Rumors about the Teletubbies [PBS / British kids show]
Rebecca
show for young children imported by PBS - while chatting in some
religious oriented chat rooms. While I believe none of it (having no
verifiable source for the 'truth' of the matter), I am:
a) looking for variations of this rumor or legend if anyone else has
heard it and
b) wanting to know what information anyone may have on whether or not
there is any truth to them
All three stories that I have heard refer to Tinky Winky - the purple
Teletubbie who has a triangle on his head and carries a bag as his
favorite thing (which resembles what most people would call a 'purse'
but is always called a 'bag').
1) That the original actor who played Tinky Winky was fired after being
caught running naked around the sound stage/ lot between takes.
I've only heard this one once, from my husband, and he did say it was
only a rumor. Where he got it I don't know.
2) That the symbol on Tinky Winky's head (the triangle) is a conspiracy
by the (pick one) 'people who are going to make the One World
Government' / 'the New World Order' / 'the Catholic Church' / etc. to
promote the 'heretical' idea of the Trinity.
This was stated originally by a member of a 'Oneness Pentecostal' church
- who deny the Trinity and claim (as some other unitarian groups, like
the Jehovah's Witnesses) that it was a doctrine added later under the
influence of Paganism and promoted by the Catholic Church. (Many of
these groups also use the idea of the Trinity as 'proof' of the Catholic
Church being inherently 'pagan' but that's off topic).
I have also seen this idea on a 'Christian' website but it was late at
night and I did not save the URL (not expecting to run into the idea
again). I haven't really, but then I heard the other variation (below)
and the words 'urban legend' popped into mind.
3) That the triangle on Tinky Winky's head is a symbol of gay pride put
there by the shows creators for the purpose of promoting homosexuality.
Don't jump on me for this - I didn't make it up and I don't believe it -
I'm repeating what I heard. This was told to me in a chat room. The
person who told the story and I had a conversation something like this
(paraphrased):
CARMEL: The symbol on Tinky Winky's head is a symbol of gay pride to
promote homosexuality.
ME: Where did you hear that? For something to promote 'homosexuality'
you actually have to mention homosexuality, which the show doesn't do.
CARMEL: They said so.
ME: Who said so?
CARMEL: The shows creators on a talk show.
(A bit of muddling where he kept repeating 'they said so'.)
ME: Did you see this talk show yourself?
CARMEL: No, but Jerry Falwell did and talked about it his show.
ME: Did he tell you what talk show it was on? Did he see it himself?
CARMEL: I don't know, but Jerry Falwell wouldn't lie. It's his Christian
duty to tell us about these things when he finds out about them.
(I couldn't get any more specific info out of Carmel - not the name of
the supposed talk show, where Falwell got his info [the supposed talk
show or somewhere else], etc. I did try to point out that Jerry Falwell
might not deliberately lie but might be mislead by incorrect
information, to no avail. Carmel seemed insistent that 'Falwell said it,
ergo it is true'.)
Now, at this point I'm skeptical of the story, since it qualifies as
hearsay. Carmel told me what Jerry Falwell says the show's creators said
on an unnamed talkshow. But is there any truth to this at all? Did the
show's creators ever go on a talk show? Did anyone ever see said talk
show or see Falwell's show where he made the claim Carmel is repeating?
Info please!
Rebecca
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CARMEL: I don't know, but Jerry Falwell wouldn't lie.
It took some scrolling to find the UL content, but here it is.
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This is so old, it was starting here when I was.
I hope it is not an omen.
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Becca Ward
> I've heard some interesting rumors about the Teletubbies - the British
> show for young children imported by PBS - while chatting in some
> religious oriented chat rooms. While I believe none of it (having no
> verifiable source for the 'truth' of the matter), I am:
<snip>
<first two stories I've not heard -- or at least don't recall hearing --
original Tinky-Winky being fired after spontaneous portrayal of title
character from Ray Stevens song, and triangle as supersekrit cymbal for
Trinity>
> 3) That the triangle on Tinky Winky's head is a symbol of gay pride put
> there by the shows creators for the purpose of promoting homosexuality.
>
> Don't jump on me for this - I didn't make it up and I don't believe it -
> I'm repeating what I heard. This was told to me in a chat room. The
> person who told the story and I had a conversation something like this
> (paraphrased):
<snip conversation re Jerry Falwell>
> Now, at this point I'm skeptical of the story, since it qualifies as
> hearsay. Carmel told me what Jerry Falwell says the show's creators said
> on an unnamed talkshow. But is there any truth to this at all? Did the
> show's creators ever go on a talk show? Did anyone ever see said talk
> show or see Falwell's show where he made the claim Carmel is repeating?
The "Tinky-Winky as gay propaganda designed to brainwash kids" has come up
before in afu, and spawned an ungawdly thread back in March. You can find
the discussion in "Falwell: I didn't out Tinky" by not-going-to-Deja.com,
but visiting the supersekrit backdoor (since the official front door
sucks) at http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/deja.html and searching for
the initial March 11, 1999 message by Kennedy at message ID number
36E853...@earthlink.net
Short summary: A writer for a publication issued by Falwell's
organization inferred from Tinky's triangle and his purple color that he
was a "gay pride" symbol. There was a bit of a brouhaha in the media
afterwards, Falwell was interviewed several times and questioned on
whether _he_ personally agreed.
Those enamored of the idea poo-pooed any denials (I do not recall whether
the Teletubbies' producers ever appeared on any talk show), and claimed
that _The Village Voice_ -- a "gay" publication -- had recognized
Tinky-Winky as a not-really-closeted homosexual. Though lots of
unsubstantiated claims about _Village Voice_ articles were made, no one
really provided a (hushed tones) cite for any such story.
[BIG FLASHING KMART BLUE SPECIAL CLUE FOR K.D.]
Although an entertainment/opinion columnist had reviewed the _Teletubbies_
on several occasions, there was no such _Village Voice_ article as claimed
in the discussion. See my March 19, 1999 post, at message i.d.
<Pine.GSU.4.03.990319...@maniac.deathstar.org>
I've never really been able to reconcile the Tinky-Winky as pro-gay
conspiracy with Po as gay-baiter.
The other two stories you mention, though, are very kewl and nudie, at
least to me.
Becca Ward
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Becca Ward
the first draft only after it went out. Sent out cancel message.
<snip>
[BIG FLASHING KMART BLUE LIGHT SPECIAL CLUE FOR K.D.]
Although an entertainment/opinion columnist had reviewed the _Teletubbies_
on several occasions, there was no such _Village Voice_ article as claimed
in the discussion. See my March 19, 1999 post, at message i.d.
<Pine.GSU.4.03.990319...@maniac.deathstar.org>
I've never really been able to reconcile the Tinky-Winky as pro-gay
conspiracy with Po as gay-baiter.
The other two stories you mention, though, are new to me.
paghat
Leof...@webtv.net (Rebecca) wrote:
> I've heard some interesting rumors about the Teletubbies - the British
> show for young children imported by PBS - while chatting in some
> religious oriented chat rooms. While I believe none of it (having no
> verifiable source for the 'truth' of the matter), I am:
>
> 3) That the triangle on Tinky Winky's head is a symbol of gay pride put
> there by the shows creators for the purpose of promoting homosexuality.
>
> Don't jump on me for this - I didn't make it up and I don't believe it -
> I'm repeating what I heard. This was told to me in a chat room. The
> person who told the story and I had a conversation something like this
> (paraphrased):
>
> CARMEL: The symbol on Tinky Winky's head is a symbol of gay pride to
> promote homosexuality.
> ME: Where did you hear that? For something to promote 'homosexuality'
> you actually have to mention homosexuality, which the show doesn't do.
> CARMEL: They said so.
> ME: Who said so?
> CARMEL: The shows creators on a talk show.
> (A bit of muddling where he kept repeating 'they said so'.)
> ME: Did you see this talk show yourself?
> CARMEL: No, but Jerry Falwell did and talked about it his show.
> ME: Did he tell you what talk show it was on? Did he see it himself?
> CARMEL: I don't know, but Jerry Falwell wouldn't lie. It's his Christian
> duty to tell us about these things when he finds out about them.
> (I couldn't get any more specific info out of Carmel - not the name of
> the supposed talk show, where Falwell got his info [the supposed talk
> show or somewhere else], etc. I did try to point out that Jerry Falwell
> might not deliberately lie but might be mislead by incorrect
> information, to no avail. Carmel seemed insistent that 'Falwell said it,
> ergo it is true'.)
>
> Now, at this point I'm skeptical of the story, since it qualifies as
> hearsay. Carmel told me what Jerry Falwell says the show's creators said
> on an unnamed talkshow. But is there any truth to this at all? Did the
> show's creators ever go on a talk show? Did anyone ever see said talk
> show or see Falwell's show where he made the claim Carmel is repeating?
>
> Info please!
>
> Rebecca
> mailto:rebecc...@hotmail.com
Jerry Falwell keeps denying he ever said ANYthing about the teletubbies;
it was something his magazine's editor wrote & Jerry well knows he looks
the fool for it.
When the faggotty-tinky-winky "news" erupted, I'd never seen teletubbies
as I rarely watch television at all let alone kid shows but several people
had told me it was terrible because it was dumbed way down to be
completely braindead, designed to mesmerize children & teach them to talk
babytalk & grow up retarded. I figured, well, most television is retarded,
so probably are the teletubbies. When I finally did see them I was
mesmerized by their eerie beauty. When they dance together I am really
charmed; "big hug" and laughing baby-sun got me giggling; it was really
only boring when they got broadcasts to their tummies & they show ten
minutes of bad "realistic" film.
I think mostly the show has surrealistic, aesthetic beauty & reminded me
of some jazz-dance performances I've attended. Though I don't think
little-tiny children should be watching television AT ALL, since parents
ARE going to use television in lieu of parenting, I suspect those weaned
on teletubbies will have been shaped in more positive ways (with aesthetic
judgement for example) than those weaned on standard Saturday morning fare
& videos of Disney cartoon musicals which suck rotten raw eggs bigtime.
