Barbie Doll 's Body Measurements
R.Swenson
Looking at the latest ad for a Barbie Doll :"Bob Mackie's Moon
Goddess Barbie (She's Heavenly): a collectors doll for $200. (+ or -)
........and it made me think about the item I read once concerning the
bad press Barbie gets from Mother's who say the doll is a bad thing
to buy for young girls who view the Barbie doll as the way most men
and women want the average American woman to look ; a most desirable
but impossible figure (in most cases) to imitate.
With her tall,slim body,blond hair,blue eyes,super long perfect legs
and full breasts she is a man's fantacy sexual partner. . . . .if she
were real,instead of flesh colored plastic. Some have said that if
she were a real woman ,Barbie would be six feet tall and have 37D cup
size breasts, 34 inch waist and 36 inch hips.
Are these measurements correct? What have you read? Or do you
care?
Gamara II Dragon
r.sw...@hotmail.com ( R.Swenson) wrote:
>With her tall,slim body,blond hair,blue eyes,super long perfect legs
>and full breasts she is a man's fantacy sexual partner. . . . .if she
>were real,instead of flesh colored plastic. Some have said that if
[snip]
For some men, Barbie is their fantacy sexual partner. period.
Gamara II Dragon
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R.Swenson
r.sw...@hotmail.com ( R.Swenson) wrote:
>were real,instead of flesh colored plastic. Some have said that if
>she were a real woman ,Barbie would be six feet tall and have 37D cup
>size breasts, 34 inch waist and 36 inch hips.
> Are these measurements correct? What have you read? Or do you
>care?
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Oops ! I should have typed : 37D x 24 x 36 inches !
R.Swenson
Philo
r.sw...@hotmail.com ( R.Swenson) wrote:
>were real,instead of flesh colored plastic. Some have said that if
>she were a real woman ,Barbie would be six feet tall and have 37D cup
>size breasts, 34 inch waist and 36 inch hips.
I've never understood how they get the 6' height. I woulda thought
that while scaling the doll up to life size, the height is how you
know when to stop (IOW, make her 5'8, and multiply the rest of the
measurements to match).
Incidentally, though it's somewhat rare, there's nothing unhealthy
about 37D-24-36. Cites I've seen (FOAF) have been along the lines of
FF cup and 20 inch waist, which IS a very unhealthy goal.
Philo "bet she pays a fortune for plastic shampoo" NLN
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In article <5bdrkg$1...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, R. Swenson
<rswenson@ hotmail.com> wrote:
>With her tall,slim body,blond hair,blue eyes,super long perfect legs
>and full breasts she is a man's fantacy sexual partner. . . . .if she
>were real,instead of flesh colored plastic. Some have said that if
>she were a real woman ,Barbie would be six feet tall and have 37D cup
>size breasts, 34 inch waist and 36 inch hips.
>
> Are these measurements correct? What have you read? Or do you
>care?
For what it's worth, I never found Barbie all that attractive. Now,
Ariel from "The Little Mermaid," on the other hand . . .
As to Barbie's proportions, I always assumed that the distortions
were an artifact of the fact that "real"-looking models of things
don't always preserve their proportions when you make toys to
represent them. And I have therefore just chalked this up to the
antics of just another singular vocal group "discovering" evidence of
sinister intent in something relatively innocent. (If you consider
a marketing empire based on suckering little children to be
capable of being "innocent" in any sense.)
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Gamara II Dragon <Gam...@geocities.com> wrote:
> For some men, Barbie is their fantacy sexual partner.
Yup, and I'm married to all of them.
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Ian Munro
R.Swenson (r.sw...@hotmail.com) wrote:
[re: blowing up Barbie]
: Some have said that if
: she were a real woman ,Barbie would be six feet tall and have 37D cup
: size breasts, 34 inch waist and 36 inch hips.
The usual figures cited are much more extreme than this; I can't remember
the numbers, but it would be impossible without extracting several ribs
and using them to cantilever the breasts. However, as Ted Frank (I think)
pointed out here some time ago, these measurements don't take Barbie's
clothes into account. Measure her with her clothes on, and her
measurements are perhaps humanly possible.
Ian "except, of course, for the eyes" Munro
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John Clarke Mccanless
R.Swenson <rswenson@ hotmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
> Some have said that if
>she were a real woman ,Barbie would be six feet tall and have 37D cup
>size breasts, 34 inch waist and 36 inch hips.
>
>care?
Those measurements are not at all impossible, and in fact wouldn't be
all that attractive, probably; the version I heard was that that her
measurements would be something like 44-14-36 : a true wasp-waist.
But anyway, no, I guess I don't really much care.
John "It's Ken who should worry about what his measurements would be"
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will...@netcom.com
Philo (ph...@radix.net) wrote:
: r.sw...@hotmail.com ( R.Swenson) wrote:
: >were real,instead of flesh colored plastic. Some have said that if
: >she were a real woman ,Barbie would be six feet tall and have 37D cup
: >size breasts, 34 inch waist and 36 inch hips.
: I've never understood how they get the 6' height. I woulda thought
: that while scaling the doll up to life size, the height is how you
: know when to stop (IOW, make her 5'8, and multiply the rest of the
: measurements to match).
: Incidentally, though it's somewhat rare, there's nothing unhealthy
: about 37D-24-36. Cites I've seen (FOAF) have been along the lines of
: FF cup and 20 inch waist, which IS a very unhealthy goal.
Not that I was assigned to the project, darn it, but I would think you
could estimate B.'s height by using some standard sized accessory, such
as a Nissan 300ZX.
HTH,
Wm
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Ted Frank
In article <5bgt4l$k...@decaxp.harvard.edu>,
Ian Munro <imu...@fas2.fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
> However, as Ted Frank (I think)
>pointed out here some time ago, these measurements don't take Barbie's
>clothes into account.
