply? Are you an exterminator?
--
Dan
Burnt@ut
of your food, worry about it. Otherwise, fuhgeddaboudit.
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:26:44 GMT, "Mike" <mike_in...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Dan Logcher
> Oh grow up. There are roaches everywhere in NYC. If the roach runs out
> of your food, worry about it. Otherwise, fuhgeddaboudit.
You can fuhgeddaboutit, but I wouldn't.. I've been to restaurants in NYC
and I didn't see roaches. So apparently they aren't everywhere. Where
they are present, there must be a cleanliness issue.
--
Dan
Mike
> run across the table in broad daylight. The manager was
> right, and it was an excuse. It's not like he was raising
> them and training them to gross you out.
It was a lame excuse as well as his reasoning for not charging me for the
meal.
>
> 2. You walked out on a meal. Did you tell the server? The
> manager? Who? No, you don't deserve another free meal.
> The best a restaurant should do is comp you the meal at
> which you observed the wildlife. If you're really brave
> about it, they might reward you with a return comp.
> But it sounds like you threw a Soccer-injury.
Can you read???? My orginal post says the manager offered to move us. He
was actually trying to kill the damm roach as it ran off the table. Also, I
didn't get any kind of free meal. We had just started eating when it
happened. I had about two bites of my dinner when it happened.
>
> 3. Speaking of wildlife, seeing roaches in NYC is like
> seeing monkeys in Penang. Like you never saw a bug
> before. Your whole story stinks of crocodile tears.
>
I guess its no big deal for you to see a roach (or a rat) running around
your kitchen table, but for some of us who are clean it is.
> 4. You should really be telling people "Stay away from
> NYC. It's dirty, it's noisy, it's bug- and rat-infested,
> the sushi is overpriced, and the people are dicks."
Yes please stay away from New York City. Its already full of too many dicks
like you who come visiting from outside the city.
Point of the story: SUSHI HANA (78th and 1st AVE, NYC) is a ROACH INFESTED
SHIT HOLE WITH A MANAGEMENT THAT DOESN'T GIVE A DAMM ABOUT ITS CUSTOMERS.
Enough said.
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>You are way too tolerant of roaches. Sorry, I'd be sickened a bit
>if I had a roach crawl near my dinner. And if it was a regular
>occurance, I wouldn't go back. You may be able to stomache
>them, but not everyone else can or should.
If I go to Sakana tomorrow (good idea) and sit in the
back and see a bug (we get scorpions around here; they
take a week to die after the exterminator comes through;
and the cucarachas are the size of your middle toe, not those
weeny half-inchers they get back east) I won't give up on
a multi-year relationship.
But if it started to happen every few months, you can
bet I'd bail on the place.
Insects are a fact of life on planet Earth, especially in
places like NYC and the desert. Unless it's walking in
the food, I'm going to ask the bus for a wipe and a word
with Taki-san, or Nobu-san, if he's in that store that day
(he's grown to three since I've been funding him). To warn
them the population is up, not to hock them for free fish.
Now, if Laura, my most recent ex, is with me (not likely),
I can not guarantee the safety of the roach, the table,
Taki-san, the plate-glass doors, or the hearing of anyone
in the sushi-ya or the hair salon next door. There will
be a shriek, a whoosh, maybe a big crash, more shrieking,
and lots and lots of crying.
>> >Do roaches shed tears when they eat your food?
>>
>> No. But litigious crybabies do when they see a frivolous tort.
>
>Again, you're way too tolerant of roaches in an eat establishment.
>Considering the need for cleanliness in a sushi bar, bugs would be
>one of those things to keep me away. They weren't being crybabies
>for complaining about bugs. They should have been given better
>treatment than that.
You're too critical of extremely common fauna that were
(as I read it) nowhere near the bar or the kitchen and
made one appearance in years of patronage.
I wouldn't expect Shintaro to be able to keep from having
a bug crawl up the jellyfish tanks every few years.
Hell, they have poisonous jellyfish not ten feet from where
I'm sitting! Comp! I want a comp! I was almost killed!
And my god! The food! It's all RAW! (faints)
You got more germs on your hands pulling your chair up
to the table than that cockroach could bring with him
in ten trips.
>> >Why eat at Sushi Hana when you can eat at Hatsuhana.
>>
>> If I bring my own silverfish, can I get free negitoro?
>
>You carry your own supply? Are you an exterminator?
I know a pet shop of uncertain reputation.
--Blair
"I gotta go see a guy about a horsefly."
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>
>Point of the story: SUSHI HANA (78th and 1st AVE, NYC) is a ROACH INFESTED
>SHIT HOLE WITH A MANAGEMENT THAT DOESN'T GIVE A DAMM ABOUT ITS CUSTOMERS.
>Enough said.
You go in for libel much?
One roach, the guy says he gets it sprayed, and given
your demeanor I'd say your tipping habits have left him
in the position of not being able to afford to comp even
longtime customers.
--Blair
"How's the fish?"
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>You can fuhgeddaboutit, but I wouldn't.. I've been to restaurants in NYC
>and I didn't see roaches. So apparently they aren't everywhere. Where
>they are present, there must be a cleanliness issue.
If it was two roaches every week, you'd have a point. But
one roach in how many years?
NYC is a crannyfest. A cockroach can live on the glue
from a postage stamp for six weeks. You'd have to pull
the plaster off the walls and scrub the back of it to get
it clean enough to prevent any sort of colonization.
Spraying helps, but is never 100% effective, and often
just serves to push the bugs around to the space next door.
When he sprays, you get them back.
If there's an issue, it's that we've never covered
Manhattan Island with a tent and got rid of them all.
(But then they tent Brooklyn, and the vermin just come
across the bridge and the subway...oh wait, that's
"commuting"...)
I'd say you were plain lucky never to see a bug.
--Blair
"I could tell you about the time
I saw a dead centipede holding a dead
spider in its mandibles...or the way
the scorpions will twitch if you blow
on them in the glue traps...a month
after they get stuck..."
yukon3333
compensate you for your inconvience.
Obvious the roach didn't bug you (no pun) enough to warrant your
boycott of this restaurant since you ask for a free meal next time.
You are setting a up a unprecedent demand when hoping to get a free
meal for next visit.
As a restaurant owner I'm thinking how much your party of 2 can order
- up to $150? (sushi can be expensive though not stuffing).
Although if it was me (as the owner) I certianly would consider the 4
year relationship.
Dan Logcher
> Dan Logcher <dlogcher*xspam*@attbi.com> wrote:
> >You can fuhgeddaboutit, but I wouldn't.. I've been to restaurants in NYC
> >and I didn't see roaches. So apparently they aren't everywhere. Where
> >they are present, there must be a cleanliness issue.
>
> If it was two roaches every week, you'd have a point. But
> one roach in how many years?
You see one roach, there's plenty more not see. The owner wouldn't
have sprayed if it was only one roach, so it must have been many to
deserve spraying pesticides.
> NYC is a crannyfest. A cockroach can live on the glue
> from a postage stamp for six weeks. You'd have to pull
> the plaster off the walls and scrub the back of it to get
> it clean enough to prevent any sort of colonization.
Ok keep it clean to begin with to prevent infestation.
> I'd say you were plain lucky never to see a bug.
I suppose. Or I just never went into bug trap restaurants.
Actually, I've never seen a roach in any restaurant I've eaten
at. I've seen flies.. Never roaches.
--
Dan
Dan Logcher
> Dan Logcher <dlogcher*xspam*@attbi.com> wrote:
> >Again, you're way too tolerant of roaches in an eat establishment.
> >Considering the need for cleanliness in a sushi bar, bugs would be
> >one of those things to keep me away. They weren't being crybabies
> >for complaining about bugs. They should have been given better
> >treatment than that.
>
> You're too critical of extremely common fauna that were
> (as I read it) nowhere near the bar or the kitchen and
> made one appearance in years of patronage.
Obviously not common or else I would have seen them when I was
in NYC. Ok, for all your New Yonkers.. how often do you see
cockroaches in restaurants? And do you continue to go back when
you do?
> I wouldn't expect Shintaro to be able to keep from having
> a bug crawl up the jellyfish tanks every few years.
>
> Hell, they have poisonous jellyfish not ten feet from where
> I'm sitting! Comp! I want a comp! I was almost killed!
> And my god! The food! It's all RAW! (faints)
If the roaches were encased in glass, it would be a big issue.
It would be gross, but not as bad as it running across the table.
You know if they run across the table, they're running around
the plates in the back..
> You got more germs on your hands pulling your chair up
> to the table than that cockroach could bring with him
> in ten trips.
Perhaps at the place you dine. I prefer a cleaner enviornment.
cockroaches carry some bad germs. And if you don't know
what they've touched you can't wash it. I can wash my hands
clean of most bad germs. How do I wash someone else's
restaurant?
--
Dan
Her Serene Highness
> "Blair P. Houghton" wrote:
>
> > Dan Logcher <dlogcher*xspam*@attbi.com> wrote:
> > >Again, you're way too tolerant of roaches in an eat establishment.