And not the least important among the positive features are the variety of
"colors" unified by mutual affection, their creative desire to dance &
learn, AND the fact that Tinky Winky pretty obviously is a big sissy & in
no way demeaned for it. But Po is my personal favorite.
-paghat
Madeleine Page
[Tinky -Winky as gay pride symbol]
>The "Tinky-Winky as gay propaganda designed to brainwash kids" has come up
>before in afu, and spawned an ungawdly thread back in March. You can find
>the discussion in "Falwell: I didn't out Tinky" by not-going-to-Deja.com,
>but visiting the supersekrit backdoor (since the official front door
>sucks) at http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/deja.html and searching for
>the initial March 11, 1999 message by Kennedy at message ID number
>36E853...@earthlink.net [...]
This seems to be one of those ULs which, although false to begin with, has
given rise to stuff that makes it T. At least two gay couples I know have
Tinky-Winky dolls that they display with great (gay) pride.
>Though lots of
>unsubstantiated claims about _Village Voice_ articles were made, no one
>really provided a (hushed tones) cite for any such story.
>[BIG FLASHING KMART BLUE LIGHT SPECIAL CLUE FOR K.D.]
I think she's still got her fingers in her ears, Becca.
Madeleine "K. D. can't heeeeeeear us" Page
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>Did anyone ever see said talk
>show or see Falwell's show where he made the claim Carmel is repeating?
A story claiming that the Teletubbies promoted homosexuality was
published in Falwell's newspaper. Shortly thereafter, Falwell was on
ABC's "Politically Incorrect" repudiating the story, saying that it
should not have appeared in his newspaper (OK, so he waffled a bit,
but said that his grandkids love the show and that he didn't see
anything wrong with it).
I'd cite the date it aired, but I didn't know it would be "important"
so I didn't take note of it while I was watching. Check ABC's website
-- you might be able to scare up a transcript by doing a search.
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David Hatunen
pulgao <baays...@intrepid.net> wrote:
>Leof...@webtv.net (Rebecca) was alleged to have uttered:
>
>>Did anyone ever see said talk
>>show or see Falwell's show where he made the claim Carmel is repeating?
>
>A story claiming that the Teletubbies promoted homosexuality was
>published in Falwell's newspaper. Shortly thereafter, Falwell was
>on ABC's "Politically Incorrect" repudiating the story, saying
>that it should not have appeared in his newspaper (OK, so he
>waffled a bit, but said that his grandkids love the show and that
>he didn't see anything wrong with it).
Falwell's denial that he knew what was in his own newsletter is
well known. I've got serious questions about a person of Falwell's
reknown who doesn't check his own newsletter before it goes out.
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< Teletubbies rumors snipped>
>Now, at this point I'm skeptical of the story, since it qualifies as
>hearsay. Carmel told me what Jerry Falwell says the show's creators said
>on an unnamed talkshow. But is there any truth to this at all? Did the
>show's creators ever go on a talk show? Did anyone ever see said talk
>show or see Falwell's show where he made the claim Carmel is repeating?
http://gabrielmedia.org/news/falwell_teletubbies.html
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[....]
: This seems to be one of those ULs which, although false to begin with, has
: given rise to stuff that makes it T. At least two gay couples I know have
: Tinky-Winky dolls that they display with great (gay) pride.
We have one ourselves, me and the missus. My wife fell in love
with it when she saw it in an auction basket at an event, aptly named,
called Masters and Slaves Together, or MAST. This Tinky-Winky sported a
leather body harness, a cockring armband, and a multi-tailed whip. And
still does, seated upon the enormous bondage chair that my wife didn't
realize came with the basket when she bid on it.
Will "literally, a cross to bear" Brame
Rebecca
just recently started hanging out here and I only heard this silliness
about Tinky Winky and Jerry Falwell a week ago). I'm just looking for
facts with which to debunk this silliness next time it floats around.
At least I hope the first two rumors are new to you all, so I
contributed something.
Anyway, thank you for the pointers and info.
Rebecca
http://community.webtv.net/Leofwynn/MessageInaBottle
necron99
Don't watch it! Don't let your kids watch it! They'll turn into zombies
and you will retch for hours! Who cares if Tinky Winky's gay? He's stupid
and insipid and he looks like those aliens that beamed me up to their ship
and
stuck a probe...
Oh, never mind.
--
necron99
Grem
>duty to tell us about these things when he finds out about them.
>(I couldn't get any more specific info out of Carmel - not the name of
>the supposed talk show, where Falwell got his info [the supposed talk
>show or somewhere else], etc. I did try to point out that Jerry Falwell
>might not deliberately lie but might be mislead by incorrect
>information, to no avail. Carmel seemed insistent that 'Falwell said it,
>ergo it is true'.)
Jerry Falwell wouldn't lie!! HA HA HA HA HEE HEE HEE HA ... oh stop it HA HA
HA ... I can't take much more HEE HEE HEE ... I'm going to die laughing if you
keep telling jokes like that HA HA HA HA ......
Viv
Rebecca wrote in message
<3778-37C...@newsd-212.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
|Thank you all for the help. I didn't mean to bring up an 'old' story (I
|just recently started hanging out here and I only heard this silliness
|about Tinky Winky and Jerry Falwell a week ago). I'm just looking for
|facts with which to debunk this silliness next time it floats around.
Thanks for the apology, but it wasn't really necessary. Yours was a model
post.
|At least I hope the first two rumors are new to you all, so I
|contributed something.
I do actually remember something about the first one {the actor playing
Tinky-Winky fired after running around nude) but the second one about the
Trinity is absolutely new.
In alt.gossip.celebrities deja archive I found the following dated
1999/02/22 - CAMPY TINKY-WINKY GOT THE AX:
----------------------------------------
>Now it turns out that Dave Thompson, the first actor to play the
>Tinky Winky character, was fired from the British kiddy show
>because producers thought he was playing the role too campy. >
<<snip>>
>The flamboyant Thompson reportedly works now as a "nude balloon dancer."
He also works in London as a £20 a night stand-up comedian using his time
with the TT's as material - I believe he advertises himself as 'The Original
Tinky-Winky' or something similar.
--------------------------------
Also from an article allegedly in the NY Post:
"The Teletubby producers cited "creative differences" when they dumped
Thompson two years ago. "His interpretation of the role was not acceptable,"
said a spokesman for Ragdoll Productions.
Thompson - dubbed "Kinky Winky" by Fleet Street's News of the World - was
replaced by a dancer, Simon Shelton, who was directed to tone down on the
prancing.
Thompson was furious. "I was the first one to fall off my chair and roll
over. I took all the risks," he declared. "It was a devastating blow at the
time but my life has moved on."
---------------------------------------
The sound bite from Thompson above sounds like it might come from his
stand-up routine.
Apparently, although he apparently DID have a habit of running around the
set nude, nobody was particularly bothered by that (considering how hot the
costumes are, and how often the actors have to take them off to avoid heat
prostration, I can imagine the running around nude thing as just high
spirits while attempting to cool down - the set is out in the middle of the
countryside where nobody overlooks it, so it doesn't seem like the worst
thing in the world to do)
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Randy Poe
> When the faggotty-tinky-winky "news" erupted, I'd never seen teletubbies
I'd caught snatches of it, and my teenage daughter for some
reason developed a brief fascination for it.
> several people
> had told me it was terrible because it was dumbed way down to be
> completely braindead, designed to mesmerize children & teach them to
> talk babytalk
My overwhelming impression was that somebody had studied
toddlers, very closely. It was *exactly* like watching
2-3 year olds interact. I can't imagine a 4-yr-old
having any patience at all for it. You might as well say
that asking your kindergartner to play with his baby
sister is an attempt to brainwash him into baby talk.
> When I finally did see them I was
> mesmerized by their eerie beauty.
Well, to each their own. It drove me nuts. All I could
think was "I don't have any of these running around the
house anymore, why do I need to watch them on TV?" I'm
still fascinated at seeing interactions between toddlers,
the apparent communication with 1-2 word sentences, but
the fascination wears off after about 30 seconds.
I did check out the show after the Tinky-Winky flap
(and BTW the original poster missed the part about the
toy teletubbie that says "faggot"). I did find it odd
that the character is definitely male and clearly carrying
a purse. But I think family values are still safe. No
active recruitment going on.
Randy "now what about Bert & Ernie on Sesame Street?" Poe
Eve
>only boring when they got broadcasts to their tummies & they show ten
>minutes of bad "realistic" film.
See, if you were 3-5 this would be very nearly the most mesmerizing part of the
show. Trust me on this one. My daughter's other favorite part is dancing very
enthusiastically whenever they dance.
>Though I don't think
>little-tiny children should be watching television AT ALL, since parents
>ARE going to use television in lieu of parenting, I suspect those weaned
>on teletubbies will have been shaped in more positive ways (with aesthetic
>judgement for example) than those weaned on standard Saturday morning fare
>& videos of Disney cartoon musicals which suck rotten raw eggs bigtime.
>And not the least important among the positive features are the variety of
>"colors" unified by mutual affection, their creative desire to dance &
>learn, AND the fact that Tinky Winky pretty obviously is a big sissy & in
>no way demeaned for it.
I'd agree with that statement. In defence of kiddos watching television, I'd
like to point out that 20 minutes of (relative) peace and quiet is awfully nice
sometimes. The problem comes when the TV is on 24/7 and the kid is encouraged
to just sit and watch all day and stay out from under foot. But if your child
is going to watch something, you could do *a lot* worse than Teletubbies.
Eve
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Tom Sevart
Randy Poe wrote in message <37CE6C08...@dgsys.com>...
>paghat wrote:
>
>Randy "now what about Bert & Ernie on Sesame Street?" Poe
Well, now that you mention it, I was told matter-of-factly by my
sister-in-law that Bert and Ernie are gay, and that Sesame Street are
portraying them that way. When pressed for evidence, she said that she
heard it some where.
I remember watching Sesame Street when a youngster (not all that long ago),
and Bert & Ernie did share a bedroom, although had different beds. I
haven't seen the show for years, but I'm assuming it's the same nowadays.
As a young person watching the show, I naturally presumed that B&E were
brothers. After all, they still played with toys, so they wouldn't be seen
by young eyes as being adults. That would naturally explain why they shared
a room. I bet most children would see them in the same light.