I take credit for the investigations into the Cock Ring Ken, the Barbie
Liberation Organization (which, previously unbeknownst to me, consists of
FOAFs), and Malibu Stacy. I'll have to disclaim any knowledge about
measuring Barbie with or without clothes.
Couldn't find it on Dejanews, either.
Ted "mmmm... point seven waist-to-hips ratio" Frank
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>I think you all need to *look* at a Barbie. I don't see any comic
>book proportions there...
I don't know what Barbie you are looking at (or who you are dating)
but the doll is a bit on the extreme side. However, the point here
in MY estimation is *a bit* extreme. And certainly less extreme
then the comic book heroines you mention. The people who complain
also fail to take into account a little girl's imagination. During
*my* Barbie phase, back in the early 60s, I had her driving my
brother's bulldozer as often as putting on the frilly dresses.
(Anyone else remember/have the one with the wigs? She had a better
butch then my brother's GI Joe -- and could fit into the uniform!)
(I haven't seen many men that look like action figures either.)
Simon Slavin
In article <32e779c4...@news1.radix.net>,
ph...@radix.net (Philo) wrote:
> r.sw...@hotmail.com ( R.Swenson) wrote:
>
> >were real,instead of flesh colored plastic. Some have said that if
> >she were a real woman ,Barbie would be six feet tall and have 37D cup
> >size breasts, [24] inch waist and 36 inch hips.
>
> I've never understood how they get the 6' height. I woulda thought
> that while scaling the doll up to life size, the height is how you
> know when to stop (IOW, make her 5'8, and multiply the rest of the
> measurements to match).
They get the six foot height by comparing Barbie to her accessories.
In the design-sheet used by Mattel, there are descriptions of how
Barbie really /can/ move (i.e. freedom of movements of each of her
joints, how flexible the plastic is, etc.) and how she'd be able to
move if she were real. I don't recall the vital statistics, but I'll
believe 37-24-36.
> Incidentally, though it's somewhat rare, there's nothing unhealthy
> about 37D-24-36.
There's a girl (woman, now, I suppose) from London who makes her
living imitating Barbie. She works on the Mattel stand at toy
industry shows and makes a few appearences opening playschools and
toy shops. She looks very like Barbie, appears to have proportions
very like hers, and is, in make-up at least, good looking. On the
down-side, she's instantly recognisable as a doll -- the hair-style
looks a little odd on a human, as though she's just stepped out of
the 1960s.
Above information from a BBC2 programme celebrating Barbie's (30th?)
anniversary. If you think that having small girls wanting to look
like Barbie is bad, consider the alternatives: Barney ?
Simon "Lo, kern bra fallout ! Aberrant full look." Slavin.
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Elizabeth Jones
>the numbers, but it would be impossible without extracting several ribs
>pointed out here some time ago, these measurements don't take Barbie's
>measurements are perhaps humanly possible.
>
Hasn't anyone besides me noticed the uncanny similarity between
Barbie and actress/dancer Vera Ellen, as she trips the light fantastic
in the movie White Christmas?
Ebeth "the old Barbie, who had style & class, not the current model" Jones
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Charles Lieberman
In <5bdrkg$1...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> did R.Swenson
(r.sw...@hotmail.com) decree:
> With her tall,slim body,blond hair,blue eyes,super long perfect legs
> and full breasts she is a [straight] man's fantacy sexual partner. . . . .if
> she were real,instead of flesh colored plastic. Some have said that if
Not mine, particularly
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Ian Munro <imu...@fas2.fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
: R.Swenson (r.sw...@hotmail.com) wrote:
: The usual figures cited are much more extreme than this; I can't remember
: the numbers, but it would be impossible without extracting several ribs
: and using them to cantilever the breasts.
I think you all need to *look* at a Barbie. I don't see any comic
book proportions there...
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will...@netcom.com wrote in article <william1E...@netcom.com>...
> Not that I was assigned to the project, darn it, but I would think you
> could estimate B.'s height by using some standard sized accessory, such
> as a Nissan 300ZX.
> HTH,
> Wm
Are those accessories even to scale with each other? For example, is the
Nissan to scale with the corvette? Also, could someone who has a barbie
and at least one such accessory please post the measurements of that doll
and that accessory so that someone who has access to a real world
equivalent to the accessory can take the measurements so someone can do the
calculations to find the measurements for a 5'8" Barbie?
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In article <kctd...@kirk.demon.co.uk>, Ewan Kirk
<ewanREMOVE_T...@kirk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In Article <5behqg$9...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Gamara II Dragon
>writes:
>>
>>For some men, Barbie is their fantacy sexual partner. period.
>>
>
>As far as I know, Barbie does not endure the lunar tempest.
More importantly, neither does she unleash it. It's men who endure it.
>Ewan "not tonight Ken" Kirk.
Now, Ken-- there's a girl's fantasy partner.
Just keeps on smiling and standing there silently,
while she tries on one pair of shoes after another...
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Robert Bo Lawler
Ted Frank <m...@Radix.Net> wrote:
>I take credit for the investigations into the Cock Ring Ken, the Barbie
>Liberation Organization (which, previously unbeknownst to me, consists of
>FOAFs), and Malibu Stacy. I'll have to disclaim any knowledge about
>measuring Barbie with or without clothes.
I have a paper copy of a "cock Ring Ken" article that appeared in a
SF Newspaper circa 1991, when I was working in a desert and someone
perceived that I needed some humorous reading material. It's got
some pretty good quotes from Matel employees, and some astute
observations about Barbie, Kem, and queer chic.
I can type it in if there's interest and a lack of on-line version,
though I haven't researched the matter myself. Any takers?
