Rod Stewart denies semen rumor
David Martin
(http://www.vh1.com/insidevh1/shows/btm/rod_stewart_138.jhtml)
I got drawn in because the preview mentioned the rumor about him
having to have his stomach pumped to remove the huge quantity of
semen (I don't remember the exact amount). In the show, Rod and
his agent both commented on the absurdity of it and denied that
it ever happened. Rod himself said to just look at him, he's much
too straight for that to happen.
They didn't attribute the rumor to any particular person.
David "he admitted regret for his disco phase" Martin
Unknown
My ex wife grew up in Edinburgh. Rod Stewart was from Scotland.
She recalls that when she was a teenager, there was a punk
rocker who was rumored to have had his stomach pumped for
this reason. The punk rocker in question was know to be gay,
and eventually died of AIDS. This was around the time that
Rod Steward was just coming onto the scene in the US.
Since some ULs have a tendance to be attributed from one person to
another over the years, and as fame comes and goes, I wonder if this
started as a Scottish UL, and made it to the states attributed to a
better known Scottish performer.
I recall having asked a young teenager about the rumor a few
years back. He swore that it was one of the new kids on the
block that this happened to. I guess each generation has to
have its own heroes ;)
Laurence Doering
>On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:14:48 -0600, David Martin
><k29...@unix.tamu.edu> wrote:
>
>>Sunday night VH1 had a "Behind the Music" episode about Rod Stewart.
>>(http://www.vh1.com/insidevh1/shows/btm/rod_stewart_138.jhtml)
>>I got drawn in because the preview mentioned the rumor about him
>>having to have his stomach pumped to remove the huge quantity of
>>semen (I don't remember the exact amount). In the show, Rod and
>>his agent both commented on the absurdity of it and denied that
>>it ever happened. Rod himself said to just look at him, he's much
>>too straight for that to happen.
>>
>>They didn't attribute the rumor to any particular person.
>>
>>David "he admitted regret for his disco phase" Martin
>
>My ex wife grew up in Edinburgh. Rod Stewart was from Scotland.
>She recalls that when she was a teenager, there was a punk
>rocker who was rumored to have had his stomach pumped for
>this reason. The punk rocker in question was know to be gay,
>and eventually died of AIDS. This was around the time that
>Rod Steward was just coming onto the scene in the US.
>
>Since some ULs have a tendance to be attributed from one person to
>another over the years, and as fame comes and goes, I wonder if this
>started as a Scottish UL, and made it to the states attributed to a
>better known Scottish performer.
I doubt it, since I remember this rumor circulating when I was
in junior high school, well before Rod Stewart was particularly
popular in the U.S., and several years before the Summer of Hate
and the advent of punk rock.
At the time, it was David Bowie that was supposed to have had
his stomach pumped, or Elton John, depending on which one you
liked least.
I suspect that if you looked hard enough, you could probably find
people who were in junior high school in the 1950s who heard this
rumor about Perry Como, or people who were in their early teens
in the 40s who told similar stories about the Andrews Sisters.
ljd
Lizz Holmans
>
>My ex wife grew up in Edinburgh. Rod Stewart was from Scotland.
>She recalls that when she was a teenager, there was a punk
>rocker who was rumored to have had his stomach pumped for
>this reason. The punk rocker in question was know to be gay,
>and eventually died of AIDS. This was around the time that
>Rod Steward was just coming onto the scene in the US.
Rod Stewart is not from Scotland. He was born in 1945 in London,
England.
He does own a piece of the Glasgow Rangers, but that doesn't make him a
Scot. He only started claiming to be Scottish rather late in his career-
-sometime during the Faces. But he's as Scottish as I am.
Lizz 'Every birth certificate tells a story' Holmans
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Donald Fisk
>
> Rod Stewart is not from Scotland. He was born in 1945 in London,
> England.
I'm relieved to hear that. Thanks for debunking that particular UL.
> Lizz Holmans
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one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore
all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- G.B. Shaw
Keith Moon
wrote:
> >>semen (I don't remember the exact amount). In the show, Rod and
> >>his agent both commented on the absurdity of it and denied that
> >>it ever happened. Rod himself said to just look at him, he's much
> >>too straight for that to happen.
There was a great moment on Letterman a few years ago, when Rod and
Ron Wood were on to promote the "Unplugged" special. David began a
question with something like, "I've heard a story about you..." He
was only asking about the Faces' love of wrecking hotel rooms, but for
just a moment Rod got a really uncomfortable look on his face, as if
he were thinking, "oh my god, he's going to ask about the semen
story..."
Keith
These stories are known as Queer Smears. Any man that has feminine qualities
is a dirty queer. The idea behind the rumor to have a stomach pumped is that
all feminine acting men are queers that will suck any dick and because they do
suck dicks so often they have their stomachs pumped.
Another Queer Smear is the Gerbil in the ass story. Which is used to
attack other "feminine men". I once had to listen to a co-worker tell
me how she knew for sure that a actor had a gerbil removed from his ass,
because, "that is what the dirty queers do!".
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Slyfoot
<snipped>
>These stories are known as Queer Smears. Any man that has feminine qualities
>is a dirty queer. The idea behind the rumor to have a stomach pumped is that
>all feminine acting men are queers that will suck any dick and because they do
>suck dicks so often they have their stomachs pumped.
> Another Queer Smear is the Gerbil in the ass story. Which is used to
>attack other "feminine men". I once had to listen to a co-worker tell
>me how she knew for sure that a actor had a gerbil removed from his ass,
>because, "that is what the dirty queers do!".
>
>--
>Best Regards,
>
Orlando is famous for Disney World, and of course it's no secret that
a good percentage of the employees there are gay. The whole Southern
Baptist crusade against Disney's Gay Day presented a rather humorous
problem for many here in Orlando. Stereotypes aside, they do their
jobs at Disney very well. So even the people who ordinarily would
have nothing to do with a controversy involving homosexuality will
defend the Disney Gays Disney Day. Most of us around here are smart
enough to realize that without Disney, Orlando would be just another
hot, humid, cockroach-infested haven for mosquitoes.
And although semen-swallowing stomach-pumping stories isn't really my
idea of humor, I once quipped to a gay friend of mine there should be
a marketing campaign for Gay Bud.
Slogan: "We're HERE! We're BEER! Get USED TO IT!"
Sam "straight to the point" Campbell
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Robert
> a good percentage of the employees there are gay.
You're kidding, right?
I'm a Disney Orlando Employee, and I don't think this is true, except maybe
for the
guy who plays Peter Pan in _Fantasmic!_
Ray Depew
: Orlando is famous for Disney World, and of course it's no secret that
: a good percentage of the employees there are gay.
"Of course it's no secret"? You're a complete idiot. And a jackass besides.
Plonk.
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Ray
Scott Miller
Rod Stewart was around WAY before punk rock. He was in a group called
the faces and that had to be the late 60's and way before anybody ever
knew what AIDS was. So that correlation between the punk rocker and
Stewart cant be right.
Back around 1970 I remember them saying the same thing about Mick Jagger
too. Also that Bianca Jagger caught Mick and Rod in bed together. That
was also denied by all of them in a rolling stone issue the same with
the supposed 2 gallons pumped out of Stewarts stomach.
Lets see if it was supposed to be 2 gallons and each guy "on average"
ejaculates 1 TSP of semen that would be how many men in a night? LOL
I don't think the most active porno actress gets that much in a year!
It's been going around for almost 30 years now.
Scott Miller
Not a good portion of the employess are, a good portion of the animation
staff is. That is maybe 3% of the whole workforce? I used to consult to
Disney in Oralando for their computer systems and I didn't run into too
many gays. But then again I didn't ask who was gay or really care
either.
Slyfoot
>: a good percentage of the employees there are gay.
>
>"Of course it's no secret"? You're a complete idiot. And a jackass besides.
>Plonk.
Hmm, I've offended Ray without intending to, even though this
statement is easily supported with numerous news articles, video
clips, and conversations with many of my fellow Orlando residents,
INCLUDING gay friends of mine who work(ed) at Disney. Since he didn't
bother to ask me to justify what I said, and simply assumed I was
being a "complete idiot" and "a jackass", being plonked by him doesn't
really cause me any emotional distress. Since I'm neither a homophobe
nor an insensitive prick, anyone else who might have had a problem
with what I said is welcome to send me an email asking for
clarification. Here in Orlando, this particular statement would not
be surprising, shocking, or insulting at all but merely a statement
which is blindingly obvious to anyone who lives in the City Beautiful.