That's not to say that some religious groups won't pick up the cause and try
to get them taken off TV. It's amazing what people can do with an excess of
time at their disposal.
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paghat
<n2...@yahoo.comnospam> wrote:
> Randy Poe wrote in message <37CE6C08...@dgsys.com>...
> >paghat [did not either] wrote:
> >
> >Randy "now what about Bert & Ernie on Sesame Street?" Poe
>
> Well, now that you mention it, I was told matter-of-factly by my
> sister-in-law that Bert and Ernie are gay, and that Sesame Street are
> portraying them that way. When pressed for evidence, she said that she
> heard it some where.
>
> I remember watching Sesame Street when a youngster (not all that long ago),
> and Bert & Ernie did share a bedroom, although had different beds. I
> haven't seen the show for years, but I'm assuming it's the same nowadays.
> As a young person watching the show, I naturally presumed that B&E were
> brothers. After all, they still played with toys, so they wouldn't be seen
> by young eyes as being adults. That would naturally explain why they shared
> a room. I bet most children would see them in the same light.
>
> That's not to say that some religious groups won't pick up the cause and try
> to get them taken off TV. It's amazing what people can do with an excess of
> time at their disposal.
>
> Tom "I always knew Bert was gay by that laugh of his" Sevart
>
I remember a Bert & Ernie routine where they're in the bedroom together &
Bert's in bed asleep & Ernie says, "I wonder if Bert's asleep" & begins to
diddle with his butch husband's body beginning with the ears & ending with
the toes -- just to find out if Bert's asleep of course. They're pretty
obviously playing man & wife & occasionally the authors of the skits make
it SO obvious I'm surprised the Falwells of the world didn't picket the
show starting way back in the 1970s. Frank Oz has since made at least one
pro-gay movie (can't recall the title; it starred Kevin Klein as a gay
school teacher & has a charming on-screen kiss with Tom "always had a
faggoty mustache" Skelleg (probably mispelled that. So it's not like the
muppeteers were completely innocent of the theme & expressing homosexual
domestic situations by accident. IF the post-Sesame Street generation is a
bit less homophobic than their parents could well be Bert & Ernie were a
positive influence.
-paghat the ratdyke
Stephen Churchill
Sep 1999 14:28:12 GMT:
>I remember a Bert & Ernie routine where they're in the bedroom together &
>Bert's in bed asleep & Ernie says, "I wonder if Bert's asleep" & begins to
>diddle with his butch husband's body beginning with the ears & ending with
>the toes -- just to find out if Bert's asleep of course.
I remeber this skit; as a matter of fact, it was on within the last
week (hey, my 6-year-old watches it, not me, honest!).
>They're pretty
>obviously playing man & wife & occasionally the authors of the skits make
>it SO obvious
Examples? I'm not sure it's as obvious to me as it is to, for
example, you. I always assumes Bert & Ernie were just The Odd Couple
repackaged for the preschool set.
>I'm surprised the Falwells of the world didn't picket the
>show starting way back in the 1970s.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the show HAS been protested for
just this reason. Remember, however, that just becasue some group of
people reads something into a show, doesn't mean that's what the
creaters intended (as the entrie flap about Tinky-Winky being gay
proves). Some Christian groups also believe that Dungeons & Dragons
is a tool of the devil; [1] that don't make it so....
>Frank Oz has since made at least one
>pro-gay movie
"In and Out"
>(can't recall the title; it starred Kevin Klein as a gay
>school teacher & has a charming on-screen kiss with Tom "always had a
>faggoty mustache" Skelleg [sic]
Selleck. As I recall, he doesn't have the mustache in the movie in
question, although I haven't seen it. I THOUGHT that the point of the
movie was that people think Klein's character is gay when he is, in
fact straight, but as I said, I didn't see the film.
>So it's not like the
>muppeteers were completely innocent of the theme & expressing homosexual
>domestic situations by accident.
Well, it's not like anyone in the modern world is COMPLETELY innocent
of the themes. But I'm not sure Frank Oz actually had (has?) anything
to do with Bert & Ernie. Jim Henson was the voice of Ernie until he
died, and Henson was generally regarded as the creative mind behind
the actual creation of the muppets, while Oz was a "Muppet Performer."
If Oz was the performer behind Bert, [2] then obviously I'm in error
here.
> IF the post-Sesame Street generation is a
>bit less homophobic than their parents could well be Bert & Ernie were a
>positive influence.
*shrug* Frankly, anything that reduces the amount of hate that ANYONE
directs to his fellow human being is a good thing.
[1] I'm not going to even get into this debate here, as it would
violate the ban on religious discussion, it's only an example. If you
want to take it over to rec.games.frp.dnd, I'll meet you there, but
I'm warning you; that group has a thin skin about that topic, prepare
to wear asbestos
[2] Yes, I'm perfectly aware that given the subject matter this is a
horrible double entendre.
________________________________
"There's not a word yet
For old friends that just met."
Gonzo, From "The Muppet Movie"
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stephen....@bigfoot.com ICQ#1806322
John Francis
>
>I did check out the show after the Tinky-Winky flap
>(and BTW the original poster missed the part about the
>toy teletubbie that says "faggot"). I did find it odd
>that the character is definitely male and clearly carrying
>a purse.
Definitely male? Based on what evidence?
(Or, to put it another way: Cite?)
Mike Holmans
>Becca Ward <talo...@maniac.deathstar.org> wrote:
>
>[Tinky -Winky as gay pride symbol]
>
>>The "Tinky-Winky as gay propaganda designed to brainwash kids" has come up
>>before in afu, and spawned an ungawdly thread back in March.
>
>This seems to be one of those ULs which, although false to begin with, has
>given rise to stuff that makes it T. At least two gay couples I know have
>Tinky-Winky dolls that they display with great (gay) pride.
I think it only makes it T. if you change the original story that was
supposed to be false.
Surely the original story was that Tinky Winky was deliberately coloured
purple with a triangle on his head because the producers were intent on
promoting homosexuality, or on making TW a gay icon.
But after the Falwell brouhaha, I would be amazed if gays hadn't adopted
TW as an icon, just to spite him (or his surrogates, given that he
himself denies having anything to do with it) even if they hadn't wanted
to adopt it anyway.
If the Establishment allege that the awkward squad of dangerous
subversives are disgusting because they only ever eat chips (ObUS:
french fries), then it is a racing certainty that said awkward squad
will make a point of ostentatiously eating chips at every opportunity.
(The staff at a certain hotel may still be shuddering at the memory of
thirty or so delegates to my union's annual conference who demanded
chips with their dessert at every meal. I just remember the
intelligence-gathering that went into determining exactly when the
General Secretary was going to eat so that we could make sure that we
would be going through this ordering procedure while he was there to
witness it every evening.)
Just as we have to remind some people occasionally that it's not so much
that floss glaws but that old windows prove it that's at stake, so it is
with Tinky Winky. The UL is that his adoption as a gay icon was entirely
intended by the producers, who created him gay ab initio. The intention
before the fact is the UL's McGuffin (see the endless rubbish we endured
from David Lentz), not what happened afterwards. And it's still F.
Mike "eh-oh" Holmans
--
I for one would rather follow the interesting conversations of arrogant
snobs than bask in the warm fuzzy glow of a throng of friendly morons.
- Don Middendorf
http://www.urbanlegends.com is AFU's SotY 1999 (and all other years)
JoAnne Schmitz
Churchill) wrote:
>>They're pretty
>>obviously playing man & wife & occasionally the authors of the skits make
>>it SO obvious
>
>Examples? I'm not sure it's as obvious to me as it is to, for
>example, you. I always assumes Bert & Ernie were just The Odd Couple
>repackaged for the preschool set.
Um, Stephen. Could we have a little talk?
JoAnne "you see, when a man and his friend love each other very much" Schmitz
David Lentz
Mike Holmans wrote:
<snip>
> Surely the original story was that Tinky Winky was deliberately coloured
> purple with a triangle on his head because the producers were intent on
> promoting homosexuality, or on making TW a gay icon.
The issue of if Tinky Winky was deliberately intended be
perceived as a homosexual was a subsequent issue. The original
issue, at point I entered the tread, was whether Jerry Falwell
outed Tinky.
David
Crash Johnson
news:3778-37C...@newsd-212.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> I've heard some interesting rumors about the Teletubbies
<>
Hello and welcome to the froup. Before you make [anymore] terrible mistakes,
you really should check out www.snopes.com and www.urbanlegends.com
Crash 'I thought she was OUR Rebecca for a moment' Johnson
Stephen Suffet
>
> CARMEL: The symbol on Tinky Winky's head is a symbol of gay pride to
> promote homosexuality.
> ME: Where did you hear that? For something to promote 'homosexuality'
> you actually have to mention homosexuality, which the show doesn't do.
Greetings:
The Nazis identified homosexual prisoners and slave laborers by
making them wear pink triangular cloth patches. (The Nazis were very
efficient in using cloth patches sewn to uniforms to identify various
classes of prisoners.) Some modern gay rights activists have in fact
used the pink triangle as a symbol of pride or as a symbol of resistance
to oppression. However, any connection with the Teletubbies is purely
coincidental.
Regards,
Steve
R H Draney
> In article <37dbd076....@news.digex.net>,
> jsch...@qis.net (JoAnne Schmitz) wrote:
> > On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:30:27 GMT, stephen....@bigfoot.com (Stephen
> > Churchill) wrote:
> >
> > >Examples? I'm not sure it's as obvious to me as it is to, for
> > >example, you. I always assumes Bert & Ernie were just The Odd Couple
> > >repackaged for the preschool set.
> >
> > Um, Stephen. Could we have a little talk?
> >
>
> Wh...what about the Odd Couple?
>
> Alan "Next they'll be starting rumors about Gilgamesh and Enkidu" Follett
Ooh!...do Batman and Robin next!....