Bo "the ring was pretty useless in the desert" Lawler
Emily Kelly
Robert "Bo" Lawler <law...@zappa.forestry.uga.edu-nuke-this-for-email> wrote:
>I have a paper copy of a "cock Ring Ken" article that appeared in a
>SF Newspaper circa 1991,
>
>though I haven't researched the matter myself. Any takers?
Likewise, Duke University Press put out a book a couple years ago on
queer Barbie; it had nearly a whole chapter on Cock Ring Ken, though I
found the earlier Barbie-Midge speculation more intriguing. Let me
see...right then:
Title: Barbie's queer accessories / Erica Rand.
Author: Rand, Erica, 1958-
Published: Durham : Duke University Press, 1995.
Subject: Sexual orientation --United States --Miscellanea.
Homosexuality --United States --Miscellanea.
Barbie dolls --Social aspects.
Barbie dolls --Marketing.
Popular culture --United States --Miscellanea.
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I have some info here from the book 'Forever Barbie' (M.G. Lord, 1994,
Morrow, ISBN 0-688-12296-5) about Barbie's waist. Apparently, the
abnormally small waist measurement is due in part to Barbie's being app
1/6th human scale, while the fabrics that make up her clothes aren't. To
quote:
"The inner seam on the waistband of a skirt involves four layers of
cloth - and four thicknesses of human scale fabric on a
one-sixth-human-scale doll would cause the doll's waist to appear
dramatically larger than her hips." (pages 12-13, hardback edition)
I believe there is some information later in the book regarding what
Barbie's measurements would be at human size, but I have been unable to
locate it just yet.
It's an interesting book which traces not only the history of the
doll, but also the recent Barbie craze and the sociological
implications. The author makes some rather odd conclusions - (Barbie as
earth goddess?) but it's a fascinating read.
Mary
Robert Bo Lawler
Ted Frank <m...@Radix.Net> wrote:
>I take credit for the investigations into the Cock Ring Ken, the Barbie
>Liberation Organization (which, previously unbeknownst to me, consists of
>FOAFs), and Malibu Stacy. I'll have to disclaim any knowledge about
>measuring Barbie with or without clothes.
So I found the paper copy of the "Cock Ring Magic Ken" article a F (not
FOAF) sent me a while back, circa summer 93. All typos are mine.
Bo "Ken's ring size is clearly not proportional either" Lawler
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A Cooler, Queerer, Ken
by Dan Savage
"We're not in the business of putting cock rings in the hands of
little girls" - Lisa McKendall, Manager of Marketing and
Communications, Mattel Toys.
Mattel's new Ken doll is on the market. New Ken is getting almost as
much press as New Coke did. Since his introduction at a toy
convention in New York City in February, Ken's been everywhere,
including the front page of The New York Times Arts and Leisure
section. Why the hoopla? Ken's first piercing (his left ear), and
his two-tone "greased lightning" hair-do.
[Picture of Ken, wearing slick-backed blond hair, midriff exposing
tshirt, black jeans, and a necklace with a metallic ring about the
proportional size of a thumb and forefinger making a circle]
But an important part of Earring Magic Ken's new wardrobe has been
overlooked by the straight media - Ken's cock ring. Hanging around
Ken's neck, on a silver metallic thread, is what ten out of ten fags
will tell you is a cock ring.
Mattel Toys, in the person of Lisa McKendall, denies the ring around
Ken's neck is a cock ring. "Absolutely not," she said. "It's a
necklace. It holds charms he can share with Barbie. C'mon, this is a
doll designed for little girls; something like that would be totally
inappropriate." Okay, Lisa, let's call it a necklace. Queers have
been wearing cock rings as necklaces for years.
When they're not fashion statements, cock rings are worn around the
base of your cock, or your close-personal-friend's cock if you don't
have one of your own. Slip one on when you're soft; once you're
hard, it traps blood in the penis, increasing sensitivity and
prolonging orgasm. From a utilitarian point of view, that's an
absolute good, a win/win scenario.
[Picture of young anglo male, outdoors, wearing a cutoff tshirt,
short blond hair, and necklace remarkably similar to Ken's]
Chrome cock rings, like Ken's, were long worn by the leather crowd on
the shoulders of their biker jackets (left for top, right for
bottom). In the waning years of our national nightmare (a.k.a. the
Reagan-Bush years), younger gay-boy-activist-types with brand new
leather jackets took to wearing cock rings on whichever side looked
best or, to the horror of the leather crowd, on both sides. Tops?
Bottoms? Versatile? Clueless? Who knew? Then newly-minted
sex-positive dykes started wearing them - cocks or not, they didn't
want to get left out of the sex-positive accesorizing.
Cock rings exploded (ouch!) as vest zipper pulls, as key rings, as
braclets; rubber ones, leather ones, chain mail. But the thick chrome
variety, the Classic Coke of cock rings, was and is most often worn as
a necklace. Chrome cock ring necklaces became de-rigeur rave-wear.
For about a year, every gay boy at a rave was wearing at lesat one -
these cock rings were often pressed into service later in the evening,
to help totally tweaked ravers keep up what the X was pulling down.
[Picture of deeply tanned young anglo male, mirrored aviator
sunglasses, backwards baseball cap, bared muscular chest, and yet
another cock ring necklace.]
On closer inspection, Ken's entire "Earring Magic" outfit looks like
three-year-old rave wear. A gaultier purple faux-leather vest, a
straight-out-of-International-Male purple mesh shirt, black jeans and
shoes. It would seem Mattel's crack Ken re-design team spent a week
in L.A. or New York dashing from rave to rave, taking notes and
Polaroids.
Ken's re-design was prompted by the advice of little girls who play
with him. "Two years ago we did a survey," Lisa McKendall said. "We
asked girls if Barbie should get a new boyfriend or stick with Ken.