Sam "It's a Small World After All" Campbell
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and scissors like The Living Lord. -- Stan Rice
Drew Lawson
I was in Florida in January, and I didn't run into any cannibals
while I was there. Then again, no one denied that cannibalism was
widespread in Florida.
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OtiGoji
[a blithe response to tempting bait] too good to resisit!
>Rod Stewart was around WAY before punk rock. He was in a group called
>the faces and that had to be the late 60's
He had to have been around before The Jeff Beck Group in '68. Did Rod not play
harmonica on Minnie Small's mid-'60s "My Boy Lollipop"?
>Bianca Jagger caught Mick and Rod in bed together.
Oh, dear. I fear it was Angie Bowie who claims to have caught her man David in
bed with Mick. NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT!
If you're not supposed to take trollbait, why does it look so good?
Otius "... but, isn't all rock punk?" Gojius
Slyfoot
Sigh... okay. The point I was trying to make originally had more to
do with the whole controversy over Disney's Gay Day and a silly joke
about "Gay Bud" than it did about the exact percentage of gay people
who work at Disney World. I've had gay friends and straight friends
tell me many times that the Entertainment Staff and Animation Staff
does in fact have a disproportionate number of gay people. It is
possible that they were lying or exaggerating, thus giving rise to
what could be an erroneous perception. Perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps
the number of gays at Disney is no greater than in any other large
corporation.
It is, of course, nigh impossible to be sure one has reliable
statistics, but I will take the time to check to see if there actually
are any statistics that prove or disprove this idle assertion either
way. But please understand that snipping one statement out of
someone's post makes it look like that was the entire point of the
post. It wasn't. If I cannot support this particular out-of-context
assertion with statistics than I will be more than happy to retract
the statement. In the meantime, be sure you never write anything that
can be snipped and paraded before the public as if it were the only
thing you said. Somebody out there might actually be happy to try to
make you look like an idiot.
Sam "if you must take it out of context, put it back where it belongs"
Campbell
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and scissors like The Living Lord. -- Stan Rice
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Email: slyfootNO...@bellsouth.net
Casady
(Slyfoot) wrote:
>>: Orlando is famous for Disney World, and of course it's no secret that
>>: a good percentage of the employees there are gay.
>>
>>"Of course it's no secret"? You're a complete idiot. And a jackass besides.
>>Plonk.
>
>Hmm, I've offended Ray without intending to, even though this
>statement is easily supported with numerous news articles, video
>clips, and conversations with many of my fellow Orlando residents
{Snip crap about who everyone in Orlando would support him if
someone just went there and ask around.}
You probably have offended a few more with your snipping of
the attribution. Ray who? Is that 'no secret', supposedly? Your
assertation was unsupported. It still is. So fuck you. You intend to
offend as many as possible. You admitted that long ago.
Casady
Chris Clarke
<slyfootNO...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >: Orlando is famous for Disney World, and of course it's no secret that
> >: a good percentage of the employees there are gay.
> >
> >"Of course it's no secret"? You're a complete idiot. And a jackass besides.
> >Plonk.
>
> Hmm, I've offended Ray without intending to, even though this
> statement is easily supported with numerous news articles, video
> clips, and conversations with many of my fellow Orlando residents,
> INCLUDING gay friends of mine who work(ed) at Disney. Since he didn't
> bother to ask me to justify what I said, and simply assumed I was
> being a "complete idiot" and "a jackass", being plonked by him doesn't
> really cause me any emotional distress.
It should. Ray's one of the most thoughtful, calm and intelligent
posters with which AFU is blessed.
You may want to consider the possibility that your word choice conveyed
an impression you may not have intended.
This group has seen [bignum] new posters. Ofttimes, when one appears in
the group and posts as frequently as you have upon arrival, said person
turns out to be resistant to the Usenet uber-FAQ: "Lurk. Think. Write
post. Think more. Edit post. Think more. Delete post in most cases."
This is the metaphenomenon that gave rise to the "Bailey Index"[1]. A
poster was so enthusiastic about finding this beacon of intelligence
that she chose to contribute to every single thread. Few people can
contribute signal on that wide a range of topics. This leaves
Possibility A: retelling endless anecdotes in the first person or
Possibility H[2]: contributing a large batch of tepid one-liners.
AFU welcomes both vices in moderation. There is another group --
alt.fan.cecil-adams -- that welcomes those who cannot moderate their
indulgence in either vice.
A reflexive defensiveness at being called out for such excessive
posting is normal and healthy. Being able to let go of that
defensiveness is the difference between people who wind up becoming
valued AFU denizens and those who find themselves zipping down the
chute to AFCA.
Chris "yes, my volume has gone up of late as well, but at least I've
lurked since 1992" Clarke
[1] This was originally referred to as the Cameron Ratio, but its
originator wisely decided to avoid quibbling over the evolution of the
name after seeing the carnage of the bunny/epenthetic wars.
[2] Not a typo.
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Scott Miller
LOL Hey I didn't assign that email address my company did!
And maybe your right about who was supposed to be bedding who LOL Heck
that was years ago and this old mind did too many drugs back in the 60!
:)
I really don't remember if he did play harmonica back then but I am sure
he did more bands than we will know.
Either way that story is just folklore and has been around longer than a
lot of the people in this NG has been on earth!
CYA
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> Most of us around here are smart
> enough to realize that without Disney, Orlando would be just another
> hot, humid, cockroach-infested haven for mosquitoes.
When I lived in Orlando there was no Disney World, and it didn't
seem hot, nor did it seem humid, cockroach-infested, nor a haven
for mosquitos. I guess all that has changed now that Disney has
moved in.
Charles Wm. "Boone High, class of 1958" Dimmick
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the chucky stanes to pieces wi' hammers, like
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to see how the warld was made!"
Brian Scearce
> Let's see, if it was supposed to be two gallons, and each guy "on
> average" ejaculates one teaspoon of semen, that would be how many
> men in a night?
pig 140% units
you have: teaspoons
you want: gallons
* 1.302083e-03
/ 7.680000e+02
So, around 1500 for two gallons. Although it seems to me that even
with a sort of assembly-line approach, the first guy would be well
on his way to digestion (and hence un-stomach-pumpable) by the time
guy #1500 was at bat.
Brian "I did this with Unix, although Rod obviously couldn't have" Scearce
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Laurence Doering
OtiGoji <oti...@aol.comSPAMNOT> wrote:
>>smille69 apparently wrote:
>[a blithe response to tempting bait] too good to resisit!
>
>>Rod Stewart was around WAY before punk rock. He was in a group called
>>the faces and that had to be the late 60's
>
>He had to have been around before The Jeff Beck Group in '68. Did Rod not play
>harmonica on Minnie Small's mid-'60s "My Boy Lollipop"?
Maybe so, but the Faces didn't exactly make Rod Stewart a
rock star of "Had To Have His Stomach Pumped" caliber in the
United States.
As best as I can recall, Rod Stewart became the subject of the
rumor in the U.S. circa 1979, after "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy" hit
the Top Five.
ljd
Dr H
On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Keith wrote:
}These stories are known as Queer Smears. Any man that has feminine qualities
}is a dirty queer. The idea behind the rumor to have a stomach pumped is that
}all feminine acting men are queers that will suck any dick and because they do
}suck dicks so often they have their stomachs pumped.
} Another Queer Smear is the Gerbil in the ass story. Which is used to
}attack other "feminine men". I once had to listen to a co-worker tell
}me how she knew for sure that a actor had a gerbil removed from his ass,
}because, "that is what the dirty queers do!".
What about the clean ones?
Dr H
Dr H
My God! You mean it *was* a secret? Uh oh....
}Plonk.
Jeez, Ray, I though you did this days ago. Or do you believe that if
you post "plonk" enough it will *really* create a killfile for Sam?
Dr H
Dr H
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Slyfoot wrote:
}>: Orlando is famous for Disney World, and of course it's no secret that
}>: a good percentage of the employees there are gay.
}>
}>"Of course it's no secret"? You're a complete idiot. And a jackass besides.
}>Plonk.
}
}Hmm, I've offended Ray without intending to, even though this
}statement is easily supported with numerous news articles, video
}clips, and conversations with many of my fellow Orlando residents,
}INCLUDING gay friends of mine who work(ed) at Disney.
But see, it's not true in *Ray's experience*, and we have established
in the "Suicidal Actress" thread that the only acceptable form of
proof in afu (for newbies, anyway) is afuski's *personal experience*.
