"What's that, girl? Timmy's fallen into the well?" (was Re: "Lassie" owner sues TV commercial

[Duggy]

On Nov 29, 6:50 am, Bill Steele <w...@cornell.edu> wrote:
> On 11/25/11 3:19 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>
> > In article<jajkbg$4e...@news.albasani.net>, a...@chinet.com wrote:
>
> >>> In J.G. Wentworth's commercial, entitled "Get Help Girl," a mother and
> >>> son sit in a 1950s farmhouse-styled kitchen and are dressed to clearly
> >>> indicate they are from that era. The mother is distressed. "Mom,
> >>> what's wrong?" questions the boy. The mother responds by saying, "Oh,
> >>> Eddie, we've got to come up with some money or we'll lose the ranch."
> >>> The boy is confused. "But mom, don't you get structured settlement
> >>> payments each month?" The mother answers, "I do, son, but the amount I
> >>> get just isn't enough. We need a lump sum of cash to pay it off..."
>
> >> Sounds like parody to me.
>
> > That's the impression I got from the ad.
>
> It's almost a parody of a parody. The "What's that, girl? Timmy's fallen
> into the well?" joke has been used a million times. Just not in places
> where there could be a royalty payment for every showing.

Did "What's that, girl? Timmy's fallen into the well?" ever happen in
Lassie or is it "Just the facts, ma'am" or "Beam me up, Scotty"?

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[Goldenwight]

"Just the facts, ma'am"- I'm pretty sure that Skippy NEVER said that.

[D.F. Manno]

In article
<f36d814e-f8b7-434f...@w1g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,

Duggy <p.allan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Did "What's that, girl? Timmy's fallen into the well?" ever happen in
> Lassie or is it "Just the facts, ma'am" or "Beam me up, Scotty"?

It's a wiki, so take it for what it's worth, but TV Tropes says that in
588 episodes Timmy never fell into a well.

--
D.F. Manno | dfm...@mail.com
I am a kind of paranoiac in reverse. I suspect people of plotting to make
me happy. (J.D. Salinger)

[Duggy]

On Dec 6, 12:00 am, Goldenwight <prostetnic_vo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Just the facts, ma'am"- I'm pretty sure that Skippy NEVER said that.

I'm not sure I'll take your word for that.

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[R H Draney]

Duggy filted:

>
>On Dec 6, 12:00=A0am, Goldenwight <prostetnic_vo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Just the facts, ma'am"- I'm pretty sure that Skippy NEVER said that.
>
>I'm not sure I'll take your word for that.

Joe Friday never said it...it was Stan Freberg who used it in his Dragnet
parodies ("Little Blue Riding Hood", "St George and the Dragonet" and "Christmas
Dragnet") because it sounded like something Joe would say....

Likewise, Kirk never said "Beam me up, Scotty", Rick never said "Play it again,
Sam", Holmes never said "it's always obvious after I explain it to you", and
Howard Beale never said "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any
more!"...

On the other hand, I did find a refutation of one popular misquote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWFaxEkYmSc

....r


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Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.

[R H Draney]

D.F. Manno filted:

>
>In article
><f36d814e-f8b7-434f...@w1g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> Duggy <p.allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Did "What's that, girl? Timmy's fallen into the well?" ever happen in
>> Lassie or is it "Just the facts, ma'am" or "Beam me up, Scotty"?
>
>It's a wiki, so take it for what it's worth, but TV Tropes says that in
>588 episodes Timmy never fell into a well.

Now we need to find out just how close the show *did* get...did Timmy ever fall
in something else?...an abandoned mineshaft, maybe?...or did some other
character, perhaps a guest or one of Lassie's other owners, require rescuing
from a well?...r

[Duggy]

On Dec 7, 4:18 am, "D.F. Manno" <dfma...@mail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <f36d814e-f8b7-434f-b0db-5b46adb20...@w1g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,

>
>  Duggy <p.allan.dug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Did "What's that, girl? Timmy's fallen into the well?" ever happen in
> > Lassie or is it "Just the facts, ma'am" or "Beam me up, Scotty"?
>
> It's a wiki, so take it for what it's worth, but TV Tropes says that in
> 588 episodes Timmy never fell into a well.

Understood. Thanks for that.

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[Lon]

On 12/5/2011 07:00, Goldenwight wrote:
> "Just the facts, ma'am"- I'm pretty sure that Skippy NEVER said that.

I believe this one predates Jack Webb. Before Dragnet, meteorologists
everywhere used the old hot wire machines for receiving and sending
weather maps. The saying really comes from this early era when a
female office assistant asked the forecaster what documents they wanted
to view.

Lon "ya know ya lazy when you don't even post the lousy pun" Stowell

[Lon]

On 12/6/2011 11:18, D.F. Manno wrote:
> In article
> <f36d814e-f8b7-434f...@w1g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> Duggy<p.allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Did "What's that, girl? Timmy's fallen into the well?" ever happen in
>> Lassie or is it "Just the facts, ma'am" or "Beam me up, Scotty"?
>
> It's a wiki, so take it for what it's worth, but TV Tropes says that in
> 588 episodes Timmy never fell into a well.
>

What happened on the 589th episode?