ObReturnToOriginalTopic: I watched the first episode of Teletubbies when it
arrived here in the States, just to see what all the fuss was
about...(following my usual procedure with such media phenomena as Power
Rangers and Pokemon)...what struck me more than anything else was that these
four cuddly characters seemed to be living under a really scary totalitarian
regime...disembodied voices from tubes sticking out of the floor tell the
characters what to do and when to do it....r
--
"But time is not like tomatoes; it's more like bulk flour"--sam
ksc
it's got to be Dipsy--the greenish one. Look at the thing
on top of its head--could it be any more phallic?
Personally, I find the baby's face/sun thing much more
disconcerting...
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jsch...@qis.net (JoAnne Schmitz) wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:30:27 GMT, stephen....@bigfoot.com (Stephen
> Churchill) wrote:
>
> >Examples? I'm not sure it's as obvious to me as it is to, for
> >example, you. I always assumes Bert & Ernie were just The Odd Couple
> >repackaged for the preschool set.
>
> Um, Stephen. Could we have a little talk?
>
Wh...what about the Odd Couple?
Alan "Next they'll be starting rumors about Gilgamesh and Enkidu" Follett
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pulgao
>Ooh!...do Batman and Robin next!....
There's an old book (from the 1940's or 50's) called "Seduction of the
Innocent" which makes that very claim. The book is an anti-comic book
screed that helped spawn the Comics Code that did in those old EC
horror comics.
The case is made in a very unconvincing manner by a "psychologist" (I
forget the authors name -- sorry) who asserts that comic books were
ruining America's youth by promoting illiteracy, sexual deviance, etc.
There was a copy in the library at college. I never finished the book.
I alternated between laughing convulsively and ranting "What a crock
of shit!" It's not a particularly good read, but the parts about
Batman and Robin's idyllic homosexual existence together are totally
hilarious.
Harlequin
>four cuddly characters seemed to be living under a really scary totalitarian
>regime...disembodied voices from tubes sticking out of the floor tell the
>characters what to do and when to do it....r
>
I'm still trying to figure out how they knew that I had nightmares about
an evil scary blue vacuum cleaner...Noo-noo is the Antichrist.
"Lagartixa" <<Harlequin>>
~Filha de Bimba nao pode cair~
"We saw her eating bugs one day, so we decided to name her after a gecko..."
Harlequin
>Definitely male? Based on what evidence?
>
>(Or, to put it another way: Cite?)
>
At BBC's Teletubbies website
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/teletubbies/), it mentions Tinky Winky in great
detail and always refers to it as "he."
Barbara Mikkelson
> Well, now that you mention it, I was told matter-of-factly by my
> sister-in-law that Bert and Ernie are gay, and that Sesame Street
> are portraying them that way. When pressed for evidence, she said
> that she heard it some where.
She wasn't the only to hear that particular bit of gossip. But it
gets worse. In a wild extension of the basic rumour, boycotts of
Sesame Street Live were called for because Bert and Ernie were going
to get married as part of the show.
http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/gaymupp.htm
Barbara "muppet but the truth" Mikkelson
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David Lentz
Let me see, Tinky Winky is purple, the same color as the seen on
the homosexual pride flag. Has a triangle, shaped like a
homosexual pride symbol. Carries a purse, even if it called a
magic bag. Yet any connection is purely coincidental.
David
Randy Poe
>
> In article <37CE6C08...@dgsys.com>, Randy Poe <q...@dgsys.com> wrote:
> >
> >I did check out the show after the Tinky-Winky flap
> >(and BTW the original poster missed the part about the
> >toy teletubbie that says "faggot"). I did find it odd
> >that the character is definitely male and clearly carrying
> >a purse.
>
None whatsoever. Purely the overwhelming impression in
my mind, based on size, deeper voice, and damned if I
know what else. If you told me this character was supposed
to be female, I'd sit there and stare and try to reconcile
that info with my impressions, but I don't think I'd succeed.
And as the "Bert and Ernie" subthread has proved,
what is "obvious" in our own minds can vary over a
VERY wide spectrum.
What *about* Felix & Oscar, pag?
Randy "at least I know Xena & Gabrielle are straight" Poe
paghat
(pulgao) wrote:
> R H Draney <dado...@earthlink.net> was alleged to have uttered:
>
> >Ooh!...do Batman and Robin next!....
>
> There's an old book (from the 1940's or 50's) called "Seduction of the
> Innocent" which makes that very claim. The book is an anti-comic book
> screed that helped spawn the Comics Code that did in those old EC
> horror comics.
>
> The case is made in a very unconvincing manner by a "psychologist" (I
> forget the authors name -- sorry) who asserts that comic books were
> ruining America's youth by promoting illiteracy, sexual deviance, etc.
>
> There was a copy in the library at college. I never finished the book.
> I alternated between laughing convulsively and ranting "What a crock
> of shit!" It's not a particularly good read, but the parts about
> Batman and Robin's idyllic homosexual existence together are totally
> hilarious.
>
> -- Steve Lopez
Dr Fred Wertham. His old study on the evils of comic books induced the
Comics Code. I exchanged a few letters with him when I was a kid & he was
a geezer. He did a study of science fiction fandom & fandom's s-f fanzines
& all the fans were worried he'd say we were all sicko & needed an s-f
code. The paper he ended up writing essentially said we were cute nerds &
that was about all. He was a sweet old crank, but he did bring the golden
age of comics to a screeching halt.
-paghat the ratgirl
Bossman
> Let me see, Tinky Winky is purple, the same color as the seen on
> the homosexual pride flag. Has a triangle, shaped like a
> homosexual pride symbol. Carries a purse, even if it called a
> magic bag. Yet any connection is purely coincidental.
>
> David
My logo is a triangle.
As a breifcase, I carry an old French leather 'school bag' with on
shoulder strap.
I'll probably get an iBook this month and my wife is leaning toward
purple!
Is anyone's gay-dar going off?
Because, David, so far as me and my dick know...it is all coincidental.
I thought I told David (about six months ago) what 'gay' is? (It ain't
shapes, colors and accessories.
Michael
Please direct e-mail to both of the following addresses :
mitc...@image-link.com
mitc...@att.net
Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.
Deborah Stevenson
On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, pulgao wrote:
> R H Draney <dado...@earthlink.net> was alleged to have uttered:
>
> >Ooh!...do Batman and Robin next!....
>
> There's an old book (from the 1940's or 50's) called "Seduction of the
> Innocent" which makes that very claim. The book is an anti-comic book
> screed that helped spawn the Comics Code that did in those old EC
> horror comics.
>
> The case is made in a very unconvincing manner by a "psychologist" (I
> forget the authors name -- sorry)
Frederick Wertham. Quite an influential book in its odd little way.
> There was a copy in the library at college. I never finished the book.
> I alternated between laughing convulsively and ranting "What a crock
> of shit!" It's not a particularly good read, but the parts about
> Batman and Robin's idyllic homosexual existence together are totally
> hilarious.
I don't know whether it extends to comics or not, but there's apparently
quite a large genre of fan fiction devoted to homosexual relationships
between male media characters (known as "slash," after the punctuation
mark /). Camille Bacon-Smith has a chapter on it in _Enterprising Women:
Television Fandom and the Creation of Popular Myth (though I guess there's
some dispute about some of her conclusions). According to a friend active
in other parts of fandom but friends with many writers of same, they're
mostly straight women, and they're not necessarily writing on the premise
that the show itself intends an erotic connection. Which I guess is the
difference between them and Mr. Wertham.
Deborah Stevenson
(stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Becca Ward
> Let me see, Tinky Winky is purple, the same color as the seen on
> the homosexual pride flag. Has a triangle, shaped like a
> homosexual pride symbol. Carries a purse, even if it called a
> magic bag. Yet any connection is purely coincidental.
Oh, look, there he goes again.
Actually, I think the real propaganda conspiracy is embodied in the green
one, with the large penis on his head. Obviously a symbol for the Green
Man, and part of a plot to indoctrinate our children in paganistic Druidic
practices. Except when we're indoctrinating them into a Chinese red
Commie "faggot faggot bite my butt" mindset.
And on next week's episode: "Care Bears -- Innocent children's cartoon?
Or subtle Soviet brainwashing campaign?"
Becca "and what is up with Dudley Do-Right and Horse?" Ward
--
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a wild board in rutting season, singlemindedly pursuing
its quest to have Taylor removed from her home.
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723 So.2d 1288, 1289 (Ala. Civ. App. 1998)
pulgao
>Becca "and what is up with Dudley Do-Right and Horse?" Ward
Nothing except penis envy. Nell's the one who has the hots for Horse.
-- Steve Lopez
(and if anyone says "cite?", I'm going to tell you to go watch a
f**king cartoon)
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pulgao
uttered:
>Let me see, Tinky Winky is purple, the same color as the seen on
>the homosexual pride flag. Has a triangle, shaped like a
>homosexual pride symbol. Carries a purse, even if it called a
>magic bag. Yet any connection is purely coincidental.
And all of it (even if true) means exactly squadoo to the target
audience. My kids have no idea what a homosexual pride flag is, nor a
homosexual pride symbol. And when my wife and I jokingly bust on
Tinky-Winky for carrying a pocketbook, my kids loudly protest, "It's
*not* a pocketbook -- it's a bag for his stuff, like a bookbag!"
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> I'm still trying to figure out how they knew that I had nightmares about
> an evil scary blue vacuum cleaner...Noo-noo is the Antichrist.
Sorry, the title is already taken.
Charles Wm. Dimmick
"And some rin up hill and down dale, knapping
the chucky stanes to pieces wi' hammers, like
sae mony road-makers run daft -- they say it is
to see how the warld was made!"
paghat
<Pine.GSU.4.03.990903...@maniac.deathstar.org>, Becca
Ward <talo...@deathstar.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, David Lentz wrote:
>
> > Let me see, Tinky Winky is purple, the same color as the seen on
> > the homosexual pride flag. Has a triangle, shaped like a
> > homosexual pride symbol. Carries a purse, even if it called a
> > magic bag. Yet any connection is purely coincidental.
>
> Oh, look, there he goes again.
>
> Actually, I think the real propaganda conspiracy is embodied in the green
> one, with the large penis on his head. Obviously a symbol for the Green
> Man, and part of a plot to indoctrinate our children in paganistic Druidic
> practices. Except when we're indoctrinating them into a Chinese red
> Commie "faggot faggot bite my butt" mindset.