> > >Considering the need for cleanliness in a sushi bar, bugs would be
> > >one of those things to keep me away. They weren't being crybabies
> > >for complaining about bugs. They should have been given better
> > >treatment than that.
> >
> > You're too critical of extremely common fauna that were
> > (as I read it) nowhere near the bar or the kitchen and
> > made one appearance in years of patronage.
>
> Obviously not common or else I would have seen them when I was
> in NYC. Ok, for all your New Yonkers.. how often do you see
> cockroaches in restaurants? And do you continue to go back when
> you do?
I don't see roaches very often. I do know that after a spray, they
sometimes come out- but that doesn't invite confidence. I don't usually go
back to a restaurant after that. I think I've seen roaches 3 times in close
to thirty years of eating out.
>
> > I wouldn't expect Shintaro to be able to keep from having
> > a bug crawl up the jellyfish tanks every few years.
> >
> > Hell, they have poisonous jellyfish not ten feet from where
> > I'm sitting! Comp! I want a comp! I was almost killed!
> > And my god! The food! It's all RAW! (faints)
>
> If the roaches were encased in glass, it would be a big issue.
> It would be gross, but not as bad as it running across the table.
> You know if they run across the table, they're running around
> the plates in the back..
I have to agree with that one. A roach on the wall, and slow moving is one
thing (and even then, it's gross). A quick one on the table? Forget it.
Charles Demas
*ALL* restaurants have problems with cockroaches; that's why they
spray for them.
Cockroaches generally stay in the dark and rarely go out into the
light. That's why you rarely see them.
Their eggs may come in on packages delivered from warehouses to the
restaurants. So spraying for them on a regular basis is the only
good solution I know, but even so, it cannot be 100% effective.
All those complaining about this should be more realistic and
understanding of the problem. Perhaps I am because my parents
ran a restaurant.
Chuck Demas
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Burnt@ut
<dlogcher*xspam*@attbi.com> wrote:
>Actually, I've never seen a roach in any restaurant I've eaten
>at. I've seen flies.. Never roaches.
Dan, you're a regular here, and knowledgeable, and I respect your
opinions.
But if you've never seen a roach in a restaraunt, you haven't gotten
out much. I've worked in the restaraunt biz in some fashion most of my
life, and all restaraunts have roaches in some form from time to time.
Keeping them out of the serving areas usually isn't a problem, as the
steady food supplies are generally back in the kitchen. The upper end
restaraunts have overnight cleaning people, and if they're good they
can take care of minor infestations, but they can't stop the constant
onslaught of bugs that comes in daily with food deliveries.
There are location variables also - some cities have a lot more roach
problems than others. NYC is one of the worst, with Washington DC and
Richmond VA up there. I live in Nashville, TN, for some reason there
are a lot fewer roaches here than other places, despite the perfect
climate for them.
Flies are worse than roaches btw - roaches are many times cleaner than
flies by a long shot.
Ken Blake
> Flies are worse than roaches btw - roaches are many times
> cleaner than flies by a long shot.
This is very true, yet flies don't disgust people the way roaches
do. There are probably many people who would say, "I saw a roach
in that restaurant, and I'm never coming back," but few who take
the same attititude if it were a fly rather than a roach.
--
Ken Blake
Please reply to the newsgroup
asah...@mac.com
I've seen flies.. Never roaches.
>
> --
> Dan
>
>
On that note. Every once in a while I see little fruit fly looking
things flying around at different sushi bars. Has anyone else seen
these? Maybe I'm going crazy(my wife and kids think so) :^). I've seen
them in some very nice sushi bars so I don't think it's a cleanliness
thing. Is it just a Florida thing?
Scott
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>Blair hammed it up:
>> Hell, they have poisonous jellyfish not ten feet from where
>> I'm sitting! Comp! I want a comp! I was almost killed!
>> And my god! The food! It's all RAW! (faints)
>
>If the roaches were encased in glass, it would be a big issue.
>It would be gross, but not as bad as it running across the table.
>You know if they run across the table, they're running around
>the plates in the back..
Bugs aren't as statistical as all that. The bug running
across the table could be running away from the extra
Dursban® that was laid down in the kitchen.
Or, as I first said, a drunk from within the walls who
only made an appearance because he got a snootful of
the spray from the day before. Spraying *causes* sightings.
>> You got more germs on your hands pulling your chair up
>> to the table than that cockroach could bring with him
>> in ten trips.
>
>Perhaps at the place you dine.
I'd bet real money that nowhere you eat disinfects the
underside edges of the chairs every night, but does serve
raw fish and other finger foods to people who pick their
noses and don't wash after using the bathroom.
>I prefer a cleaner enviornment.
>cockroaches carry some bad germs.
No doubt, but to be relativist, not as bad as most people.
Not nearly as bad as most people's shoes. People like parents
who let their kids stand on the chairs.
>And if you don't know
>what they've touched you can't wash it. I can wash my hands
>clean of most bad germs.
But not all. VECTOR! CARRIER! UNCLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN!
You know what kills me (maybe literally, some day)?
"Anti-bacterial" soaps with the label "kills 99% of germs".
What they don't mention is, "the other 1% is still enough
to start a new colony on your mucosal membranes and lay
you up for six months".
>How do I wash someone else's
>restaurant?
Like I said. If it crawls into sight, dispatch it and
ask for a wipe and a new napkin (or salmon-skin roll, if
you panicked and used that).
Cleanliness and chemical pesticides are a GOOD thing,
but even health-department standards aren't iron-clad
guarantees, and a restaurant doing mid-quality business
in an old, expensive, jaded city can't be expected to be
as clean as an operating room*.
--Blair
"I'd like a Sapporo, hot sake, some
edamame, and an autoclave."
* - Ask a doctor some time about hospital floors.
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>"Blair P. Houghton" wrote:
>
>> Dan Logcher <dlogcher*xspam*@attbi.com> wrote:
>> >You can fuhgeddaboutit, but I wouldn't.. I've been to restaurants in NYC
>> >and I didn't see roaches. So apparently they aren't everywhere. Where
>> >they are present, there must be a cleanliness issue.
>>
>> If it was two roaches every week, you'd have a point. But
>> one roach in how many years?
>
>You see one roach, there's plenty more not see. The owner wouldn't
>have sprayed if it was only one roach, so it must have been many to
>deserve spraying pesticides.
Or just one in a series of 30 years of biweekly visits.
As I said, in a place like NYC, permanent extermination
is impossible.
>> NYC is a crannyfest. A cockroach can live on the glue
>> from a postage stamp for six weeks. You'd have to pull
>> the plaster off the walls and scrub the back of it to get
>> it clean enough to prevent any sort of colonization.
>
>Ok keep it clean to begin with to prevent infestation.
A myth. Cockroaches may thrive in ridiculous numbers
in unclean environments, but they can survive in small
numbers on things you can't clean without stripping the
walls nightly. You'd have to build out of steel sheeting
and weld it like a boat hull, then hose it with disinfectant
and insecticide every night. And you'd still get bugs
coming in on subway riders' handbags.
>> I'd say you were plain lucky never to see a bug.
>
>I suppose. Or I just never went into bug trap restaurants.
I've been in a few. You don't see one bug in four years.
You see two bugs, or one a week despite reporting them.
THOSE places I don't go back to. (They were all back
east, anyway).
>Actually, I've never seen a roach in any restaurant I've eaten
>at. I've seen flies.. Never roaches.
Synchronicity will now proceed to plot against you.
--Blair
"No bet."
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>On that note. Every once in a while I see little fruit fly looking
>things flying around at different sushi bars. Has anyone else seen
>these? Maybe I'm going crazy(my wife and kids think so) :^). I've seen
>them in some very nice sushi bars so I don't think it's a cleanliness
>thing. Is it just a Florida thing?
I haven't seen them in sushi bars. Maybe they come in with
the lemons.
--Blair
"Fruit flies like an arrow.
No. Wait..."
Dan Logcher
> Dan Logcher <dlogcher*xspam*@attbi.com> wrote:
> >Blair hammed it up:
> >> Hell, they have poisonous jellyfish not ten feet from where
> >> I'm sitting! Comp! I want a comp! I was almost killed!
> >> And my god! The food! It's all RAW! (faints)
> >
> >If the roaches were encased in glass, it would be a big issue.
> >It would be gross, but not as bad as it running across the table.
> >You know if they run across the table, they're running around
> >the plates in the back..
>
> Bugs aren't as statistical as all that. The bug running
> across the table could be running away from the extra
> Dursban® that was laid down in the kitchen.
Mmmm, Dursban. One of my favorite lawn products, along with
Diazanon.
> Or, as I first said, a drunk from within the walls who
> only made an appearance because he got a snootful of
> the spray from the day before. Spraying *causes* sightings.
I understand. I would just hope never to sight any.
> >> You got more germs on your hands pulling your chair up
> >> to the table than that cockroach could bring with him
> >> in ten trips.
> >
> >Perhaps at the place you dine.
>
> I'd bet real money that nowhere you eat disinfects the
> underside edges of the chairs every night, but does serve
> raw fish and other finger foods to people who pick their
> noses and don't wash after using the bathroom.