[Charles Wm. Dimmick]

Lassie jumped the shark.

[Duggy]

On Dec 7, 11:13 am, Lon <lon.stow...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > It's a wiki, so take it for what it's worth, but TV Tropes says that in
> > 588 episodes Timmy never fell into a well.
> What happened on the 589th episode?

The poster said that in 588 episodes he never fell down a well. It
may have happened in episode 1, and not in the other 588 episodes...
so in 589 he didn't fall down the well.

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[R H Draney]

Lon filted:

Profit!...r

[Duggy]

On Dec 7, 10:42 am, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> Duggy filted:
> >On Dec 6, 12:00=A0am, Goldenwight <prostetnic_vo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> "Just the facts, ma'am"- I'm pretty sure that Skippy NEVER said that.
> >I'm not sure I'll take your word for that.
> Joe Friday never said it...it was Stan Freberg who used it in his Dragnet
> parodies ("Little Blue Riding Hood", "St George and the Dragonet" and "Christmas
> Dragnet") because it sounded like something Joe would say....

I know. That's why I ref'ed it.

> Likewise, Kirk never said "Beam me up, Scotty",

I know. That's why I ref'ed it.

> Rick never said "Play it again, Sam",

"You played it for her, you can play it for me"/"If she can stand it,
I can! Play it!"

> Holmes never said "it's always obvious after I explain it to you",

Or "Elementary, Dear Watson" in the books.

> and
> Howard Beale never said "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any
> more!"...

"I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take this any more!"

> On the other hand, I did find a refutation of one popular misquote:

>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWFaxEkYmSc

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[Duggy]

On Dec 7, 10:44 am, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> D.F. Manno filted:
>
>
>
> >In article

> ><f36d814e-f8b7-434f-b0db-5b46adb20...@w1g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,

> > Duggy <p.allan.dug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Did "What's that, girl? Timmy's fallen into the well?" ever happen in
> >> Lassie or is it "Just the facts, ma'am" or "Beam me up, Scotty"?
>
> >It's a wiki, so take it for what it's worth, but TV Tropes says that in
> >588 episodes Timmy never fell into a well.
>
> Now we need to find out just how close the show *did* get...did Timmy ever fall
> in something else?...an abandoned mineshaft, maybe?...or did some other
> character, perhaps a guest or one of Lassie's other owners, require rescuing
> from a well?...r

The ref made earlier says:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TimmyInAWell

(Click Live Action TV)

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[Ray]

R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net> wrote:

> Now we need to find out just how close the show *did* get...did
> Timmy ever fall in something else?...an abandoned mineshaft,
> maybe?...or did some other character, perhaps a guest or one of
> Lassie's other owners, require rescuing from a well?...r

In a 1992 episode of The Simpsons, Bart put a radio at the bottom of a
well and pretended to be a boy named Timmy trapped there. Don't know
how far back the Lassie references go, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Bart

--
Ray
(remove the Xs to reply)

[Remysun]

On Dec 7, 3:29 pm, Ray <vortren-ne...@yaxhoo.com.invalid> wrote:

> R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
> > Now we need to find out just how close the show *did* get...did
> > Timmy ever fall in something else?...an abandoned mineshaft,
> > maybe?...or did some other character, perhaps a guest or one of
> > Lassie's other owners, require rescuing from a well?...r
>
> In a 1992 episode of The Simpsons, Bart put a radio at the bottom of a
> well and pretended to be a boy named Timmy trapped there.  Don't know
> how far back the Lassie references go, though.

It's older than that, almost as if it was part of some stand-up
routine reminiscing over the show. It would take the child fallen down
a well incident, made infamous by the highly publicized real life
cases of Kathy Fiscus and Jessica McClure, and state it as a
prototypical Lassie episode. Because typically, yes, Lassie would have
to go fetch help and the adults never dismissed her crazy barking,
indeed carrying it to the point that it was almost a conversation.

Much more likely, Timmy twisted an ankle or slipped into a ravine.
From Wikipedia: "The catchphrase Timmy's in the Well! (in response to
a dog barking) was used by Jon Provost as the title of his
autobiography. He points out that Timmy fell into abandoned mine
shafts, off cliffs, into rivers, lakes and quicksand, but never fell
into a well."

But not only were the rescue operations of children falling into
abandoned wells big news, but the 1987 McClure incident happened when
Nickelodeon reran the 50's show, while the other elements of round the
clock news and stand-up comedy were also becoming cable staples.

Making something up is so much easier than having to actually recall
the plot of an actual episode.

[Duggy]

Oh course the idea was referenced in The Jerk, but I don't think the
name Timmy was used. (Hero and Dickhead was the dog's name.)

