Taste of Oral Sex: Vegans vs Meat Eaters
Furi Geller
during oral sex. I searched alt.folklore.urban with "oral sex
vegetarian" keywords and there hasn't been a thread on this, only a
mention over a decade ago.
What's the current thinking on this, and can someone knowledgable go
in to detail about the taste difference, if any. Thanks.
Furi G.
Steve Howarth
"Furi Geller" <furi_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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What's wrong with doing a bit of first-hand research yourself?
Steve Howarth
Mr. Wizard
It was the sixties and seventies and I traveled to Europe
frequently so don't be too shocked.
The things that change the taste of cunnilingus the most are:
Hygiene.......it can have fuzzy trash just like belly button lint.
Cigarettes....smokey aroma, takes some of the tangy flavor out.
Coffee.........bitter
Beer.............can make a snatch lube so clean it's amazing.
Most vegetarians/vegans are too lazy to wash properly and
are generally a pain in the ass to hang out with anyway.
They're the only people more uptight than a Baptist or Mormon.
The diet that results in the most agreeable flavor is one high in
protein from fish and fiber from fried potatoes washed down
with lots of beer. Swedish and Danish girls,Yum!
Hope this helps.
--
His Wizardship,
Mr. Wizard
"Can you say MEOW?
I like the way you say that."
F. Rogers 1973
:-Ş
Lurker
years ago introduced me to the pineapple theory and I was on a crash diet of
a couple of cans a day---she swore I was sweeter. At that time I was mostly
eating tofu and fish and she said I tasted "like bleach". I never asked her
how she came up this. On the other side of the coin I once dated a girl who
ate nothing but rice and tofu and some vegetables--all bland. She had
absolutely no odor or taste. I also dated a girl who was all about spices;
nearly 10 spices on every meal and lots of garlic. She exuded a spicy odor.
So I do believe the old myth "You are what you eat".
"Furi Geller" <furi_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Lara
> I heard that vegetarians/vegans/etc taste differently than meat eaters
> during oral sex.
I was so expecting this to be another MythBusters post.
Lara "disappointed, etc." Hopkins
Edwin Pawlowski
"Lurker" <m...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> I also dated a girl who was all about spices;
> nearly 10 spices on every meal and lots of garlic. She exuded a spicy
odor.
> So I do believe the old myth "You are what you eat".
>
If you rub garlic on the soles of your feet, you will get garlic breath. It
probably stops off at other body parts also.
Of course if anyone wants to experiment, I'm willing to ah, donate to the
right person.
Ed
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or
I'm with Lara... I'd love to see Mythbusters test this, using this product,
of course.
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Lon Stowell
You *could* check out the plotlines for Sex in the City...
Brian Gleason
Watch out for anyone in ketosis due to the Atkins or other low-carb diets .
. . it definitely has an effect on breath, sweat, and every other aspect of
natural perfumery.
Lee Rudolph
> I heard that vegetarians/vegans/etc taste differently than meat eaters
> during oral sex. I searched alt.folklore.urban with "oral sex
> vegetarian" keywords and there hasn't been a thread on this, only a
> mention over a decade ago.
>
> What's the current thinking on this, and can someone knowledgable go
> in to detail about the taste difference, if any. Thanks.
To have even a chance of yielding meaningful results, any
comparative taste-test experiments you do really ought to
be double-blinded; yet one suspects that precisely that
aspect of the experimental design is going to be the most
difficult to get past most Institutional Review Boards.
Lee "however, the AFU Research Foundation's IRB is meeting *right*
*now* in the back room, if you care to present your case to them" Rudolph
Jason R. Heimbaugh
>Lee "however, the AFU Research Foundation's IRB is meeting *right*
>*now* in the back room, if you care to present your case to them" Rudolph
"case"???
Steve Wertz
wrote:
Apparently it's already being researched. I see those "Free Sex - Get
Paid" ads I see in the newspapers all the time.
-sw
David Brodbeck
"Jason R. Heimbaugh" <ja...@heimbaugh.com> wrote in message
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Oh yes, it is like a court sort of. You present your study and the Board
make decisions about the ethical questions raised. They follow rules such
as the Tri Council Policy statement on research with humans when approving
work in Canada for example....
Dave 'ethics panel' Brodbeck.
>
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Simon Slavin
"Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>"Lurker" <m...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> I also dated a girl who was all about spices;
>> nearly 10 spices on every meal and lots of garlic. She exuded a spicy
>odor.
>> So I do believe the old myth "You are what you eat".
>
>If you rub garlic on the soles of your feet, you will get garlic breath. It
>probably stops off at other body parts also.
But if someone else rubs garlic on the soles of your feet, who
gets the garlic breath ? In other words, isn't the fact that
you're handling the garlic with your hands just as significant
as the fact that you're having it rubbed on your feet ?
Edwin Pawlowski
"Simon Slavin" <sla...@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost> wrote in message
>
> But if someone else rubs garlic on the soles of your feet, who
> gets the garlic breath ? In other words, isn't the fact that
> you're handling the garlic with your hands just as significant
> as the fact that you're having it rubbed on your feet ?
>
>
sure there is a scientific explanation, but I've never taken the time to
find out. This is the type of thing kids experimented with before Nintendo
and MTV.
Ed
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http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
Jami JoAnne
>sure there is a scientific explanation, but I've never taken the time to
>find out. This is the type of thing kids experimented with before Nintendo
>and MTV.
Why doesn't he just try and experiment on his own? First wear gloves while
handling the garlic, rub it all over his feet, then wait a hour or two and have
someone check if he has garlic breath. Then the next day do the same thing only
this time rub the same amount on the palms of the hands. Seems simple enough to
me.
Garlic happens to make me sick to my stomach so this is one experiment I'm not
volenteering for.
~Jami JoAnne Russell~
Anyone who injects a deadly poison like botox into themselves in the name of
vainity has the IQ of a turnip. Those who do the injections have the IQ of a a
beet. My apologies to all the turnips and beets of the world.
Jim Everman
> Garlic happens to make me sick to my stomach so this is one experiment I'm not
> volenteering for.
Note: Self.. get more garlic.
--
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http://webusers.Anet-STL.com/~everman/
Crashj
<>
> Why doesn't he just try and experiment on his own? First wear gloves while
> handling the garlic, rub it all over his feet,
> then wait a hour or two and have
> someone check if he has garlic breath.
<>
> volenteering for.
> ~Jami JoAnne Russell~
Okay, how about honey, then?
Crashj 'seven different kinds' Johnson
Liz & Allan MacDonald
>
> But if someone else rubs garlic on the soles of your feet, who
> gets the garlic breath ? In other words, isn't the fact that
> you're handling the garlic with your hands just as significant
> as the fact that you're having it rubbed on your feet ?
From http://www.ktca.org/newtons/12/garlic.html
The molecules that create the garlic smell are not actually present
in natural garlic. They are synthesized in a reaction that occurs
when garlic is cut or crushed. When a knife slices through garlic, cell
membranes rupture, releasing an enzyme called allinase. Allinase can
chemically
change a tiny, odorless molecule called alliin into allicin.