>
> And on next week's episode: "Care Bears -- Innocent children's cartoon?
> Or subtle Soviet brainwashing campaign?"
>
> Becca "and what is up with Dudley Do-Right and Horse?" Ward
>
The real problem is that the red one is a commy.
-paghat
pulgao
>Dr Fred Wertham. His old study on the evils of comic books induced the
>Comics Code. I exchanged a few letters with him when I was a kid & he was
>a geezer.
I'm truly amazed that he replied. I got the impression from his book
that he wouldn't be interested in entertaining a dissenting point of
view.
>He did a study of science fiction fandom & fandom's s-f fanzines
>& all the fans were worried he'd say we were all sicko & needed an s-f
>code.
It's a good thing this happened pre-1970's or he'd have gone off the
deep end.
>The paper he ended up writing essentially said we were cute nerds &
>that was about all. He was a sweet old crank, but he did bring the golden
>age of comics to a screeching halt.
And for that he will be forever damned ("sweet old crank" or not),
hopefully in a fashion suitable for EC comics (though I'm not feeling
creative enough today to come up with any adequate torments. Judging
by some of the truly perverse notions he presented in his book,
anything I could envision would be something he'd probably secretly
get off on).
Chris Clarke
<dlen...@rochester.rr.com//NOSPAM//> wrote:
| Let me see, Tinky Winky is purple, the same color as the seen on
| the homosexual pride flag.
Damn those rainbows anyway.
Chris "has it been 90 days already? ah, well. Plonk" Clarke
THORPE, JASON
> The Nazis identified homosexual prisoners and slave laborers by
> making them wear pink triangular cloth patches. (The Nazis were very
> efficient in using cloth patches sewn to uniforms to identify various
> classes of prisoners.) Some modern gay rights activists have in fact
> used the pink triangle as a symbol of pride or as a symbol of resistance
> to oppression. However, any connection with the Teletubbies is purely
> coincidental.
Useless trivia - The British hi-fi company, Pink Triangle, picked their
name from this very fact. They manufactured turntables exclusively for
a number of years, starting in the 70's. And yes, they were founded by
homosexuals.
And yes, vinyl LPs do in fact sound better than CDs!
Jason "still spinning the black circle" Thorpe
paghat
(pulgao) wrote:
> pag...@my-dejaUNSPAMO.com (paghat) was alleged to have uttered:
>
> >Dr Fred Wertham. His old study on the evils of comic books induced the
> >Comics Code. I exchanged a few letters with him when I was a kid & he was
> >a geezer.
>
> I'm truly amazed that he replied. I got the impression from his book
> that he wouldn't be interested in entertaining a dissenting point of
> view.
When he started contacting fans admitting he was "studying" us we thought
we were doomed. But the study he eventually published gave us a clean bill
of health (we sure fooled him). Even after his "study" was completed he
remained involved with fandom until his death & contributed to 1970s
fanzines. He seems not to have been the complete dope & I suspect he
outgrew his convinction that graphic tacky horror in comic books was going
to destroy American youth. Though I never noticed him backpeddling on that
so who knows.
-paghat
pulgao
>Even after his "study" was completed he
>remained involved with fandom until his death & contributed to 1970s
>fanzines. He seems not to have been the complete dope & I suspect he
>outgrew his convinction that graphic tacky horror in comic books was going
>to destroy American youth. Though I never noticed him backpeddling on that
>so who knows.
I just wonder what his reaction would have been to Vonnegut's story in
"Again Dangerous Visions" -- the top of his head would probably have
blown off and stuck to the ceiling.
Ulo Melton
>Becca "and what is up with Dudley Do-Right and Horse?" Ward
No, no. Horse is stuck on Nell.
Ulo "whoops, wrong thread" Melton
Charles A. Lieberman
Becca Ward
> Those enamored of the idea poo-pooed any denials (I do not recall whether
> the Teletubbies' producers ever appeared on any talk show), and claimed
> that _The Village Voice_ -- a "gay" publication -- had recognized
> Tinky-Winky as a not-really-closeted homosexual.
I don't know that I'd really call the _Voice_ "a gay publication" (and I
dimly suspect, from your ast^H^H^Hquotes, that you wouldn't either).
--
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Brooklyn, NY, USA | false." --Brett Frankenberger
http://members.tripod.com/~calieber/home.html
Charles A. Lieberman
Rebecca
> I'm just looking for
> facts with which to debunk this silliness next time it floats around.
You're not going to find any. It is beyond impossible to argue with the
already convinced.
--
Charles A. Lieberman | "The computers may be Y2K compliant but the people
Brooklyn, NY, USA | may not be." --Allan and Gus
http://members.tripod.com/~calieber/home.html
Charles A. Lieberman
pulgao
> There's an old book (from the 1940's or 50's) called "Seduction of the
> Innocent" which makes that very claim. The book is an anti-comic book
> screed that helped spawn the Comics Code that did in those old EC
> horror comics.
>
> The case is made in a very unconvincing manner by a "psychologist" (I
> forget the authors name -- sorry)
Frederick Wertham. I read it -- it was funny, but not intentionally, and
it annoyed me.
One of the crimes Wertham attributes to comic books is, wait for it, ad
hominem attacks on Dr. Frederick Wertham.
Charles A. Lieberman
David Lentz
> The issue of if Tinky Winky was deliberately intended be
> perceived as a homosexual was a subsequent issue. The original
> issue, at point I entered the tread, was whether Jerry Falwell
> outed Tinky.
That's a fairly slim distinction. If he wasn't (and notice I say "wasn't"
rather than "weren't") *intended* as gay he couldn't've been outed.
Charles "speak of the devil..." Lieberman
Charles A. Lieberman
Mike Holmans
> But after the Falwell brouhaha, I would be amazed if gays hadn't adopted
> TW as an icon, just to spite him (or his surrogates, given that he
> himself denies having anything to do with it) even if they hadn't wanted
> to adopt it anyway.
I've read Articles(tm) that say gays adopted TW as an icon *before* the
Falwell brouhaha, but I don't recall where.
Harlequin
>homosexual pride symbol. Carries a purse, even if it called a
>magic bag. Yet any connection is purely coincidental.
Felix the cat was black, the color of evil, satanism, and witchcraft. He
was a cat, the common form for a witches' familiar and a traditional symbol of
sensuality. He also carried a magic "bag of tricks" to cause harm to any who
opposed him, much as a witch would. His very name means "lucky," which could
have a connection to the arcane world. Yet I don't think anyone ever accused
poor Felix of being a demon from the nether regions... I think it's just an
example of how people can read entirely too much into something if they are
determined enough.
Rebecca
1) I will check SNOPES etc before putting up any more old things.
2) I know the pink triangle is a symbol of gay pride - and so did my
misguided opponent in the chat room. Which is why, I think, he fell,
hook, line, and sinker for the 'Teletubbies- are- deliberately-
promoting- homosexuality' bit. My point to him (or her - I'm actually
not sure of their gender) was that while the triangle can be a 'gay
symbol', it isn't automatically (it's also a symbol of the Trinity in
classic Christian art [see my second rumor], as well as a symbol of
other things). It COULD just be a triangle (something I also pointed out
to him). And while there is some reference to gender in the show, there
really are no references to 'gender roles' or sex. It's hard to promote
what you just don't talk about, IMHO.
3) I watch the show more frequently than I like - my kids (all of whom
are under three) watch it. (Don't lecture me on the 'evils' of TV,
please, I lived 3 years without one before i got married, and I severely
limit my kids TV time and monitor content.) As far as I can tell, it is
boring to adults, but my kids interact well with it (my eldest talks
about it, both her and her sister dance and imitate the 'Tubbies). I
don't approve of shows that encourage couch-potatoism, but for the under
4 set, this is not a couch-potato show. (Though I have heard of one case
of a child be too freaked by the baby faced sun to even be able to be in
the same room when it's on....)
4) Tinky-winky is a ' he'. While they rarely use pronouns on the show
(toddlers aren't known for their use of pronouns - even 'me' or 'I'),
the books etc. all call Tinky-Winky a 'he'. (For those of you who care
Tinky-Winky [purple] is male, Dipsy [green] is male, and La-la [yellow]
and Po [Red] are female. The Nu-Nu, which looks a bit like a canister
vacuum and cleans house for them, is neither. It's always refered to as
'the Nu-nu'.)
5) Tinky-winky carries a 'bag' as his favorite thing. (all the Tubbies
have favorite things - Tinky's is a bag). It is always called a 'bag'
not a 'purse' though it resembles what most people would consider a
woman's purse. It's bright red with a handle and a clasp.
6) I have known of people using Tinky as a gay pride symbol - but I
didn't think that it was a deliberate promotion by the Teletubbie
creators, but rather just an off-shoot tgrass-roots thing. My original
question was if tit was a deliberate promotion and if the creators had
ever been recorded as saying such. [The answer to both parts of that
question being 'No'.]
7) The 'Bert and Ernie are gay and deliberately portrayed that way' is a
belief current with the same set that promotes the idea that the
Teletubbies are deliberately gay. I have had several fundamentalist
Christians tell me on chat that they don't let their children watch
Sesame Street or Muppets or have the related toys because 'Bert and
Ernie are gay'. This story has been current since I was in junior high
at least (20 years ago). It's probably as old as Sesame Street itself.
8) Finally, if someone wants more info on the 'Tinky Winky promotes the
Trinity', I'll se what else can find out about this rather wierd
mutation of the UL.
Rebecca
http://community.webtv.net/Leofwynn/MessageInaBottle
Becca Ward
> >Becca "and what is up with Dudley Do-Right and Horse?" Ward
>
> No, no. Horse is stuck on Nell.
~~
Is that the correct preposition?
> Ulo "whoops, wrong thread" Melton
Oh. Nevermind.
Becca Ward
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paghat
harl...@aol.comnyaaagh (Harlequin) wrote:
> >Let me see, Tinky Winky is purple, the same color as the seen on
> >the homosexual pride flag. Has a triangle, shaped like a
> >homosexual pride symbol. Carries a purse, even if it called a
> >magic bag. Yet any connection is purely coincidental.