They wanted Barbie to stay with Ken, but wanted Ken to look a little
cooler." And what's cool in the USA right now? What's hip? Queers
are.
Turn on MTV and watch the seven-foot tall drag queen (we're all
praying she isn't a one-hit-wonder) strut her fine stuff for the
heartland. Lesbian comics on Arsenio (how far he's come! - thank you,
Queer Nation). Gay and Lesbian activists in the Oval Office chatting
with the president. A live feeeed of the Queer March on Washington
running on C-Span.
Suddenly, it's hip to be queer. The little girls of our great nation
wanted a hipper Ken, and Mattel gave them a hip Ken. A Queer Ken.
"Ken and Barbie both reflect mainstream society, reflect what little
girls see in their world," said my pal Lisa, who was getting awfully
testy about my line of questioning. "What they see their dad,
brothers, and uncles wearing, they want Ken to wear."
As nice as Lisa is (which isn't very), I'm not sure I buy her line of
reasoning. How many dad out there are running around with cock rings
dangling from chains around their necks? How many mesh shirts does
International Male sell to the Junes and Wards of our great nation?
What the little girls are seeing, and telling Mattel was cool, wasn't
what their relatives were wearing - unless they had hip-queer
relatives - but homoerotic fashions and imagery they were seeing on
MTV, what they saw Madonna's dancer's wearing in her concerts and
films and, as it happens, what ACT UP/Queer Nation fags and dykes were
wearing to demos and raves.
When you've made it in to the aisles of Toys'R'Us, your movement has
arrived - remember the sudden appearance of African American
Barbie-style dolls after the full impact of their civil rights began
to be felt? Queer Ken is the high-water-mark of, depending on your
point of view, either queer infiltration into popular culture or the
thoughtless appropraition of queer culture by heterosexuals. Lisa
seemed genuinely unaware of the origins of Ken's "necklace" - abd it's
highly doubtful Mattel's design teams were lurking at queer raves.
Queer imagery has so permeated our culture that from rock stars (Axl
Rose and his leather chaps) to toy designers, mainstream America isn't
even aware when it's adopting queer fashions and mores. Or when
they're putting cock rings, even little plastic ones, into the hands
of little girls.
Earring Magic Ken is available at Toy'R'Us stores in the 'burbs. He's
made in China, costs only $10.99 and comes with a set of people-sized
earrings you can wear around the house or out to the bars. While Ken
now has a cock ring, he still doesn't have a cock.
"Traditionally, Ken doesn't sell as well as Barbie. Ken is a girl's
toy..." said Lisa. Mattel may be surprised how well Cock Ring Magic
Ken sells - queers are snapping up this new Ken. I got mine.
----
Reprinted w/o permission. Copied from Nucity of 18June through
1July '93, a weekly paper from Albuqueque NM.
LaMaia Cramer
Philo <ph...@radix.net> wrote:
>I've never understood how they get the 6' height. I woulda thought
>that while scaling the doll up to life size, the height is how you
>know when to stop (IOW, make her 5'8, and multiply the rest of the
>measurements to match).
I believe that the 6' figure is produced by scaling her head up
a factor, until it is "average" for a human woman.
-LaMaia
Stephan Zielinski
law...@zappa.forestry.uga.edu-nuke-this-for-email (Robert "Bo" Lawler) writes:
> I have a paper copy of a "cock Ring Ken" article that appeared in a
> I can type it in if there's interest and a lack of on-line version,
> though I haven't researched the matter myself.
I just want to intervene now to keep you from working your fingers any
harder than necessary. (If I had OCR, some of my posts would be a
thousand lines long.)
Reprinted without permission from NUCITY of 18 June thru 1 July '93
A Cooler, Queerer, Ken
by Don Savage
"We're not in the business of putting cock rings into the hands of
little girls." - Lisa McKendall, Manager of Marketing and
Communications, Mattel Toys.
Mattel's new Ken doll is on the market. New Ken is getting almost as
much press as New Coke did. Since his introduction at a toy
convention in New York City in February, Ken's been everywhere,
including the front page of the New York Times Arts and Leisure
section. Why the hoopla? Ken's first piercing (his left ear) and his
two-tone "greased lightning" hair-do.
But an important part of Earring Magic Ken's new wardrobe has been
overlooked by the straight media - Ken's cock ring. Hanging around
Ken's neck, on a metallic silver thread, is what ten out of ten fags
at a glance will tell you is a cock ring.
Mattel Toys, in the person of Lisa McKendall, denies the ring around
Ken's neck is a cock ring. "Absolutely not," she said. "It's a
necklace. It holds charms he can share with Barbie. C'mon, this is a
doll designed for little girls; something like that would be entirely
inappropriate." Okay, Lisa, let's call it a necklace. Queers have
been wearing cock rings as necklaces for years.
When they're not fashion statements, cock rings are worn around the
base of your cock, or your close-personal-friend's cock if you don't
have one of your own. Slip one on when you're soft; once you're hard,
it traps blood in the penis, increasing sensation and prolonging
orgasm. From a utilitarian point of view, that's an absolute good, a
win/win scenario.
Chrome cock rings, like Ken's, were long worn by the leather crowd on
the shoulders of their biker jackets (left for top, right for bottom).
In the waning years of our long national nightmare (aka the
Reagan-Bush years), younger gay-boy-activist-types with brand-new
leather jackets took to wearing cock rings on whichever side looked
best or, to the horror of the leather crowd, on both sides. Tops?
Bottoms? Versatile? Clueless? Who knew? Then newly-minted
sex-positive dykes started wearing them - cocks or not, they didn't
want to miss out on any of the sex-positive accessorizing.