Luckily I use my chopsticks to eat my sushi.
> >I prefer a cleaner enviornment.
> >cockroaches carry some bad germs.
>
> No doubt, but to be relativist, not as bad as most people.
> Not nearly as bad as most people's shoes. People like parents
> who let their kids stand on the chairs.
I saw a 20/20 or Dateline about how clean public areas are, like
elevators and phone booths.. Pretty nasty stuff like fecal matter
can be found on phone handsets.
> >And if you don't know
> >what they've touched you can't wash it. I can wash my hands
> >clean of most bad germs.
>
> But not all. VECTOR! CARRIER! UNCLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN!
Huh?
> You know what kills me (maybe literally, some day)?
> "Anti-bacterial" soaps with the label "kills 99% of germs".
> What they don't mention is, "the other 1% is still enough
> to start a new colony on your mucosal membranes and lay
> you up for six months".
I don't use any of that crap! It causes super germs and doesn't
allow you to exercise your immune system. I use regular soup
to wash my hands, dishes, etc. If people use all this ant-bacterial
stuff, they may not be able to defend against the bad germs
that can withstand it.
> >How do I wash someone else's
> >restaurant?
>
> Like I said. If it crawls into sight, dispatch it and
> ask for a wipe and a new napkin (or salmon-skin roll, if
> you panicked and used that).
How much of an appetite can one have after having to do this?
I don't have to dispatch roaches in my home, so how used to it
can I be?
> Cleanliness and chemical pesticides are a GOOD thing,
> but even health-department standards aren't iron-clad
> guarantees, and a restaurant doing mid-quality business
> in an old, expensive, jaded city can't be expected to be
> as clean as an operating room*.
As long as they dispose of leftover food, and keep the kitchen
clean, why would bugs nest there? They need food and water
to survive. They must be getting food from this place in order
to feed and reproduce.
--
Dan
Dan Logcher
> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:51:31 GMT, Dan Logcher
> <dlogcher*xspam*@attbi.com> wrote:
>
> >Actually, I've never seen a roach in any restaurant I've eaten
> >at. I've seen flies.. Never roaches.
>
> Dan, you're a regular here, and knowledgeable, and I respect your
> opinions.
Thankyou. I'm not trying to be a jerk about this issue.
> But if you've never seen a roach in a restaraunt, you haven't gotten
> out much. I've worked in the restaraunt biz in some fashion most of my
> life, and all restaraunts have roaches in some form from time to time.
> Keeping them out of the serving areas usually isn't a problem, as the
> steady food supplies are generally back in the kitchen. The upper end
> restaraunts have overnight cleaning people, and if they're good they
> can take care of minor infestations, but they can't stop the constant
> onslaught of bugs that comes in daily with food deliveries.
I do eat out often. I ate at the Southeast Asian Restaurant for their
lunch buffet yesterday and at the White Star for drinks and apps
yesterday evening.
I have not always inspected the kitchens of every place I've eaten, so
maybe the bugs tend to stay in the back where the food is prepped..
But I have seen the kitchens of some, and never sited any bugs.
> There are location variables also - some cities have a lot more roach
> problems than others. NYC is one of the worst, with Washington DC and
> Richmond VA up there. I live in Nashville, TN, for some reason there
> are a lot fewer roaches here than other places, despite the perfect
> climate for them.
Most of my dining is done in Boston, so perhaps we're one of the cities
with less of a roach problem.
> Flies are worse than roaches btw - roaches are many times cleaner than
> flies by a long shot.
I'll have to take your word on that, since I'm not a bug expert.
--
Dan
Dan Logcher
> In article <3D2DAA38...@attbi.com>,
> Dan Logcher <dlogcher*xspam*@attbi.com> wrote:
> snip
>
> > I've seen flies.. Never roaches.
>
> On that note. Every once in a while I see little fruit fly looking
> things flying around at different sushi bars. Has anyone else seen
> these? Maybe I'm going crazy(my wife and kids think so) :^). I've seen
> them in some very nice sushi bars so I don't think it's a cleanliness
> thing. Is it just a Florida thing?
Yes, that was the kind of the fly I was refering too, but I've also seen
house flies in other restaurants.
--
Dan
Burnt@ut
<dlogcher*xspam*@attbi.com> wrote:
>
>
>Most of my dining is done in Boston, so perhaps we're one of the cities
>with less of a roach problem.
I have heard that Boston is one of the few east coast cities with
fewer bugs than most. Could be the cold winters?
>> Flies are worse than roaches btw - roaches are many times cleaner than
>> flies by a long shot.
>
>I'll have to take your word on that, since I'm not a bug expert.
No one want's to be a bug expert. But I've heard that flies are much
worse than roaches, which are supposedly immaculately clean, as far as
bugs go.
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>
>As long as they dispose of leftover food, and keep the kitchen
>clean, why would bugs nest there? They need food and water
>to survive. They must be getting food from this place in order
>to feed and reproduce.
Older buildings have pipe leaks and puddling from roof leaks
that might not create a problem on their own but provide
an entomologically satisfactory environment.
And unless you build that stainless-steel sani-restaurant
I described, you'll never clean up every crumb of food.
One crumb is a week's rations for a bug. A grease smear
or a piece of gum on the underside of a table is a banquet.
You can minimize the problem and prevent a population
explosion with pesticides, but unless you have a detached
building and do a full-structure gassing, you will not
actually exterminate the infestation. And even if you do
that, it's only a temporary solution. Depending on how
far away the next infestation is, it's only a question of
how long it will be until you're back in the bug-killing
business.
One guy going bugfuck over a roach on the table in
Manhattan and demanding a boycott of the restaurant
is an overreaction of biblical proportions.
--Blair
"If they were big enough to filet,
you can bet *this* newsgroup wouldn't
have a problem..."
Dan Logcher
> One guy going bugfuck over a roach on the table in
> Manhattan and demanding a boycott of the restaurant
> is an overreaction of biblical proportions.
Perhaps the boycott is a bit much, but I would think twice
before returning if it were me.
--
Dan
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>No one want's to be a bug expert. But I've heard that flies are much
>worse than roaches, which are supposedly immaculately clean, as far as
>bugs go.
They do groom, which is one reason they're easy to kill
just by leaving powder for them to walk through.
Flies groom also, but seek out feces as a meal, and use
a system of regurgitation and reingestion to eat.
Scorpions do not groom. You can put out granules with
pesticide coating, on the theory that if a scorpion happens
to crawl straight over one some poison might rub onto its
mandibles and stick and be ingested eventually. And then
they just get stupid and come out in the daylight or
the middle of the room and make more of a pest than when
they were hiding in the crack between the wall and the
foundation. The best way to get rid of them is to kill
every other insect within a quarter-mile radius, thus
cutting off their food supply. Then they start to eat
each other and, if the population isn't above the critical
mass necessary to keep itself going through cannibalism,
extinct themselves.
And I'm pretty sure I have a tarantula living in a hole under
the tree in my front yard. But he might have died.
--Blair
"Not enough meat on those, either."
Ken Blake
spam]@world.std.com (Blair P. Houghton)> wrote:
> Cleanliness and chemical pesticides are a GOOD thing,
> but even health-department standards aren't iron-clad
> guarantees, and a restaurant doing mid-quality business
> in an old, expensive, jaded city can't be expected to be
> as clean as an operating room*.
There's probably no such thing as absolute cleanliness, even in
an operating room.
Ken Blake
>> Like I said. If it crawls into sight, dispatch it and
>> ask for a wipe and a new napkin (or salmon-skin roll, if
>> you panicked and used that).
>
> How much of an appetite can one have after having to do this?
To me, this hits the nail on the head. It's not so much about
real cleanliness, as it is the appearance of cleanliness. I know
very well that not all restaurants are scrupulously clean. I
probably eat regularly at some places where, if I could see went
on in the kitchen, I'd never go back.
But I don't see everything, and if it *looks* clean, I assume
that it is clean, or it isn't too bad. If I weren't willing to
make such an assumption, I'd probably never eat out. I wouldn't
be able to buy much in the supermarket either--the food there is
probably treated no better.
But I have to eat something, and recognizing that I can't
completely protect myself from uncleanliness, I ignore what I
can't see. I think most of us do the same. But when it becomes
overt and visible, we get turned off and stay away from the
partcular place.
Ken Blake
> Dan Logcher <dlogcher*xspam*@attbi.com> wrote:
>> Ok keep it clean to begin with to prevent infestation.
>
> A myth. Cockroaches may thrive in ridiculous numbers
> in unclean environments, but they can survive in small
> numbers on things you can't clean without stripping the
> walls nightly. You'd have to build out of steel sheeting
> and weld it like a boat hull, then hose it with disinfectant
> and insecticide every night. And you'd still get bugs
> coming in on subway riders' handbags.
When we lived in an apartment in NYC, we had a constant battle
with cockroaches. *Our* apartment was kept clean, and we
periodically disinfected everything, and got rid of them for a
few days. But other apartments in the building still had them and
they kept coming back.