No peer-reviewed publications need apply.
Dr H
Dr H
He hasn't offended me, yet.
Breathless with anticipation...
Dr H
Dr H
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Slyfoot wrote:
}In the meantime, be sure you never write anything that
}can be snipped and paraded before the public as if it were the only
}thing you said. Somebody out there might actually be happy to try to
}make you look like an idiot.
Nah, never happen in afu. ;-)
Dr H
Dr H
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Chris Clarke wrote:
}This group has seen [bignum] new posters. Ofttimes, when one appears in
}the group and posts as frequently as you have upon arrival, said person
}turns out to be resistant to the Usenet uber-FAQ: "Lurk. Think. Write
}post. Think more. Edit post. Think more. Delete post in most cases."
Hell Chris, this is freakin *usenet*, not a graduate composition exam.
}This is the metaphenomenon that gave rise to the "Bailey Index"[1]. A
}poster was so enthusiastic about finding this beacon of intelligence
}that she chose to contribute to every single thread. Few people can
}contribute signal on that wide a range of topics. This leaves
}Possibility A: retelling endless anecdotes in the first person or
}Possibility H[2]: contributing a large batch of tepid one-liners.
:-)
}AFU welcomes both vices in moderation. There is another group --
}alt.fan.cecil-adams -- that welcomes those who cannot moderate their
}indulgence in either vice.
}
}A reflexive defensiveness at being called out for such excessive
}posting is normal and healthy. Being able to let go of that
}defensiveness is the difference between people who wind up becoming
}valued AFU denizens and those who find themselves zipping down the
}chute to AFCA.
What arrogant elitism [cue Brian]. Some might find this a more
offensive statement than anything Sylfoot has posted thus far.
Dr H
K.D.
"Dr H" <hiaw...@efn.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSU.4.21.010312...@garcia.efn.org...
>
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Chris Clarke wrote:
>
> }This group has seen [bignum] new posters. Ofttimes, when one appears in
> }the group and posts as frequently as you have upon arrival, said person
> }turns out to be resistant to the Usenet uber-FAQ: "Lurk. Think. Write
> }post. Think more. Edit post. Think more. Delete post in most cases."
Oh geeze, this makes me stick to my stomach. I guess Chris has bought the
party line well. I do remember his first assault of me, lo those many
months ago. It was pretty pathetic, as well.
-KD
Slyfoot
On the contrary, my good doctor. I believe I have made a cheerful
reference to you as "vermin". But, though you may be vermin, Dr.
SingleLetter, and a scurrilous cockroach at that, I have nevertheless
refrained from dousing you with my patented Borax solution because you
have been nice enough not to excrete on the cookies in my cookie jar.
I happen to like my cookies, and am willing to share them with anyone
with similar tastes. And although I can't show it in public, I'm
quite sure you have a pretty good idea that I'm smiling from time to
time when I drop a few cookie crumbs in your direction.
Sam "the cookie monster" Campbell
Lee Rudolph
>When I lived in Orlando there was no Disney World, and it didn't
>seem hot, nor did it seem humid, cockroach-infested, nor a haven
>for mosquitos. I guess all that has changed now that Disney has
>moved in.
Now, silly; since you've moved out. The cockroaches and
mosquitos knew they couldn't compete with the Antichrist.
Lee "the humidity is harder to fit into this theory, I admit"
Rudolph
Paul Tomblin
>pig 140% units
>you have: teaspoons
>you want: gallons
> * 1.302083e-03
> / 7.680000e+02
>
>So, around 1500 for two gallons. Although it seems to me that even
There is an easier way to do this, Brian:
piper:~> units
2112 units, 59 prefixes
You have: 2 gallons
You want: teaspoons
* 1536
/ 0.00065104167
You have: ^D
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last out the year." --Editor of business books for Prentice Hall, 1957.
Jay R. Ashworth
Dr H <hiaw...@efn.org> wrote:
> }A reflexive defensiveness at being called out for such excessive
> }posting is normal and healthy. Being able to let go of that
> }defensiveness is the difference between people who wind up becoming
> }valued AFU denizens and those who find themselves zipping down the
> }chute to AFCA.
>
> What arrogant elitism [cue Brian]. Some might find this a more
> offensive statement than anything Sylfoot has posted thus far.
Among them me.
For whatever that's worth.
This {s,c}ite <http://store.yahoo.com/moodypics/gaydisney1998.html>
attributes to Mike Eisner an assertion that 40% of Disney employees are
gay.
And here's that number again:
<http://www.rainbow-akron.com/whatsup/wu-33-02.htm>
Of course, that's from Rainbow, which some people would say is biased.
So we'll keep digging...
Here's another attribution to Eisner:
<http://www.afaar.org/disney_boycott_fact_sheet.htm>, and this one
names a vector, Elizabeth Birch, who comes up a lot in my searching.
In this Bob Andelman column <http://www.mrmedia.com/mrmedia/95/5.09.95.html>,
we get a pointer to an issue of Buzz magazine in which names are
named... and it also vectors the "Eisner 40%" assertion. But these
things aren't evidence...
And evidence seems, unsurprisingly, to be dificult to come by. The
closest I seem to be able to come to anything with attribution is this
quote from comments at The Free Republic
<http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a384e9c157f8a.htm>:
Elizabeth Birch, homosexual activist and executive director of the
Human Rights Campaign, told the Aspen Human Rights Summit II
in Colorado that she said to Michael Eisner, 30% of your employees
are gay, and he said, Youre wrong, Elizabeth. Its 40%. John
Dreyer of Disneys Corporate Communications office has officially
denied the veracity of Birchs quote, but Robert L.Williams,
president of Disneys homosexual employee group, agreed with the
estimate.
It seems fairly likely that Eisner did in fact say it, but I don't know
that we'll ever get a straight answer one way or the other.
It *would* appear, though, that the plonking might well have been
unjustified...
Cheers,
-- jra
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Evan Kirshenbaum
> In a previous article, b...@best.com (Brian Scearce) said:
> >pig 140% units
> >you have: teaspoons
> >you want: gallons
> > * 1.302083e-03
> > / 7.680000e+02
> >
> >So, around 1500 for two gallons. Although it seems to me that even
>
> There is an easier way to do this, Brian:
> piper:~> units
> 2112 units, 59 prefixes
>
> You have: 2 gallons
> You want: teaspoons
> * 1536
> / 0.00065104167
> You have: ^D
That's assuming US gallons and teaspoons. The UK gallon is about 20%
bigger (4.5459631 liters) and the _Macmillan Dictionary of
Measurement_ says that the European teaspoon is about 25% smaller
(3.625 ml), which would mean around 2,674 for two gallons.
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SOCCERNUMB
> He hasn't offended me, yet.
>
> Breathless with anticipation...
>
>Dr H
Me either, although I unintentionally offended him, with a much more direct
statement, too. However, I don't think I saw the word "PLONK" from him, did I?
And certainly not more than once. Is it true that if you write "PLONK"
repeatedly, the person automatically enters your killfile?
How does that work? Is it intuitive, or does the immediate preious poster get
"PLONKED"? Does the "PLONKEE" receive some other official notification?
Dr H, did I just inadvertently "PLONK" you into a killfile? There must be
some way to resurrect someone from such a "PLONKAGE".
I hope I don't get "PLONKED" for this...
SOCCER"nah, these guys all *say* they have a sense of humor and can laugh at
themselves"NUMB
Dr H, a smiley please...
Paul Tomblin
>ptom...@xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) writes:
>> piper:~> units
>> 2112 units, 59 prefixes
>>
>> You have: 2 gallons
>> You want: teaspoons
>> * 1536
>> / 0.00065104167
>> You have: ^D
>
>That's assuming US gallons and teaspoons. The UK gallon is about 20%
>bigger (4.5459631 liters) and the _Macmillan Dictionary of
>Measurement_ says that the European teaspoon is about 25% smaller
>(3.625 ml), which would mean around 2,674 for two gallons.
piper:~> units
2112 units, 59 prefixes
You have: 2 brgallons
You want: brtsp
* 1818.436
/ 0.00054992312
You have: 2 scotsgallon
You want: brtsp
* 5422.3362
/ 0.00018442235
You have: 2 irishgallon
You want: brtsp
* 1426.3234
/ 0.00070110327
You have:
What a stupid system.
--
Paul Tomblin <ptom...@xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
"The question of whether a computer can think is no more
interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim ."
E. W. Dijkstra
Meredith Robbins
> Rod Stewart was around WAY before punk rock. He was in a group called
> the faces and that had to be the late 60's and way before anybody ever
> knew what AIDS was.