Allicin is the pungent, sulfur-containing molecule that can alienate
friends who get too close and add zest to bland food.
Allicin is similar in structure to dimethylsulfoxide(DMSO). Both have
the sulfone functional group with alkyls hanging off it. DMSO is
absorbed through the skin, in fact some believe it has therapeutic
properties when rubbed on the joints.
I Was Told by a chem professor that if I spilled DMSO on myself I'd get
garlic breath. I'd venture that allicin has some skin permeability and
is handled by the body like DMSO. So whoever has the fewest callouses
on the contact area and gets the most on them gets the garlic breath.
Liz "prefer mine orally, with shrimp and butter" M.
Frisbee® MCNGP
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> Simon Slavin wrote:
> >
> > But if someone else rubs garlic on the soles of your feet, who
> > gets the garlic breath ? In other words, isn't the fact that
> > you're handling the garlic with your hands just as significant
> > as the fact that you're having it rubbed on your feet ?
>
> From http://www.ktca.org/newtons/12/garlic.html
> The molecules that create the garlic smell are not actually present
> in natural garlic. They are synthesized in a reaction that occurs
> when garlic is cut or crushed. When a knife slices through garlic, cell
> membranes rupture, releasing an enzyme called allinase.
I have a rather vivid memory of driving through Gilroy, California, which
bills itself as the "Garlic Capital of the World", with cars windows up,
choking on the overwhelming smell of garlic for about five miles before and
five miles after the town.
--
Fris "The residents were crushing the garlic?" bee® MCNGP #13
R H Draney
>
>I have a rather vivid memory of driving through Gilroy, California, which
>bills itself as the "Garlic Capital of the World", with cars windows up,
>choking on the overwhelming smell of garlic for about five miles before and
>five miles after the town.
You're one of the people they don't want in town...I have an equally vivid
memory of following an open-bed truck full of onions down a two-lane highway
paralleling the Rio Grande from Truth or Consequences to Las Cruces...with the
windows open and eagerly sucking in the fumes....
R H "about a month too early for the chile festival in Hatch" Draney
ad...@adamsavage.com
> I heard that vegetarians/vegans/etc taste differently than meat eaters
> during oral sex.
I was so expecting this to be another MythBusters post.
Lara "disappointed, etc." Hopkins
Hey, as the single guy on this crew, I keep trying to sell them on
this story, but they keep giving me some argy-bargy about "family
values" or something like that.
I'll keep trying, if only on my own...
Cheers,
adam savage
www.adamsavage.com
Helge Moulding
> I have a rather vivid memory of driving through Gilroy, California, which
> bills itself as the "Garlic Capital of the World", with cars windows up,
> choking on the overwhelming smell of garlic for about five miles before and
> five miles after the town.
Do you also have an aversion to religious symbols and do you sunburn
easily?
--
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mailto:hmou...@excite.com Just another guy
http://hmoulding.cjb.net/ with a weird name
Binyamin Dissen
wrote:
[ snipped ]
:>I have a rather vivid memory of driving through Gilroy, California, which
:>bills itself as the "Garlic Capital of the World", with cars windows up,
:>choking on the overwhelming smell of garlic for about five miles before and
:>five miles after the town.
Better than driving west of Naperville on 88. You would hope for garlic.
--
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http://www.dissensoftware.com
Jami JoAnne
>this story, but they keep giving me some argy-bargy about "family
>values" or something like that.
>
>I'll keep trying, if only on my own...
>
>Cheers,
>
>adam savage
>www.adamsavage.com
>
>
*chants* I will not make a crude joke or volenteer. I will not make a crude
joke or volenteer....
Crashj
<>
> *chants* I will not make a crude joke or volenteer. I will not make a crude
> joke or volenteer....
> ~Jami JoAnne Russell~
Too late, honey pot!
Crashj
Alice Faber
marc...@nospam.calm (Marc Reeve) wrote:
> Binyamin Dissen <post...@dissensoftware.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:38:19 -0400 Frisbee® MCNGP
> > <bhil...@dasi-software.com> wrote:
>
> > :>I have a rather vivid memory of driving through Gilroy, California,
> > :>which bills itself as the "Garlic Capital of the World", with cars
> > :>windows up, choking on the overwhelming smell of garlic for about five
> > :>miles before and five miles after the town.
> >
> > Better than driving west of Naperville on 88. You would hope for garlic.
> >
> Stockyards?
Distillery?
Alice "sour, sour mash" Faber
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Marc Reeve
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:38:19 -0400 Frisbee® MCNGP
> <bhil...@dasi-software.com> wrote:
> :>I have a rather vivid memory of driving through Gilroy, California,
> :>which bills itself as the "Garlic Capital of the World", with cars
> :>windows up, choking on the overwhelming smell of garlic for about five
> :>miles before and five miles after the town.
>
> Better than driving west of Naperville on 88. You would hope for garlic.
>
Stockyards?
Marc "been there, smelled that, got the t-shirt" Reeve
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Ralph Jones
wrote:
>Binyamin Dissen <post...@dissensoftware.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:38:19 -0400 Frisbee® MCNGP
>> <bhil...@dasi-software.com> wrote:
>
>> :>I have a rather vivid memory of driving through Gilroy, California,
>> :>which bills itself as the "Garlic Capital of the World", with cars
>> :>windows up, choking on the overwhelming smell of garlic for about five
>> :>miles before and five miles after the town.
>>
>> Better than driving west of Naperville on 88. You would hope for garlic.
>>
>Stockyards?
>
Ah yes. I've driven through Vernon, Texas -- a town with lots of rilly
big feedlots -- in a gentle rain. Don't wanna do that again.
rj
Ralph Jones
<bhil...@dasi-software.com> wrote:
>"Liz & Allan MacDonald" <alma...@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
>news:Pwl9b.4567$Kt4....@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
>> Simon Slavin wrote:
>> >
>> > But if someone else rubs garlic on the soles of your feet, who
>> > gets the garlic breath ? In other words, isn't the fact that
>> > you're handling the garlic with your hands just as significant
>> > as the fact that you're having it rubbed on your feet ?
>>
>> From http://www.ktca.org/newtons/12/garlic.html
>> The molecules that create the garlic smell are not actually present
>> in natural garlic. They are synthesized in a reaction that occurs
>> when garlic is cut or crushed. When a knife slices through garlic, cell
>> membranes rupture, releasing an enzyme called allinase.
>
>I have a rather vivid memory of driving through Gilroy, California, which
>bills itself as the "Garlic Capital of the World", with cars windows up,
>choking on the overwhelming smell of garlic for about five miles before and
>five miles after the town.
Try Clayton, New Mexico, the "CO2 Capital of the World." Odorless.
rj
Karen J. Cravens
news:afaber-734F61....@reader2.panix.com:
> Distillery?
Pecan pie bakery?
--
Karen J. Cravens
R H Draney
>
>In article <1g1cfq7.jxa4o11xs9c1sN%marc...@nospam.calm>,
> marc...@nospam.calm (Marc Reeve) wrote:
>
>> Binyamin Dissen <post...@dissensoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Better than driving west of Naperville on 88. You would hope for garlic.