We never won the battle until we moved out and into a house of
own. Immediately before we moved, we disinfected evertything
(with an industrial-strength insecticide) so we wouldn't take
them with us.
We never had a problem again. Note that our standard of
cleanliness didn't change after we moved. The only thing that
changed in thath we were no longer in an apartment house where
other people had them and they kept coming through the walls.
Gastronome
Mmmmm.. silverfish gunkan. :)
Gastronome
>who let their kids stand on the chairs.
Ugh.. or pet peeve.. people who let their diapered babies sit on tables and
countertops where food is served. (I'm talking about just a diaper.. no outer
covering or garment). These are probably the same parents who change their
kid's diapers and then leave the used one rolled up in a ball in the parking
lot.
Ecch.. after that, a wayward roach doesn't sound that bad.
Had a roach sighting once, at a Chinese restaurant in NJ. The manager appeared,
and smashed the roach with a napkin. No comp, no apologies. And we still ate
there. Of course, 3 out of 4 of us got sick, but I don't think it was the
roach's fault.. it could have been that were were all kind of pre-grossed out
and made ourselves sick.
Only other vermin sighting was a rat that my friend claimed he saw at an
Ethiopian restaurant in the Village (my back was to the wall).
Funny, I'd rather see a rat, or a mouse, than a roach.
Gastronome
>elevators and phone booths.. Pretty nasty stuff like fecal matter
>can be found on phone handsets.
Fecal matter and urine deposits also end up in those little bowls of pretzels
and peanuts at a bar.
>As long as they dispose of leftover food, and keep the kitchen
>clean, why would bugs nest there?
Depends on the building. Doesn't matter on the cleanliness of the kitchen...
roaches can hide in the walls for months, years, and feed off the glue, and
even each other.
Christopher Browne
> Funny, I'd rather see a rat, or a mouse, than a roach.
Which is totally irrational, from a "health safety" point of view, but
I agree with you totally.
--
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GottaMoveIt
business ethic?
Ken Blake <kbl...@this.is.an.invalid.domain.com> wrote in message
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Mike
thread. First, my reason for the orginal posting was primarily due to the
piss poor reaction that I received from Sushi Hana management regarding a
roach crawling across my table in the middle of a meal. I didn't appreciate
being told that I was lucky not to have been charged for the original meal
(that I never got close to finishing) because we lost our appetittes. I've
lived in Manhattan for 6 years and I know its not the cleanest place in the
world. I see the occational roach or rat in the subway or dead on the
street. During the past 6 years, I have had about 2000 dinners in Manhattan
and during that time, I have seen one roach during my dining. That was at
Sushi Hana. As I mentioned, I had been to Sushi Hana about 100 times and
enjoyed eating there until this experience. I was willing to give them
another chance, but management's attitude was piss poor and therefore I
choose to take my business elsewhere and recommended that anyone reading
this thread do the same. I don't know where everyone lives who has been
responding to this thread, however, in my neighborhood there over a dozen
Sushi resturants within a 5 minute walk of my appartment. I think Japanesse
is only second to Italian in its poliforiation on the Upper East Side. I
have more than enough dining options in NYC that I don't need to go to any
restaurant twice. Also, please don't think I am squeamish. You don't live
in NYC if you can't put up with a lot of crap. One thing I don't need to
put up with is a cockroach running across my table in a restaurant and then
management's ridiculous attitude to a very loyal customer. That is why I
recommend not eating at Sushi Hana ( 2nd Ave and 78th street, NYC).
Dan Logcher
> perhaps the notion that 'the customer is always right' is only an American
> business ethic?
Perhaps. But we are talking about a restaurant in NYC.
--
Dan
Ken Blake
> perhaps the notion that 'the customer is always right' is only
> an American business ethic?
Excuse me? You replied to my post. What does your comment above
have to do with what I said below?
Shad
"GottaMoveIt" <ca...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> perhaps the notion that 'the customer is always right' is only an American
> business ethic?
>
Anyone who has
been to any store, restaurant or even gas station in Japan could tell you
this.
In fact the notion is "Kyaku wa kamisama" (The customer is God).
Shad
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>perhaps the notion that 'the customer is always right' is only an American
>business ethic?
It's a myth.
The real meaning of it is "treat the customer as though
he knows what he's talking about." It's a sales tactic,
not just a customer-service dictum. It's an important
thing to remember, because salespeople often extrapolate
what the customer wants, and often get it wrong. Which
kills the sale dead.
Anyone who thinks it means "let the customer have anything
he wants" is begging to go out of business, or has such
huge profit margins (casinos) that getting more business
from that customer far overwhelms any loss due to his request.
--Blair
"Free booze? Sure."
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>in NYC if you can't put up with a lot of crap. One thing I don't need to
>put up with is a cockroach running across my table in a restaurant and then
>management's ridiculous attitude to a very loyal customer. That is why I
>recommend not eating at Sushi Hana ( 2nd Ave and 78th street, NYC).
If you've got that many options, you can be as picky as
you like.
You haven't quite described the "piss-poor" attitude of
the management yet, either.
And wasn't it on 1st Ave the other day?
--Blair
"Maybe they moved because the building
has roaches."
GottaMoveIt
> GottaMoveIt <ca...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> > perhaps the notion that 'the customer is always right' is only
> > an American business ethic?
>
>
> Excuse me? You replied to my post. What does your comment above
> have to do with what I said below?
>
> --
> Ken Blake
> Please reply to the newsgroup
sorry, clicked on the wrong line....prism lenses need adjustments...
Ken Blake
> Ken Blake <kbl...@this.is.an.invalid.domain.com> wrote in
> message news:uj39b4q...@corp.supernews.com...
>> GottaMoveIt <ca...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> perhaps the notion that 'the customer is always right' is
>>> only an American business ethic?
>>
>>
>> Excuse me? You replied to my post. What does your comment
>> above have to do with what I said below?
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake
>> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
> sorry, clicked on the wrong line....prism lenses need
> adjustments...
OK--it happens.
Her Serene Highness
"Mike" <mike_in...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Gastronome
>thread. First, my reason for the
I suggest following up with a written letter to the management expressing your
discontent.
Mike
yet, either.
Telling me I was lucky that I didn't have to pay for a meal, when the
manager of the resturant is running around the table trying to kill a roach
is "piss poor" attititude in my book.
> And wasn't it on 1st Ave the other day?
My mistake. I had my cockroach adventure at:
Sushi Hana
1501 2nd Avenue
New York, NY 10021
Thanks for keeping this thread going. It looks great when someone does a
search.
Regards,
Mike
Mike
> The real meaning of it is "treat the customer as though
> he knows what he's talking about." It's a sales tactic,
> not just a customer-service dictum. It's an important
> thing to remember, because salespeople often extrapolate
> what the customer wants, and often get it wrong. Which
> kills the sale dead.
>
> Anyone who thinks it means "let the customer have anything
> he wants" is begging to go out of business, or has such
> huge profit margins (casinos) that getting more business
> from that customer far overwhelms any loss due to his request.
>
> --Blair
> "Free booze? Sure."
When I spoke to the manager I told him exactly what I would like as a
gesture of goodwill for the past 100 times I had eaten in his restaurant.
He said no and then insulted me with is reasoning about me paying for a meal
with a cockroach as a dinner guest, so I decided to air my grievances in a
public forum. I used to recommend the restaurant to my friends. Now its
just the opposite. In the end he will loose more money than if he had given
me with a meal ~$50. Know there is a public record to how badly Sushi Hana
treats its customers.
"Never mess with a New Yorker."
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>Blair wrote:
>> You haven't quite described the "piss-poor" attitude of the management
>yet, either.
>
>Telling me I was lucky that I didn't have to pay for a meal, when the
>manager of the resturant is running around the table trying to kill a roach
>is "piss poor" attititude in my book.
That's not when they were telling you that. Be careful
you don't lie yourself into a corner.
>> And wasn't it on 1st Ave the other day?
>
>My mistake. I had my cockroach adventure at:
>Sushi Hana
>
>1501 2nd Avenue
Changing your story doesn't help, either.
>Thanks for keeping this thread going. It looks great when someone does a
>search.
You mean like the lawyers for the owners of Sushi Hana, like?
Yeah. They'll get a big kick of knowing you're libeling a
business that in the first place offered to move you and
not make you pay for perfectly good food while it made
you a new meal, and in the second place refused to knuckle
under to veiled threats of meritricious blackmail made by
a drunk with an axe to grind (you did say you spent an
hour drinking and discussing the plan before you went back).
--Blair
"Try McDonald's. Their policy book doesn't
allow managers to see through scams."
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>blair wrote:
>> Anyone who thinks it means "let the customer have anything
>> he wants" is begging to go out of business, or has such
>> huge profit margins (casinos) that getting more business
>> from that customer far overwhelms any loss due to his request.
>When I spoke to the manager I told him exactly what I would like as a
>gesture of goodwill for the past 100 times I had eaten in his restaurant.
>He said no and then insulted me with is reasoning about me paying for a meal
>with a cockroach as a dinner guest, so I decided to air my grievances in a
>public forum.
