Opium in Jaegermeister?
Pandora
>>In article <4ngbt9$r...@savoy.cc.williams.edu>, Jessica Racusin
>><96...@williams.edu> wrote:
>> :Jess "Jaeger and Tequila is EVEN WORSE" Racusin
>[...]
>>I have also heard horror stories about Jager-Rumple Minze and
>>Jager-Goldschlager combinations, but I dismissed them as the rantings of
>>people who had killed off all of their short-term memory brain cells and
>>started in on the ones that govern the will to live.
>Jager-Rumple Minze is called a Screaming Nazi, but I'm not sure what to
>call the other ones. Cuervo Gold+Absolut Citron=a Drop Dead.
>It's 1:30 on a Friday afternoon, sounds like time for a Research Trip.
>Will "the Research Committee will be getting my receipts" Wheeler
This is not a horror story (or maybe it is, but in any case it's true).
Long ago and far away, friends of mine (the kind that are so poor they
live off of Top Ramen at 10 for a dollar) would combine Jaegermeister
and Robitussin cough syrup, which they affectionately called
Jaeger-Tussin (the mind reels as to what this horrible concoction
tasted like, much less what it would do to you) and would in fact scream
its name out loud as a sort of deranged mating call at parties. Come
to think of it, I now fail to see what's so cheap about Robitussin cough syrup
at 5 or 7 dollars for a measly little bottle. Perhaps it had something to
do with age limits or buying it after 1 am. I don't know. Let's leave
my hoary memories at rest, shall we?
Jenna "Cuervo and Absolut Citron actually sounds good, but then Stoli
and Kool Aid got me crying drunk" LaDue
Amy Lewis
I heard a different version of this rumor, that it was Valium (tm), and
not opium that was in Jaegermiester. While I seriously doubt that the
makers of this drink have put pharmaceutical diazepam (valium) in it, its
quite possible that they have incorporated an extract of valerian root,
from which valium is made into it. I can more easily imagine this giving
rise to the UL's about it.
Andrew C Weaver
>! I have also heard horror stories about Jager-Rumple Minze and
>! Jager-Goldschlager combinations, but I dismissed them as the rantings of
>! people who had killed off all of their short-term memory brain cells and
>! started in on the ones that govern the will to live.
Well, that combination is known by some as a "Screaming Nazi" and also "Dead
Nazi" - I have had it mixed by bartenders who have called it either. Neither
time did I have a reaction different from any other kind of alcohol. Though a
friend of mine did decide he needed to walk over a car once after a round of
them. We of course said "it was a Screaming Nazi!" - And no, it wasn't very
funny then either.......
Jessica Racusin
Hi,
that thread about Snakebite being banned in Britain reminded me of what a
friend told me once, that Jaegermeister has opium in it. I doubt it has
opium, otherwise how could it be imported into the U.S. I don't know what
the hell *is* in there, thought, but I've had some pretty bad experiences
with it. Ughhh. Anyone know what that evil brew is made of?
Andy Walton
:Hi,
:that thread about Snakebite being banned in Britain reminded me of what a
:friend told me once, that Jaegermeister has opium in it. I doubt it has
:opium, otherwise how could it be imported into the U.S.
I have heard this one, usually referring to "opium derivatives" or
"synthetic opium". My best guess is that this rumor thrives because of
Jagermeister's close visual and flavor resemblance to cough syrup, which
does contain opiates or opiate-like substances.
:I don't know what
:the hell *is* in there, thought, but I've had some pretty bad experiences
:with it. Ughhh. Anyone know what that evil brew is made of?
Sidney Frank Importing (Jager's U.S. importer) has a site at
{http://www.jagermeister.com}. It promises Jager info, but at the moment
the only link on the main page is to merchandise.
One page Alta Vista turned up {http://www.jagermeister.com/story.html}
contained the following nuggets:
Jagermeister (pronounced Yag-ger-my-ster) is imported from Germany and is
one of Europe's most popular liquers [sic]. Its blend of 56 exotic herbs
and spices gives it versatility and mixability.
Since 1974, Jagermeister has been imported exclusively to the United
States by Sidney Frank Importing. It is now the third largest selling
imported liquer [siccer] in the United States and the favorite drink of
millions.
I believe the base is cabbage (based on folk wisdom and the word
"krautliqueur", or something similar, on the label). Of the "56 exotic
herbs and spices," the sensitive palate (i.e. the palate on its first
shot) can detect anise (licorice). I've never mulled over the flavor long
enough to discern any others.