<snip>
Rod Stewart was in a band before Wings?
Meredith "Whooooooooo! Spring Breeeeeeeak!" Robbins
--
"The magic of VELCRO fasteners unleashes your child's creativity!"
--Package text of VELCRO brand Puppet Magic craft kit
http://www.eclectricity.org | http://www.exileinnetville.com
Robert
# of employees in my office at Walt Disney World: 32
# of gay employees: 1.5 (There was one gal who said she experimented in
college)
Percentage: 4.6%
Now I have to go back to polishing Walt's frozen head.
"Drew Lawson" <dr...@furrfu.com> wrote in message
news:taq642e...@corp.supernews.com...
SOCCERNUMB
>
>AFU welcomes both vices in moderation. There is another group --
>alt.fan.cecil-adams -- that welcomes those who cannot moderate their
>indulgence in either vice.
>
>A reflexive defensiveness at being called out for such excessive
>posting is normal and healthy. Being able to let go of that
>defensiveness is the difference between people who wind up becoming
>valued AFU denizens and those who find themselves zipping down the
>chute to AFCA.
I think I understand now: There is an existing culture here in AFU, its not
better, its not worse. Those who do not wish to assimilate into that culture
should move to a group where the culture is more suited to their liking.
And promptly be called a lowlivian. And people aren't supposed to be offended
by this. And people who think this way aren't arrogant little pimps.
Because, after all, AFU is the cultural elite in Usenet. Don't we all just
recognize that? Jeez, AFCA people are the people who just can't cut it in AFU.
They are the ones who can't control themselves, after all. The cultural
elite-people here in AFU-are the ones who are able to let go of their
defensiveness when attacked for their transgressions. Well them and those who
are the elite of the elite, the "regulars" (Big Peckers), who actually do the
attacking.
Ofcourse I call them bullies and sycophants, but I'm just a redneck who
occasionally likes to peruse AFCA, so what do I know?
-end sarcastic tone
It truly boggles me that someone can write something like the above in a post
bitching about someone offending another group of people. And he was
*serious*.
Of course, for pointing this out, he'll likely run right past my point in order
to call me a "fuckwit" or some such.
After all, he's *elite*. (Oops, forget to tell you to turn on the sarcastic
tone again).
SOCCER"just a bumpkin"NUMB
K C Chan
wrote:
The irony in this post is just boggling. And on so many levels.
Wow. And totally uncontrived, too. I am totally flabbergasted. I
was about to plonk KD, but after this I think I just changed my mind.
K.C. "Wow." Chan
Slyfoot
wrote:
Very good Robert. I'm impressed that you've taken the time to make a
sampling of your office to come up with your statistics. I will
politely refer you to the statistics which have been posted elsewhere,
which seem to consistently give figures of 30% to 40%. The whole
process of polling people to find out if they are gay is rather
fascinating to me. How does one go about it scientifically, I wonder?
Consider the possibility, however remote, that your office might not
be a representative of all Disney Employees. Or that some people may
have been worried that you were hitting on them.
Sam "this whole thing has degenerated from a merry tale to a farce"
Brian Scearce
> The whole process of polling people to find out if they are gay is
> worried that you were hitting on them.
Interesting theory. It would certainly explain why I know so many
lesbians.
Brian "so very many" Scearce
Charles A Lieberman
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=<120320011129538860%ccl...@faultlinemag.org>
>AFU welcomes both vices in moderation. There is another group --
>alt.fan.cecil-adams -- that welcomes those who cannot moderate their
>indulgence in either vice.
Of course, they also talk about religion and politics there.
--
Charles A. Lieberman | "[O]ne of my cardinal rules for living to a ripe
Brooklyn, NY, USA | old age is 'Never Joke With Customs Agents.'"
No relation. | --Vicki Robinson (non-viral)
http://calieber.tripod.com/home.html
Brian Yeoh
> OK! I took a poll at the office today and this was what I came up with.
> # of employees in my office at Walt Disney World: 32
> # of gay employees: 1.5 (There was one gal who said she experimented in
> college)
> Percentage: 4.6%
> Now I have to go back to polishing Walt's frozen head.
The validity of responses may be called into question depending on polling
methods...
Brian "obfuscations r we" Yeoh
--
The Royal Navy demonstrates its knowledge of life's _priorities_.
"[...] grant him a pardon for anything save mutiny, sodomy and damaging
the paintwork."
-- Jack Aubrey; Patrick O'Brian; _The Ionian Mission_
Ron George
> This group has seen [bignum] new posters. Ofttimes, when one appears in
> the group and posts as frequently as you have upon arrival, said person
> turns out to be resistant to the Usenet uber-FAQ: "Lurk. Think. Write
> post. Think more. Edit post. Think more. Delete post in most cases."
>
> Chris Clarke | National Writers' Union member 132291
> ccl...@faultline.org |
Ron "new poster and lurking" George
K.D.
"SOCCERNUMB" <socce...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010312213205...@ng-ma1.aol.com...
>Well them and those who
> are the elite of the elite, the "regulars" (Big Peckers), who actually do
the
> attacking.
Big Peckers? Hmmm, I'm just guessing here, but I'd bet money that it's
exactly the other way around.
-KD
Slyfoot
As newbie to newbie, Ron, allow me to shout out a hearty "WELCOME!"
Here's a little advice I've formulated from being in the trenches for
a while:
You have joined a game, which can occassionally be vicious. Choose
your strategy well. Here are the three offensive strategies to adopt
if you happen to get picked on by an asshole:
A) The timid man will never ream out an asshole.
B) The aggressive man will ream out an asshole only when he has to.
C) The arrogant man will ream out an asshole at every opportunity--
then lick his lips with satisfaction.
I've taken great pains to adopt strategy B). I don't particularly
enjoy reaming out assholes, because the taste isn't really to my
liking. But some people in this froup enjoy it so much, I'm
considering marketing a new product called AFU Fecal-Flavored
Chapstick... for those agonizingly dull moments when the meanyheads
can't find an asshole to ream out.
As for defense strategy:
A) Tape a very large tack over your rectum. Be sure it's positioned
the correct way.
B) Read the FAQ. Follow the peculiar customs of the tribe.
C) And... oh yes: Be sure everyone knows you are serious about
discussing Urban Legends. Even the most hardened of the meanyheads
will forgive your mistakes if you establish your credibility.
Sam "rolling out the welcome wagon" Campbell
Madeleine Page
> You probably have offended a few more with your snipping of
> the attribution. Ray who? Is that 'no secret', supposedly? Your
> assertation was unsupported. It still is. So fuck you. You intend to
> offend as many as possible. You admitted that long ago.
Whoa, Casady. Get *off* that high horse for a second, would you?
I'm not quite sure what Ray Depew read into SlyFoot's comment, but
whatever it was I didn't see SlyFoot as being offensive or homophobic in
what he wrote. Then again, Ray is definitely not someone prone to angry
posts unless extremely provoked, so either I've failed to spot what was
offensive or there's been a miscue between Ray and SlyFoot.
Your intemperate response doesn't help one bit, and is aimed at someone
who -- given the recent return of Kompletely Dense, the continued presence
of Dreadfully Haemorrhoidal and the unholy alliance of these two with
JerryG and SOCCERNUMB -- is a relatively welcome presence.
The secret to a good spanking is not merely wit, it's having chosen the
right object to aim at. You miss on both counts here.
Madeleine "how about we all take a deeeeep breath and back away from this
thread?" Page
--
Visit my home page! Sign my imaginary guestbook!
www.mpage.net
Ray Depew
: It *would* appear, though, that the plonking might well have been
: unjustified...
You may be right. I wasn't bothered by the pro- or anti-gay slant of what
Slyfoot said. What bugged me was the ... oh, what were his words? "... And
of course, it's commonly known ..."? I think that was it.
"Of course", nothing. "Of course" is a throwaway phrase that invites the
reader to join with the writer in taking for granted whatever the writer is
about to assert. I watched an attorney use this technique effectively at
a recent planning commission meeting.
And the phrase "It's commonly known" is a red flag, especially on AFU. When
it's followed by a not-so-commonly-known assertion on one side or the other of
an inflammatory issue, it begs a flame war. One example is the chaos that
follows whenever someone on Usenet says "It's commonly known that flass glows
and that's why old windows are insert-characteristic-here." Another example
was the abovementioned attorney, who managed to paint the inhabitants of a
local foster home in the darkest hue with phrases like "it's commonly known".