Did you not first imply to him that you would make your
displeasure a matter of worldwide discussion?
>I used to recommend the restaurant to my friends. Now its
>just the opposite. In the end he will loose more money than if he had given
>me with a meal ~$50. Know there is a public record to how badly Sushi Hana
>treats its customers.
I'm reasonably certain if you'd acted like a man in the
first place and accepted to be moved but discussed the
comp with him then that he'd probably have been a bit more
receptive. But you skipped out, validating the cardinal
fear of all restaurant employees. Which pretty much erases
any goodwill you believe you'd built up with the guy. Coming
back an hour later to put the squeeze on him may have been
perfectly awful timing. He'd likely rather have seen the
cockroach again, at that point.
Also, remember that "there's no such thing as bad publicity".
He's probably gotten three new customers because of this.
>"Never mess with a New Yorker."
Are you saying the manager of Sushi Hana isn't a New Yorker?
--Blair
"If you want someone to 'don't go there',
then why give them such detailed directions?"
Dan Logcher
> Yeah. They'll get a big kick of knowing you're libeling a
> business that in the first place offered to move you and
> not make you pay for perfectly good food while it made
> you a new meal, and in the second place refused to knuckle
> under to veiled threats of meritricious blackmail made by
> a drunk with an axe to grind (you did say you spent an
> hour drinking and discussing the plan before you went back).
Yes, the owner offered to move him to another part of a roach
infested restaurant. Oh what fun! So is stating his experience
and telling people to stay away libel?
--
Dan
Michael
can be expensive but it can also be reasonable.
"Mike" <mike_in...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Michael
"Shad" <Sh...@gill.net> wrote in message
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Have to agree. When I worked for Itochu we had difficulty in getting the
manufacturers to charge for change orders.
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>
>Yes, the owner offered to move him to another part of a roach
>infested restaurant. Oh what fun! So is stating his experience
>and telling people to stay away libel?
One drunk roach isn't an "infestation". The manager said
they'd sprayed the place. The only roach the customer
ever saw was dead. No infestaton. Just a mook trying to
get something without paying.
--Blair
"And he's not there anymore either."
Dan Logcher
Ya see one, there's plenty you don't see. It probably is infested..
But anyways, how is what he said libel?
--
Dan
Mike
Libel is making false statements that are damaging to the reputation of a
person or organization. Everything that I've stated about my experience at
Sushi Hana's is true, therefore it is not libel. Sushi Hana does have
cockroaches.
Now you say that I'm lying. Looks like you're making some libelous
statements about me. Also, why do you spend so much time adding to this
thread and put so much energy into defending a resturant. You seem to have
some other motivation. Maybe you're somehow affiliated with Sushi Hana?
Get a life.
Mike
name to be blamed for Sushi Hana's roach infestation.
ii) I never told the manager at Sushi Hana, that I was going to broadcast
their roach infestation to the world. The idea of putting my experience
on-line came later.
iii) The manager at Sushi Hana isn't a real New Yorker.
iv) Blair, get a life.
<blair[no spam]@world.std.com (Blair P. Houghton)> wrote in message
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Michael
Libel requires a lie. A perfectly good meal does not include a cockroach
scampering across the table. To me it would have been no problem as I would
have viewed it as the opening of a negotiation. Our original poster however
was sickened by the encounter and should have been comped at least this meal
and the next visit with copious apologies.
And exactly when was it established that the original poster was
intoxicated?
Michael
<blair[no spam]@world.std.com (Blair P. Houghton)> wrote in message
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> Mike <mike_in...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >blair wrote:
> >> Anyone who thinks it means "let the customer have anything
> >> he wants" is begging to go out of business, or has such
> >> huge profit margins (casinos) that getting more business
> >> from that customer far overwhelms any loss due to his request.
> >> "Free booze? Sure."
No, the business that treats a four year customer with such callous
disrespect is very short sighted. I have a restaurant that I have been a
good customer of for over twenty five years. I am respectful of the
realities of a restaurant business and have become friends with the owner.
He has no problem with coming to me and asking if my usual table can be
given to another group for whatever reason. I have never turned him down
and in return they host my company's Christmas party of thirty with no
complaints. Their policy is for no parties greater that ten. As Mr. Orwell
wrote, some pigs are more equal than others.
>
> >When I spoke to the manager I told him exactly what I would like as a
> >gesture of goodwill for the past 100 times I had eaten in his restaurant.
> >He said no and then insulted me with is reasoning about me paying for a
meal
> >with a cockroach as a dinner guest, so I decided to air my grievances in
a
> >public forum.
Perfectly acceptable and if I was still visiting NY on a regular basis I
would have more dutifully noted it. As anyone who reads this NG with
regularity knows if I am in NY I'm headed for Hatsuhana.
>
> Did you not first imply to him that you would make your
> displeasure a matter of worldwide discussion?
>
> >I used to recommend the restaurant to my friends. Now its
> >just the opposite. In the end he will loose more money than if he had
given
> >me with a meal ~$50. Know there is a public record to how badly Sushi
Hana
> >treats its customers.
The manager is an idiot.
>
> I'm reasonably certain if you'd acted like a man in the
> first place and accepted to be moved but discussed the
> comp with him then that he'd probably have been a bit more
> receptive. But you skipped out, validating the cardinal
> fear of all restaurant employees. Which pretty much erases
> any goodwill you believe you'd built up with the guy. Coming
> back an hour later to put the squeeze on him may have been
> perfectly awful timing. He'd likely rather have seen the
> cockroach again, at that point.
>
I think the good will was gone when the manager offered a poor compensation
for the cockroach dash. Perhaps the manager had had to make more than one
explanation that day?
> Also, remember that "there's no such thing as bad publicity".
> He's probably gotten three new customers because of this.
But lost thirty.
>
> >"Never mess with a New Yorker."
>
> Are you saying the manager of Sushi Hana isn't a New Yorker?
Dollars to donuts he's not one.
>
> --Blair
> "If you want someone to 'don't go there',
> then why give them such detailed directions?"
So they don't screw up. Hatsuhana has two midtown locations and one stinks.
Always go to the one at 48th and Mad.
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>Ya see one, there's plenty you don't see.
Ya see one, ya see one. The ones you think might be
there could all be dead.
>It probably is infested..
It probably *was* infested.
>But anyways, how is what he said libel?
If it isn't true (and it isn't), and it was intended to
cause the owner to lose business, it's libel.
--Blair
"cfv: alt.food.sushi.law"
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>Blair,
>
>Libel is making false statements that are damaging to the reputation of a
>person or organization. Everything that I've stated about my experience at
>Sushi Hana's is true, therefore it is not libel. Sushi Hana does have
>cockroaches.
Cockroach. Singular. Now dead.
>Now you say that I'm lying. Looks like you're making some libelous
>statements about me.
Cockroach. Now dead. Have you seen another? Did you
see any others before? You are lying when you say
it is infested. Therefore what I say is true. And you
have nothing to lose by any statements I make. So while
you are able to cut and paste the definition of libel,
you are unable to understand it.
Get a lawyer to help you understand the last couple of
weeks, but wear a catcher's mask, because when he reads
this thread he's going to bitch-slap you.
>Also, why do you spend so much time adding to this
>thread and put so much energy into defending a resturant.
Because you're a pussy and a liar and I make a hobby
of ensuring such people get no chance to profit morally
from their social errors.
>You seem to have
>some other motivation. Maybe you're somehow affiliated with Sushi Hana?
Only if the manager also thinks you're a pussy and a liar.
I'd bet money on it. So would his lawyer, if he read this
thread.
>Get a life.
My life would make an award-winning 200-episode TV
series. Yours would inspire a one-line obit:
"Once actually stood on a table and went 'Eek'."
Out of respect for the dead and worthless, they'll
leave out the part where you went back to shake down
the proprietor.
--Blair
"And the Yankees suck."
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>Libel requires a lie. A perfectly good meal does not include a cockroach
>scampering across the table. To me it would have been no problem as I would
>have viewed it as the opening of a negotiation. Our original poster however
>was sickened by the encounter and should have been comped at least this meal
>and the next visit with copious apologies.
Legally, the restaurant is under no obligation to do so.
The poster is legally required not to represent one
cockroach as an "infestation" in order to harm the
business of the restaurant.
Since it was probably obvious from the first moment that
this guy was a pain in the ass and not worth any excess
effort, the restaurant's decision is also morally sound.
And if we surveyed the other customers, it's possible that
losing him turned out to improve business.
He's perfectly right to vote with his feet. Posting
that he had a problem with a restaurant is also fine.
But doing it in a disingenuous manner simply to injure the
restaurant's reputation and profit because he was spurned
in his attempt to cadge free food is over the line far
enough that I as a juror would turn my thumb down.
>And exactly when was it established that the original poster was
>intoxicated?
He talked about spending an hour at a bar in an agitated
state while deciding how to carry out his plot. That he
actually tried to go through with it gives at least one
reasonable observer (me) probable cause to believe he
was judgmentally impaired, if not completely looped.