Cock rings exploded (ouch!) - as vest zipper pulls, as key rings, as
bracelets; rubber ones, leather ones, chain mail. But the thick
chrome variety, the Classic Coke of cock rings, was and is most often
worn as a necklace. Chrome cock ring necklaces became de rigeur rave
wear. For about a year, every gay boy at a rave was wearing at least
one - these cock rings were often pressed into service later in the
evening, to help totally tweaked raver keep up what the X was pulling
down.
On closer inspection, Ken's entire "Earring Magic" outfit looks like
three-year-old rave wear. A Gaultier purple faux-leather vest, a
straight-out-of-International-Male purple mesh shirt, black jeans and
shoes. It would seem Mattel's crack Ken redesign team spent a weekend
in LA or New York, dashing from rave to rave, taking notes and
polaroids.
Ken's redesign was prompted by the advice of little girls who play
with him. "two years ago we did a survey," Lisa McKendall said. "We
asked girls if Barbie should get a new boyfriend or stick with Ken.
They wanted her to stay with Ken, but wanted Ken to look a little
cooler." And what's cool in the USA right now? What's hip? Queers
are.
Turn on MTV and watch the seven-foot-tall drag queen (we're all
praying she isn't a one-hit wonder) strut her fine stuff for the
heartland. Lesbian comics on Arsenio (how far he's come! - thank you,
Queer Nation). Gay and Lesbian activists in the Oval Office chatting
with the president. A live feed of the Queer March on Washington
running on C-Span.
Suddenly, it's hip to be queer. The little girls of our great nation
wanted a hipper Ken, and Mattel gave them a hip Ken. A queer Ken.
"Ken and Barbie both reflect mainstream society, reflect what little
girls see in their world," said my pal Lisa, who was getting awfully
testy about my line of questioning. "what they see their dads,
brothers, and uncles wearing, they want Ken to wear.
As nice as Lisa is (which isn't very), I'm not sure I buy her line of
reasoning. How many dads out there are running around with cock rings
dangling from chains around their necks? How many mesh shirts does
International Male sell to the James and Wards of our great nation?
What the little girls were seeing, and telling Mattel was cool, wasn't
what their relation were wearing - unless they had hip-queer relatives
- but the homoerotic fashions and imagery they were seeing on MTV,
what they saw Madonna's dancers wearing in her concerts and films and,
as it happens, what ACT UP/Queer Nation fags and dykes were wearing to
demos and raves.
When you've made it into the aisles of Toys"R"Us, your moment has
arrived - remember the sudden appearance of African-American
Barbie-style dolls after the full impact of their civil rights
movement began to be felt? Queer Ken is the high-water mark of,
depending on your point of view, either queer infiltration into
popular culture or the thoughtless appropriation of queer culture by
heterosexuals. Lisa seemed genuinely unaware of the origins of Ken's
"necklace" - and it's highly doubtful that Mattel's design teams were
lurking at queer raves. Queer imagery has so permeated our culture
that from rock stars (Axl Rose and his leather chaps) to toy
designers, mainstream America isn't even aware when it's adopting
queer fashions and mores. Or when they're putting cock rings, even
little plastic ones, into the hands of little girls.
Earring Magic Ken is available at Toys"R"Us stores in the 'burbs.
He's made in China, costs $10.99 and comes with a set of people-sized
earrings you can wear around the house or out to the bars. While Ken
now has a cock ring, he still doesn't have a cock.
"Traditionally, Ken doesn't sell as well as Barbie. Ken's a girl's
toy..." said Lisa. Mattel may be surprised how well Cock Ring Magic
Ken sells - queers are snapping up the new Ken. I got mine.
Philo
On 17 Jan 1997 17:41:40 -0800, Stephan Zielinski <szie...@pbi.net>
wrote:
>Cock rings exploded (ouch!) - as vest zipper pulls, as key rings, as
>bracelets; rubber ones, leather ones, chain mail. But the thick
>chrome variety, the Classic Coke of cock rings, was and is most often
>worn as a necklace. Chrome cock ring necklaces became de rigeur rave
>wear. For about a year, every gay boy at a rave was wearing at least
>one - these cock rings were often pressed into service later in the
>evening, to help totally tweaked raver keep up what the X was pulling
>down.
I'm confused (and sheltered, I guess). Wearing a cock ring as a
*necklace* would seem to necessitate either a very, very large cock, a
very, very small neck, or something in between.
Has this article completely confused the concept of "necklace" and
"pendant" or "charm"? And which does Ken have? A scale ring *on* a
necklace, or a lifesize ring *as* a necklace?
Philo "not to be confused with pednatic" NLN
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Philo
On 17 Jan 1997 15:12:24 -0700, lam...@unm.edu (LaMaia Cramer) wrote:
>
>I believe that the 6' figure is produced by scaling her head up
>a factor, until it is "average" for a human woman.
>
Human woman with an 8" neck.
Philo "Barbie likes necking" NLN
Cindy Kandolf
Jeff & Mary Morris <jsmo...@inlink.com> writes:
| I have some info here from the book 'Forever Barbie' (M.G. Lord, 1994,
| Morrow, ISBN 0-688-12296-5) about Barbie's waist. Apparently, the
| abnormally small waist measurement is due in part to Barbie's being app
| 1/6th human scale, while the fabrics that make up her clothes aren't. To
| quote:
|
| "The inner seam on the waistband of a skirt involves four layers of
| cloth - and four thicknesses of human scale fabric on a
| one-sixth-human-scale doll would cause the doll's waist to appear
| dramatically larger than her hips." (pages 12-13, hardback edition)
I've seen this before, and i still have not heard an answer to my
question: why is this not a problem with Ken? Okay, his measurements
are distorted, too, but he does not have an absurdly skinny waist as
Barbie does, despite the fact that his pants also require four layers
of cloth at the waistband. The old Skipper (before she hit puberty)
also had a fairly realistic waist. But neither Ken nor Skipper
appeared to be sporting a spare tire.