The phrase "It's commonly known" demands -- or at least invites -- readers to
see the emperor's new clothes. Those who are unaware of the stated common
knowledge must choose between pretending to know it (or at least accepting it
on blind faith) and professing their ignorance. Few people will challenge the
stated common knowledge.
Jay Ashworth, blessizzart, cited several sources that lend some support to
Slyfoot's assertion that a "good percentage" of Disney employees are gay.
Whether the number is 30% or 40%, that's a "good percentage", if it's true.
But I don't think one can conclude "it's commonly known". I don't know how
many people read _Rainbow_, for example, and as Jay pointed out, many of the
sources he found are biased or are merely parroting another source.
A lot of damaging falsehoods are spread with a simple preface like "of
course it's commonly known".
Gimme a few days to reconsider my plonking and my characterizations of
Mr. Slyfoot.
--
Regards
Ray
Drew Lawson
j...@baylink.com writes:
> Elizabeth Birch, homosexual activist and executive director of the
> Human Rights Campaign, told the Aspen Human Rights Summit II
> in Colorado that she said to Michael Eisner, 30% of your employees
> are gay, and he said, Youre wrong, Elizabeth. Its 40%. John
> Dreyer of Disneys Corporate Communications office has officially
> denied the veracity of Birchs quote, but Robert L.Williams,
> president of Disneys homosexual employee group, agreed with the
> estimate.
>
>It seems fairly likely that Eisner did in fact say it, but I don't know
>that we'll ever get a straight answer one way or the other.
At most, I see it as likely that Birch said this. Even if Eisner
said it, I don't see any reason to think that he wasn't just pulling
a number out of the air.
If your claim is that it is widely believed that Disney has lots
of gay employees, I'd say you have a good case. Unless there is
some information collecting done, though, I doubt that even Disney
knows how many employees really are gay.
>It *would* appear, though, that the plonking might well have been
>unjustified...
I assumed that the plonking was based on general principles, with
this thread being a last straw.
Drew "but maybe I'm projecting" Lawson
--
Drew Lawson http://www.furrfu.com/ dr...@furrfu.com
"Please understand that we are considerably less interested
in you than you are."
-- Madeleine Page, on the deep truths of alt.folklore.urban
Ray Depew
: Jay R. Ashworth (j...@dorothy.msas.net) wrote:
: : It *would* appear, though, that the plonking might well have been
: : unjustified...
: You may be right. I wasn't bothered by the pro- or anti-gay slant of what
: Slyfoot said. What bugged me was the ... oh, what were his words? "... And
: of course, it's commonly known ..."? I think that was it.
[...]
Please replace all occurrences of "It's commonly known" with "It's no secret"
in my previous posting. The rest of the posting still makes sense with the
substitution, including the bit about the Emperor's New Clothes and the
glowing flass.
Considering the latency of Usenet, I suspect that some people won't see this
correction and will call me on my misquoting. I can live with it.
--
Regards again
Ray
Gerald Belton
wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:34:07 GMT, "Ron George"
><ronR...@rongeorge.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>> This group has seen [bignum] new posters. Ofttimes, when one appears in
>>> the group and posts as frequently as you have upon arrival, said person
>>> turns out to be resistant to the Usenet uber-FAQ: "Lurk. Think. Write
>>> post. Think more. Edit post. Think more. Delete post in most cases."
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Clarke | National Writers' Union member 132291
>>> ccl...@faultline.org |
>>
>>Ron "new poster and lurking" George
>
>As newbie to newbie, Ron, allow me to shout out a hearty "WELCOME!"
>Here's a little advice I've formulated from being in the trenches for
>a while:
Bwahahahahahahahah!
Gerald "been in the trenches for a while" Belton
--
http://www.beltonphoto.com
Photography for the performing arts.
Gallery of Jazz Photography -- NEW! Buy prints on-line.
Gerald Belton
wrote:
>As newbie to newbie, Ron, allow me to shout out a hearty "WELCOME!"
>Here's a little advice I've formulated from being in the trenches for
>a while:
As I said before, "Bwahahahaha!" You're a newbie...
>You have joined a game, which can occassionally be vicious.
And this explains everything we need to know about you, Mr. Slyfoot.
People who have joined a *conversation* tend to enjoy their stay in
AFU. People who have joined a *game* are merely a nuisance to those
of us attempting to enjoy our conversation.
Gerald "can't lose if you don't play" Belton
Slyfoot
And another quick piece of advice. Don't respond to this thead. It
deserves to die a slow, painful, unnatural death.
Sam "just saw madeleine's suggestion and seeing it's wisdom" Campbell
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:58:12 GMT, sly...@bellsouth.net (Slyfoot)
wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:34:07 GMT, "Ron George"
Slyfoot
Dear George:
I would like to take a quick moment to point out that, having read the
Holiest of Holy FAQs, it is written that this is NOT a conversation.
I may be a newbie, sir, but apparently I've memorized your gospel
better than you.
Sam "leave it alone, George, leave it alone" Campbell
Deborah Stevenson
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Slyfoot wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:53:55 GMT, ger...@beltonphoto.com (Gerald
> Belton) wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:58:12 GMT, sly...@bellsouth.net (Slyfoot)
> >wrote:
> >
> >>You have joined a game, which can occassionally be vicious.
> >
> >And this explains everything we need to know about you, Mr. Slyfoot.
> >
> >People who have joined a *conversation* tend to enjoy their stay in
> >AFU. People who have joined a *game* are merely a nuisance to those
> >of us attempting to enjoy our conversation.
>
> Dear George:
Who?
> I would like to take a quick moment to point out that, having read the
> Holiest of Holy FAQs, it is written that this is NOT a conversation.
I've just checked, and I'm not seeing it. In the Style Guide, Simon says
that this is not a chat room, and it is not a *real-time* conversation.
That's not the same thing as not a conversation, and he alludes to threads
as "conversations" positively in another part; the point is that
people aren't waiting around for you to answer, and threads, even threads
you've started, are complete without your reply. There was no use of the
word "conversation" in the big FAQs.
Perhaps you're also thinking of his delightful injunction, "Don't play the
man. Don't even play the ball. Play the game." That is, of course,
metaphoric. It's not a game, there is no ball, and not everybody here is
a man. It's using common sports vernacular to assist people in
understanding the gestalt of the group.
> I may be a newbie, sir, but apparently I've memorized your gospel
> better than you.
I may well have missed something, so please feel free to quote the
relevant bit if I have. I'm thinking, however, that memory has, as it
often does, been eagerly obliging in the face of a disappointing reality.
Deborah Stevenson
(stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Dan Hartung
news:3aad17b2....@news.mco.bellsouth.net...
> Sigh... okay. The point I was trying to make originally had more to
> do with the whole controversy over Disney's Gay Day and a silly joke
> about "Gay Bud" than it did about the exact percentage of gay people
> who work at Disney World.
Ouch. Doesn't backpedalling that fast hurt?
I've had gay friends and straight friends
> tell me many times that the Entertainment Staff and Animation Staff
> does in fact have a disproportionate number of gay people. It is
> possible that they were lying or exaggerating, thus giving rise to
> what could be an erroneous perception. Perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps
> the number of gays at Disney is no greater than in any other large
> corporation.
Careful, you'll get your pants leg caught in the gears.
Dan "Unless, of course, you're wearing GAY pants" Hartung
Dr H
On 13 Mar 2001, SOCCERNUMB wrote:
}>Dr H hiaw...@efn.org
}
}> He hasn't offended me, yet.
}>
}> Breathless with anticipation...
}>
}>Dr H
}
}Me either, although I unintentionally offended him, with a much more direct
}statement, too. However, I don't think I saw the word "PLONK" from him, did I?
} And certainly not more than once. Is it true that if you write "PLONK"
}repeatedly, the person automatically enters your killfile?
}
}How does that work? Is it intuitive, or does the immediate preious poster get
}"PLONKED"? Does the "PLONKEE" receive some other official notification?
}
}Dr H, did I just inadvertently "PLONK" you into a killfile? There must be
}some way to resurrect someone from such a "PLONKAGE".
Some of us just keep coming back...
}I hope I don't get "PLONKED" for this...