--Blair
"Naivety is not a substitute for sense."
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>i) I give the address, because I don't want another restaurant with the same
>name to be blamed for Sushi Hana's
And you got it wrong, so you're lucky there isn't one on 1st.
Unless there is. Then you've caused harm to two businesses.
>roach infestation.
Prove "infestation", or admit that you know you can't.
>ii) I never told the manager at Sushi Hana, that I was going to broadcast
>their roach infestation to the world. The idea of putting my experience
>on-line came later.
Well, at least you have that going for you.
>iii) The manager at Sushi Hana isn't a real New Yorker.
Neither are you, unless maybe you're full-blooded Mohegan.
>iv) Blair, get a life.
Mike, get a clue.
Being a whining baby is one thing. Keeping it up when
you've been shown that you're violating civil law is
just wrong.
--Blair
"Good thing he didn't badmouth
the veggies in Texas."
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>
><blair[no spam]@world.std.com (Blair P. Houghton)> wrote in message
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>> Mike <mike_in...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >blair wrote:
>> >> Anyone who thinks it means "let the customer have anything
>> >> he wants" is begging to go out of business, or has such
>> >> huge profit margins (casinos) that getting more business
>> >> from that customer far overwhelms any loss due to his request.
>> >> "Free booze? Sure."
>
>No, the business that treats a four year customer with such callous
>disrespect is very short sighted.
It's one crybaby customer shortsighted.
The way the complaint escalated to blatant libel before
our eyes just makes the manager look all the smarter.
>I have a restaurant that I have been a
>good customer of for over twenty five years. I am respectful of the
>realities of a restaurant business and have become friends with the owner.
>He has no problem with coming to me and asking if my usual table can be
>given to another group for whatever reason. I have never turned him down
>and in return they host my company's Christmas party of thirty with no
>complaints. Their policy is for no parties greater that ten. As Mr. Orwell
>wrote, some pigs are more equal than others.
You are a good customer and a friend. We do not know the
same about this guy. He could just be another face that
comes into the same store and orders and eats and pays and
tips average and leaves, several times a week for several
years. McDonald's has about 42 million such customers.
>Perfectly acceptable and if I was still visiting NY on a regular basis I
>would have more dutifully noted it. As anyone who reads this NG with
>regularity knows if I am in NY I'm headed for Hatsuhana.
Hatsuhana would probably have comped the meal even if
the management didn't get a chance to see the roach the
customer saw. But they also probably charge an extra buck
a slice for the fish. There's a difference between a place
with an expansive, upscale clientele and a neighborhood
joint in a neighborhood of lifelong schnorrers.
>The manager is an idiot.
You know that how? He loses one customer, who could have
bailed after the free meal anyway. He knows one cockroach
won't keep people away from the restaurant, and if the
spurned customer turns it into many cockroaches he knows
he has a libel suit.
How to turn it into many cockroaches legally: report the
sighting to the health department. I hear the one in
NYC got really anal during Giuliani's tenure as king.
They'll go into the store, count the egg sacs and fly
specks, and report them in the public record, if there
are any. The public will be warned, and you won't have
done anything illegal.
>I think the good will was gone when the manager offered a poor compensation
>for the cockroach dash. Perhaps the manager had had to make more than one
>explanation that day?
Possibly, but there's no indication. More likely he was
strapped because of the spraying.
>> Also, remember that "there's no such thing as bad publicity".
>> He's probably gotten three new customers because of this.
>
>But lost thirty.
That'd be really really bad. It'd make the libel case rock solid.
>> >"Never mess with a New Yorker."
>> Are you saying the manager of Sushi Hana isn't a New Yorker?
>
>Dollars to donuts he's not one.
If we were betting, I'd bet he resides on the premises.
>> "If you want someone to 'don't go there',
>> then why give them such detailed directions?"
>
>So they don't screw up. Hatsuhana has two midtown locations and one stinks.
>Always go to the one at 48th and Mad.
I was speaking figuratively. The "don't go there" is a
reference to the argument over mike_in_nyc2000's veiled
racism that is about to begin.
--Blair
"Some days it pays not to talk."
Gastronome
I'd try it, out of curiosity.
>"If you want someone to 'don't go there',
then why give them such detailed directions?"
Hmmm.. good point.
Dan Logcher
> It's one crybaby customer shortsighted.
>
> The way the complaint escalated to blatant libel before
> our eyes just makes the manager look all the smarter.
It would have been smarter to comp the meal even for a crybaby.
A $50 would have ensured his return for more..
> >I have a restaurant that I have been a
> >good customer of for over twenty five years. I am respectful of the
> >realities of a restaurant business and have become friends with the owner.
> >He has no problem with coming to me and asking if my usual table can be
> >given to another group for whatever reason. I have never turned him down
> >and in return they host my company's Christmas party of thirty with no
> >complaints. Their policy is for no parties greater that ten. As Mr. Orwell
> >wrote, some pigs are more equal than others.
>
> You are a good customer and a friend. We do not know the
> same about this guy. He could just be another face that
> comes into the same store and orders and eats and pays and
> tips average and leaves, several times a week for several
> years. McDonald's has about 42 million such customers.
So the average customer is dirt? The guy who orders, eats, pays,
and tips average and leaves is still a customer.
> >Perfectly acceptable and if I was still visiting NY on a regular basis I
> >would have more dutifully noted it. As anyone who reads this NG with
> >regularity knows if I am in NY I'm headed for Hatsuhana.
>
> Hatsuhana would probably have comped the meal even if
> the management didn't get a chance to see the roach the
> customer saw. But they also probably charge an extra buck
> a slice for the fish. There's a difference between a place
> with an expansive, upscale clientele and a neighborhood
> joint in a neighborhood of lifelong schnorrers.
Maybe more that an extra buck.. but even so, they know how
to treat customers.
> >The manager is an idiot.
>
> You know that how? He loses one customer, who could have
> bailed after the free meal anyway. He knows one cockroach
> won't keep people away from the restaurant, and if the
> spurned customer turns it into many cockroaches he knows
> he has a libel suit.
No he doesn't. The manager does not have a suit. You keep saying
he does, but most people here don't agree.
> How to turn it into many cockroaches legally: report the
> sighting to the health department. I hear the one in
> NYC got really anal during Giuliani's tenure as king.
> They'll go into the store, count the egg sacs and fly
> specks, and report them in the public record, if there
> are any. The public will be warned, and you won't have
> done anything illegal.
He probably should have done this as well. Or not.
> >I think the good will was gone when the manager offered a poor compensation
> >for the cockroach dash. Perhaps the manager had had to make more than one
> >explanation that day?
>
> Possibly, but there's no indication. More likely he was
> strapped because of the spraying.
Strapped for cash at a sushi bar? If that's the case then he appears to be
a poor manager.
> >> Also, remember that "there's no such thing as bad publicity".
> >> He's probably gotten three new customers because of this.
> >
> >But lost thirty.
>
> That'd be really really bad. It'd make the libel case rock solid.
Doubt it. How can you prove he looses business.
> >> >"Never mess with a New Yorker."
> >> Are you saying the manager of Sushi Hana isn't a New Yorker?
> >
> >Dollars to donuts he's not one.
>
> If we were betting, I'd bet he resides on the premises.
Ewwwww.. with the roach(es).
> >> "If you want someone to 'don't go there',
> >> then why give them such detailed directions?"
> >
> >So they don't screw up. Hatsuhana has two midtown locations and one stinks.
> >Always go to the one at 48th and Mad.
>
> I was speaking figuratively. The "don't go there" is a
> reference to the argument over mike_in_nyc2000's veiled
> racism that is about to begin.
Racism? Where do you get this stuff?
--
Dan
Charles Demas
Dan Logcher <dlogcher*xspam*@attbi.com> wrote:
>"Blair P. Houghton" wrote:
>
>> It's one crybaby customer shortsighted.
>>
>> The way the complaint escalated to blatant libel before
>> our eyes just makes the manager look all the smarter.
>
>It would have been smarter to comp the meal even for a crybaby.
>A $50 would have ensured his return for more..
The guy walked out without even talking to the manager.
What kind of courtesy does that entitle such a customer to?
Then he returned later and tried to extort a free meal.
The owner can do without this kind of customer.
Chuck Demas
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> Mike <mike_in...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Just a recommendation, don't go to Sushi Hana at 1st Ave and 78th
> >Street in New York City. I can't believe what just happened to me.
> >I've been eating at Sushi Hana for the past 5 years. I must have
> >been there over 100 times. My wife and I were there tonight and we
> >had a cockroach run across the table in the middle of our meal. My
> >wife was horrified and I was pretty grossed out.
> You have roaches in your head.
Yep. I've got news for you. EVERY building in NYC has
roaches. Every one. Period.
> 5. Eat at Sushi Hana on 78th & 1st. Its customers come
> back for years and almost never see an unavoidable pest.
Hundreds of visits and once - once - an oddity? Sounds
like a pretty enviable record.
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> "Burnt@ut" wrote:
>
> > Oh grow up. There are roaches everywhere in NYC. If the roach runs out
> > of your food, worry about it. Otherwise, fuhgeddaboudit.