>> >
>> Stockyards?
>
>Distillery?
Durian plantation?...r
John Francis
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Frisbee=AE_MCNGP?= <bhil...@dasi-software.com> wrote:
>
>I have a rather vivid memory of driving through Gilroy, California, which
>bills itself as the "Garlic Capital of the World", with cars windows up,
>choking on the overwhelming smell of garlic for about five miles before and
>five miles after the town.
Try living about twenty miles from the place. At certain seasons
of the year everything (even the tapwater) tastes of garlic.
Garlic-flavoured ice cubes don't do much for the taste of most drinks.
--
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Binyamin Dissen
:>Binyamin Dissen <post...@dissensoftware.com> wrote:
:>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:38:19 -0400 Frisbee® MCNGP
:>> <bhil...@dasi-software.com> wrote:
:>> :>I have a rather vivid memory of driving through Gilroy, California,
:>> :>which bills itself as the "Garlic Capital of the World", with cars
:>> :>windows up, choking on the overwhelming smell of garlic for about five
:>> :>miles before and five miles after the town.
:>> Better than driving west of Naperville on 88. You would hope for garlic.
:>Stockyards?
The odor of the French^W^W manure. I believe it is farmland.
Frisbee® MCNGP
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> Frisbee® MCNGP wrote:
> > I have a rather vivid memory of driving through Gilroy, California,
which
> > bills itself as the "Garlic Capital of the World", with cars windows up,
> > choking on the overwhelming smell of garlic for about five miles before
and
> > five miles after the town.
>
> Do you also have an aversion to religious symbols and do you sunburn
> easily?
Yes and yes, but I don't have particularly pointy teeth, and I can see
myself in the mirror.
--
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Jami JoAnne
>myself in the mirror.
Well those aren't indicators. Some vampires don't have sharp teeth at all. Some
have long razor sharp tongues with which to slash their victims' throats.
Others just use their regular teeth. And some don't even feed on blood but fear
caused by nightmares or the energy given off during sex.
Andrew McMichael
>>Yes and yes, but I don't have particularly pointy teeth, and I can see
>>myself in the mirror.
>
>
> Well those aren't indicators. Some vampires don't have sharp teeth at all. Some
> have long razor sharp tongues with which to slash their victims' throats.
> Others just use their regular teeth. And some don't even feed on blood but fear
> caused by nightmares or the energy given off during sex.
And some post repeated inanity, complete with moronic .sigs, to a
newsgroup year after year, in some misguided attempt to suck the life
out of it.
Andrew "only comes out after snark" McMichael
Ralph Jones
wrote:
>In article <1g1cfq7.jxa4o11xs9c1sN%marc...@nospam.calm>,
> marc...@nospam.calm (Marc Reeve) wrote:
>
>> Binyamin Dissen <post...@dissensoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:38:19 -0400 Frisbee® MCNGP
>> > <bhil...@dasi-software.com> wrote:
>>
>> > :>I have a rather vivid memory of driving through Gilroy, California,
>> > :>which bills itself as the "Garlic Capital of the World", with cars
>> > :>windows up, choking on the overwhelming smell of garlic for about five
>> > :>miles before and five miles after the town.
>> >
>> > Better than driving west of Naperville on 88. You would hope for garlic.
>> >
>> Stockyards?
>
>Distillery?
>
>Alice "sour, sour mash" Faber
Savannah gets pretty ripe when the wind blows from the paper mills
outside town. During the Depression my family used to refer to it as
"the smell of jobs."
rj
Alice Faber
Ralph Jones <ralp...@attbi.com> wrote:
Tell me about it. I lived downwind of Palatka for 7+ years.
Alice "pine barrens or barren pines? you be the judge" Faber
--
"My theory is that KKs are the bastard offspring of the beignet
and the assembly line."
--Lee Rudolph reviews Krispy Kreme donuts
Helge Moulding
> > easily?
> Yes and yes, but I don't have particularly pointy teeth, and I can see
> myself in the mirror.
Hm, so you have a good dentist, and a good opthalmologist.
David Brodbeck
"Alice Faber" <afa...@panix.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Savannah gets pretty ripe when the wind blows from the paper mills
> > outside town. During the Depression my family used to refer to it as
> > "the smell of jobs."
>
> Tell me about it. I lived downwind of Palatka for 7+ years.
>
> Alice "pine barrens or barren pines? you be the judge" Faber
Our paper mill here apparenlty used to smell bad (before I moved here).
Then in the mid 90s the feds threatened to shut Corner Brook Pulp and Paper
down. So they had to clean up their act. Now using some environmentally
friendly [tm] process the only paper mill odour we get is that of freshly
cut timber. Sort of pleasant actually
Dave 'now then there's Cornwall' Brodbeck
>
> --
> "My theory is that KKs are the bastard offspring of the beignet
> and the assembly line."
> --Lee Rudolph reviews Krispy Kreme donuts
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> In article <1g1cfq7.jxa4o11xs9c1sN%marc...@nospam.calm>,
> marc...@nospam.calm (Marc Reeve) wrote:
>
>> Binyamin Dissen <post...@dissensoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:38:19 -0400 Frisbee® MCNGP
>> > <bhil...@dasi-software.com> wrote:
>>
>> > :>I have a rather vivid memory of driving through Gilroy, California,
>> > :>which bills itself as the "Garlic Capital of the World", with cars
>> > :>windows up, choking on the overwhelming smell of garlic for about five
>> > :>miles before and five miles after the town.
>> >
>> > Better than driving west of Naperville on 88. You would hope for garlic.
>> >
>> Stockyards?
>
> Distillery?
>
> Alice "sour, sour mash" Faber
>
Those don't really bother me all that much. Used to really love
the smell of the pacific northwest pulp mills, but given a choice
between a pulp mill and a feedlot, I'd rather have my nose removed.
Lon Stowell
> In article <bk4pv1$p0m1u$1...@ID-123564.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> =?iso-8859-1?Q?Frisbee=AE_MCNGP?= <bhil...@dasi-software.com> wrote:
>>
>>I have a rather vivid memory of driving through Gilroy, California, which
>>bills itself as the "Garlic Capital of the World", with cars windows up,
>>choking on the overwhelming smell of garlic for about five miles before and
>>five miles after the town.
>
> Try living about twenty miles from the place. At certain seasons
> of the year everything (even the tapwater) tastes of garlic.
>
> Garlic-flavoured ice cubes don't do much for the taste of most drinks.
>
>
I don't find the garlic nearly as distasteful as those
wild onion varieties that some office complexes actually
plant as ornamental flowers. Smells like a fetid swamp
after it got so bad the swamp critters all moved away.
Andrew McMichael
Andrew
Karen J. Cravens
news:bk817t$pujn1$1...@ID-109269.news.uni-berlin.de:
> We have a dog food factory here in town. Nasty stuff.
We used to have a refinery next door to a soybean processing plant. The
refinery has since closed, but we can still smell the soybeans when the
wind's out of the right direction. No idea what exactly they do to 'em,
but it's a weird, weird smell - until the refinery closed, I blamed them.