}
}SOCCER"nah, these guys all *say* they have a sense of humor and can laugh at
}themselves"NUMB
}
}Dr H, a smiley please...
oooooooooooooooooo
OO OO
OO OO
OO ** ** OO
OO @ @ OO
OO / OO
OO /__ OO
OO \ / OO
OO \ \ - - - - / / OO
OO \ _ _ _ _ _/ OO
OO OO
oooooooooooooooo
Dr H
Dr H
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Slyfoot wrote:
}On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:38:57 -0800, Dr H <hiaw...@efn.org> wrote:
}
}>On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Casady wrote:
}>}
}>}You probably have offended a few more with your snipping of
}>}the attribution. Ray who? Is that 'no secret', supposedly? Your
}>}assertation was unsupported. It still is. So fuck you. You intend to
}>}offend as many as possible. You admitted that long ago.
}>
}> He hasn't offended me, yet.
}>
}> Breathless with anticipation...
}>
}
}On the contrary, my good doctor. I believe I have made a cheerful
}reference to you as "vermin". But, though you may be vermin, Dr.
}SingleLetter, and a scurrilous cockroach at that,
But you see, Slyfoot, compared to some of the things I've been called
by excitable afuski over the past couple of years, "vermin" and
"cockroach" are positively terms of endearment.
}I have nevertheless
}refrained from dousing you with my patented Borax solution because you
}have been nice enough not to excrete on the cookies in my cookie jar.
}I happen to like my cookies, and am willing to share them with anyone
}with similar tastes. And although I can't show it in public, I'm
}quite sure you have a pretty good idea that I'm smiling from time to
}time when I drop a few cookie crumbs in your direction.
Point well taken. ;-)
Dr H
Dr H
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Charles A Lieberman wrote:
}Chris Clarke Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:29:55 GMT
}http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=<120320011129538860%ccl...@faultlinemag.org>
}>AFU welcomes both vices in moderation. There is another group --
}>alt.fan.cecil-adams -- that welcomes those who cannot moderate their
}>indulgence in either vice.
}
}Of course, they also talk about religion and politics there.
Not to mention circumcision.
Dr H
Phil Edwards
<stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>Perhaps you're also thinking of his delightful injunction, "Don't play the
>man. Don't even play the ball. Play the game." That is, of course,
>metaphoric. It's not a game, there is no ball, and not everybody here is
>a man.
Hey, Deborah, stop rocking the boat!
Phil "it's a small Usenet after all" Edwards
--
Phil Edwards http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/amroth/
"This is just my opinion, and I look back and realise it does little
to answer your question." - Daniel Ucko waxes reflective
Daniel Ucko
['advising' newbies when he himself is but one. Even I did not have
this audacity, in the old days when my thesis was not...shut up, Dan.]
>
>As for defense strategy:
>
>A) Tape a very large tack over your rectum. Be sure it's positioned
>the correct way.
But...surely then you will just become full of shit, over time?
Daniel 'or spout it through your mouth^Wkeyboard' Ucko
SOCCERNUMB
>}themselves"NUMB
>}
>}Dr H, a smiley please...
>
>
> oooooooooooooooooo
> OO OO
> OO OO
> OO ** ** OO
> OO @ @ OO
> OO / OO
> OO /__ OO
> OO \ / OO
> OO \ \ - - - - / / OO
> OO \ _ _ _ _ _/ OO
> OO OO
> oooooooooooooooo
>
>Dr H
>
WOW!
Karen J. Cravens
<3aae3fc6....@news.mco.bellsouth.net>:
>C) And... oh yes: Be sure everyone knows you are serious about
>discussing Urban Legends. Even the most hardened of the meanyheads
>will forgive your mistakes if you establish your credibility.
IHNTA, I just read it as "establish your credulity."
--
Karen J. Cravens
"8:11 PM. A caller on Aldershon Drive reported a UFO was above his home."
Police reports, The Weekly Vista (Bella Vista, AR)
Ron George
"Daniel Ucko" <d.u...@physics.org> wrote in message
news:3aaeb4ed.1981620@localhost...
http://www.snopes2.com/toxins/fecal.htm
Ron "Sorry, I couldn't resist slyfoot" George
JerryG
>Casady <rca...@uswest.net> blathered:
<snip>
>Your intemperate response doesn't help one bit, and is aimed at someone
>who -- given the recent return of Kompletely Dense, the continued presence
>of Dreadfully Haemorrhoidal and the unholy alliance of these two with
>JerryG and SOCCERNUMB -- is a relatively welcome presence.
And with Dr H, that completes the triumvirate. But K.D. is back as well, so
that makes it a, um, er, quadrumvirate?! I suppose that you must belong to
the "holey" alliance of the AFU elite. A motley conglomeration of ice
weasels, sewer dogs and swamp rats, drinking from the magic well of
meanyheadedness and pooping all over their pedantic little world. How
pathetic!
>The secret to a good spanking is not merely wit, it's having chosen the
>right object to aim at. You miss on both counts here.
That's not an unusual occurrence on this froup. I think the lot of you
should
go back and take "invective flinging 101." The aim around here is about as
precise as an inertial guidance system that just lost its third gyro.
Jerry "furrfu, with a flying frosted... whatever" G
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K.D.
"JerryG" <storm...@MailAndNews.com> wrote in message
>
> And with Dr H, that completes the triumvirate. But K.D. is back as well,
so
> that makes it a, um, er, quadrumvirate?!
Sounds kinky to me! Just the way I like it.
-KD
Ron George
"JerryG" <storm...@MailAndNews.com> wrote in message
> >===== Original Message From Madeleine Page <mp...@mpage.net> =====
> That's not an unusual occurrence on this froup. I think the lot of you
> should
> go back and take "invective flinging 101." The aim around here is about
as
> precise as an inertial guidance system that just lost its third gyro.
>
> Jerry "furrfu, with a flying frosted... whatever" G
>
Madeleine is just trying to prevent a flame war. Maybe the reason that you
and KD are not very well liked is that neither of you know how to heed good
advice when its given?
Ron "Gets on the Clue Train Manifesto" George
JerryG
Cite? The only advice I ever read is "shut the $*!# up, you whinger," or
"we
don't care about yer, whatever", or "blah, blah, blah" and "yada, yada,
yada."
I've come to the conclusion that AFU flame war aversion therapy is only
practiced when politically expedient, not because it's the right thing to
do.
When I first started posting to this froup, I tried to fit in, but some of
the
meanyheads swooped down and let fly a few choice b1rd droppings. How was I
supposed to know it was a "newbie roast." These precision bombing raids
were
totally unwarrented and unprovoked. Now, I just say "fine, I want more
b1rdies to poop on my head." I don't give a frosted flying swamp rat's
posterior any more. I'm yer worst friggin' nightmare, an intelligent,
articulate, undesireable, with attitude. I'm here, I'm sincere, get used to
it.
>Ron "Gets on the Clue Train Manifesto" George
Jerry "Can I buy a vowel?[1]" G
1. Who the hell is this guy anyway, a bootlicker with two first names?
Leo G Simonetta
<storm...@MailAndNews.com> wrote:
>When I first started posting to this froup, I tried to fit in, but some of
>the
>meanyheads swooped down and let fly a few choice b1rd droppings. How was I
>supposed to know it was a "newbie roast." These precision bombing raids
>were
>totally unwarrented and unprovoked. Now, I just say "fine, I want more
>b1rdies to poop on my head." I don't give a frosted flying swamp rat's
>posterior any more.
If this isn't a good reason for everyone except those who like
poking small animals in a cage with a stick to killfile JerryG I
don't know what is.
>I'm yer worst friggin' nightmare, an intelligent,
>articulate, undesireable, with attitude. I'm here, I'm sincere, get used to
>it.
Though this is almost funny enough to redeem him. Almost.
Leo 'refilling the killfile' Simonetta
--
Leo G. Simonetta
lsimo...@my-dejanews.com
The AFU FAQ is carefully hidden at http://www.urbanlegends.com
Lizz Holmans
<storm...@MailAndNews.com> writes
> I've come to the conclusion that AFU flame war aversion therapy is only
>practiced when politically expedient, not because it's the right thing to
>do.
>When I first started posting to this froup, I tried to fit in, but some of
>the
>meanyheads swooped down and let fly a few choice b1rd droppings. How was I
>supposed to know it was a "newbie roast." These precision bombing raids
>were
>totally unwarrented and unprovoked. Now, I just say "fine, I want more
>b1rdies to poop on my head." I don't give a frosted flying swamp rat's
>posterior any more. I'm yer worst friggin' nightmare, an intelligent,
>articulate, undesireable, with attitude. I'm here, I'm sincere, get used to
>it.
Whine, whine, whine. You never change. You also are the world's worst
biter on troll hooks--knee-jerk Jerry, the predictable prick.