>
> You can fuhgeddaboutit, but I wouldn't.. I've been to restaurants in NYC
> and I didn't see roaches. So apparently they aren't everywhere. Where
> they are present, there must be a cleanliness issue.
They're there. You didn't see them. But they were there.
_Every_ building in Manhattan has roaches. Some more, some
less. Some visible, some mainly hiding in walls. But they
_all_ have them.
Mike
> Get a lawyer to help you understand the last couple of
> weeks, but wear a catcher's mask, because when he reads
> this thread he's going to bitch-slap you.
Are you a lawyer??? My wife happens to be an attorney and I showed her this
thread. After she stopped laughing at your ignorant remarks, she said that
I have nothing to worry about from the Sushi police.
>
> >Also, why do you spend so much time adding to this
> >thread and put so much energy into defending a resturant.
>
> Because you're a pussy and a liar and I make a hobby
> of ensuring such people get no chance to profit morally
> from their social errors.
And maybe because you have nothing better to do with your life than write
shit on the internet.
> My life would make an award-winning 200-episode TV
> series. Yours would inspire a one-line obit:
Great comback!! Blair, you're a fucking ignorant dick who needs to get some
hobbies.
Mike
Thanks for your support. You show that there are some reasonable people on
the internet.
Regards,
Mike
"Dan Logcher" <dlogcher*xspam*@attbi.com> wrote in message
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Mike
I did not walk out without notifying management. The manager was trying
to kill the roach on my table when I notified him of the problem.
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Mike
starts crawling across the table.
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Mike
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Mike
<BreadW...@fractious.net> wrote in message
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> bl...@world.std.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
> > Mike <mike_in...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >Just a recommendation, don't go to Sushi Hana at 1st Ave and 78th
> > >Street in New York City. I can't believe what just happened to me.
> > >I've been eating at Sushi Hana for the past 5 years. I must have
> > >been there over 100 times. My wife and I were there tonight and we
> > >had a cockroach run across the table in the middle of our meal. My
> > >wife was horrified and I was pretty grossed out.
>
> > You have roaches in your head.
>
> Yep. I've got news for you. EVERY building in NYC has
> roaches. Every one. Period.
>
> > 5. Eat at Sushi Hana on 78th & 1st. Its customers come
> > back for years and almost never see an unavoidable pest.
>
> Hundreds of visits and once - once - an oddity? Sounds
> like a pretty enviable record.
>
Actually thats the only roach I've seen in a resturant in Manhattan while I
lived here for the past 6 years. So Sushi Hana does to the bottom of the
list.
Mike
I'm very interested to know what you do with your life. I look on the
newsgroups and see you must have posted several throusand messages during
the past 6 months alone. And these seem to go all the way back to 1995.
Maybe earlier. Do you have a job? I know you couldn't be independently
wealthy because someone so ignorant and f@#king stupid probably couldn't
hold a job for very long, hence the excessive number of stupid postings.
Thats not lible, its the truth.
This really exemplifies the downside of the internet. That a person like
you could come into the lives of the rest of us. Please tell us about
yourself. How is it that someone could have so much time on their hands
that they could spend all day and night posting to the newsgroups? I'm
really interested and I bet that many other people are also.
I look forward to your response.
Michael
> Dan Logcher <dlogcher*xspam*@attbi.com> wrote:
> >"Blair P. Houghton" wrote:
> >
> >> It's one crybaby customer shortsighted.
> >>
> >> The way the complaint escalated to blatant libel before
> >> our eyes just makes the manager look all the smarter.
> >
> >It would have been smarter to comp the meal even for a crybaby.
> >A $50 would have ensured his return for more..
>
> The guy walked out without even talking to the manager.
>
> What kind of courtesy does that entitle such a customer to?
>
> Then he returned later and tried to extort a free meal.
>
> The owner can do without this kind of customer.
>
Got a problem, get in their face!
As I have typed in this thread this is an invitation for the beginning of a
negotiation.
Go with the flow but if you leave the establishment during the disagreement
then the flow of the negotiation is disrupted. Raise Holy Hell at an
elevated voice level and heaven and earth shall be yours.
Ah, shit this thread is beginning to bore me.
Got a problem at a restaurant then handle it NOW not an hour later. Press
the subject and raise hell loudly in the restaurant. If you can't do that
then you don't really don't have a problem.
mjb
Postman
Mike <mike_in...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Just a recommendation, don't go to Sushi Hana at 1st Ave and
> 78th Street in New York City. I can't believe what just happened
> to me.
and dozens of others replied. I almost feel guilty extending this
further, but here goes.
1. Mike referred to his 4 year patronage and "the manager". Was
this the shift manager? the owner-manager? a new-on-the-job
manager? Was this the manager that actually saw you for most of
your 200 visits or just the unlucky manager to have been in the
cockroach situation? I hope the point is obvious: the new guy or
temporary guy doesn't know you. I ask this totally separate from
any other issue.
2. The diseases with which cockraoches are most associated are
allergies but there is very little (I'd like to say ZERO) evidence of
their association with bacterial, viral or other infectious disease.
Flies and other pests are far worse at spreading infectious
disease, but do you walk out of a restaurant when you see a fly?
Few people do.
(I once ate at an ethnic restaurant with an electric bug zapper. All
during the meal it was: bzzt! bzzt! bzzt! bzzt! Yuck.)
Roaches are actually very clean insects who are constantly
grooming (wiping their antennae and legs) themselves. They are
creepy, they are vermin, but I'll bet the most common diseases
with which they are CONCLUSIVELY associated is roach-a-phobia
and over-reaction-ism.
(Where I live, I don't have a roach problem. A few ants in the wet
weather, but boric acid takes care of them, too.)
3. Roaches can live on almost anything: glue, paper, dust (some
dust particles are food to roaches), wood, dandruff, ... almost
anything. Rather, almost NOTHING. I once trapped a roach under
a cup in an empty cabinet. A couple of months later, I lifted the cup
and he scampered away! By which I mean: roaches are not a sign
of a lack of cleanliness in a home or business. They are a sign of
"survival of the fittest".
Rats, mice, flies, etc., are probably better indicators of a lack of
cleanliness and maintenance. Check the alley BEHIND your
favorite places. Check their trash cans and dumpsters.
4. No, I don't want food that roaches have scampered on or around
even if they are "clean". But in a well maintained place, that
doesn't happen. If you see a roach in a refrigerated sushi display
case let us know.
I really think it was the spraying that caused this problem. If you
live in NYC, we can probably spray AROUND your place and drive
the neighbors roaches INTO your house. There are attractancts
(baited traps), toxins, and repellants. I'm assuming that toxins are
at least partially repellants, too. (Maybe I'll look it up.) You spray
their nests, you kill some and drive the others OUT into the open.
Some of the sprays are actually neurotoxins that drive the bugs
crazy and make the exterminators sick as well (with Parkinson's
like symptoms).
Does anybody know if NYC has a law requiring pest control in
restaurants and other buildings? Don't they actually have to keep
records as proof to the health department?
Anyway, if you had gone to Sushi Hana a day earlier or a day or two
later, there would be no thread here.
If you think the other restaurants where you eat don't have roaches
on the premises, you're deluding yourself. Ask them what day they
spray and show up that night.
Good luck.
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> Dan,
>
> Thanks for your support. You show that there are some reasonable people on
> the internet.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
I just hate bugs.. well, most of them. Hope you find a new bug-less place
to enjoy.
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spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>Actually thats the only roach I've seen in a resturant in Manhattan while I
>lived here for the past 6 years. So Sushi Hana does to the bottom of the
>list.
You go to the bottom of the list for calling one crazed
bug an "infestation."
--Blair
"Sounds like it could be a career move."
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>> Get a lawyer to help you understand the last couple of
>> weeks, but wear a catcher's mask, because when he reads
>> this thread he's going to bitch-slap you.
>
>Are you a lawyer??? My wife happens to be an attorney and I showed her this
>thread. After she stopped laughing at your ignorant remarks, she said that
>I have nothing to worry about from the Sushi police.
Given that she's your accomplice, I don't believe her
any more than I believe you.
>> Because you're a pussy and a liar and I make a hobby
>> of ensuring such people get no chance to profit morally
>> from their social errors.
>
>And maybe because you have nothing better to do with your life than write
>shit on the internet.
You're a proven liar, so when you guess it's even less credible.
>> My life would make an award-winning 200-episode TV
>> series. Yours would inspire a one-line obit:
>
>Great comback!! Blair, you're a fucking ignorant dick who needs to get some
>hobbies.
Interesting, I called you a dick, so you call me a dick,
and I say that slapping you around on the net is a hobby,
so you say I need a hobby.
Have you ever considered that you're simply an unoriginal,
mentally deficient fool? No, of course not. Because you're
an unoriginal, mentally deficient fool.
--Blair
"Next you'll be telling us you're really
angry because the cockroach wasn't cooked
all the way."
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>I'm very interested to know what you do with your life. I look on the
>newsgroups and see you must have posted several throusand messages during
>the past 6 months alone. And these seem to go all the way back to 1995.