Fortunately, the wind's seldom out of the northeast when we've got the
windows open.
--
Karen J. Cravens
R H Draney
>
>"Alice Faber" <afa...@panix.com> wrote in message
>news:afaber-E55F4C....@reader2.panix.com...
>> >
>> > Savannah gets pretty ripe when the wind blows from the paper mills
>> > outside town. During the Depression my family used to refer to it as
>> > "the smell of jobs."
>>
>> Tell me about it. I lived downwind of Palatka for 7+ years.
>>
>> Alice "pine barrens or barren pines? you be the judge" Faber
>
>Our paper mill here apparenlty used to smell bad (before I moved here).
>Then in the mid 90s the feds threatened to shut Corner Brook Pulp and Paper
>down. So they had to clean up their act. Now using some environmentally
>friendly [tm] process the only paper mill odour we get is that of freshly
>cut timber. Sort of pleasant actually
Ah, paper mills...visiting cousins, northern California, early 70s, sudden reek
permeates car....
One of us: "What's that smell?"....
One of the cousins: "Kimberly says it's Clark, Clark says it's Kimberly"....
R H "nobody thought to blame the dog?" Draney
TeaLady (Mari C.)
>> Savannah gets pretty ripe when the wind blows from the paper
>> mills outside town. During the Depression my family used to
>> refer to it as "the smell of jobs."
>
> Tell me about it. I lived downwind of Palatka for 7+ years.
>
I've been lucky. But my dad grew up downwind of the steel mills in
Youngstown, Ohio. That smell made him swear to never ever work in
the mills.
--
Tea"He never did, either"Lady
"Stated to me for a fact. I only tell it as I got it. I am
willing to believe it. I can believe anything." Sam Clemens
Mari Conroy
Hugh Gibbons
Frisbee® MCNGP <bhil...@dasi-software.com> wrote:
> "Helge Moulding" <hmou...@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:bk5b03$u6n$2...@terabinaries.xmission.com...
> > Frisbee® MCNGP wrote:
> > > I have a rather vivid memory of driving through Gilroy, California,
> which
> > > bills itself as the "Garlic Capital of the World", with cars windows up,
> > > choking on the overwhelming smell of garlic for about five miles before
> and
> > > five miles after the town.
> >
> > Do you also have an aversion to religious symbols and do you sunburn
> > easily?
>
> Yes and yes, but I don't have particularly pointy teeth, and I can see
> myself in the mirror.
How often do you have to file them down to maintain appearances?
It's only mortals who are known to not see vampires in mirrors.
We mortals don't know whether the Undead can see their own
reflections.
Hugh Gibbons
jo...@panix.com (John Francis) wrote:
> In article <bk4pv1$p0m1u$1...@ID-123564.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> =?iso-8859-1?Q?Frisbee=AE_MCNGP?= <bhil...@dasi-software.com> wrote:
> >
> >I have a rather vivid memory of driving through Gilroy, California, which
> >bills itself as the "Garlic Capital of the World", with cars windows up,
> >choking on the overwhelming smell of garlic for about five miles before and
> >five miles after the town.
>
> Try living about twenty miles from the place. At certain seasons
> of the year everything (even the tapwater) tastes of garlic.
>
> Garlic-flavoured ice cubes don't do much for the taste of most drinks.
I have the same problem, but I'm nowhere near the Garlic Capitol. There
are lots of places that have enough sulphur in the water to taste.
Usually, it comes from springs that way. Perhaps high sulphur content
helps make a site ideal for garlic farming.
Jami JoAnne
>It's only mortals who are known to not see vampires in mirrors.
>We mortals don't know whether the Undead can see their own
>reflections.
It's not true that vampires don't reflect. That is just a plot device made up
by Stoker. Vampires however cast no to extremely light shadows. So thin it's
like they aren't there at all.
Though even the plot device does come from an old superstition that one did to
prevent a newly dead person from rising as a vampire. One must cover up all
reflective surfaces in the house where the body lays or that person died.
Mirrors, barrels of water, pots, pans, etc etc and so forth. Because if the
dead person's soul on the way to Judgement sees itself in a reflective surface
they are forever trapped there and their body will become open for demonic
possesion so it could rise up as a vampire.
Aaron Davies
> We have a dog food factory here in town. Nasty stuff.
Tell me about it, I worked at that damn place three nights once while
temping. Good thing I was already in the habit of taking long showers .
. . .
--
Aaron "recent Bowling Green escapee" Davies
Opinions expressed are solely those of a random number generator.
"I don't know if it's real or not but it is a myth."
-Jami JoAnne of alt.folklore.urban, showing her grasp on reality.
TMOliver
mumbled...
> Alice Faber <afa...@panix.com> wrote in
> news:afaber-E55F4C....@reader2.panix.com:
>
>>> Savannah gets pretty ripe when the wind blows from the paper
>>> mills outside town. During the Depression my family used to
>>> refer to it as "the smell of jobs."
>>
>> Tell me about it. I lived downwind of Palatka for 7+ years.
>>
>
> I've been lucky. But my dad grew up downwind of the steel mills in
> Youngstown, Ohio. That smell made him swear to never ever work in
> the mills.
>
What about noise?
From down on Washington Ave. where we lived, the 6AM (Rise & Shine,
Workers!) down at the "Iron Works" was offensive to my Mom, a lady who felt
that any waking moment before 7AM was misspent. Dad (who usually left by
630AM for the hospital) always told her that enough of his patients worked
for Central Texas Iron to make the sound music to his ears and
an overture for prospective college costs for the 5 of us..... (although it
was the self-mutilating butchers at HEB who paid much of my tuition).
Now, driving down the old Galveston Road, Pasadena was only a taste of
what Texas City could be, and at night from a boat out in the Bay, Texas
City came about as close to Fire & Brimstone tent preacher's vision of Hell
as human works could manage. Come to think of it, Texas City was
"Brimstone Central".
TM "...and you could read the newspaper at midnight" Oliver
Gig Giacona
"Karen J. Cravens" <silve...@phoenyx.net> wrote in message
news:Xns93F8B409...@130.133.1.4...
Try having a refinery, a bromine producing chemical plant, a chicken
processing plant, and a chicken feed mill within a mile or so of each other.
It is an olfactory cornucopia that you will not forget nor when the wind and
temperature is right, wash off quickly.
Gig " never drive behind the yellow ConAgra tank trucks" Giacona
Karen J. Cravens
news:vmgpn0e...@corp.supernews.com:
> Try having a refinery, a bromine producing chemical plant, a chicken
> processing plant, and a chicken feed mill within a mile or so of each
> other. It is an olfactory cornucopia that you will not forget nor when
> the wind and temperature is right, wash off quickly.
I only have second-hand information, but I'm told (by guys who had to
install sensors in the tanks) that chicken feed *additives* (specifically
Alimet, for those who might recognize these things) are the worst. I
still have a Novus mug, given me by one of the installers; the Novus guys
gave them to all our installers, but most of the guys didn't use them.