:Jess "Jaeger and Tequila is EVEN WORSE" Racusin
I do not know if the combination of Jagermeister and Tequila has a formal
name. I coined the name "non compos mentis." A "persona non grata" is the
same drink, after it is rejected by the stomach and spewed on the
bartender.
The combination of Jagermeister and tequila is worse than straight Jager
in the sense that the combination of a knee to the groin and a boot to the
head is even worse than either alone.
I have also heard horror stories about Jager-Rumple Minze and
Jager-Goldschlager combinations, but I dismissed them as the rantings of
people who had killed off all of their short-term memory brain cells and
started in on the ones that govern the will to live.
Andy "Soused Commemerativo" Walton
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Megan Knight
Jessica Racusin wrote:
>
> Hi,
> that thread about Snakebite being banned in Britain reminded me of what a
> friend told me once, that Jaegermeister has opium in it. I doubt it has
> the hell *is* in there, thought, but I've had some pretty bad experiences
> with it. Ughhh. Anyone know what that evil brew is made of?
>
and coca-cola has cocaine
megan "additive-free" knight
DMart309
I heard Jaegermeister had opium derivatives in it. It most definitively
gives you a different feeling from most alcohols. More mysteriously, I
saw it listed in the PA liquor store price guide as "Jaegermeister Herb".
I hate to say, I have acquired a taste for this brew. A friend on a trip
to Germany heard of "Skiier's Tea", tea with a healthy shot of
You-Know-What. It supposedly made the imbibers _very_ brave.
Doug "I can see why" Marting
"Watch out for snakes!"
Solomon Taibi
Jaegermeister was invented as an antidote for kartoffelklosser.
"Kartoffelklosser" in English is "potato baseballs".
--
S. Taibi
Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning hooks
into spears: Let the weak say 'I am strong'. (Joel 3:10)
Sean Willard
Andy Walton <att...@mindspring.com> writes:
|
| I believe the base is cabbage (based on folk wisdom and the word
| "krautliqueur", or something similar, on the label).
Good effort on the folk etymology there, Andy, but in most contexts,
including this one, `Kraut' means `herb'.
I find all this hoopla about Jaegermeister (the umlaut over the first
`a' corresponds to `ae', pronounced roughly like the Canadian `eh'; so
the Web site's ``Yag-ger-my-ster'' is bullshit, or at least represents
a marked departure from the German pronunciation) pretty amusing, as
it's generally considered an after-dinner digestive aid. Imagine that
Pepto-Bismol happened to have 30% alcohol or so and Europeans decided
it was a mixer. It is to shudder.
Sean ``never had it, think I never will'' Willard
Will Wheeler
In article <atticus-1705...@atticus.mindspring.com>,
att...@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) says:
>In article <4ngbt9$r...@savoy.cc.williams.edu>, Jessica Racusin
><96...@williams.edu> wrote:
> :Jess "Jaeger and Tequila is EVEN WORSE" Racusin
[...]
>I have also heard horror stories about Jager-Rumple Minze and
>Jager-Goldschlager combinations, but I dismissed them as the rantings of
>people who had killed off all of their short-term memory brain cells and
>started in on the ones that govern the will to live.
Jager-Rumple Minze is called a Screaming Nazi, but I'm not sure what to
call the other ones. Cuervo Gold+Absolut Citron=a Drop Dead.
It's 1:30 on a Friday afternoon, sounds like time for a Research Trip.
Will "the Research Committee will be getting my receipts" Wheeler
Penn State University "God, I need to get a life."
wj...@psuvm.psu.edu --Paul Tomblin
whe...@po.aers.psu.edu
Dwight Brown
In article <4ni3g2$9...@nntp1.best.com>, bha...@fas.harvard.edu (Barbara
Mikkelson) wrote a wonderful post, which I have no argument with. I would
like to add a little more information:
> Yep. Coca-Cola was so named for its two "medicinal" ingredients -- extract
> of coca leaves and kola nuts -- back in 1885. As for how much was in
> there originally, it's hard to know.
Mark Pendergrast, in *For God, Country, and Coca-Cola: The Unauthorized
History of the Great American Soft Drink and the Company That Makes It*
(ISBN 0-02-036035-5) writes:
"According to a formula in possession of Frank Robinson's great-grandson
(apparently in Robinson's handwriting), 36 gallons of syrup called for 10
pounds of coca leaf. That translates to about 0.13 grain of cocaine per
drink, or 8.45 milligrams, which is a tiny amount of the drug."