Listen, bub, you are hardly my worst friggin' nightmare. A friend of
mine was raped and murdered the other day. You are merely an unsightly
pimple.
You have the pride of Lucifer and the manners to match.
>
>>Ron "Gets on the Clue Train Manifesto" George
>
>Jerry "Can I buy a vowel?[1]" G
>
>1. Who the hell is this guy anyway, a bootlicker with two first names?
Oh, a *name* flame. How cute.
Lizz 'get used to the killfile, you unregenerate little toad' Holmans
--
Lizz Holmans
Dr H
On 13 Mar 2001, Madeleine Page wrote:
}Whoa, Casady. Get *off* that high horse for a second, would you?
}
}I'm not quite sure what Ray Depew read into SlyFoot's comment, but
}whatever it was I didn't see SlyFoot as being offensive or homophobic in
}what he wrote. Then again, Ray is definitely not someone prone to angry
}posts unless extremely provoked, so either I've failed to spot what was
}offensive or there's been a miscue between Ray and SlyFoot.
}
}Your intemperate response doesn't help one bit,
Your plea for moderation is appreciated, Madeleine,
}and is aimed at someone
}who -- given the recent return of Kompletely Dense, the continued presence
}of Dreadfully Haemorrhoidal and the unholy alliance of these two with
}JerryG and SOCCERNUMB -- is a relatively welcome presence.
Uh uh: there is no Kabal. :-)
Dr H
Dr H
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Ray Depew wrote:
}Jay R. Ashworth (j...@dorothy.msas.net) wrote:
}
}: It *would* appear, though, that the plonking might well have been
}: unjustified...
}
}You may be right. I wasn't bothered by the pro- or anti-gay slant of what
}Slyfoot said. What bugged me was the ... oh, what were his words? "... And
}of course, it's commonly known ..."? I think that was it.
}
}"Of course", nothing. "Of course" is a throwaway phrase that invites the
}reader to join with the writer in taking for granted whatever the writer is
}about to assert.
Of course it is.
}I watched an attorney use this technique effectively at
}a recent planning commission meeting.
}
}And the phrase "It's commonly known" is a red flag, especially on AFU. When
}it's followed by a not-so-commonly-known assertion on one side or the other of
}an inflammatory issue, it begs a flame war.
You mean, like the commonly known (among afuski) assertion that you can
get to know somebody better from reading a few of their Usenet posts than
you can from meeting them in person?
Or do you mean like the commonly know (among afuski) assertion that it's
that meeting someone in person for the first time whom you have only
previously known online is much safer than meeting a stranger in person?
[snip, glass flows from attorneys]
}
}The phrase "It's commonly known" demands -- or at least invites -- readers to
}see the emperor's new clothes.
Indeed. But so often not only the emperor, but his entire retinue contine
to insist that *they* see the clothes. Where have we seen than happen
lately?
}Those who are unaware of the stated common
}knowledge must choose between pretending to know it (or at least accepting it
}on blind faith) and professing their ignorance. Few people will challenge the
}stated common knowledge.
Especially if the statement comes from a 'hat'.
}Jay Ashworth, blessizzart, cited several sources that lend some support to
}Slyfoot's assertion that a "good percentage" of Disney employees are gay.
}Whether the number is 30% or 40%, that's a "good percentage", if it's true.
}But I don't think one can conclude "it's commonly known".
If it wasn't before, it is now. By recent afu standards, anyway.
[...]
}A lot of damaging falsehoods are spread with a simple preface like "of
}course it's commonly known".
Imagine that.
}Gimme a few days to reconsider my plonking and my characterizations of
}Mr. Slyfoot.
Take all the time you like, Ray. We'll be here when you get back. :-)
Dr H
Dr H
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Deborah Stevenson wrote:
}Perhaps you're also thinking of his delightful injunction, "Don't play the
}man. Don't even play the ball. Play the game." That is, of course,
}metaphoric. It's not a game, there is no ball, and not everybody here is
}a man. It's using common sports vernacular to assist people in
}understanding the gestalt of the group.
He didn't mean it literally? Damn! Wish somebody had told me.
OTOH, it's never too late to *make* it a game, eh? :-)
Dr H
Dr H
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Gerald Belton wrote:
}On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:58:12 GMT, sly...@bellsouth.net (Slyfoot)
}wrote:
}
}>As newbie to newbie, Ron, allow me to shout out a hearty "WELCOME!"
}>Here's a little advice I've formulated from being in the trenches for
}>a while:
}
}As I said before, "Bwahahahaha!" You're a newbie...
}
}>You have joined a game, which can occassionally be vicious.
}
}And this explains everything we need to know about you, Mr. Slyfoot.
}
}People who have joined a *conversation* tend to enjoy their stay in
}AFU. People who have joined a *game* are merely a nuisance to those
}of us attempting to enjoy our conversation.
Yeah, Slyfoot. How dare you make a game out of this.
This is *serious* stuff that we do here. ;-(
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
<snort>
.
.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
8-D
Dr H
Dr H
Cool; let's invite Dave G. and Scratchie, too. :-)
Dr H
Dr H
Who says they're not well liked?
Hi, Ron! ;-)
Dr H
Dr H
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Lizz Holmans wrote:
}Whine, whine, whine. You never change. You also are the world's worst
[blah blah blah...]
Ever notice how some of the biggest whines around here are about
/other/ people's alleged whining?
Dr H
Dr H
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, JerryG wrote:
}I don't give a frosted flying swamp rat's posterior any more. I'm yer
}worst friggin' nightmare, an intelligent, articulate, undesireable, with
}attitude. I'm here, I'm sincere, get used to it.
Ooh! I /am/ tempted to start using .sigs. ;-)
Dr H
Terence Smith
"JerryG" <storm...@MailAndNews.com> wrote in message
> >===== Original Message From "Ron George" <ronR...@rongeorge.com> =====
> I've come to the conclusion that AFU flame war aversion therapy is only
> practiced when politically expedient, not because it's the right thing to
> do.
`Politically expedient' sounds like some jargon term for `against people not
well liked'. I can't think of a better reason.
If it has taken you *this* long to realise that group dynamics correlate
highly with group dynamics, then I reject the null hypothesis - that you do
think - and will merrily re-furbishing my new kill-file.
Bye.
K.D.
"Dr H" <hiaw...@efn.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSU.4.21.010314...@garcia.efn.org...
>
> Ever notice how some of the biggest whines around here are about
> /other/ people's alleged whining?
I was going to try to insert (meaning that in the nicest way possible)
something about moaning instead of whining, but I just didn't think most
people would get it.
-KD
SOCCERNUMB
>On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Ray Depew wrote:
>
>}Jay R. Ashworth (j...@dorothy.msas.net) wrote:
>}: It *would* appear, though, that the plonking might well have been
>}: unjustified...
>}
>}You may be right. I wasn't bothered by the pro- or anti-gay slant of what
>}Slyfoot said. What bugged me was the ... oh, what were his words? "... And
>
>}of course, it's commonly known ..."? I think that was it.
>}
>}"Of course", nothing. "Of course" is a throwaway phrase that invites the
>}reader to join with the writer in taking for granted whatever the writer is
>}about to assert.
>
> Of course it is.
>
>}I watched an attorney use this technique effectively at
>}a recent planning commission meeting.
>}
>}And the phrase "It's commonly known" is a red flag, especially on AFU. When
>}it's followed by a not-so-commonly-known assertion on one side or the other
>of
>}an inflammatory issue, it begs a flame war.
>
> You mean, like the commonly known (among afuski) assertion that you can
> get to know somebody better from reading a few of their Usenet posts than
> you can from meeting them in person?
>
> Or do you mean like the commonly know (among afuski) assertion that it's
> that meeting someone in person for the first time whom you have only
> previously known online is much safer than meeting a stranger in person?
"Of course, there are certain posting guidelines that you all must follow.
It's commonly known what they are, you fuckwit."
SOCCER"of course, there are differing points of view"NUMB
John Francis
Phil Edwards <amr...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:36:59 -0600, "K.D." <kaye...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:>>> Heh, I always wonder why anyone thinks that someone would be bothered
>>> about being killfiled by someone who obviously doesn't like them, and
>>> only responds to their posts to fling insults?
>>>
>>> Mind boggling...
>>
>>Another one of those imponderables. Except in *my* case, I actually really
>>don't read 99% of the posts by certain persons, so I have no idea what
>>they're saying about me or anyone else.