Just seeing the logo was enough to make their coffee taste funny, they
averred.
--
Karen J. Cravens
Anthony McCafferty
gambit...@aol.comNOTMALE (Jami JoAnne) writes:
>It's not true that vampires don't reflect. That is just a plot device made up
>by Stoker.
Ummm, Jim-Jam, the second sentence could describe all of the vampire's
traits, if you just leave off the last two words.
Anthony "You do realize this?" McCafferty
Jami JoAnne
>traits, if you just leave off the last two words.
No, because there's a lot of things that Stoker got right from the myths and
other writers have followed since. Such as being repulsed by garlic and holy
devices, dying in sunlight, etc.
I know more about vampires then one should.
Gig Giacona
"Jami JoAnne" <gambit...@aol.comNOTMALE> wrote in message
news:20030917110551...@mb-m03.aol.com...
And the Whoosh bird flies once more.
Gig "a turnip would have caught that one" Giacona
Lon Stowell
>>How often do you have to file them down to maintain appearances?
>>It's only mortals who are known to not see vampires in mirrors.
>>We mortals don't know whether the Undead can see their own
>>reflections.
>
> It's not true that vampires don't reflect. That is just a plot device made up
> by Stoker.
Vampires are very reflective. Somewhat so in Stoker, but extremely
so in Saberhagen--highly intelligent, highly deductive, persistent,
and likely to seek employment as famous detectives.
Lon Stowell
>>Ummm, Jim-Jam, the second sentence could describe all of the vampire's
>>traits, if you just leave off the last two words.
>
> No, because there's a lot of things that Stoker got right from the myths and
> other writers have followed since. Such as being repulsed by garlic and holy
> devices, dying in sunlight, etc.
Ahh, but there are difficulties there. What if the vampire is
Italian? Or Muslim or Jewish or Hindu or Shaman, or Buddhist or
Zoroastran or Wintu or Cabbalist? Does one need special
anti-Italian vampire garlic to get rid of these pestos? Does
one need an assortment of religious icons from all of the
nearby assorted religions?
> I know more about vampires then one should.
There are psychic vampires as well....
Lon Stowell
I dunno, but during the promotions for the recent Gilroy
Garlic Festival, a spokesman for Christopher Farms noted
that most of the garlic in California is grown over in the
valley like everything else, not near Gilroy anymore.
Still lotsa garlic there as any nose knows, but much
more if you cross Pacheco Pass and head southeast...
Chocoholic
"Aaron Davies" <aa...@avalon.pascal-central.com> wrote in message
news:1g1epns.19u292f1fc388cN%aa...@avalon.pascal-central.com...
> Andrew McMichael <andrew.m...@wku.edu> wrote:
>
> > We have a dog food factory here in town. Nasty stuff.
>
> Tell me about it, I worked at that damn place three nights once while
> temping. Good thing I was already in the habit of taking long showers .
> . . .
Then maybe you can answer another UL... We already know they use the 'left
over' parts of pigs and cattle and chickens & whatever regular food animals
that people wouldn't eat (offal). But do they also use 'road kill' to make
dog food? It has been rumored for ages that crews scraping up road kill from
highways take it to some rendering plant or other and it gets added to dog
food along with all the offal from slaughter houses.
Mike Holmans
tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>I know more about vampires then one should.
Since one cannot know something false, what do you know about
vampires? References to works of fiction are, naturally, ineligible.
Mike "a-haaa!" Holmans
Crashj
<>
> And some don't even feed on blood but fear
> caused by nightmares or the energy given off during sex.
> ~Jami JoAnne Russell~
Don't ya'all love it when she talks dirty like that?
Crashj "I know I do" Johnson
Joseph Michael Bay
>>Yes and yes, but I don't have particularly pointy teeth, and I can see
>>myself in the mirror.
>Well those aren't indicators. Some vampires don't have sharp teeth at all. Some
>have long razor sharp tongues with which to slash their victims' throats.
>Others just use their regular teeth. And some don't even feed on blood but fear
>caused by nightmares or the energy given off during sex.
Whereas others merely drain your will to live by going
on and on about vampires, "Vampyres", goth culture and so forth.
--
Chimes peal joy. Bah. Joseph Michael Bay
Icy colon barge Cancer Biology
Frosty divine Saturn Stanford University
www.stanford.edu/~jmbay/ fhqwhgadshgnsdhjsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf
Joseph Michael Bay
The only joke I remember from the San Francisco Comedy Festival:
Q Why don't any vampires live in Gilroy?
A Because it's a shithole.
Anthony McCafferty
<lon.s...@comcast.net> writes:
> Ahh, but there are difficulties there. What if the vampire is
> Italian? Or Muslim or Jewish
"Oy, haff you go the hwrong fampire"
Anthony "Old chestnuts roasting on a newbie's pyre" McCafferty
R H Draney
Entertainingly updated in the first Brendan Fraser "Mummy" film, where the
little Egyptian go-between has the religious and good-luck symbols of every
major religion around his neck...when the mummy grabs him, he runs through
several and their associated incantations, causing the undying one to halt his
approach when he gets to Hebrew (the first language he recognizes after being
reanimated)....r
Jami JoAnne
>And the Whoosh bird flies once more.
No, there's no "whoosh" here because there's a big difference between a
FICTIONAL STORY and a MYTH. Myths were once believed by people. There is no
plot devices in myths.
Jami JoAnne
> so in Saberhagen--highly intelligent, highly deductive, persistent,
> and likely to seek employment as famous detectives.
Or in Fred's case the uncles of famous detectives.
Karen J. Cravens
news:20030917170934...@mb-m06.aol.com:
> Or in Fred's case the uncles of famous detectives.
Are you on a first-name basis with him, then?
--
Karen J. Cravens
D.F. Manno
Lon Stowell <lon.s...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Ahh, but there are difficulties there. What if the vampire is
> Italian? Or Muslim or Jewish or Hindu or Shaman, or Buddhist or
> Zoroastran or Wintu or Cabbalist? Does one need special
> anti-Italian vampire garlic to get rid of these pestos? Does
> one need an assortment of religious icons from all of the
> nearby assorted religions?
And does it have to be a stake? How about a sharpened pencil?
--
D.F. Manno
domm...@netscape.net
"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what
they do not want to hear." (George Orwell)
Bill Kinkaid
<domm...@netscape.net> wrote:
>In article <b51ab.490618$uu5.84151@sccrnsc04>,
> Lon Stowell <lon.s...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Ahh, but there are difficulties there. What if the vampire is
>> Italian? Or Muslim or Jewish or Hindu or Shaman, or Buddhist or
>> Zoroastran or Wintu or Cabbalist? Does one need special
>> anti-Italian vampire garlic to get rid of these pestos? Does
>> one need an assortment of religious icons from all of the
>> nearby assorted religions?
>
>And does it have to be a stake? How about a sharpened pencil?
Or a banana, or a bunch of loganberries?
Bill in Vancouver
Ivyblaze22
I'm going to have to go to her defense on this one.
(start vague handwaving)
I seem to recall first seeing a documentary and then reading up on a
combination of traits that could have been the cause of vampire myths.