(Frank Robinson was a early partner of John Pemberton, the inventor of
Coca-Cola. Pendergrast devotes an appendix to discussing the secret
formula, even reprinting what he thinks is a Coca-Cola formula from John
Pemberton's notebook. If there's any significant difference between the
Robinson and Pemberton formulas, he doesn't comment on it.)
He goes on to note that:
"Recent studies, however, suggest a symbiotic relationship between
cocaine and caffeine. 'Our research [with rats] indicates that caffeine
primes brain systems--it increases the effects of cocaine.' Dr. Susan
Schenk says. Consequently, even the negligible amount of cocaine in
original Coca-Cola could have had an effect when combined with the 80
milligrams of caffeine."
Pendergrast also states that a "'normal' street dose" (his words) of
cocaine today contains 20 to 30 milligrams, and to point out that cocaine
has a greater effect when snorted than ingested.
(All the quoted material above is from page 56 of the Collier paperback
edition.)
Later on, he quotes from pamphlet distributed by Coca-Cola, in 1901,
which cites an 1891 analysis: "it would require about thirty glassess...to
make an ordinary dose of the drug." (page 90)
> How much that "mere trace" was is impossible to say, but we do know that
> in 1902 it was measured as one 400th gain of cocaine per ounce of syrup
> (page 45).
Pendergrast, page 114:
"In September of 1907, John Candler sent [Dr. Harvey Washington] Wiley
(first head of the U.S. Bureau of Chemistry, and an early "pure food"
crusader - DB) a chemical analysis of Coca-Cola made by an independant
pharmacist, showing 1.25 grains of caffeine, compared to 2 grains in the
average cup of coffee. 'Tests for cocaine failed to respond, the
pharmacist wrote.'"
> Yes, at one time there was cocaine in Coca-Cola. But before you're tempted
> to run off claiming Coca-Cola turned generations into dope addicts, consider
> the following. That back in 1885 it was far from uncommon to use drugs and
> additives that we now know to be addictive or harmful in patent medicines
> (which is what Coca-Cola was originally marketed as).
One very popular drink/patent medicine at the time, known as Vin Mariani,
was basically a mixture of Bordeaux wine and coca leaf. An 1886 analysis
showed that it contained 0.12 grain of cocaine per fluid ounce, compared
to the 0.13 grain per drink of Coca-Cola quoted above. However, a "drink"
in Pendergrast's context is 6.5 ounces (one ounce of Coca-Cola syrup mixed
with 5.5 ounces of soda water). On the other hand, the recommended dosage
of Vin Mariani was "a claret-glass full" (about 6 ounces, Pendergrast
estimates) before or after every meal, or a full bottle (and 2.16 grains
of cocaine) a day. (page 25)
==Dwight
Dave Harman
In <atticus-1705...@atticus.mindspring.com> att...@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) writes:
! In article <4ngbt9$r...@savoy.cc.williams.edu>, Jessica Racusin
! <96...@williams.edu> wrote:
!
! :Hi,
! :that thread about Snakebite being banned in Britain reminded me of what a
! :friend told me once, that Jaegermeister has opium in it. I doubt it has
! :opium, otherwise how could it be imported into the U.S.
!
! I have heard this one, usually referring to "opium derivatives" or
! "synthetic opium". My best guess is that this rumor thrives because of
! Jagermeister's close visual and flavor resemblance to cough syrup, which
! does contain opiates or opiate-like substances.
!
! :I don't know what
! :the hell *is* in there, thought, but I've had some pretty bad experiences
! :with it. Ughhh. Anyone know what that evil brew is made of?
!
! Sidney Frank Importing (Jager's U.S. importer) has a site at
! {http://www.jagermeister.com}. It promises Jager info, but at the moment
! the only link on the main page is to merchandise.
!
! One page Alta Vista turned up {http://www.jagermeister.com/story.html}
! contained the following nuggets:
!
! Jagermeister (pronounced Yag-ger-my-ster) is imported from Germany and is
! one of Europe's most popular liquers [sic]. Its blend of 56 exotic herbs
! and spices gives it versatility and mixability.
!
! Since 1974, Jagermeister has been imported exclusively to the United
! States by Sidney Frank Importing. It is now the third largest selling
! imported liquer [siccer] in the United States and the favorite drink of
! millions.
!
! I believe the base is cabbage (based on folk wisdom and the word
! "krautliqueur", or something similar, on the label). Of the "56 exotic
! herbs and spices," the sensitive palate (i.e. the palate on its first
! shot) can detect anise (licorice). I've never mulled over the flavor long
! enough to discern any others.