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[Charles Wm. Dimmick]

On 12/9/2011 4:13 PM, meh wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:58:35 -0800 (PST), Remysun<remys...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 7, 3:29 pm, Ray<vortren-ne...@yaxhoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> R H Draney<dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Now we need to find out just how close the show *did* get...did
>>>> Timmy ever fall in something else?...an abandoned mineshaft,
>>>> maybe?...or did some other character, perhaps a guest or one of
>>>> Lassie's other owners, require rescuing from a well?...r

> Since the TV show was based on the MOVIES (way earlier, English/Scottish),
> has anyone checked any of the movies for such an incident???

The first movie I ever saw was back in 1943, Lassie Come Home, and there
was definitely no Timmy in the Well scene in that one. The boy's name
was Joe, not Timmy, by the way. Set in Scotland and Yorkshire.

Charles

[Remysun]

On Dec 9, 4:13 pm, meh <y...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:58:35 -0800 (PST), Remysun <remysun2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Dec 7, 3:29 pm, Ray <vortren-ne...@yaxhoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
> >> > Now we need to find out just how close the show *did* get...did
> >> > Timmy ever fall in something else?...an abandoned mineshaft,
> >> > maybe?...or did some other character, perhaps a guest or one of
> >> > Lassie's other owners, require rescuing from a well?...r
>
> >> In a 1992 episode of The Simpsons, Bart put a radio at the bottom of a
> >> well and pretended to be a boy named Timmy trapped there.  Don't know
> >> how far back the Lassie references go, though.
>
> >It's older than that, almost as if it was part of some stand-up
> >routine reminiscing over the show. It would take the child fallen down
> >a well incident, made infamous by the highly publicized real life
> >cases of Kathy Fiscus and Jessica McClure, and state it as a
> >prototypical Lassie episode. Because typically, yes, Lassie would have
> >to go fetch help and the adults never dismissed her crazy barking,
> >indeed carrying it to the point that it was almost a conversation.
>

> Since the TV show was based on the MOVIES (way earlier, English/Scottish),
> has anyone checked any of the movies for such an incident???

Timmy definitely refers to the TV show between 1957-1964.

[Remysun]

On Dec 10, 6:52 am, "Charles Wm. Dimmick" <cdimm...@snet.net> wrote:

> The first movie I ever saw was back in 1943, Lassie Come Home, and there
> was definitely no Timmy in the Well scene in that one. The boy's name
> was Joe, not Timmy, by the way. Set in Scotland and Yorkshire.

[Don Freeman]

And Jeff (Tommy Rettig) was the boy in the first few TV seasons. But
his character was not dumb enough to fall in any wells. I stopped
watching the show with he left and the Jon Provost era started. It was
too juvenile even for me, even though I was only 8 at the time.

TMI Dept: The actor who played the boy in the 1943 movie was none other
then Roddy McDowall.




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[R H Draney]

Don Freeman filted:

>
>On 12/10/2011 3:52 AM, Charles Wm. Dimmick wrote:
>>
>> The first movie I ever saw was back in 1943, Lassie Come Home, and there
>> was definitely no Timmy in the Well scene in that one. The boy's name
>> was Joe, not Timmy, by the way. Set in Scotland and Yorkshire.
>

>And Jeff (Tommy Rettig) was the boy in the first few TV seasons. But
>his character was not dumb enough to fall in any wells. I stopped
>watching the show with he left and the Jon Provost era started. It was
>too juvenile even for me, even though I was only 8 at the time.
>
>TMI Dept: The actor who played the boy in the 1943 movie was none other
>then Roddy McDowall.

Even more TMI Dept: Tommy Rettig was the star of "The 5,000 Fingers of Dr T", a
Dr Seuss-written fantasy that may have inspired an entire generation to take up
drugs...Hans Conreid as the titular Doctor alone, as he gets dressed up for the
big recital, is enough to warp young minds for life....r

[Charles Bishop]

In article <dfmanno-FD7D95...@news.albasani.net>, "D.F. Manno"

<dfm...@mail.com> wrote:

>In article
><f36d814e-f8b7-434f...@w1g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> Duggy <p.allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Did "What's that, girl? Timmy's fallen into the well?" ever happen in
>> Lassie or is it "Just the facts, ma'am" or "Beam me up, Scotty"?
>
>It's a wiki, so take it for what it's worth, but TV Tropes says that in
>588 episodes Timmy never fell into a well.

Is there a "first instance" usage mentioned?

--
charles

[Charles Bishop]

In article <jbmcs...@drn.newsguy.com>, R H Draney

Or did Timmy's mother or [who was the older gent-uncle, grandad?] ever say
"Well, well, Lassie . . ."?