The combination was both extreme albinoism and a rare form of anemia. The
albinoism to the point where stepping into sunlight would cause burns in an
extremely short period of times (minutes or seconds, sorry I can't be more
vague) and even strong moonlight was painful to the eyes. The anemia would have
given the person a taste for blood to replace lost iron. Nowadays they give
these people a shot of iron every day or so. But way back when they couldn't
have done that. So they would have had to drink blood as the deficiency
wouldn't allow them to metabolize iron rich foods very well.
(end vague handwaving)
Accordingly, if I'm recalling correctly, not ALL of a vampire's traits are a
plot device. Some of them have a basis in fact.
Robert "blood tastes sweet, salty and metallic (like copper)" Alston
Chocoholic
"Ivyblaze22" <ivybl...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030917221235...@mb-m04.aol.com...
And a real person who developed a taste for torture as entertainment and a
fetish for blood as a 'youth' treatment might have also contributed to the
legend. Elizabeth Bathory 'the Blood Countess' of Transylvania. Has she ever
come up in this group before?
Jami JoAnne
>> Italian? Or Muslim or Jewish or Hindu or Shaman, or Buddhist or
>> Zoroastran or Wintu or Cabbalist? Does one need special
>> anti-Italian vampire garlic to get rid of these pestos? Does
>> one need an assortment of religious icons from all of the
>> nearby assorted religions?
>
>And does it have to be a stake? How about a sharpened pencil?
Religion doesn't matter as much as having faith in the object you're using. And
the stake has to be made of oak, ash, or a branch of any bush or tree that
bears thorns. Also iron will do.
Jami JoAnne
>plot device. Some of them have a basis in fact.
Yep. There's also a blood disease that begins with a P that I can't spell that
royals often suffered from. It kept their blood from carrying oxygen very well
and they sometimes craved blood because of the lack of hemoglobin. I think
Charles the 3rd suffered from it.
Jami JoAnne
>fetish for blood as a 'youth' treatment might have also contributed to the
>legend. Elizabeth Bathory 'the Blood Countess' of Transylvania. Has she ever
>come up in this group before?
>
I've tried because Snopes refuses to aknowledge her existance on the page about
Bloody Mary who is given credit for Bathory's crimes.
They say even though her hair was grey when she died her face was still very
youthful. Though that was probably because she never got any exposure to the
sun or rough weather.
R H Draney
>> combination of traits that could have been the cause of vampire myths.
>>
>> The combination was both extreme albinoism and a rare form of anemia. The
>> albinoism to the point where stepping into sunlight would cause burns in
>an
>> extremely short period of times (minutes or seconds, sorry I can't be more
>> vague) and even strong moonlight was painful to the eyes. The anemia would
>have
>> given the person a taste for blood to replace lost iron. Nowadays they
>give
>> these people a shot of iron every day or so. But way back when they
>couldn't
>> have done that. So they would have had to drink blood as the deficiency
>> wouldn't allow them to metabolize iron rich foods very well.
The condition you are probably describing is called "porphyria"...I claim it
when I don't want to participate in my office's "team-building activities", the
latest of which saw two broken legs, one concussion, and one grand theft
auto....
>And a real person who developed a taste for torture as entertainment and a
>fetish for blood as a 'youth' treatment might have also contributed to the
>legend. Elizabeth Bathory 'the Blood Countess' of Transylvania. Has she ever
>come up in this group before?
Come up?...heck, one of her relatives used to be a regular....r
Louise Bremner
> >Accordingly, if I'm recalling correctly, not ALL of a vampire's traits are a
> >plot device. Some of them have a basis in fact.
>
> Yep. There's also a blood disease that begins with a P that I can't spell
> that royals often suffered from. It kept their blood from carrying oxygen
> very well and they sometimes craved blood because of the lack of
> hemoglobin. I think Charles the 3rd suffered from it.
Charles the 3rd of where?
________________________________________________________________________
Louise "idle curiosity" Bremner (log at gol dot com)
If you want a reply by e-mail, don't write to my Yahoo address!
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> Jami JoAnne <gambit...@aol.comNOTMALE> wrote:
>
>
>>>Accordingly, if I'm recalling correctly, not ALL of a vampire's traits are a
>>>plot device. Some of them have a basis in fact.
>>
>>Yep. There's also a blood disease that begins with a P that I can't spell
>>that royals often suffered from. It kept their blood from carrying oxygen
>>very well and they sometimes craved blood because of the lack of
>>hemoglobin. I think Charles the 3rd suffered from it.
>
>
> Charles the 3rd of where?
Possibly confusing George III of England, who did have
porphyria, with Charles III of Spain, died 1788. I
cannot remember whether or not this is the same Charles III
who became Holy Roman Emperor Charles VI or not. [Just
checked: that one lived 1685-1740, so a different III,
even though they were both spanish]. And then there was
Queen Anne, who died of porphyria, but I don't think she
was ever Charles III.
Charles [not the III]
--
"And some rin up hill and down dale, knapping the
chucky stanes to pieces wi' hammers, like sae mony
road-makers run daft -- they say it is to see how
the warld was made!"
Jami JoAnne
Sorry, my ignorance of the fact so many royals have the same name (God, can't
they have been creative with names?) once again betrays me. England of course.
That's the only C3 I'm aware of.
Deborah Stevenson,,,
>Louise Bremner wrote:
>> Jami JoAnne <gambit...@aol.comNOTMALE> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Accordingly, if I'm recalling correctly, not ALL of a vampire's traits are a
>>>>plot device. Some of them have a basis in fact.
>>>
>>>Yep. There's also a blood disease that begins with a P that I can't spell
>>>that royals often suffered from. It kept their blood from carrying oxygen
>>>very well and they sometimes craved blood because of the lack of
>>>hemoglobin. I think Charles the 3rd suffered from it.
>>
>> Charles the 3rd of where?
>Possibly confusing George III of England, who did have
>porphyria,
Has this been proven? Last I heard it was just one of many competing
theories.
>even though they were both spanish]. And then there was
>Queen Anne, who died of porphyria, but I don't think she
>was ever Charles III.
Ditto.
Deborah Stevenson
(stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Lizz Holmans
wrote:
>>Charles the 3rd of where?
>
>Sorry, my ignorance of the fact so many royals have the same name (God, can't
>they have been creative with names?) once again betrays me. England of course.
>That's the only C3 I'm aware of.
Jamie JoAnn, folks are trying to tell you that there *wasn't* a
Charles lll of England.
Lizz 'cue Clyde McPhatter' Holmans
--
i feel as visible as a hyphen but not half as self assured--archy
Joe Boswell
<gambit...@aol.comNOTMALE> writes
>>Charles the 3rd of where?
>
>Sorry, my ignorance of the fact so many royals have the same name (God, can't
>they have been creative with names?) once again betrays me. England of course.
>That's the only C3 I'm aware of.
>~Jami JoAnne Russell~
>
the future succeeded the present Queen Elizabeth II.
Fancy you knowing that. And to think there are people who say you are
thick.