>
>
> Felix the cat was black, the color of evil, satanism, and witchcraft.
And black people.
> He
> was a cat, the common form for a witches' familiar and a traditional symbol of
> sensuality. He also carried a magic "bag of tricks" to cause harm to any who
> opposed him, much as a witch would. His very name means "lucky," which could
> have a connection to the arcane world. Yet I don't think anyone ever accused
> poor Felix of being a demon from the nether regions...
You cinvinced me.
-paghat
David Hatunen
David Lentz <dlen...@rochester.rr.com//NOSPAM//> wrote:
>Let me see, Tinky Winky is purple, the same color as the seen on
>the homosexual pride flag. Has a triangle, shaped like a
>homosexual pride symbol. Carries a purse, even if it called a
>magic bag. Yet any connection is purely coincidental.
Ohmigod! I'm wearing a blue shirt today and the gay flag has blue
in it. I'm getting a divorce and going to hang around in the
Castro.
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Simon Slavin
jfra...@dungeon.engr.sgi.com (John Francis) wrote:
> In article <37CE6C08...@dgsys.com>, Randy Poe <q...@dgsys.com> wrote:
> >
> >I did check out the show after the Tinky-Winky flap
> >(and BTW the original poster missed the part about the
> >toy teletubbie that says "faggot"). I did find it odd
> >that the character is definitely male and clearly carrying
> >a purse.
>
> Definitely male? Based on what evidence?
The narrator refers to to him in a sex-tagged way (calling him
"he" or referring to "his bag") occasionally. You can find out
the sex of all the Teletubbies by watching just two or three
programmes.
> (Or, to put it another way: Cite?)
I don't have specific programme numbers for you. Sorry.
Simon.
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brigid nelson
>
> >Let me see, Tinky Winky is purple, the same color as the seen on
> >the homosexual pride flag. Has a triangle, shaped like a
> >homosexual pride symbol. Carries a purse, even if it called a
> >magic bag. Yet any connection is purely coincidental.
>
> was a cat, the common form for a witches' familiar and a traditional symbol of
> sensuality. He also carried a magic "bag of tricks" to cause harm to any who
> opposed him, much as a witch would. His very name means "lucky," which could
> have a connection to the arcane world. Yet I don't think anyone ever accused
> example of how people can read entirely too much into something if they are
> determined enough.
>
It seems obvious to me, rather, that Felix was successful. His demonic
influence has spread unchecked through our cultural landscape, paving
the way for such dark artists as Al*c* C**p*r and M*r*lyn M*ns*n.
The fact that a Felix doll was the first object successfully transmitted
via television is only further proof of his satanic importance.
brigid "when he gets into a fix, he reaches into his bag of tricks"
nelson
Lisa Cech
[big snip of conclusions already reached]
> 8) Finally, if someone wants more info on the 'Tinky Winky promotes the
> Trinity', I'll se what else can find out about this rather wierd
> mutation of the UL.
I Am Sure(TM) that Time magazine had an essay in it around the time of the
whole Jerry Falout -- I'm not sure who wrote it or the exact issue date (I
tried searching the archives, but came up with nothing) -- which gave examples
of what else Tinky Winky could represent besides homosexuality. The author
specifically made a case for the Catholic Church, with the triangle
representing the Trinity, purple being the color of the Advent, and I Am Also
Sure(pat. pending) he made a case for the pur^H^H^H bag.
This may have been a starting point for the conjecture. Sorry I can't be more
help, but Time's archives are more than a little unwieldy. But that's the only
possible place I can think of where I could have read it.
Lisa "How about the theme song -- Is it closer to "Ave Maria" or "It's Raining
Men"? That could settle it" Cech
H Gilmer
> (Though I have heard of one case
> of a child be too freaked by the baby faced sun to even be able to be in
> the same room when it's on....)
Yeah, that was me, except I was 28 years old at the time.
Hg
MAYBE
> Felix the cat was black, the color of evil, satanism, and witchcraft. He
>was a cat, the common form for a witches' familiar and a traditional symbol of
>sensuality. He also carried a magic "bag of tricks" to cause harm to any who
Actually, I think "felix" means "happy", as in "Meow! Hello, all you little
tykes in TV-land...come worship Satin with me, Felix, and you'll be sooo-o-o
*happy*"
Mary "Oooooh! And how 'bout that George Fayne chick?" Crosson
Lon Stowell
>
>Actually, I think the real propaganda conspiracy is embodied in the green
>one, with the large penis on his head. Obviously a symbol for the Green
>Man, and part of a plot to indoctrinate our children in paganistic Druidic
>practices. Except when we're indoctrinating them into a Chinese red
>Commie "faggot faggot bite my butt" mindset.
This is confusing. What is abnormal about portrayal of any
male figure with a penis directly attached to, or in place of,
their brain?
Brian Yeoh
> In article <37cfde5c...@news.intrepid.net>, baays...@intrepid.net
> (pulgao) wrote:
> > pag...@my-dejaUNSPAMO.com (paghat) was alleged to have uttered:
> > >Dr Fred Wertham. His old study on the evils of comic books induced the
> > >Comics Code. I exchanged a few letters with him when I was a kid & he was
> > >a geezer.
> > I'm truly amazed that he replied. I got the impression from his book
> > that he wouldn't be interested in entertaining a dissenting point of
> > view.
> When he started contacting fans admitting he was "studying" us we thought
> we were doomed. But the study he eventually published gave us a clean bill
> of health (we sure fooled him). Even after his "study" was completed he
> remained involved with fandom until his death & contributed to 1970s
> fanzines. He seems not to have been the complete dope & I suspect he
> outgrew his convinction that graphic tacky horror in comic books was going
> to destroy American youth. Though I never noticed him backpeddling on that
> so who knows.
There was a brilliant series by Sergio Aragones (he of Spy vs Spy and
Groo) about a comics fanboy who ran into, if not Wertham, someone much
like him.
In the series, Wetham recants.
Fanboy series always make me cringe. They're either too accurate or too
wishful.
Brian "and whoever wrote the freaking Roleplayer Recognition Guide can go
burn; how the hell did she peg me and where do I know her from?" Yeoh
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From whose cold cascading streams |
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Robert M. Wilson
Harlequin wrote in message <19990903221012...@ng-cj1.aol.com>...
>>His very name means "lucky," [...]
>>
>>Actually, I think "felix" means "happy", as in "Meow! Hello, all you
little
>>tykes in TV-land...
>
felix, felicis:
1. fruitbearing, fruitful, fertile
2. auspicious, propitious, favorable
3. lucky, fortunate, happy, successful
paghat
> In article <19990903152306...@ng-fv1.aol.com>,
harl...@aol.comnyaaagh (Harlequin) writes:
> > Felix the cat was black, the color of evil, satanism, and witchcraft. He
> >was a cat, the common form for a witches' familiar and a traditional
symbol of
> >sensuality. He also carried a magic "bag of tricks" to cause harm to any who
> >opposed him, much as a witch would. His very name means "lucky," [...]
>
> Actually, I think "felix" means "happy", as in "Meow! Hello, all you little
> tykes in TV-land...come worship Satin with me, Felix, and you'll be sooo-o-o
> *happy*"
Felix indeed means "bliss" or "happy," yes, & could be regarded as a
synonym for "gay." Though I suspect the namers of Felix (who goes back to
the silent film era) had a pun on Feline in mind, as in "the felicitous
feline Felix feels & licks himself." The bag of tricks is not a sissy's
purse, however, but is an attorney's satchel (which predates the
briefcase) indicative indeed of Satin worship, though my personal stuffed
Felix dolly seems to be made of Cotton.
-paghat the ratgirl
Harlequin
>
>Actually, I think "felix" means "happy", as in "Meow! Hello, all you little
It means both. I think the more common meaning is "happy," though...
pulgao
>Fanboy series always make me cringe. They're either too accurate or too
>wishful.
Ah, but you had to love "Sidney Mellon" (who was practically a UL all
by himself -- did we ever conclusively figure out who he really was?)
-- Steve Lopez
(proud owner of a Mellon-scripted comic book, full of hilarious
"unintentional" adolescent double-entendres)
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Hangar/5176/index.html
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/chesskamikazes
Brian Yeoh
> In article <7qpmhk$7u5$1...@ns3.umkc.edu>, mcro...@cctr.umkc.edu wrote:
> > Actually, I think "felix" means "happy", as in "Meow! Hello, all you little
> > tykes in TV-land...come worship Satin with me, Felix, and you'll be sooo-o-o
> > *happy*"
> Felix indeed means "bliss" or "happy," yes, & could be regarded as a
> synonym for "gay." Though I suspect the namers of Felix (who goes back to
> the silent film era) had a pun on Feline in mind, as in "the felicitous
> feline Felix feels & licks himself." The bag of tricks is not a sissy's
> purse, however, but is an attorney's satchel (which predates the
> briefcase) indicative indeed of Satin worship, though my personal stuffed
> Felix dolly seems to be made of Cotton.
Felix cattus cattus is the Latin term (cladistic? Linnaean?) for the
domestic cat.
Felix is the genus name for felines.
Brian "would K.D. like to interject something here?" Yeoh
Scarecrow
>R H Draney <dado...@earthlink.net> was alleged to have uttered:
>
>>Ooh!...do Batman and Robin next!....
>
>There's an old book (from the 1940's or 50's) called "Seduction of the
>Innocent" which makes that very claim. The book is an anti-comic book
>screed that helped spawn the Comics Code that did in those old EC
>horror comics.
>
>The case is made in a very unconvincing manner by a "psychologist" (I
>forget the authors name -- sorry) who asserts that comic books were
>ruining America's youth by promoting illiteracy, sexual deviance, etc.
Ah, If I remember right it was Dr. Wertham. I may be wrong on the spelling of
that.
>There was a copy in the library at college. I never finished the book.
>I alternated between laughing convulsively and ranting "What a crock
>of shit!" It's not a particularly good read, but the parts about
>Batman and Robin's idyllic homosexual existence together are totally
>hilarious.