--
charles

[Charles Bishop]

In article <jbmco...@drn.newsguy.com>, R H Draney

<dado...@spamcop.net> wrote:

>Duggy filted:
>>
>>On Dec 6, 12:00=A0am, Goldenwight <prostetnic_vo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Just the facts, ma'am"- I'm pretty sure that Skippy NEVER said that.
>>
>>I'm not sure I'll take your word for that.
>
>Joe Friday never said it...it was Stan Freberg who used it in his Dragnet
>parodies ("Little Blue Riding Hood", "St George and the Dragonet" and
"Christmas
>Dragnet") because it sounded like something Joe would say....
>
>Likewise, Kirk never said "Beam me up, Scotty", Rick never said "Play it again,
>Sam", Holmes never said "it's always obvious after I explain it to you", and
>Howard Beale never said "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any
>more!"...

I think Howard Beale did say that. Unless "it" was "this" maybe.


--
charles, though asking others to say it, bishop

[Charles Bishop]

In article
<d5479133-f82e-4d08...@p16g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, Duggy
<Paul....@jcu.edu.au> wrote:

>On Dec 7, 10:42=A0am, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>> Duggy filted:

>> >On Dec 6, 12:00=3DA0am, Goldenwight <prostetnic_vo...@hotmail.com> wrote=

>:
>> >> "Just the facts, ma'am"- I'm pretty sure that Skippy NEVER said that.
>> >I'm not sure I'll take your word for that.
>> Joe Friday never said it...it was Stan Freberg who used it in his Dragnet

>> parodies ("Little Blue Riding Hood", "St George and the Dragonet" and "Ch=

>ristmas
>> Dragnet") because it sounded like something Joe would say....
>
>I know. That's why I ref'ed it.
>
>> Likewise, Kirk never said "Beam me up, Scotty",
>
>I know. That's why I ref'ed it.
>
>> Rick never said "Play it again, Sam",
>
>"You played it for her, you can play it for me"/"If she can stand it,
>I can! Play it!"
>
>> Holmes never said "it's always obvious after I explain it to you",
>
>Or "Elementary, Dear Watson" in the books.

If a screenwriter had Holmes saying this in a movie, would it mean that
Holmes said it, or would it count only if it was in the canon?

>
>> and
>> Howard Beale never said "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any
>> more!"...
>
>"I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take this any more!"

Ah, I need to apologize to RH.

--
charles

[R H Draney]

Charles Bishop filted:

That, and "I'm mad as hell" was "I'm *as* mad as hell"....

However, the misquoting started right there in the movie with the montage of
ordinary citizens immediately saying it wrong as they screamed out their
windows....r

[R H Draney]

Charles Bishop filted:

Listen, I'm still trying with little success to find a non-trope-referencing
instance of a movie African-American saying "feets, don't fail me now" before
running away in terror...leads I've hunted down already have shown me that it
*wasn't* Mantan Moreland in the Charlie Chan movie "Shanghai Cobra", and it
wasn't Willie Best in "The Ghost Breakers"....r

[Charles Wm. Dimmick]

I want to say that I heard something similar in "A Day at the Races",
but that may be my aging mind conflating two different events. And
Google search tells me it was Willie Best. Are you telling me that
FunTrivia.com is wrong?

http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question78477.html

see also:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feets,_Don%27t_Fail_Me_Now_%28disambiguation%29>

Someone should check out Stepin Fetchit in "The Ghost Talks". I don't
have a copy readily available, but that also rings a bell.

charles

[R H Draney]

Charles Wm. Dimmick filted:

>
>On 1/1/2012 2:29 PM, R H Draney wrote:
>>
>> Listen, I'm still trying with little success to find a non-trope-referencing
>> instance of a movie African-American saying "feets, don't fail me now" before
>> running away in terror...leads I've hunted down already have shown me that it
>> *wasn't* Mantan Moreland in the Charlie Chan movie "Shanghai Cobra", and it
>> wasn't Willie Best in "The Ghost Breakers"....r
>>
>I want to say that I heard something similar in "A Day at the Races",
>but that may be my aging mind conflating two different events. And
>Google search tells me it was Willie Best. Are you telling me that
>FunTrivia.com is wrong?
>
>http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question78477.html

Yep...I watched the whole movie waiting for the line or anything close to
it...Best played one of the bravest African-American second bananas I've ever
seen in a Hollywood comedy from that era, and if he'd uttered the line it would
have been wildly out of character (not to mention that he wouldn't have been
likely to say "feets")....

>see also:
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feets,_Don%27t_Fail_Me_Now_%28disambiguation%29>
>
>Someone should check out Stepin Fetchit in "The Ghost Talks". I don't
>have a copy readily available, but that also rings a bell.

I'll look for it....r

[bil...@wildblue.net]

Okay, I'm old. I remember "feets, don't fail me now," and Stepin Fetchit, rings a bell. But he could have been a dead ringer for his brother.

[Nasti J]

On Jan 1, 7:24 pm, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:

> I'll look for it....r

attached clip has a different version: http://youtu.be/Pn7JkR9_X8s

[Duggy]

On Jan 2, 3:42 am, ctbis...@earthlink.net (Charles Bishop) wrote:

> >> Holmes never said "it's always obvious after I explain it to you",
> >Or "Elementary, Dear Watson" in the books.
> If a screenwriter had Holmes saying this in a movie,

And they have, repeatedly.