--
Joe * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap
TMOliver
mumbled...
>>Charles the 3rd of where?
>
> Sorry, my ignorance of the fact so many royals have the same name
> (God, can't they have been creative with names?) once again betrays
> me. England of course. That's the only C3 I'm aware of.
The second and last of his name was the AngloScottish/Continental
melange/menagerie Carolus Rex, older brother to and briefly succeeded by
James the Closet Mackerel Snapper who came a'crupper in the Glorious
Revolution, a bloodless event which hardly slowed the sale of gin across
the counters of Wapping or the H'aisle of Dogs, and led to the arrival of
the stumpy Dutchman whose wife's name joins his over the doors of a noted
'Merkin Ivory Tower - no, not Willy & Nova.
The current band of nomadic German petty princelings/monarchs for hire has
not seen fit to provide us with a C3 by kicking out "She for whom Death's
Rictus will be her only adult smile and with good cause" to install
"Charles the Long Awaiting"/"Charles the Ill-Served"/"Charles Too Oft In
Praise of Older Women".
TM "Forced to list modern British monarchs by slightly mad Anglophilic
junior high school teacher" Oliver
Andrew McMichael
> The second and last of his name was the AngloScottish/Continental
> melange/menagerie Carolus Rex, older brother to and briefly succeeded by
> James the Closet Mackerel Snapper who came a'crupper in the Glorious
> Revolution, a bloodless event which hardly slowed the sale of gin across
> the counters of Wapping or the H'aisle of Dogs, and led to the arrival of
> the stumpy Dutchman whose wife's name joins his over the doors of a noted
> 'Merkin Ivory Tower - no, not Willy & Nova.
And to remember it in school we intoned:
These are the Stuarts
Here are their names
James and Charles
Charles and James.
Or something like that.
Andrew "the other for fun" McMichael
TMOliver
>
> Then maybe you can answer another UL... We already know they use the
> 'left over' parts of pigs and cattle and chickens & whatever regular
> food animals that people wouldn't eat (offal). But do they also use
> 'road kill' to make dog food? It has been rumored for ages that crews
> scraping up road kill from highways take it to some rendering plant or
> other and it gets added to dog food along with all the offal from
> slaughter houses.
>
>
Stop a moment, and allow your rational side to for once hold sway over the
lapsed synapes which allow you to ponder such foolishness....
Dog food is mostly plant protein flavored up with a bit of surplus animal
parts (except in the case of those folls who purchase the premium grade
"all meat" dog foods which are mostly water anyhoo).
Dog food factories are big places, giant conveyors trundling noisome masses
up and around and through dryers from whence the kibbles and bits are
funneled into bags big and even bigger. Their animal protein needs, minor
though they may be, are filled by giant tankers or rerigerated trucks
trundling in leftover bits and slurry from the slaughterhouses (or the
occasional little girl's gimpy pony, the fate that has met noble steeds
since time began or there were no French to eat them)
Even on such roadkill littered byways as my nearby la Avenida de los
Dillers Pobres y Muertos, the amount of animal protein collectable by even
the most assiduous municipal or privately employed pavement scrapers is
absolutlely minimalist when compared to the flamboyantly baroque maws of
the dog food makers.
Akshulee, most collected roadkill is exported to Louisiana where it is sold
across the counter in tiny Cajun markets to folks who have lost their traps
playing card games like Bu-re' or Indian and still have a hankering for
possum en sauce piquant, fricasee d'diller, pressed squirrel, or the
flavorsome favorite of Cameron Parish, Timbal du Housecat avec Ecrivisse.
TM "Game has hung long enough when it falls from the hook" Oliver
Andrew McMichael
> Dog food is mostly plant protein flavored up with a bit of surplus animal
> parts (except in the case of those folls who purchase the premium grade
> "all meat" dog foods which are mostly water anyhoo).
Tb: "plant protein" in dog food = "cardboard"
>
> Dog food factories are big places, giant conveyors trundling noisome masses
> up and around and through dryers from whence the kibbles and bits are
> funneled into bags big and even bigger.
Two engineering friends of mine did the university internship at dog
food plants. They had to sign confidentiality agreements swearing never
to reveal the sekrit manner in which the shape of the particular kibble
was made.
Andrew
Charles A Lieberman
Andrew McMichael <andrew.m...@wku.edu> wrote:
> > Dog food is mostly plant protein flavored up with a bit of surplus animal
> > parts (except in the case of those folls who purchase the premium grade
> > "all meat" dog foods which are mostly water anyhoo).
>
>
> Tb: "plant protein" in dog food = "cardboard"
Is the box more nutritious than the food?
--
Charles A. Lieberman | "I don't think QANTAS has target radar, or indeed
New York, NY, USA | any air to air or air to ground attack capability
cali...@bigfoot.com | that would require a target radar." --Paul Tomblin
Chocoholic
"TMOliver" <ol...@FIXTHIScalpha.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93FA584B...@206.127.4.21...
Actually, I have read/heard more than once that Charles is expected to take
a different name when he ascends the throne precisely because of the
misfortunes associated with the name Charles. It's not an unusual thing to
do. Edward VII (son of Queen Victoria) was actually named Albert, but chose
to use his second name, Edward, as King. I bet he will be George VII when
the time comes.
Chocoholic
"Jami JoAnne" <gambit...@aol.comNOTMALE> wrote in message
news:20030918021825...@mb-m11.aol.com...
> >And a real person who developed a taste for torture as entertainment and
a
> >fetish for blood as a 'youth' treatment might have also contributed to
the
> >legend. Elizabeth Bathory 'the Blood Countess' of Transylvania. Has she
ever
> >come up in this group before?
> >
>
> I've tried because Snopes refuses to aknowledge her existance on the page
about
> Bloody Mary who is given credit for Bathory's crimes.
>
Wild... You'd think Snopes would point out exactly who Mary Tudor was being
confused with on the blood bath practice. Aren't they supposed to be able
clarifying misunderstandings?
> They say even though her hair was grey when she died her face was still
very
> youthful. Though that was probably because she never got any exposure to
the
> sun or rough weather.
She was only 54, you know. Granted, that was fairly old for those times but
the reason for the short 'average' lifespan was manual labor and lack of
sanitation. It's much more surprising that she didn't contract some disease
from all those girls she killed so messily than that she was still
'youthful' looking at 54 when she died.
Chocoholic
"TMOliver" <ol...@FIXTHIScalpha.com> wrote in message
> "Chocoholic" <Choco...@Cocoa.org> vented spleen or mostly mumbled...
>
>
> >
> > Then maybe you can answer another UL... We already know they use the
> > 'left over' parts of pigs and cattle and chickens & whatever regular
> > food animals that people wouldn't eat (offal). But do they also use
> > 'road kill' to make dog food? It has been rumored for ages that crews
> > scraping up road kill from highways take it to some rendering plant or
> > other and it gets added to dog food along with all the offal from
> > slaughter houses.
> >
> >
>
> Stop a moment, and allow your rational side to for once hold sway over the
> lapsed synapes which allow you to ponder such foolishness....