>Maybe earlier. Do you have a job? I know you couldn't be independently
>wealthy because someone so ignorant and f@#king stupid probably couldn't
>hold a job for very long, hence the excessive number of stupid postings.
>Thats not lible, its the truth.
No, it's just the erroneous deduction of a deluded retard.
I make mid-six figures and have more money in the bank than
you've ever dreamed of possessing.
And my posting history goes back over 15 years. I work when
I want, go to ballgames, get drunk, cook, write, play with my
dog, get laid, and discuss anything I like with anyone I want.
This week, I'm rewriting some poor controls company's
messed-up specifications, working on putting my golf swing
back together, and realigning your sad understanding of
a resterateur's responsibility to a deranged schnorrer.
>This really exemplifies the downside of the internet. That a person like
>you could come into the lives of the rest of us.
Come into your life? I've been here for years, dipshit.
You waltzed in here and started mouthing off like any of
us cared. I suggest you get professional help for your
severe disconnect with reality.
>Please tell us about
>yourself. How is it that someone could have so much time on their hands
>that they could spend all day and night posting to the newsgroups? I'm
>really interested and I bet that many other people are also.
>
>I look forward to your response.
Thank you for being obsessed with me. Where shall I tell
the feds that my stalker resides?
--Blair
"And is it roach-infested?"
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>> our eyes just makes the manager look all the smarter.
>
>It would have been smarter to comp the meal even for a crybaby.
>A $50 would have ensured his return for more..
The evidence here is that he saved a $50 meal and got rid
of a dick.
>So the average customer is dirt? The guy who orders, eats, pays,
>and tips average and leaves is still a customer.
Everyone who enters the door is a customer. The restaurant
is under no obligation to serve him if he's a jackass.
>> a slice for the fish. There's a difference between a place
>> with an expansive, upscale clientele and a neighborhood
>> joint in a neighborhood of lifelong schnorrers.
>
>Maybe more that an extra buck.. but even so, they know how
>to treat customers.
Customers who bring big bucks. Las Vegas is full of
schnorring asswipes, and loves them. Not every
business model can tolerate that sort of market.
>No he doesn't. The manager does not have a suit. You keep saying
>he does, but most people here don't agree.
Doesn't take "most people". The restaurant is being
libeled by a man who claims it's "infested" without
evidence. All the restaurant needs to do is show its
revenues declining, and it's got a case.
>> How to turn it into many cockroaches legally: report the
>> sighting to the health department. I hear the one in
>> NYC got really anal during Giuliani's tenure as king.
>> They'll go into the store, count the egg sacs and fly
>> specks, and report them in the public record, if there
>> are any. The public will be warned, and you won't have
>> done anything illegal.
>
>He probably should have done this as well. Or not.
He should not have libeled the restaurant.
>> Possibly, but there's no indication. More likely he was
>> strapped because of the spraying.
>
>Strapped for cash at a sushi bar? If that's the case then he appears to be
>a poor manager.
It isn't Hatsuhana. It sounds like it's quite a bit
lower-class than Hatsuhana. I've been in plenty of sushi
bars that couldn't be making enough on price margins to
cover the empty seats.
>> >> Also, remember that "there's no such thing as bad publicity".
>> >> He's probably gotten three new customers because of this.
>> >
>> >But lost thirty.
>>
>> That'd be really really bad. It'd make the libel case rock solid.
>
>Doubt it. How can you prove he looses business.
That'd have to be part of the case. If one of his other
customers does let on that he saw the libel and knew of
another customer that has decided to go elsewhere because
of it, that'd be enough. As of right now, there's malice
and lies by mike_in_nyc2000. The damages would come later.
>> >> "If you want someone to 'don't go there',
>> >> then why give them such detailed directions?"
>> >
>> >So they don't screw up. Hatsuhana has two midtown locations and one stinks.
>> >Always go to the one at 48th and Mad.
>>
>> I was speaking figuratively. The "don't go there" is a
>> reference to the argument over mike_in_nyc2000's veiled
>> racism that is about to begin.
>
>Racism? Where do you get this stuff?
I don't go looking for it, that's for sure.
--Blair
"Who does?"
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
I don't see extortion. I asked Mike if he threatened
to make his experience public, and he's said that the
idea only occurred to him later.
Do I believe him? No, because he's a liar, but so
far I don't see extortion.
>The owner can do without this kind of customer.
The world can do without this kind of person.
--Blair
"Save the food for cattle."
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>Thanks for your support. You show that there are some reasonable people on
>the internet.
So you're a liar, a pussy, and a suckup.
Did you stalk his Usenet history before deciding to lick his ass?
--Blair
"And you're a software thief."
Mike
the one who owns a $600k apartment, makes $300k per year and does trading
and investment for a living.
<blair[no spam]@world.std.com (Blair P. Houghton)> wrote in message
news:GzDJKw...@world.std.com...
Darren
> Just a recommendation, don't go to Sushi Hana at 1st Ave and 78th Street in
> at Sushi Hana for the past 5 years. I must have been there over 100 times.
> My wife and I were there tonight and we had a cockroach run across the table
> in the middle of our meal. My wife was horrified and I was pretty grossed
> out.
Here's something to add to this 92 piece thread.
Check out this web site
http://207.127.96.244/scripts/webfood.pl
This is the site for New York City Department of Health Restaurant Inspection
Information. Phew.
Anyway here's the thing,
Type in Sushi Hana.
Now type in Hatsuhana, somebody said the 78th street one was the only one
to go to. Well al I'm saying is that NYC Department of Health Restaurant
Inspection seems to agree.
Interesting.
Darren
Her Serene Highness
"Darren" <darren-...@pasta.org> wrote in message
news:1027007431.26282....@news.demon.co.uk...
I don't know- I think Blair should still eat at Sushi Hana. After all, what
do inspectors know? Perhaps they were paid off! And maybe that worker who
had communicable diseases really didn't have diptheria and plague! I think
it's time we stopped picking on poor restaurant managers and asking that
they keep their places clean. After all, I'm sure that Blair, being an
expert on cleanliness in New york restaurants, is far more reliable than a
man who saw a roach run across his table. Besides- I'm sure Sushi Hana is
going to be suing the NYC Health Department for libel any day now.
Michele
"Yes, Blair- I'm still here- still not straight, either."
>
Dan Logcher
> Mike <mike_in...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Just a recommendation, don't go to Sushi Hana at 1st Ave and 78th Street in
> > New York City. I can't believe what just happened to me. I've been eating
> > at Sushi Hana for the past 5 years. I must have been there over 100 times.
> > My wife and I were there tonight and we had a cockroach run across the table
> > in the middle of our meal. My wife was horrified and I was pretty grossed
> > out.
>
> Here's something to add to this 92 piece thread.
>
> Check out this web site
>
> http://207.127.96.244/scripts/webfood.pl
>
> This is the site for New York City Department of Health Restaurant Inspection
> Information. Phew.
>
> Anyway here's the thing,
>
> Type in Sushi Hana.
Well what do ya know.
> Now type in Hatsuhana, somebody said the 78th street one was the only one
> to go to. Well al I'm saying is that NYC Department of Health Restaurant
> Inspection seems to agree.
As would I. I wish I had more reason to go to NYC.
--
Dan
Shad
> > Just a recommendation, don't go to Sushi Hana at 1st Ave and 78th Street
in
> > New York City. I can't believe what just happened to me. I've been
eating
> > at Sushi Hana for the past 5 years. I must have been there over 100
times.
> > My wife and I were there tonight and we had a cockroach run across the
table
> > in the middle of our meal. My wife was horrified and I was pretty
grossed
> > out.
>
> Here's something to add to this 92 piece thread.
>
> Check out this web site
>
> http://207.127.96.244/scripts/webfood.pl
>
Thanks for the URL Darren.
I've just spend some time checking up on all the Japanese
restaurants I know.
Shad
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>
>Michele
> "Yes, Blair- I'm still here- still not straight, either."
You give dykes a bad name.
--Blair
"Everyone else knows I never said
I cared about your sexuality."
Darren
> Thanks for the URL Darren.
> I've just spend some time checking up on all the Japanese
> restaurants I know.
> Shad
Yeah when I first heard of the URL I was feverishly checking all the
restaurants in NYC that we go to, it can be quite an eye opener.
However now I try not to go there, I just let my gut feelings do the talking.
Darren
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>
>Yeah when I first heard of the URL I was feverishly checking all the
>restaurants in NYC that we go to, it can be quite an eye opener.
1. Inspectors can be bribed.
2. Some hits aren't as bad as others, and many don't tell
you anything about the extent of the problem.
3. You need a history to tell if a place is going to be trouble,
Even then it can be misleading. This site:
Shows how it should be done. Enter "Sushi" to get a
few locals. Click on Sushi on Shea as an example, then
the 4/4 inspection, then wonder how one of the best sushi
bars in the Phoenix area can stay in business with all
these horrible, disgusting things going on.
--Blair
"I never drink water. Fish fuck in it."
-W. C. Fields