> would it mean that
> Holmes said it, or would it count only if it was in the canon?

Depends I guess what the claim is.

"Holmes never said 'Elementary, Dear Watson'" is untrue, because he
did in a number of films. That's why I added "in the books"

> >> and
> >> Howard Beale never said "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any
> >> more!"...
> >"I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take this any more!"
> Ah, I need to apologize to RH.

I didn't believe him so I grabbed my copy of the film... he was right.

Or rather, the main time he says it. I didn't rewatch the entire film
with a notebook.

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[Duggy]

On Jan 2, 5:26 am, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> Charles Bishop filted:
>
>
>

> >In article <jbmcoo01...@drn.newsguy.com>, R H Draney

> ><dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
> >>Howard Beale never said "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any
> >>more!"...
>
> >I think Howard Beale did say that. Unless "it" was "this" maybe.
>
> That, and "I'm mad as hell" was "I'm *as* mad as hell"....
>
> However, the misquoting started right there in the movie with the montage of
> ordinary citizens immediately saying it wrong as they screamed out their
> windows....r

Which is strange... that random strangers would all misquote it the
same way.

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[Duggy]

On Jan 2, 3:33 am, ctbis...@earthlink.net (Charles Bishop) wrote:
> In article <dfmanno-FD7D95.13185706122...@news.albasani.net>, "D.F. Manno"

>
> <dfma...@mail.com> wrote:
> >In article
> ><f36d814e-f8b7-434f-b0db-5b46adb20...@w1g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,

> > Duggy <p.allan.dug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Did "What's that, girl? Timmy's fallen into the well?" ever happen in
> >> Lassie or is it "Just the facts, ma'am" or "Beam me up, Scotty"?
>
> >It's a wiki, so take it for what it's worth, but TV Tropes says that in
> >588 episodes Timmy never fell into a well.
>
> Is there a "first instance" usage mentioned?

Not that I could see.

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[Duggy]

On Jan 2, 8:44 am, "Charles Wm. Dimmick" <cdimm...@snet.net> wrote:
> On 1/1/2012 2:29 PM, R H Draney wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Charles Bishop filted:
>

> >> In article<dfmanno-FD7D95.13185706122...@news.albasani.net>, "D.F. Manno"
> >> <dfma...@mail.com>  wrote:

>
> >>> It's a wiki, so take it for what it's worth, but TV Tropes says that in
> >>> 588 episodes Timmy never fell into a well.
>
> >> Is there a "first instance" usage mentioned?
>
> > Listen, I'm still trying with little success to find a non-trope-referencing
> > instance of a movie African-American saying "feets, don't fail me now" before
> > running away in terror...leads I've hunted down already have shown me that it
> > *wasn't* Mantan Moreland in the Charlie Chan movie "Shanghai Cobra", and it
> > wasn't Willie Best in "The Ghost Breakers"....r
>
> I want to say that I heard something similar in "A Day at the Races",
> but that may be my aging mind conflating two different events. And
> Google search tells me it was Willie Best. Are you telling me that
> FunTrivia.com is wrong?
>
> http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question78477.html

I'm beginning to hate random trivia sites for they blind acceptance
and adding of just about anything and the blind quoting of them to
spread it further.

> see also:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feets,_Don%27t_Fail_Me_Now_%28disambigua...>

That link (which is unsupported by citations) says it originated in
vaudeville.
It may by impossible to find a true non-trope source.

> Someone should check out Stepin Fetchit in "The Ghost Talks". I don't
> have a copy readily available, but that also rings a bell.

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[danny burstein]

[snippeth]

>> >I think Howard Beale did say that. Unless "it" was "this" maybe.
>>
>> That, and "I'm mad as hell" was "I'm *as* mad as hell"....
>>

>> However, the misquoting started right there in the movie with the montage=

> of
>> ordinary citizens immediately saying it wrong as they screamed out their
>> windows....r

>Which is strange... that random strangers would all misquote it the
>same way.

We saw the same phenomena, da, da, da da da..

We saw the same type of event when Neil Armstrong
walked his suited self onto the Luna surface.

He's certain he said "One small step for _a_ man",
but everyone listening just heard "One small step for man".

Amazingly enough, even when contemporary folk listen
to audio tapes of the radio transmission, they still
don't hear the "a"...

--
_____________________________________________________
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
dan...@panix.com
[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

[R H Draney]

Duggy filted:

>
>On Jan 2, 5:26=A0am, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>> Charles Bishop filted:
>>
>>
>>
>> >In article <jbmcoo01...@drn.newsguy.com>, R H Draney
>> ><dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>

>> >>Howard Beale never said "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it a=

>ny
>> >>more!"...
>>
>> >I think Howard Beale did say that. Unless "it" was "this" maybe.
>>
>> That, and "I'm mad as hell" was "I'm *as* mad as hell"....
>>

>> However, the misquoting started right there in the movie with the montage=

> of
>> ordinary citizens immediately saying it wrong as they screamed out their
>> windows....r
>
>Which is strange... that random strangers would all misquote it the
>same way.

