Wednesday's Child is Full of Porn
Drew Lawson
can't find any info on whether it was resolved. Searching the web
doesn't turn up the one bit I need. We've all seen the Cindy Brady
stories and denials, but that isn't who I'm thinking about.
I'm after Lisa Loring.
What I know is:
- Wednesday Addams on "The Addams Family" was played by a person
named Lisa Loring. [IMDB lists her as Lisa Loring(I)].
- There is an adult movie performer and producer using the name
Lisa Loring. [IMDB lists her as Lisa Loring(II).]
- Lisa Loring(I) is/was married to the porn performer sometimes
known as Jerry Butler.
I've seen it claimed that the two Lisas are the same person. The
web has nothing convincing, alternately saying they are, they aren't
and that she (one or both) is dead and alive. Oddly, the search
on snopes brings up pages with "luring" on them.
Lisa(I)'s only acting roles (per IMDB) after Lisa(II) started
working are horror flicks. That could be crossover work.
Does anyone have a good reference on this one way or the other?
Drew "I may have to get some of II's
work, for research purposes" Lawson
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Lizz Holmans
<dr...@furrfu.com> writes
>The child star who went into porn hasn't come up recently, and I
>can't find any info on whether it was resolved. Searching the web
>doesn't turn up the one bit I need. We've all seen the Cindy Brady
>stories and denials, but that isn't who I'm thinking about.
>
>I'm after Lisa Loring.
>
>What I know is:
> - Wednesday Addams on "The Addams Family" was played by a person
> named Lisa Loring. [IMDB lists her as Lisa Loring(I)].
> - There is an adult movie performer and producer using the name
> Lisa Loring. [IMDB lists her as Lisa Loring(II).]
>
> - Lisa Loring(I) is/was married to the porn performer sometimes
> known as Jerry Butler.
>
>I've seen it claimed that the two Lisas are the same person. The
>web has nothing convincing, alternately saying they are, they aren't
>and that she (one or both) is dead and alive. Oddly, the search
>on snopes brings up pages with "luring" on them.
>
>Lisa(I)'s only acting roles (per IMDB) after Lisa(II) started
>working are horror flicks. That could be crossover work.
>
>Does anyone have a good reference on this one way or the other?
I read Jerry Butler's biography several years ago. He said his wife was
the original Wednesday Addams from the TV show. I 'spect that's good
enough for me.
Lizz 'But it's a Taboo subject' Holmans
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Lizz Holmans
Dave Wilton
wrote:
>The child star who went into porn hasn't come up recently, and I
>can't find any info on whether it was resolved. Searching the web
>doesn't turn up the one bit I need. We've all seen the Cindy Brady
>stories and denials, but that isn't who I'm thinking about.
>
>I'm after Lisa Loring.
I found one source that would indicate that these are two different
Lisa Lorings, but it would easy to get the two confused. The Lisa
Loring who played Wednesday Addams hung around the fringes of the porn
industry, married Jerry Butler at one point, and was living with
pornstar Nancy Kelly (who was the daughter of Jerry Van Dyke and the
niece of Dick, Nancy Kelly IV in IMDB) when Kelly committed suicide.
This Loring appeared in one porn film in a non-sex role. Sources:
http://www.lukeford.com/stars/female/lisa_loring.html
http://us.imdb.com/Bio?Kelly,+Nancy+(IV)
The second Lisa Loring was a "legitimate" porn actress.
Another child star, Scott Schwartz, who played Flick in the movie "A
Christmas Story" and in the Richard Pryor movie "The Toy" has appeared
a few porn movies, but only had on-screen sex in one.
A google search turns up
http://www.lukeford.comstars/male/scotty_schwartz.html which says:
"Former child actor turned sex performer in 1996, Scotty Schwartz has
been hanging around porn since age 18. He stars in the mainstream
movies The Toy (with Richard Pryor) and Christmas Story. Scotty
appears in a few adult productions as a character actor, including
Comeback, and goes all the way with Julie Ashton in Scotty's X-Rated
Adventure. After spending the day on the set being interviewed by
television talk shows and the tabloid press, Scotty gave a limp
performance with the beautiful Juli Ashton and was unable to
ejaculate. "
IMDB has him listed as Scott Schwartz (II).
I could make a joke about the connection between getting your tongue
stuck to a flagpole and becoming a pornstar, but I won't.
--Dave Wilton
da...@wilton.net
http://www.wilton.net
Todd Larason
>The child star who went into porn hasn't come up recently, and I
>can't find any info on whether it was resolved. Searching the web
>doesn't turn up the one bit I need. We've all seen the Cindy Brady
>stories and denials, but that isn't who I'm thinking about.
>
>I'm after Lisa Loring.
>
>What I know is:
> - Wednesday Addams on "The Addams Family" was played by a person
> named Lisa Loring. [IMDB lists her as Lisa Loring(I)].
> - There is an adult movie performer and producer using the name
> Lisa Loring. [IMDB lists her as Lisa Loring(II).]
>
> - Lisa Loring(I) is/was married to the porn performer sometimes
> known as Jerry Butler.
Jerry Butler's 1988 autobiography _Raw Talent_ never explicitly says
"my wife Lisa Loring isn't the same Lisa Loring who's made 10 porn
movies", but it's also never said that she is. Circumstantial
evidence is pretty clear that she's not:
She resists falling in love with someone in the industry, afraid of
what other people will think and of being able to deal with knowing
he'd slept with umpteen gazillian women. She's upset the day her
older child is told about his profession, and contrasts it with her
being recognized from The Addams Family and a soap opera gig, but with
no mention of how her children might react to finding out she was in
the business.