Also, the fabric used for Barbie's clothes is generally pretty thin
stuff, not really what ordinary humans would choose for their clothes.
- Cindy Kandolf, certified language mechanic, mamma flodnak
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Jeff & Mary Morris
Cindy Kandolf wrote:being app
> I've seen this before, and i still have not heard an answer to my
> question: why is this not a problem with Ken? Okay, his measurements
> are distorted, too, but he does not have an absurdly skinny waist as
> Barbie does, despite the fact that his pants also require four layers
> of cloth at the waistband. The old Skipper (before she hit puberty)
> also had a fairly realistic waist. But neither Ken nor Skipper
> appeared to be sporting a spare tire.
>
> Also, the fabric used for Barbie's clothes is generally pretty thin
> stuff, not really what ordinary humans would choose for their clothes.
Actually, Ken -as he was originally designed- was, indeed,
abnormally skinny at the waist. Ken went through a major re-design
sometime during the sixties to 'beef him up'. Barbie never did, and
retains her original proportions. The quote I gave is attributed in the
book to a Mattel designer, but perhaps it's also true that Barbie still
reflects the popular fashion silhouette of the era she was designed in -
the fifties, when Dior's 'New Look' was so popular. Skipper came along
many years after Barbie, though looking at my reference books, she does
seem to have a narrower waist than called for also, both in the original
dolls and the later ones.
As for clothing - I've always been under the impression that Mattel
buys standard fabrics, though they do try to choose things that are
somewhat more in proportion. They don't always succeed - there have been
some very vocal complaints in recent years from serious collectors about
Barbie's clothes 'not being in proportion'. This kind of thing is
particularly obvious with trims and decorations - dresses covered in
sequins as big as the doll's hands, knits and corduroys that would look
ridiculous enlarged by a factor of six, that kind of thing. Strangly,
this becomes more obvious in the higher-end clothing, (the Fashion
Avenue line, for example) then in the cheaper play clothing and what's
usually found on the less-expensive 'pink box' play market dolls.
Sadly, over the years, the quality of the clothing Barbie wears has
declined noticably. Some of the vintage stuff is nothing short of
beautiful, and very well made. The great majority of Barbie clothing
today is nothing short of cheap.
Some good references for those interested in Barbie and her clothes -
Barbie Fashion, Vol 1, By Sarah Dink Eames, Collector Books, ISBN
0-89145-418-7
Barbie Dolls and Collectibles, By Sibyl DeWein and Joan Ashabraner,
Collector Books, ISBN 0-89145-052-1
Susan C. Mitchell
Simon Slavin <sla...@hearsay.demon.co.uk.NOJUNK> wrote:
: In article <32e779c4...@news1.radix.net>,
: ph...@radix.net (Philo) wrote:
: > r.sw...@hotmail.com ( R.Swenson) wrote:
: >
: > >were real,instead of flesh colored plastic. Some have said that if
: > >she were a real woman ,Barbie would be six feet tall and have 37D cup
: > >size breasts, [24] inch waist and 36 inch hips.
: >
: > I've never understood how they get the 6' height. I woulda thought
: > that while scaling the doll up to life size, the height is how you
: > know when to stop (IOW, make her 5'8, and multiply the rest of the
: > measurements to match).
: They get the six foot height by comparing Barbie to her accessories.
: In the design-sheet used by Mattel, there are descriptions of how
: Barbie really /can/ move (i.e. freedom of movements of each of her
: joints, how flexible the plastic is, etc.) and how she'd be able to
: move if she were real. I don't recall the vital statistics, but I'll
: believe 37-24-36.
The canonical set of Barbie measurements, drawn from _Nostalgic Barbie_
and oft cited on rec.collecting.dolls, is 39-18-33. I believe that this
is taking Barbie as being either 5'6" or 5'8" tall. She would weigh about
110 pounds, and wear a US size 7.
Think globally, act locally.
Susan C. "and wear strange orthopedic shoes" Mitchell
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Frank Raymond Michaels
Megan Knight <me...@vwv.com> wrote:
>Frank Raymond Michaels wrote:
>>
>> Add that to the fact that she has no nipples or navel, and well, she's
>> just not all that appealing. (Oddly, a former girlfriend of mine had
>> the same problem -- when I'd complain, she'd just tell me to get off
>> her back).
>>
>a former girlfiend had no nipples or navel? and you were tactless enough
>to complain?
Well, she certainly didn't have them on her back.
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Frank Raymond Michaels ("A healthy sex drive, but a poor sense of
direction...")
Megan Knight
Moiner
In article <5bvn4k$q...@news2.i-2000.com>, fra...@i-2000.com (Frank Raymond
Michaels) wrote:
>Well, she certainly didn't have them on her back.
ahhh, the one mutation that could bring ballroom dancing back into style...
Jim (boywundr)
me...@vwv.com (Megan Knight ) said something that went a little like this:
>
>Frank Raymond Michaels wrote:
>>
>> Add that to the fact that she has no nipples or navel, and well, she's
>> just not all that appealing. (Oddly, a former girlfriend of mine had
>> the same problem -- when I'd complain, she'd just tell me to get off
>> her back).
>>
>
>a former girlfiend had no nipples or navel? and you were tactless enough
>to complain?
Frank, if another one jumps in the boat like that, you whack it with the paddle
as hard as you can.
Jim "my what a hairy face you have" R.
The Other Man
> >she were a real woman ,Barbie would be six feet tall and have 37D cup
> >
> > Are these measurements correct? What have you read? Or do you
> >care?
>
> Those measurements are not at all impossible, and in fact wouldn't be
> all that attractive, probably; the version I heard was that that her
> measurements would be something like 44-14-36 : a true wasp-waist.
>
I heard somewhere that if Barbie were human - she would be suffering
from malnutrition.