Perhaps they all listen to Fox News....r

[Lon]

On 1/2/2012 01:56, danny burstein wrote:
> [snippeth]
>
>>>> I think Howard Beale did say that. Unless "it" was "this" maybe.
>>>
>>> That, and "I'm mad as hell" was "I'm *as* mad as hell"....
>>>
>>> However, the misquoting started right there in the movie with the montage=
>> of
>>> ordinary citizens immediately saying it wrong as they screamed out their
>>> windows....r
>
>> Which is strange... that random strangers would all misquote it the
>> same way.
>
> We saw the same phenomena, da, da, da da da..
>
> We saw the same type of event when Neil Armstrong
> walked his suited self onto the Luna surface.
>
> He's certain he said "One small step for _a_ man",
> but everyone listening just heard "One small step for man".
>
> Amazingly enough, even when contemporary folk listen
> to audio tapes of the radio transmission, they still
> don't hear the "a"...
>

Didn't he really say something about how it stuck to his boot/foot?

Are we quibbling about what was said at various points on the ladder,
and as he stepped onto the surface itself?

[Duggy]

On Jan 2, 6:56 pm, danny burstein <dan...@panix.com> wrote:
> [snippeth]
>
> >> >I think Howard Beale did say that. Unless "it" was "this" maybe.
>
> >> That, and "I'm mad as hell" was "I'm *as* mad as hell"....
>
> >> However, the misquoting started right there in the movie with the montage=
> > of
> >> ordinary citizens immediately saying it wrong as they screamed out their
> >> windows....r
> >Which is strange... that random strangers would all misquote it the
> >same way.
>
> We saw the same phenomena, da, da, da da da..
>
> We saw the same type of event when Neil Armstrong
> walked his suited self onto the Luna surface.
>
> He's certain he said "One small step for _a_ man",
> but everyone listening just heard "One small step for man".

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/onesmall.asp

He was sure he said "a" until he heard the playback.

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[LindaY]

> Did "What's that, girl? Timmy's fallen into the well?" ever happen in
> Lassie or is it "Just the facts, ma'am" or "Beam me up, Scotty"?

Check here:

http://www.lassieweb.org/lassfaq.htm#well

Timmy never fell in a well (nor did Jeff). The only major character on
LASSIE who ever fell into an actual well was...Lassie! She fell into
an abandoned one in "Well of Love" and the humans had to rescue her.

Linda

[Duggy]

"What's that Timmy? Lassie's fallen into the well?"

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[D.F. Manno]

In article
<ctbishop-010...@global-66-81-252-196.dialup.o1.com>,
ctbi...@earthlink.net (Charles Bishop) wrote:

> D.F. Manno <dfm...@mail.com> wrote:
> > Duggy <p.allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Did "What's that, girl? Timmy's fallen into the well?" ever happen in
> >> Lassie or is it "Just the facts, ma'am" or "Beam me up, Scotty"?
> >
> >It's a wiki, so take it for what it's worth, but TV Tropes says that in
> >588 episodes Timmy never fell into a well.
>
> Is there a "first instance" usage mentioned?

Not that I can see.

Here are the two pages that reference the "Timmy in a well" trope:

<http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CommonKnowledge>
<http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TimmyInAWell>

--
D.F. Manno | dfm...@mail.com
I am a kind of paranoiac in reverse. I suspect people of plotting to make
me happy. (J.D. Salinger)

[Duggy]

On Jan 4, 8:05 am, "D.F. Manno" <dfma...@mail.com> wrote:
> In article

> <ctbishop-0101120933390...@global-66-81-252-196.dialup.o1.com>,
>  ctbis...@earthlink.net (Charles Bishop) wrote:
>
> > D.F. Manno <dfma...@mail.com> wrote:

> > > Duggy <p.allan.dug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Did "What's that, girl? Timmy's fallen into the well?" ever happen in
> > >> Lassie or is it "Just the facts, ma'am" or "Beam me up, Scotty"?
>
> > >It's a wiki, so take it for what it's worth, but TV Tropes says that in
> > >588 episodes Timmy never fell into a well.
>
> > Is there a "first instance" usage mentioned?
>
> Not that I can see.
>
> Here are the two pages that reference the "Timmy in a well" trope:
>
> <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CommonKnowledge>
> <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TimmyInAWell>

Also:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BeamMeUpScotty

With a similiar null-value result field.