>
> Dog food is mostly plant protein flavored up with a bit of surplus animal
> parts (except in the case of those folls who purchase the premium grade
> "all meat" dog foods which are mostly water anyhoo).
>
> Dog food factories are big places, giant conveyors trundling noisome
masses
> up and around and through dryers from whence the kibbles and bits are
> funneled into bags big and even bigger. Their animal protein needs, minor
> trundling in leftover bits and slurry from the slaughterhouses (or the
> occasional little girl's gimpy pony, the fate that has met noble steeds
> since time began or there were no French to eat them)
>
Yes, recycled pets, too. But by the time it arrives it must be
unidentifiable. So this would be a more appropriate question for the
rendering plants than the actual dog food factories.
> Even on such roadkill littered byways as my nearby la Avenida de los
> Dillers Pobres y Muertos, the amount of animal protein collectable by even
> the most assiduous municipal or privately employed pavement scrapers is
> absolutlely minimalist when compared to the flamboyantly baroque maws of
> the dog food makers.
>
Oh, I'm not saying 'exclusively' or 'mostly' -- just that it's included in
the mix. And from what you say, it apparently is. We'd have to ask someone
who knows about a rendering plant just how much road kill and dead pets
might be brought in relative to slaughter byproducts.
John Francis
Chocoholic <Choco...@Cocoa.org> wrote:
[In re either Elizabeth Bathory or Mary Tudor - the context isn't clear]
>She was only 54, you know. Granted, that was fairly old for those times but
>the reason for the short 'average' lifespan was manual labor and lack of
>sanitation.
Cite?
--
Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your Father. Prepare to die.
Chocoholic
"John Francis" <jo...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:bkcp8s$5h5$1...@panix5.panix.com...
> In article <vmjo579...@corp.supernews.com>,
> Chocoholic <Choco...@Cocoa.org> wrote:
>
> [In re either Elizabeth Bathory or Mary Tudor - the context isn't clear]
>
> >She was only 54, you know. Granted, that was fairly old for those times
but
> >the reason for the short 'average' lifespan was manual labor and lack of
> >sanitation.
>
> Cite?
>
Cripes, you need a CITE for the short life-spans of the late middle ages?
A quick Google yields:
http://www.york.ac.uk/depts/hist/ugrad/courses-int/ppab.htm
It takes the specific example of the medieval people of Western Europe
c.1300-1500 who experienced the human cycle to the backdrop of plague,
famine and warfare, with life expectancy in some years barely reaching 26.
Did this encourage medieval society to have more children, to marry young,
or to see the onset of 'old age' in one's 30s?
There was not much difference in technology between East and West Europe in
those times.
and: http://www.hyw.com/Books/History/Fertilit.htm
With charts showing steep drop-offs in survivability after 40.
Crashj
> Jami JoAnne <gambit...@aol.comNOTMALE> wrote:
> > I think Charles the 3rd suffered from it.
>
> Charles the 3rd of where?
If Charles is 3rd, who's on 1st?
Crashj 'Where's the catcher?' Johnson
John Francis
Chocoholic <Choco...@Cocoa.org> wrote:
>
>"John Francis" <jo...@panix.com> wrote in message
>news:bkcp8s$5h5$1...@panix5.panix.com...
>> In article <vmjo579...@corp.supernews.com>,
>> Chocoholic <Choco...@Cocoa.org> wrote:
>>
>> [In re either Elizabeth Bathory or Mary Tudor - the context isn't clear]
>>
>> >She was only 54, you know. Granted, that was fairly old for those times
>but
>> >the reason for the short 'average' lifespan was manual labor and lack of
>> >sanitation.
>>
>> Cite?
>>
>
>Cripes, you need a CITE for the short life-spans of the late middle ages?
Nope. Just for your claim that this was because of manual labor and lack
of sanitation, as opposed to (say) malnutrition or lack of medical care.
TMOliver
>>
>
> Oh, I'm not saying 'exclusively' or 'mostly' -- just that it's
> included in the mix. And from what you say, it apparently is. We'd
> have to ask someone who knows about a rendering plant just how much
> road kill and dead pets might be brought in relative to slaughter
> byproducts.
>
As once long ago the "lending officer" for a bank financing the expansion
of a slaughter house, somewhere in my memory there's a rolodex card which
eads me to believe that in this state at least (far from the forefront of
health and safety), "rendering plants" are regulated as that they may
dispose....pet horses or pigs or certainly "roadkill" cattle (a not unusual
occurence, OK, but other critters tend to get ground into the pavement,
cast into the barrrow ditch, or go to the landfill. With the buzzard
population stable (and hungry), it would be a rare roadkill that would last
until the rendering plant truck made its rounds...
Roadkill's just more trouble and cost to collect than any "worth" which it
might impart.
TMO
Jami JoAnne
>
>If Charles is 3rd, who's on 1st?
*sigh*
Even though it's a work of fiction I suggest you get Royal Whodunits which
mentions this disease in one of the myteries.
Maybe I'm confused. Maybe it was George the 3rd. I'm not exactly good with
names, especially royalty. I'm just aware that the disease is suppose to show
up in families where there's inbreeding and who's more inbred then royalty what
with uncles marrying their nieces and all that?
I also suggest Royal Scandels. (I think that's it.) It's non-fiction and like
Snopes debunks the one about Catherine and the horse but also let's on to some
we didn't know like which queens were lesbians and which popes had kids.
Anthony McCafferty
<j...@bigbad.demon.co.uk> writes:
>>Sorry, my ignorance of the fact so many royals have the same name (God,
>can't
>>they have been creative with names?) once again betrays me. England of
>course.
>>That's the only C3 I'm aware of.
>>~Jami JoAnne Russell~
>>
>Ah, so you were thinking of Charles III, 2013 - 2025, who some years in
>the future succeeded the present Queen Elizabeth II.
>
>Fancy you knowing that. And to think there are people who say you are
>thick.
Wha'll be King but Charley?
Anthony "that comes the bingin' byke to scatter" McCafferty
Ivyblaze22
>And a real person who developed a taste for torture as entertainment and a
>fetish for blood as a 'youth' treatment might have also contributed to the
>legend. Elizabeth Bathory 'the Blood Countess' of Transylvania. Has she ever
>come up in this group before?
I don't recall seeing any posts mentioning her. Altho there have been
discussions down here in janitorial services about her.
According to Guido bloodbaths are over-rated. You just have to take another
bath when you get done to get the blood off of you.
And you should give the Countess some credit. She was a full fledged
performance artist at torture. Torture as entertainment implies that she merely
watched and listened to the lovely sounds of screaming victims. In actuality
she did a lot of torturing herself and didn't merely sit back and be
entertained. This puts her hands and horsewhips above a lot of other gentry at
the time who wouldn't have been willing to get their hands dirty no matter what
the possible payoff was.
This isn't to mean that I approve of what she did tho. I don't. Her victims
didn't volunteer in any way to be tortured. And they most certainly didn't
agree to be killed. Tho by the time the torture got to the point of killing the
victims most likely were happy to die since it ended the pain.
Robert Alston
Janitorial Services
One AFU Plaza