The Other Man
The Other Man
Frank Raymond Michaels wrote:
>
> Add that to the fact that she has no nipples or navel, and well, she's
> just not all that appealing. (Oddly, a former girlfriend of mine had
> the same problem -- when I'd complain, she'd just tell me to get off
> her back).
>
seventies or sometime (apparently it's worth heaps if you know anyone
who has one). They took it off the market for reasons I'm not really
sure of, but I think it may have something to do with obscenity laws
around in that time.
> However, I must admit that Dominatrix Barbie looks quite cute in her
> leather-and-razorwire panties.
>
I still want to check out the recently released 'Feral Barbie'. I wonder
if she's got hairy armpits & legs & no bikini line.
The Other Man
"Wherever you go - there you are."
-Buckaroo Banzai
Simon Slavin
In article <32fb28e9....@news1.radix.net>,
ph...@radix.net (Philo) wrote:
> I'm confused (and sheltered, I guess). Wearing a cock ring as a
> *necklace* would seem to necessitate either a very, very large cock, a
> very, very small neck, or something in between.
They're worn on a chain around the neck in public ... as a sign that
you use one in private. Much like wedding-rings. While cock-rings are
nowhere near as popular in the UK as they are in some sections of the
States, I know a couple of club nights at which I'd expect to see some.
Simon "Rare funk ball tool." Slavin.
MKScribe
> r.sw...@hotmail.com ( R.Swenson) wrote:
>
> >were real,instead of flesh colored plastic. Some have said that if
> >she were a real woman ,Barbie would be six feet tall and have 37D cup
A couple of years ago, Phil Donahue hosted a show centered around Barbie
and as a hapless audience member (how else to get out of a day's work) I
had to suffer through "important" questions posed by audience members
such as "how can my child keep barbie's shoes on?" Finally disgusted, I
voiced my "dimension" concerns directly to Mattel's Marketing Vice
President (a woman in a Disney-pink suit whose saccharin smile you
couldn't take off with turpentine). Aside from my concerns about affecting
the young girls' perceptions, she routinely blew off my comments that at
those proportions, Barbie would have over a 40" chest ( I do believe
reading somewhere that it's even closer to 50"). I pressed on, (Donahue
liked that, he was bored to death) and her smile faded. She "choked" and
began talking about Fashion Avenue Barbie. I asked her when there would
be a "District Attorney Barbie." No answer. At the end of the show (I
actually had more air time than the other guests--of which included a
woman who dressed her husband up as Ken) I was pacified with an African
American Desert Storm Barbie as a token of the marketing dingbat's "good
will." I refused to accept it telling her I don't think I'd trust a
soldier in perfect make-up.
MKScribe
"But can it core a apple?"
Katja Biesanz
Regarding Barbie's height: one way of estimating height is in regard to head
size. Some fashion drawings, if figured to have an average size head, would
be nine feet tall.
Moiner
In article <19970122063...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
mksc...@aol.com (MKScribe) wrote:
>> r.sw...@hotmail.com ( R.Swenson) wrote:
>>
>> >were real,instead of flesh colored plastic. Some have said that if
>> >she were a real woman ,Barbie would be six feet tall and have 37D cup
>> >size breasts, [24] inch waist and 36 inch hips.
>
>A couple of years ago, Phil Donahue hosted a show centered around Barbie
>and as a hapless audience member (how else to get out of a day's work) I
>had to suffer through "important" questions posed by audience members
>such as "how can my child keep barbie's shoes on?" Finally disgusted, I
>voiced my "dimension" concerns directly to Mattel's Marketing Vice
>President (a woman in a Disney-pink suit whose saccharin smile you
>couldn't take off with turpentine). Aside from my concerns about affecting
>the young girls' perceptions, she routinely blew off my comments that at
>those proportions, Barbie would have over a 40" chest ( I do believe
>reading somewhere that it's even closer to 50").
aw, hell, go for 60". Don't let little things like checking your facts stop
you...
I pressed on, (Donahue
>liked that, he was bored to death) and her smile faded. She "choked" and
>began talking about Fashion Avenue Barbie. I asked her when there would
>be a "District Attorney Barbie." No answer. At the end of the show (I
>actually had more air time than the other guests--of which included a
>woman who dressed her husband up as Ken) I was pacified with an African
>American Desert Storm Barbie as a token of the marketing dingbat's "good
>will." I refused to accept it telling her I don't think I'd trust a
>soldier in perfect make-up.
Indignation Junkies.
Ain't they cute?
Larry Kubicz
Megan Knight wrote:
>Frank Raymond Michaels wrote:
>> Add that to the fact that she has no nipples or navel, and well, she's
>> just not all that appealing. (Oddly, a former girlfriend of mine had
>> the same problem -- when I'd complain, she'd just tell me to get off
>> her back).
>a former girlfiend had no nipples or navel? and you were tactless enough
>to complain?
I'm sure this was unintentional, Frank. Sometimes they just jump right
in the boat.
Larry "If it's an issue, always check for eye contact." Kubicz
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Denver, CO USA | drink yourself to death on beer bait.
lku...@earthlink.net | --Rich Clancey
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Susan C. Mitchell
The Other Man <theot...@somplace.com> wrote:
: Frank Raymond Michaels wrote:
: >
: > Add that to the fact that she has no nipples or navel, and well, she's
: > just not all that appealing. (Oddly, a former girlfriend of mine had
: > the same problem -- when I'd complain, she'd just tell me to get off
: > her back).
: I hear that there actually was a 'Belly Button Barbie' around in the
: seventies or sometime (apparently it's worth heaps if you know anyone
: who has one). They took it off the market for reasons I'm not really
: sure of, but I think it may have something to do with obscenity laws
: around in that time.