>
>-- Steve Lopez
>
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Dutch Courage
>pag...@my-dejaUNSPAMO.com (paghat) was alleged to have uttered:
>
>>Dr Fred Wertham. His old study on the evils of comic books induced the
>>Comics Code. I exchanged a few letters with him when I was a kid & he was
>>a geezer.
>
>I'm truly amazed that he replied. I got the impression from his book
>that he wouldn't be interested in entertaining a dissenting point of
>view.
>
>>He did a study of science fiction fandom & fandom's s-f fanzines
>>& all the fans were worried he'd say we were all sicko & needed an s-f
>>code.
>
>It's a good thing this happened pre-1970's or he'd have gone off the
>deep end.
Actually, his book "The World of Fanzines" was published in 1974. Wertham was
attracted to the idea of community amongst SF and comic book fans.
http://art-bin.com/art/awertham.html
(not totally accurate information at site, for instance TWOF acknowledges
Wertham's role in anit-comic book hysteria)
>
>>The paper he ended up writing essentially said we were cute nerds &
>>that was about all. He was a sweet old crank, but he did bring the golden
>>age of comics to a screeching halt.
This is a bit of an UL itself. Wertham was far from the only anti-comic book
voice, and the comic code was the work of National Periodicals seeking to drive
its more popular rivals out of business without having to resort to the
expedient of creating more entertaining comics as much as anything else.
>
>And for that he will be forever damned ("sweet old crank" or not),
>hopefully in a fashion suitable for EC comics (though I'm not feeling
>creative enough today to come up with any adequate torments. Judging
>by some of the truly perverse notions he presented in his book,
>anything I could envision would be something he'd probably secretly
>get off on).
I am unconvinced Dr. Wertham was a terrible person for wondering in print if
small children should have unrestricted access to the lurid crime comics of the
40's and 50's.
http://dereksantos.com/wahoocgi/jump.cgi?ID=20
The thing about hidden pictures, though, the alleged pudenda in the rendering
on the cowboy's shoulder, was pretty funny.
"There is no land beyond the law, where tyrants rule with unshakable power.
It is but a dream from which the evil wake to face their fate, their
terrifying hour."
-Wesley Dodds.
paghat
hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage) wrote:
> baays...@intrepid.net (pulgao) writes:
[good stuff clipped]
> I am unconvinced Dr. Wertham was a terrible person for wondering in print if
> small children should have unrestricted access to the lurid crime comics
of the
> 40's and 50's.
>
> http://dereksantos.com/wahoocgi/jump.cgi?ID=20
>
> The thing about hidden pictures, though, the alleged pudenda in the rendering
> on the cowboy's shoulder, was pretty funny.
It's been two decades since I read him & I've largely forgotten his
specifics. Your mention of the "hidden pictures" -- I'd completely
forgotten he was the first commentator who ever got me looking for them.
And I still find myself looking for those hidden pictures but the artists
are too clever for me to decode.
Still, at an s-f convention I attended a comics panel to see Trina Robbins
though the guys on the panel (bigshots but I forget which bigshots)
dominated & she hardly said a thing. At one point (without reference to
Wertham) they got off on a tangent about hiding images & words in their
designs -- just something they as artists enjoyed doing for their own
amusement. The example I remember was a spaceship with "alien writing" on
the side which if you looked at it in a mirror was a stylized rendering of
"Fuck You." They admitted that if their bosses had ever detected what they
were up to they could've deepsixed their careers, this at a time when
there were really only two comicbook companies that actually paid
anything.
-paghat the ratgirl
> -Wesley Dodds.
Chris Clarke
Brian Yeoh <by...@panix.com> wrote:
|| Felix cattus cattus is the Latin term (cladistic? Linnaean?) for the
| domestic cat.
|
| Felix is the genus name for felines.
You misplepped "Felis", for most values of "misplepped."
And tying together a thread or two, this morning the Eudora chicken
crowed and laid the below-appended on my hard drive.
-------------------------
[threescore cc:'d email addresses snipped]
Translation of the e-mail sent to me, original from a mrs. Valerie
Purnot:
This morning I received the following message:
do not open the mail "How to give a Cat Colonic".
Your computer will be 'cleaned' immediately.
Please send this mail to as many people as possible.
It is a new, bad virus that few people know.
This information has been released 08-08-99 in the morning, by IBM.
Share this information with everyone in your addresbook so the spreading
of the virus will be stopped.
It is a dangerous virus and can't be recognized by any anti-virus
programme at the moment.
[email addresses, mostly bearing .nl suffices, snipped]
>> Prettig weekend,
>>
>> JT
>>
>> >> From: Purnot, Valerie
>> >> Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 12:13 PM
>> >> To: Iedereen binnen Delaware
>> >> Subject: FW: Warning
>> >>
>> >> Collega's
>> >> Vanochtend ontving ik het volgende bericht:
>> >> Als je een e-mail ontvangt met als onderwerp " How To Give A Cat
>Colonic"
>> >> moet je hem niet openen.
>> >> Je harde schijf word dan meteen gewist. Stuur deze e.mail naar
zoveel
>> >> mogelijk mensen.
>> >> Het is een nieuw, zeer kwaadaardig virus en maar weinig mensen
kennen
>> het.
>> >> Deze informatie werd op de ochtend van 08-08-1999 bekend gemaakt
door
>> IBM.
>> >> Deel dit nieuws met iedereen in je adresboek zodat de
verspreiding van
>> het
>> >> virus stopgezet kan worden.
>> >> Het is een zeer gevaarlijk virus en wordt op dit moment door nog
geen
>> >> enkel anti-virus programma herkend.
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
R H Draney
> There was a brilliant series by Sergio Aragones (he of Spy vs Spy and
> Groo) about a comics fanboy who ran into, if not Wertham, someone much
> like him.
ObNitpick: Spy vs Spy was "by Prohias" (Antonio to be specific)...check the Morse
code under the title for confirmation...Aragones did the little margin
cartoons....r
--
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Brian Yeoh
> Brian Yeoh wrote:
> > There was a brilliant series by Sergio Aragones (he of Spy vs Spy and
> > Groo) about a comics fanboy who ran into, if not Wertham, someone much
> > like him.
> ObNitpick: Spy vs Spy was "by Prohias" (Antonio to be specific)...check the Morse
> code under the title for confirmation...Aragones did the little margin
> cartoons....r
Whoops. How did the two get confused? Were both Cuban exiles?
Aragones did some other long running series, butI can't remember what.
Brian "wasted youth, wise productive old age, etc" Yeoh
Martin Overton
On Sat, 04 Sep 1999 08:31:53 -0700, Chris Clarke
<ccl...@faultlinemag.org> wrote:
>In article <Pine.NEB.4.10.99090...@panix7.panix.com>,
>Brian Yeoh <by...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>|| Felix cattus cattus is the Latin term (cladistic? Linnaean?) for the
>| domestic cat.
>|
>| Felix is the genus name for felines.
>
>You misplepped "Felis", for most values of "misplepped."
>
>And tying together a thread or two, this morning the Eudora chicken
>crowed and laid the below-appended on my hard drive.
>
>-------------------------
>[threescore cc:'d email addresses snipped]
>
>Translation of the e-mail sent to me, original from a mrs. Valerie
>Purnot:
>
>This morning I received the following message:
>do not open the mail "How to give a Cat Colonic".
This is a known hoax....
See http://chekware.simplenet.com/hoax for details on this and LOADS
of other gullibility testers ;-)
Hope this helps?
Simon Slavin
David Lentz <dlen...@rochester.rr.com//NOSPAM//> wrote:
> Let me see, Tinky Winky is purple, the same color as the seen on
> the homosexual pride flag. Has a triangle, shaped like a
> homosexual pride symbol. Carries a purse, even if it called a
> magic bag. Yet any connection is purely coincidental.
Good golly -- he's back. Do you do a daily dejanews search for
'Tinky Winky' or something, David ? Have you entirely forgotten
the discussion we had liast time you posted here on the subject ?
David Lentz
Simon Slavin wrote:
>
> In article <65Oz3.4840$w6.1...@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>,
> David Lentz <dlen...@rochester.rr.com//NOSPAM//> wrote:
>
> > Let me see, Tinky Winky is purple, the same color as the seen on
> > the homosexual pride flag. Has a triangle, shaped like a
> > homosexual pride symbol. Carries a purse, even if it called a
> > magic bag. Yet any connection is purely coincidental.
>
> Good golly -- he's back. Do you do a daily dejanews search for
> 'Tinky Winky' or something, David ? Have you entirely forgotten
> the discussion we had liast time you posted here on the subject ?
You can't return to where you never left. As for the discussion
in question, I remember it quite well.
David
Viv
Simon Slavin wrote in message ...
:In article <65Oz3.4840$w6.1...@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>,
:David Lentz <dlen...@rochester.rr.com//NOSPAM//> wrote:
:
:> Let me see, Tinky Winky is purple, the same color as the seen on
:> the homosexual pride flag. Has a triangle, shaped like a
:> homosexual pride symbol. Carries a purse, even if it called a
:> magic bag. Yet any connection is purely coincidental.
:
:Good golly -- he's back. Do you do a daily dejanews search for
:'Tinky Winky' or something, David ? Have you entirely forgotten
:the discussion we had liast time you posted here on the subject ?
I'm fascinated by the amount of negativity displayed towards children's TV
characters who are "male" and also purple (you know, that bright and
memorable colour that children usually like? - not that there could be so
obvious and non-sinister an answer in the minds of the conspiraloons).
I seem to remember that there was a lot of hostility displayed towards
Barney and his alleged effeminacy also. (Never because he was incredibly
banal and annoying, but because he was "effeminate").
Considering that purple has a proud ultra-masculine history of association
with imperial conquering types come coronation time, when did it suddenly
become a "poofy" colour? (Considering that the gay pride flag is a rainbow,
homophobic men who don't want to give off the "wrong" signals will have to
confine themselves to black, white and grey clothing)
I note that boys and young men in skate/beach clothes seem to have no
problem with purple clothes going hand in hand with rampant heterosexuality,
although in the business world a purple business shirt may be uncommon.