!
! :Jess "Jaeger and Tequila is EVEN WORSE" Racusin
!
! I do not know if the combination of Jagermeister and Tequila has a formal
! name. I coined the name "non compos mentis." A "persona non grata" is the
! same drink, after it is rejected by the stomach and spewed on the
! bartender.
!
! The combination of Jagermeister and tequila is worse than straight Jager
! in the sense that the combination of a knee to the groin and a boot to the
! head is even worse than either alone.
!
! I have also heard horror stories about Jager-Rumple Minze and
! Jager-Goldschlager combinations, but I dismissed them as the rantings of
! people who had killed off all of their short-term memory brain cells and
! started in on the ones that govern the will to live.
!
! Andy "Soused Commemerativo" Walton
!
! --------------------------------------------------------------------------
! "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals
! declaring us the nicest of the damned." --They Might Be Giants
! --------------------------------------------------------------------------
! Andy Walton * att...@mindspring.com * http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus
Oh c'mon people. Your not going to find drugs in household products.
Once you've smoked a twenty, and smoked tar, you might as well
quit intoxicants, cuz you've already done the best.
Time to try sobriety for a new and much longer lasting high.
--
God grant me the serenity to accept
the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference
Patrick
In article <4nkjot$9...@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>,
dwi...@ix.netcom.com(Dave Wilton) wrote:
>In <4ngbt9$r...@savoy.cc.williams.edu> Jessica Racusin
><96...@williams.edu> writes:
>>
>
>While stationed in Germany (1986-89), I was warned not to drink ouzo in
>Greek restaurants. According to the sergeants and Germans who told me
>this, ouzo in Greece contains opium. Legally imported ouzo in Germany
>did not contain opium, but restauranters, while visiting relatives,
>often brought back cases of cheap ouzo from Greece that contained
>enough opium so that one shot would make you fail a drug test.
>
>--Dave Wilton
> dwi...@ix.netcom.com
>
I heard the same story in the early 70's from a woman who had just returned
from Greese. She said the Greek Ouzo was much stronger because of it, when
compared to the stuff sold in the states.
I wonder if there is any connection to Paragoric(sp), used to treat diarrhea.
I remember drinking ouzo and thinking it tasted much like Paragoric.
Paragoric is 45% alcohol and 5% tincture of opium.
Patrick "no need to run" Fine
Nicole A. Okun
In article <atticus-1705...@atticus.mindspring.com>,
att...@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) writes:
>
>
> I believe the base is cabbage (based on folk wisdom and the word
>
>
>
Can't say as I have a bottle in front of me, but it must surely say
"kreuterliqueur", or something similar, which would be "herbal liqueur".
-- Nicole (and not being a Kennedy, I haven't had a frontal lobotomy,
either)
Dave Wilton
>that thread about Snakebite being banned in Britain reminded me of
>doubt it
I never heard this about Jaegermeister. Similar stories about other
products (e.g., cocaine in Coca-Cola) abound.
Martin Heinz
Hopefully thinking before posting before thinking, Solomon Taibi wrote:
: Jaegermeister was invented as an antidote for kartoffelklosser.
: "Kartoffelklosser" in English is "potato baseballs".
I'm sorry -- are you trying to say something?
Martin "Please post *before* consuming" Heinz
--
Martin Heinz he...@math.utexas.edu
"Wau Wau Wau macht der Enzian" [Die Doofen]
Charles Wm. Dimmick
Solomon Taibi wrote:
> : Jaegermeister was invented as an antidote for kartoffelklosser.
> : "Kartoffelklosser" in English is "potato baseballs".
>
I know this is getting off topic, and not really AFU, but your signature
line reminded me of something that has bothered me for years. My
grandfather (dead these many years) used to always call those dumplings
"kadoofelglauze" instead of "kartoffelklosser". By his smile when he said
it I was led to believe there was some sort of obscure German pun
involved, but could never figure out what it was. Could someone enlighten
me?
Charles Wm. Dimmick
Derek Tearne
In article <4ni3g2$9...@nntp1.best.com>,
Barbara Mikkelson <bha...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
>Megan Knight <m...@star.argus.co.za> wrote:
>
>> and coca-cola has cocaine
>
>Er, let's just say it used to. We can also add that except for a six-year
>period right at the beginning, what was in there wouldn't have gotten a
>fly high. Here's a post I wrote about this back in December:
^^^ ^^^^
I take it then, that you have never eaten kola beans...