You may be thinking of the Happy To Be Me doll, which had collarbones,
nipples and a navel. This doll was marketed in the mid-1980s, and was a
resounding market failure for reasons having nothing to do with obscenity
lows; it was poorly manufactured of low-quality materials.
: > However, I must admit that Dominatrix Barbie looks quite cute in her
: > leather-and-razorwire panties.
: >
: I still want to check out the recently released 'Feral Barbie'. I wonder
: if she's got hairy armpits & legs & no bikini line.
From Zoli Nazaari-Uebele's "Plastic Princess Page"
(http://d.armory.com/~zenugirl/cheryl.html):
<begin included text>
Doesn't she sound like a living doll?
_________________________________________________________________
reprinted from The San Jose Mercury News Friday May 19, 1995
_________________________________________________________________
Sorry, folks, but this column today does have a bit of a foreign
flavor to it. From Australia comes this gem:
Move over, Barbie: Here comes the Feral Cheryl doll - complete with
tattoos, unshaven legs, pierced nipples, feathers, pubic hair and
dreadlocks. Feral Cheryl's maker, Lee Duncan, says the teen-age doll
was designed for alternative Australian lifestylers who did not relate
to the clean, puritan Barbie image.
"It started as a bit of a joke," Duncan said Thursday from Lismore, a
rural town in northern New South Wales state. "I was playing iwth my
niece, who is into Barbies, and said this is irrelevant. Nobody looks
like Barbie. So I made a feral doll," she said.
Feral Cheryls sell for a alittle over $7 each. Duncan said curiosity
about Ferlay Cheril was high but this had not yet translated into hard
sales.
<end of included text>
I don't think we're going to be running across these in Toys Ya Us any
time soon ... more's the pity.
Think globally, act locally.
Susan
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Philo <ph...@radix.net> wrote:
>Stephan Zielinski <szie...@pbi.net> wrote:
>
>>Cock rings exploded (ouch!) - as vest zipper pulls, as key rings, as
>>bracelets; rubber ones, leather ones, chain mail. But the thick
>>chrome variety, the Classic Coke of cock rings, was and is most often
>>worn as a necklace. Chrome cock ring necklaces became de rigeur rave
>>wear. For about a year, every gay boy at a rave was wearing at least
>>one - these cock rings were often pressed into service later in the
>>evening, to help totally tweaked raver keep up what the X was pulling
>>down.
>
>*necklace* would seem to necessitate either a very, very large cock, a
>very, very small neck, or something in between.
>
>"pendant" or "charm"? And which does Ken have? A scale ring *on* a
>necklace, or a lifesize ring *as* a necklace?
Requoting the article:
But an important part of Earring Magic Ken's new wardrobe has been
overlooked by the straight media - Ken's cock ring. Hanging around
Ken's neck, on a metallic silver thread, is what ten out of ten fags
at a glance will tell you is a cock ring.
The pictures accompanying the article make it a little clearer: they're
usually worn on a chain and hang down, sorta medallion-like. In Magic
Ken's case, the cock ring is to scale with the reset of him. If he
was to scale in that respect, of course.
I always have wondered how they size those things. Do you walk up to
the counter in the local sex-toy store and ask for a certain diameter,
do the just have S, M, L, XL, etc, or some even weirder scale like
hat size?
Bo "where's the undressing room?" Lawler
Kathryn Engelhardt
> Doesn't she sound like a living doll?
Awhile ago I saw a woman on television who was changing her body
physically to look like Barbie. She actually had bones broken in her face
and reshaped to look like Barbie's face, her nose was redone, and of
course she had blonde hair in a "Barbie" style. As I remember, this person
was working not only on her face but her legs, feet, hands, everything.
She indeed looked very much like the doll.
Has anyone else heard about this person?
-Kathryn "Happy to be Me" Engelhardt
Jeff Talley
Yes, She's on the radio in England somewhere...
The bad thing about her is that when they show her before photos.
She doesn't really look that different...
Outt..
Jeff.
Sho Nakagama
In article <Pine.SUN.3.95L.97012...@bonjour.cc.columbia.edu>, Kathryn Engelhardt wrote:
>
>
>> Doesn't she sound like a living doll?
>
>
>Awhile ago I saw a woman on television who was changing her body
>physically to look like Barbie.
Actually, as a note, the "actress" who portrayed Barbie in the original
run of Barbie Live on Stage on London had formerly been male, and had
gotten a sex change. They had a pretty interesting interview with her a
while back.
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In article <5cfse1$n...@nntp1.ba.best.com>, bmik...@shell2.ba.best.com
says...
> But guess what else? Ms Jackson is not all that thrilled with
> it. Her definition of power seems to revolve around reducing
> men to the consistency of jellied consomme.
>
>
So, whose isn't?
Lizz "But all I get is noodle soup" Braver
Larry Kubicz
Simon Slavin wrote:
>ph...@radix.net (Philo) wrote:
>> I'm confused (and sheltered, I guess). Wearing a cock ring as a
>> *necklace* would seem to necessitate either a very, very large cock, a
>> very, very small neck, or something in between.
>They're worn on a chain around the neck in public ... as a sign that
>you use one in private. Much like wedding-rings.
Er...how, exactly, does one use a wedding ring in private?
Larry "Something tells me I've just provided a straight line for Barbara" Kubicz
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Barbara Mikkelson
Larry Kubicz (lku...@earthlink.net) wrote:
>> They're worn on a chain around the neck in public ... as a sign that
>> you use one in private. Much like wedding-rings.
>
> Er...how, exactly, does one use a wedding ring in private?
En passant as a pawn. Avoid castling on the king's side until it's back
out of hock.
> Larry "Something tells me I've just provided a straight line for
> Barbara" Kubicz
Barbara "I am but a rook on the chessboard of life" Mikkelson
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