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[abzorba]

On Dec 7 2011, 11:02 am, Duggy <Paul.Dug...@jcu.edu.au> wrote:

> On Dec 6, 12:00 am, Goldenwight <prostetnic_vo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Just the facts, ma'am"- I'm pretty sure that Skippy NEVER said that.
>
> I'm not sure I'll take your word for that.
>

Attention: Duggy

Citizens for Uniting Netgroup Themes Society
#Incident 1097
Memo:

Our society was established to promote the rational allotment of
newsgroup contributions to their appropriate group. We have recently
come across your post here, and determined that it belongs in another
group.

Could you please move it to:

http://groups.google.com/group/noonegivesratsarse

Thanking you in advance,

Myles Paulsen

President,
Citizens for Uniting Netgroup Themes Society

[Duggy]

On Jan 10, 11:55 am, abzorba <myles...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On Dec 7 2011, 11:02 am, Duggy <Paul.Dug...@jcu.edu.au> wrote:> On Dec 6, 12:00 am, Goldenwight <prostetnic_vo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Just the facts, ma'am"- I'm pretty sure that Skippy NEVER said that.
>
> > I'm not sure I'll take your word for that.
>
> Attention: Duggy
>
> Citizens for Uniting Netgroup Themes Society
> #Incident 1097
> Memo:
>
> Our society was established to promote the rational allotment of
> newsgroup contributions to their appropriate group. We have recently
> come across your post here, and determined that it belongs in another
> group.
>
> Could you please move it to:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/noonegivesratsarse

Do one gives a Myles Paulsen?

Why does that group even exist?

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[David DeLaney]

Because some people did not give a rat's arse SO HARD that their brain lobes'
clapping brought to life the particular species of internet fairy whose
existence is specifically aimed towards creating Usenet groups through Google,
silly!

Dave "this isn't rocket surgery" DeLaney
--
\/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

[Charles Bishop]

In article <jdqc6...@drn.newsguy.com>, R H Draney

If it helps, I've seen the same thing in a movie: A black person saying
fdfmk before running away.

charles, probably doesn't help as much as I thought, bishop

[Charles Bishop]

In article
<0455074e-8cf2-4a7c...@d9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, LindaY

So, who came running up to Timmy and told him that Lassie had fallen into
the well? With any luck it was a mute person and they had to resort to
mime to get the idea across.

"Five words? 1st word . . . drink? alcohol?, beer? rum? scotch? Ok. girl?
Scotch girl? lassie? 2nd word?"

--
charles

[Nasti J]

On Jan 13, 12:11 pm, ctbis...@earthlink.net (Charles Bishop) wrote:

> "Five words? 1st word . . . drink? alcohol?, beer? rum? scotch? Ok. girl?
> Scotch girl? lassie? 2nd word?"

sed-a-GIVE?

[R H Draney]

Nasti J filted:

First literal LOL of 2012....r

[Charles Bishop]

In article
<34425353-e444-4a6c...@t13g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, Nasti
J <njgi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry, but I'm whooshed.

--
charles, and not for the first time, bishop

[David DeLaney]

Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Nasti J <njgi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Jan 13, 12:11=A0pm, ctbis...@earthlink.net (Charles Bishop) wrote:
>>> "Five words? 1st word . . . drink? alcohol?, beer? rum? scotch? Ok. girl?
>>> Scotch girl? lassie? 2nd word?"
>>
>>sed-a-GIVE?
>
>Sorry, but I'm whooshed.

"... what hump?"

Dave "there." "What?" "there. there reference." DeLaney

[R H Draney]

David DeLaney filted:

>
>Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>Nasti J <njgi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Jan 13, 12:11=A0pm, ctbis...@earthlink.net (Charles Bishop) wrote:
>>>> "Five words? 1st word . . . drink? alcohol?, beer? rum? scotch? Ok. girl?
>>>> Scotch girl? lassie? 2nd word?"
>>>
>>>sed-a-GIVE?
>>
>>Sorry, but I'm whooshed.
>
>"... what hump?"
>
>Dave "there." "What?" "there. there reference." DeLaney

"You take the blonde, I'll take the one in the turban!"...r

[Nasti J]

On Jan 17, 3:04 am, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> David DeLaney filted:
>
>
>

> >Charles Bishop <ctbis...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> >>Nasti J <njgill...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>On Jan 13, 12:11=A0pm, ctbis...@earthlink.net (Charles Bishop) wrote:
> >>>> "Five words? 1st word . . . drink? alcohol?, beer? rum? scotch? Ok. girl?
> >>>> Scotch girl? lassie? 2nd word?"
>
> >>>sed-a-GIVE?
>
> >>Sorry, but I'm whooshed.
>
> >"... what hump?"
>
> >Dave "there." "What?" "there. there reference." DeLaney
>
> "You take the blonde, I'll take the one in the turban!"...r

"YES. YES. Say it. He vas my... BOYFRIEND."