While I completely accept your inference that there hasn't been enough
Cocaine in 'coke' to give any 'recreational' effects, kola beans are
certainly in the 'serious stimulants' league and leave coffee for dead.
Derek "will neither confirm nor deny how I know this" Tearne
--
Derek Tearne. -- http://webservices.comp.vuw.ac.nz/artsLink/ManyHands/
Some of the more environmentally aware dinosaurs were worried about the
consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor.
"If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..." they said.
Helge Moulding
Charles Wm. Dimmick wrote,
: Solomon Taibi wrote:
: > : Jaegermeister was invented as an antidote for kartoffelklosser.
: > : "Kartoffelklosser" in English is "potato baseballs".
: it I was led to believe there was some sort of obscure German pun
: involved, but could never figure out what it was. Could someone enlighten
: me?
"Kartoffelkloesse." At least that's what it is in High German.
There are enough German dialects that any particular spelling
might well reflect some authentic German pronounciation, and
I'm not well versed enough in any but three to be able to tell
you.
"Kadoofelglauze" sounds like another dialect. Folks from the
old country (Germans, at least) enjoy digging into their
dialect at times, to throw a curve at the youngsters who didn't
grow up with the loam of the Vaterland between their toes, and
yet think they "know it all."
Potato "baseballs?" "Kloesse" are dumplings. Maybe that explains
why baseball never took off in the UK. Potato dumplings, if
prepared badly, can in fact be hard as a baseball, and are the
subject of at least one German folktale which is, I think,
retold by Anderson. It concerns, according to my dimming
memories, the "adventures" of three potato dumplings that escaped
the cooking pot, and flew out the chimney. I think one of them
got involved in a battle...
--
Helge "Substitute matzo balls for USAns." Moulding
h...@slc.unisys.com Just another guy
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1401/ with a weird name
ian.m...@treebranch.com
> > friend told me once, that Jaegermeister has opium in it. I doubt
When I was in High School it was Ouza that supposedly contained Opium. (If you
could get the 'real shit' from Greece.)
-Ion
Madeleine Page
Dave Harman (the same guy who is so proud of being a racist) quotes over
seventy lines of text, including .sig, and then says:
>Oh c'mon people. Your not going to find drugs in household products.
>
>Once you've smoked a twenty, and smoked tar, you might as well
>quit intoxicants, cuz you've already done the best.
>Time to try sobriety for a new and much longer lasting high.
Time for you to learn to trim your quotes. If your tiny mind doesn't get
too too exhausted doing that, you could try finding out a little about
the charter of afu before posting again.
Madeleine "of course, best of all, you could just go away" Page
--
ian.m...@treebranch.com
> Helge "Substitute matzo balls for USAns." Moulding
While doing what?
-Ion
Barbara Mikkelson
Dave Harman <q...@netcom.com> enlightens us with:
> Oh c'mon people. Your not going to find drugs in household products.
Ah, so this "huffing" phenomena isn't real and the various teen deaths
attributed to it are fabrications. Good to know. My mind is now at
ease.
> Time to try sobriety for a new and much longer lasting high.
Listen, bud. I can stand you leaving in three pages of quoted material,
I can put up with your erroneous information, I can tolerate your racism,
but this sobriety stuff is too much.
YOU, SIR, ARE A MENACE TO SOCIETY!
Barbara "I get my 12 and 12 from the fridge, not the bookshelf" Mikkelson
--
Barbara Mikkelson | Oh Christ. This is only the second time I've ever
bha...@fas.harvard.edu | been quoted in someone's sig. And both times it's
| had to do with something Canadian. - Dan Case
nader....@gmail.com
Drew Lawson
nader....@gmail.com writes:
>Yes there is opium
>
This late response may be appropriate in this case, given that the
1996 original is almost old enough to drink.
--
Drew Lawson | "But the senator, while insisting he was not
| intoxicated, could not explain his nudity."
edmd...@gmail.com
> Oh c'mon people. Your not going to find drugs in household products.
>
> quit intoxicants, cuz you've already done the best.
>
and also ruin other people's lives. especially the ones that live with serious chronic pain and they are now making it f*cking impossible to get any kind of legal painkillers from the doc. Hell my uncle was in the hospital after frickin BRAIN SURGERY and the most they would give him was 5mg of morphine!! that aint sh*t!!! so what do they think people are gonna do??!!!
think about prohibition. that shit never works. people are still gonna do the sh*t regardless if it's legal or not. why not just let them do it. opium and cocaine were sold off the shelf in every pharmacy in america before 1934. this world just turns in to a worse place to live in every day.