So why is purple in modern times a "not serious" colour amongst the
dress-for-success types, and an "effeminacy" flag for the homophobes? To me
it does not seem a particularly feminine colour (especially in the darker
hues).
Any speculations?
Vivienne "let the hand-waving begin" Smythe
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Brian Yeoh
<snip descriptions of purple>
> I note that boys and young men in skate/beach clothes seem to have no
> problem with purple clothes going hand in hand with rampant heterosexuality,
> although in the business world a purple business shirt may be uncommon.
Not really, and not any more. Certainly, while the upper echelons of the
w*nk*ng community still believe firmly in wearing any shirt as long as
it's white, any tie as long as it's red and any suit so long as it's navy,
in the trenches (so to speak) coloured shirts are making comebacks. Purple
is definitely growing in popularity.
Working avec les grenouilles, I see at least one if not more purple shirt
daily, not to mention pinks. And these are among traders, traditionally
the more aggressive members of a bank.
> So why is purple in modern times a "not serious" colour amongst the
> dress-for-success types, and an "effeminacy" flag for the homophobes? To me
> it does not seem a particularly feminine colour (especially in the darker
> hues).
I don't see that, actually. Neither is pink considered effeminate among
the traders, as long as it's worn with the proper attitude.
Personally, I think the reaction against purple is just a revolt against
its older connotations.
Brian "handwaver extraordinaire" Yeoh
Simon Slavin
H Gilmer <gil...@io.com> wrote:
The sun baby is considered scary by a great many adults and
hardly any children. I'd love to know why adults are creeped-
out by this image but it's probably off-charter here.
Simon Slavin
> Felix cattus cattus is the Latin term (cladistic? Linnaean?) for the
> domestic cat.
Felis Domesticus ?
Lon Stowell
brigid nelson <irja...@teleport.com> wrote:
>
>It seems obvious to me, rather, that Felix was successful. His demonic
>influence has spread unchecked through our cultural landscape, paving
>the way for such dark artists as Al*c* C**p*r and M*r*lyn M*ns*n.
>
>The fact that a Felix doll was the first object successfully transmitted
>via television is only further proof of his satanic importance.
More importantly, where did Felix hide the body of Betty Boop?
Simon Slavin
"Viv" <v...@au.mensa.org> wrote:
> I note that boys and young men in skate/beach clothes seem to have no
> problem with purple clothes going hand in hand with rampant heterosexuality,
> although in the business world a purple business shirt may be uncommon.
>
> So why is purple in modern times a "not serious" colour amongst the
> dress-for-success types, and an "effeminacy" flag for the homophobes? To me
> it does not seem a particularly feminine colour (especially in the darker
> hues).
Because it's dark pink. Or because it goes well with pink
(in a two-tone style). And because it's not taken already
by any well-known political party or minority-group.
Actually I didn't associate purple with the gay community
until I started reading this group. I thought that the
rainbow was the appropriate 'colour' over here in the UK.
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> brigid nelson <irja...@teleport.com> wrote:
> >
> >It seems obvious to me, rather, that Felix was successful. His demonic
> >influence has spread unchecked through our cultural landscape, paving
> >the way for such dark artists as Al*c* C**p*r and M*r*lyn M*ns*n.
> More importantly, where did Felix hide the body of Betty Boop?
Hide? Go back and look at the evidence. Did you ever see Felix
and Betty Boop together in the same cel in the same cartoon?
It should be obvious that they are one and the same. Look at the
eyes, for example.
Charles Wm. Dimmick
(Written on desktop in lecture hall: "Dimmick is the Antichrist")
http://www.physics.ccsu.edu/dimmick.html
"And some rin up hill and down dale, knapping
the chucky stanes to pieces wi' hammers, like
sae mony road-makers run daft -- they say it is
to see how the warld was made!"
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> In article <Pine.NEB.4.10.99090...@panix7.panix.com>,
> Brian Yeoh <by...@panix.com> wrote:
>
> > Felix cattus cattus is the Latin term (cladistic? Linnaean?) for the
> > domestic cat.
>
> Felis Domesticus ?
You are getting closer. Actually it should be _Felis_ _domesticus_
Note trivial name is lower case, and _ _ to indicate italics does
not continue between genus and trivial name. And we owe it all
to Karl Linnaeus, who later became Karl von Linne, and who
is known to science as Carolus Linnaeus.
Charles Wm. "trivia are us" Dimmick
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> Working avec les grenouilles, I see at least one if not more purple shirt
> daily, not to mention pinks. [snippity]
> Neither is pink considered effeminate among
> the traders, as long as it's worn with the proper attitude.
And when I was in high school, the all-time cool colors for he-men
to wear were pink and black.
Charles
Randy Poe
> I seem to remember that there was a lot of hostility displayed towards
> Barney and his alleged effeminacy also. (Never because he was incredibly
> banal and annoying, but because he was "effeminate").
No, it was because he was banal and annoying.
A lot of the anti-Barney stuff I heard was from the
school-age set, various gory substitutions for the
words to "I love you, you love me..."
There was a very nice episode of the Garfield cartoon
involving a purple dinosaur brainwashing and taking
over the world, too.
Randy "watching kid shows? me?" Poe
H Gilmer
> You are getting closer. Actually it should be _Felis_ _domesticus_
> Note trivial name is lower case, and _ _ to indicate italics does
> not continue between genus and trivial name.
Wait. You're picking a nit as to whether or not a *space* is
italicized? How could one tell, anyway?
Hg
Karen J. Cravens
It makes a difference to kerning software, but I was taught that a space
should be italicized between italicized words, and left alone between an
italicized and non-italicized word.
That may, of course, be machine-specific. T(Typesetting)WIAVBP.
Karen "I must confess to not following the rule religiously" Cravens
brigid nelson
> Actually I didn't associate purple with the gay community
> until I started reading this group. I thought that the
> rainbow was the appropriate 'colour' over here in the UK.
>
>
deep purple sweater, exclaiming that it was a ****** color.
brigid
brigid nelson
> More importantly, where did Felix hide the body of Betty Boop?
Oh honey, when you have a body like *that* you just *can't* hide it.
brigid "by the way, I saw them both at the mall - yesterday!" nelson
Charles A. Lieberman
Simon Slavin:[snip]
> > So why is purple in modern times a "not serious" colour...?
[snip]
> And because it's not taken already by any well-known political party or
> minority-group.
At USAn awards shows (of the type seen by a billion people), a pink ribbon
is used for breast cancer the way the red ribbon is used for AIDS.
--
Charles A. Lieberman | "The computers may be Y2K compliant but the people
Brooklyn, NY, USA | may not be." --Allan and Gus
http://members.tripod.com/~calieber/home.html
Judy Johnson
>gil...@io.com (H Gilmer) wrote in <7r16nt$5i0$1...@hiram.io.com>:
>
>>Charles Wm. Dimmick <dim...@ccsu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> You are getting closer. Actually it should be _Felis_ _domesticus_
>>> Note trivial name is lower case, and _ _ to indicate italics does
>>> not continue between genus and trivial name.
>>
>>Wait. You're picking a nit as to whether or not a *space* is
>>italicized? How could one tell, anyway?
>
>It makes a difference to kerning software, but I was taught that a space
>should be italicized between italicized words, and left alone between an
>italicized and non-italicized word.
>
Y'but, back before we crawled out of the primordial ooze and stull
used typewriters, you *underlined* things to indicate italics. I'm
thinking Charles is referring to not underlining the space.
Judy "I'm not thinking very much these days, so read fast" Johnson
Ernie Martsching
his sniffing cocaine as he few to rescue his girlfriend Petunia. If you
watched the frames before the sniffing scenes, you'd see that he had grabbed
a handful of petunias crushed them, and as he flew to rescue her, sniffed
their scent.
BTW, an organization I belong to is so homophobic, they voted to replace our
logo of 53 years with a different one because it was in the shape of a
triangle.
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brigid nelson <irja...@teleport.com> wrote in message
news:37D03A75...@teleport.com...
> Harlequin wrote:
> >
> > >Let me see, Tinky Winky is purple, the same color as the seen on
> > >the homosexual pride flag. Has a triangle, shaped like a
> > >homosexual pride symbol. Carries a purse, even if it called a
> > >magic bag. Yet any connection is purely coincidental.
> >
> > Felix the cat was black, the color of evil, satanism, and
witchcraft. He
> > was a cat, the common form for a witches' familiar and a traditional
symbol of
> > sensuality. He also carried a magic "bag of tricks" to cause harm to any
who
> > opposed him, much as a witch would. His very name means "lucky," which
could
> > have a connection to the arcane world. Yet I don't think anyone ever
accused
> > poor Felix of being a demon from the nether regions... I think it's just
an
> > example of how people can read entirely too much into something if they
are
> > determined enough.
Charles Wm. Dimmick
Right on. This is not nit-picking for the sake of nit-picking, but
rather a result of
a. Having to do taxonomy for the last 35 years using the rules of
the very nit-picking International Commission of Zoological
Nomenclature.
b. Trying to teach others how to follow the rules.
c. Three years of editing a scientific journal.
It doesn't bother me at all that people on usenet don't follow
those rules. They don't have to. But for Judy and me (and
perhaps Ian, although sometimes he makes up his own rules)
and probably Diane, we have this ingrained set of impulses.
Charles
Don Whittington
<dim...@ccsu.edu> wrote:
Even though my publishers accept manuscripts on disc, they still prefer
these MS follow the old rules, and therefore all italicized text is
rendered as underlined text. Rumor has it this relates to union rules
imposed by typesetters fearing for their jobs in the face of technology.
I have no idea if there is any truth to the rumor. I just does what they
asks.
Don "Font of knowledge" Whittington
Phil Edwards
Whittington) wrote:
>Even though my publishers accept manuscripts on disc, they still prefer
>these MS follow the old rules, and therefore all italicized text is
>rendered as underlined text. Rumor has it this relates to union rules
>imposed by typesetters fearing for their jobs in the face of technology.
>I have no idea if there is any truth to the rumor. I just does what they
>asks.
I guess your stuff doesn't have that many footnotes. Shame - in a few
months' time I'll be needing some tips.
Phil "a *separate* *file*?" Edwards
--
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