>
>Hey, why don't we set up a little subgroup for Jerry and Dr H and KD,
>where they can read one another's posts and not bother the rest of us?
>
>Oh, but they already have.
>
>Phil "that was easy" Edwards
And if only those who should know better could refrain from following up
to posts from the peanut gallery, their witterings would be contained.
--
John "IHNTA - IJLS 'witterings'" Francis
Charles A Lieberman
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=<3AC0...@MailAndNews.com>
>When I first started posting to this froup, I tried to fit in
Really? Must've been before my time.
--
Charles A. Lieberman | "French people are so weird."
Brooklyn, New York, USA | -Meredith Robbins
http://calieber.tripod.com/home.html
No relation.
SOCCERNUMB
>On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:36:59 -0600, "K.D." <kaye...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Dr H" <hiaw...@efn.org> wrote in message
>>>
>>> Heh, I always wonder why anyone thinks that someone would be bothered
>>> about being killfiled by someone who obviously doesn't like them, and
>>> only responds to their posts to fling insults?
>>>
>>> Mind boggling...
>>
>>Another one of those imponderables. Except in *my* case, I actually really
>>don't read 99% of the posts by certain persons, so I have no idea what
>>they're saying about me or anyone else.
>
>Hey, why don't we set up a little subgroup for Jerry and Dr H and KD,
>where they can read one another's posts and not bother the rest of us?
>
>Oh, but they already have.
>
>Phil "that was easy" Edwards
>--
>Phil Edwards
Hey, why don't we set up a little subgroup for arrogant people who think that
because *they* don't like someone, no one does or shoud. And, no, it isn't
AFU. It is the perception of some that this is the case, but they are blinded
and their intellectual growth stunted by their refusal to accept that someone
who isn't just like them can be intelligent.
SOCCER"in a few cases, being just like them and intelligent discourse are
mutually exclusive"NUMB
The OTHER Ed in the Chicago area
Dr H
On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Edward A. Dimmick wrote:
}"K.D." wrote:
}>
}> Another one of those imponderables. Except in *my* case, I actually really
}> don't read 99% of the posts by certain persons, so I have no idea what
}> they're saying about me or anyone else.
}>
}Surprised you can read anything with those little button eyes...
}
}Nice to know H can type with his toes though.
}
}-Ed "Oh DARN how did that slip out" Dimmick
I have talents you can't even imagine, Ed. :-)
Dr H
McCaffertA
(SOCCERNUMB) writes:
>Hey, why don't we set up a little subgroup for arrogant people who think that
>because *they* don't like someone, no one does or shoud.
But you have, already, without even noticing it.
Anthony "and say "hi" to Mammalina for me, too" McCafferty
Viv
:"Dr H" <hiaw...@efn.org> wrote in message
:>
:> Heh, I always wonder why anyone thinks that someone would be bothered
:> about being killfiled by someone who obviously doesn't like them, and
:> only responds to their posts to fling insults?
:>
:> Mind boggling...
:Another one of those imponderables. Except in *my* case, I actually really
:don't read 99% of the posts by certain persons, so I have no idea what
:they're saying about me or anyone else.
I think this has been mentioned by others in the past, but it seems
somewhat odd behaviour to killfile the vast majority of the regulars
in a newsgroup yet continue to read it.
The feel of a newsgroup is all about the culture resulting from the
group dynamics. Without full experience of the group dynamics due to
her filters, certain posts that KD does read must seem like bolts from
the blue, a weird sort of performance art ASCII with some of the
performers wearing camouflage suits (the Invisible Afuisti) so that
the visible performers seem to be presenting a never-ending series of
non-sequiturs.
I presume this sort of USENet mime performance must have its charm for
her as she has hung around (off and on) for so long, but it does seem
a very strange sort of spectator sport - 'pure' lurkers are like
anthropologists, but an infrequent poster who filters most of the
regulars...I can't quite come up with the perfect analogy.
Lurking on afu-lite (or the lite-filtered version of any other
newsgroup) seems to be even more pointless than the moderately
pointless hobby of participating in USENet non-technical forums at
all. Why don't you and your buddies just send a new-group message to
the mandarins at alt.config for alt.folklore.urban.is.lame and get on
with forming a new culture with the fellow-minded?
Vivienne "USENet: CB radio for the third millennium" Smythe
--
I mean, it's not up there with orgasm, or television, but it has its
amusement value all the same. ~ Charles Lieberman
K.D.
"SOCCERNUMB" <socce...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010314223529...@ng-mn1.aol.com...
> >and the unholy alliance of these two with
> >JerryG and SOCCERNUMB -- is a relatively welcome presence.
>
> Kabal...
Not only a Kabal, but an unholy one at that! But, hey -- those types are
usually more fun, anyway!
-KD
Phil Gustafson
>
>Cite? The only advice I ever read is "shut the $*!# up, you whinger," or
>"we
>don't care about yer, whatever", or "blah, blah, blah" and "yada, yada,
>yada."
> I've come to the conclusion that AFU flame war aversion therapy is only
>practiced when politically expedient, not because it's the right thing to
>do.
>When I first started posting to this froup, I tried to fit in, but some of
>the
>meanyheads swooped down and let fly a few choice b1rd droppings. How was I
>supposed to know it was a "newbie roast." These precision bombing raids
>were
>totally unwarrented and unprovoked. Now, I just say "fine, I want more
>b1rdies to poop on my head." I don't give a frosted flying swamp rat's
>posterior any more. I'm yer worst friggin' nightmare, an intelligent,
>articulate, undesireable, with attitude. I'm here, I'm sincere, get used to
>it.
>
Ph.
--
))
(( Phil Gustafson Urban Legends FAQ: http://www.urbanlegends.com
C|~~| Java FAQ: http://www.afu.com
`--' <ph...@panix.com>
Dr H
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, K.D. wrote:
}
}"Dr H" <hiaw...@efn.org> wrote:
}>
}> Ever notice how some of the biggest whines around here are about
}> /other/ people's alleged whining?
}
}I was going to try to insert (meaning that in the nicest way possible)
}something about moaning instead of whining, but I just didn't think most
}people would get it.
Perhaps we could substitute "whinging", for our non-US friends.
Dr H
Dr H
But isn't Maddy violating the BoR by calling it "unholy".
Calling the BoR cops!
Dr H
Dr H
Heh, I always wonder why anyone thinks that someone would be bothered
about being killfiled by someone who obviously doesn't like them, and
only responds to their posts to fling insults?
Mind boggling...
Dr H
Dr H
On 15 Mar 2001, SOCCERNUMB wrote:
}"Of course, there are certain posting guidelines that you all must follow.
}It's commonly known what they are, you fuckwit."
Thus elevating the dialog to the 10th grade level.
;-)
Dr H
K.D.
> about being killfiled by someone who obviously doesn't like them, and
> only responds to their posts to fling insults?
>
> Mind boggling...
Another one of those imponderables. Except in *my* case, I actually really
don't read 99% of the posts by certain persons, so I have no idea what
they're saying about me or anyone else.
-KD
SOCCERNUMB
I think "I am your worst nightmare. I am a (fill in the blank)" is meant
somewhat metaphorically, and is most certainly situational. In this case, I am
certain that Jerry G did not mean to imply anything beyond this group. I
certainly don't think it is necessary to compare him to Lucifer.
I am sorry to hear about your friend. I hope her family and friends are able
to cope.
SOCCERNUMB
SOCCERNUMB
"PLONK"
SOCCER"just kidding"NUMB
SOCCERNUMB
Well, that really messes up my plan to hold our next meeting in a church
basement.
Should we all bring a dish to the next kabal meeting?
SOCCER"and we can kibitz"NUMB
Edward A. Dimmick
>
>
> Another one of those imponderables. Except in *my* case, I actually really
> don't read 99% of the posts by certain persons, so I have no idea what
> they're saying about me or anyone else.
>
K.D.
"SOCCERNUMB" <socce...@aol.com> wrote in >
> I think "I am your worst nightmare. I am a (fill in the blank)" is meant
> somewhat metaphorically, and is most certainly situational. In this case,
I am
> certain that Jerry G did not mean to imply anything beyond this group. I
> certainly don't think it is necessary to compare him to Lucifer.
>
> I am sorry to hear about your friend. I hope her family and friends are
able
> to cope.
I am sorry about her friend, as well, but I do think that Lizz is
overreacting to Jerry's remark in a big way. No, make that a huge way. I
had a few pretty sucky tragedies this past year, but I don't recall taking
it out on other people like that.
-KD