[R H Draney]

Nasti J filted:

>
>On Jan 17, 3:04=A0am, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>> David DeLaney filted:
>>
>>
>>
>> >Charles Bishop <ctbis...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >>Nasti J <njgill...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >>>On Jan 13, 12:11=3DA0pm, ctbis...@earthlink.net (Charles Bishop) wrote=
>:
>> >>>> "Five words? 1st word . . . drink? alcohol?, beer? rum? scotch? Ok. =

>girl?
>> >>>> Scotch girl? lassie? 2nd word?"
>>
>> >>>sed-a-GIVE?
>>
>> >>Sorry, but I'm whooshed.
>>
>> >"... what hump?"
>>
>> >Dave "there." "What?" "there. there reference." DeLaney
>>
>> "You take the blonde, I'll take the one in the turban!"...r
>
>
>"YES. YES. Say it. He vas my... BOYFRIEND."

"Put. Ze kendell. Beck!"

....r

[Charles Bishop]

In article <slrnjh907...@gatekeeper.vic.com>, d...@vic.com wrote:

>Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>Nasti J <njgi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Jan 13, 12:11=A0pm, ctbis...@earthlink.net (Charles Bishop) wrote:
>>>> "Five words? 1st word . . . drink? alcohol?, beer? rum? scotch? Ok. girl?
>>>> Scotch girl? lassie? 2nd word?"
>>>
>>>sed-a-GIVE?
>>
>>Sorry, but I'm whooshed.
>
>"... what hump?"
>
>Dave "there." "What?" "there. there reference." DeLaney

I just recently watched Young F., but didn't recognize the sed-a-GIVE
ref. Is that where it's from. And, if you're so inclined, how would it tie
into my poor attempt at humor?

--
charles

[Tim McDaniel]

In article <ctbishop-260...@global-66-81-246-127.dialup.o1.com>,

Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>In article <slrnjh907...@gatekeeper.vic.com>, d...@vic.com wrote:
>
>>Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>Nasti J <njgi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>On Jan 13, 12:11=A0pm, ctbis...@earthlink.net (Charles Bishop) wrote:
>>>>> "Five words? 1st word . . . drink? alcohol?, beer? rum? scotch? Ok. girl?
>>>>> Scotch girl? lassie? 2nd word?"
>>>>
>>>>sed-a-GIVE?
>>>
>>>Sorry, but I'm whooshed.
>>
>>"... what hump?"
>>
>>Dave "there." "What?" "there. there reference." DeLaney
>
>I just recently watched Young F., but didn't recognize the sed-a-GIVE
>ref. Is that where it's from.

Yes. I'm surprised that Google doesn't give more hits. Or that you
didn't remember, as it's one of the famous scenes.

>And, if you're so inclined, how would it tie into my poor attempt at
>humor?

*blink* You give an example of charades ("Five words?" ...) with a
being that is unable to communicate, in that case because it's a dog.
The reply is an example of charades ("'Set a give'?") with a being
that is unable to communicate, in that case because he was getting the
living shit choked out of him by the monster at the moment. (The
young doctor was being choked in the presence of Igor and the
fraulein, as best I recall. The on-lookers were looking on in horror
but doing nothing, so the doctor tried using charades to communicate
what he thought would get him free and subdue the monster.)

--
Tim McDaniel, tm...@panix.com

[Lon]

Thought it was seda-give. Think charades.

Obligatory Proclamation: One can never watch too much Young Frankenstein.

Its twue its twue!

[Nasti J]

On Jan 26, 6:22 pm, Lon <lon.stow...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Its twue its twue!

Shut up, you Teutonic twat!

[Lee Ayrton]

On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:22:10 -0700, Lon wrote:


>> I just recently watched Young F., but didn't recognize the sed-a-GIVE
>> ref. Is that where it's from. And, if you're so inclined, how would it
>> tie into my poor attempt at humor?
>>
> Thought it was seda-give. Think charades.
>
> Obligatory Proclamation: One can never watch too much Young
> Frankenstein.

Agreed.

"Put zee candle ... bakk!" Is a frequent semi-sequitur in my circle of
cow orkers.


> Its twue its twue!

Ya know, the line "They lose me right after the "bunker" scene" came to
mind just the other day. I was eavesdropping on a clot of extras talking
about how many days of work they had left.

[R H Draney]

Lee Ayrton filted:

>
>"Put zee candle ... bakk!" Is a frequent semi-sequitur in my circle of
>cow orkers.

From the more serious treatments of the same original subject, shouting "give my
creation <long beat> LIFE!" is popular in my line of work when firing up a new
or greatly-altered program for the first time....r

[Michael Black]

Funny, the only time I've had a chance to use a line from that movie is
when I came upon a loveable hunchback outside a small theatre venue, I was
never sure if she was an actor in the show, or part of the audience. I
said "we can fix that for you" and she didn't get the line.

Michael

[R H Draney]

Michael Black filted:

Really?...you've never been able to work "you just made a yummy sound" into
conversation?...or "what knockers!"?...or "pardon me boy, is this the
Transylvania station?"?..."fire is good; fire is our friend"?..."could be worse;
could be raining"?...r