All of the movies IMDB lists for Lisa Loring (II) are from 1987 and
earlier, predating the autobiography, so it's not just that she got
into the business later.
Todd Larason
>Jerry Butler's 1988 autobiography _Raw Talent_ never explicitly says
>"my wife Lisa Loring isn't the same Lisa Loring who's made 10 porn
>movies", but it's also never said that she is.
Following up on my own post is lame, but I thought of two more sources.
Craig Hosoda's _The Bare Facts Video Guide_ (1998 Edition), has an
entry for a Lisa Loring, with a note that she's the former wife of
Jerry Butler, but without a note that she herself was an adult film
actress, which he usually has in those cases (ie, the Traci Lords
entry on the same page).
It lists the same three films that IMDB lists for Lisa Loring (I); she
only appeared nude in one of them (_Iced_): three 'one dot' scenes[1] and
two 'two dot' scenes[2], not what I'd expect for a crossover actress.
Contrast with, say, Julia Parton, with 7 out of 9 mainstram movies
containing nude scenes.
And finally, we have _The X-Rated Videotape Guide: Volume One_ by
Robert H. Rimmer, notable both because of the author's last name and
because it's published by Prometheus Books, who also brought us such
hits as _The Horseman_ and James Randi's _Flim-Flam!_.
It has reviews for:
V: The Hot One -- doesn't mention Lisa Loring at all
One Way at a Time -- mentions LL but doesn't say anything special
about her; does say "You've never seen any of
the women before"
Daisy Mae -- doesn't mention LL
Coed Fever -- doesn't mention LL [3]
Summer School -- mentions LL but doesn't say anything special about her
Sadie -- doesn't mention LL; the review's interesting, though - this
was a somewhat serious attempt to make a sexually explicit
movie out of a serious work of art, Somerset Maugham's
_Rain_/_Sadie Thompson_.
Blondes Have More Fun -- doesn't mention LL
Garage Girls -- doesn't mention LL
_Savage Harbor_ is out of the timeframe Volume 1 covers, and _Beyond
Your Wildest Dreams_ evidentally escaped Rimmer's notice.
[1] 0:46, 0:53, 1:18
[2] 1:05, 1:13
[3] But, um, I've seen the flick. I don't recall seeing anyone who
looked like Wednesday Addams.
Lisa Cech
da...@wilton.net wrote:
> Another child star, Scott Schwartz, who played Flick in the movie "A
> Christmas Story" and in the Richard Pryor movie "The Toy" has appeared
> a few porn movies, but only had on-screen sex in one.
>
> A google search turns up
> http://www.lukeford.comstars/male/scotty_schwartz.html which says:
> "Former child actor turned sex performer in 1996, Scotty Schwartz has
> been hanging around porn since age 18. He stars in the mainstream
> movies The Toy (with Richard Pryor) and Christmas Story. Scotty
> appears in a few adult productions as a character actor, including
> Comeback, and goes all the way with Julie Ashton in Scotty's X-Rated
> Adventure. After spending the day on the set being interviewed by
> television talk shows and the tabloid press, Scotty gave a limp
> performance with the beautiful Juli Ashton and was unable to
> ejaculate. "
>
> IMDB has him listed as Scott Schwartz (II).
This is odd, because IMDB also has two different Scott Schwartzes (well,
three, actually). Scott Schwartz(I) is listed as having been in The Toy
with Richard Pryor but not in porn, while Scott Schwartz(II) is listed
as having been in A Christmas Story and lots of porn. Then again, the
time frames don't overlap. Are they the same guy or not?
To add to the confusion, IMDB also has a "Scott Schwartz (actor, other
crew member)" who is sometimes credited as Scotty Schwartz (which is
what Scott Schwartz(II) goes by in porno sometimes). To spiral ever
downward in confusion, it seems the Scott Schwartz(a,ocm) was a
production assistant for a Ron Jeremy production, did nothing
professionally for about 7 years, then reappeared as stage manager on a
kiddie movie (The Adventures of Timmy the Tooth: Big Mouth Gulch).
--Lisa "Never underestimate the power of the schwartz" Cech
Tom Sevart
"Lisa Cech" <Lisa...@dln.com> wrote in message
news:LisaCech-FEFE58.09261922022001@[155.229.126.69]...
> To spiral ever
> downward in confusion, it seems the Scott Schwartz(a,ocm) was a
> production assistant for a Ron Jeremy production, did nothing
> professionally for about 7 years, then reappeared as stage manager
on a
> kiddie movie (The Adventures of Timmy the Tooth: Big Mouth Gulch).
There's a porn movie title joke here somewhere, just can't find it.
Lizz Holmans
<Lisa...@dln.com> writes
>This is odd, because IMDB also has two different Scott Schwartzes (well,
>three, actually). Scott Schwartz(I) is listed as having been in The Toy
>with Richard Pryor but not in porn, while Scott Schwartz(II) is listed
>as having been in A Christmas Story and lots of porn. Then again, the
>time frames don't overlap. Are they the same guy or not?
>
>To add to the confusion, IMDB also has a "Scott Schwartz (actor, other
>crew member)" who is sometimes credited as Scotty Schwartz (which is
>what Scott Schwartz(II) goes by in porno sometimes). To spiral ever
>downward in confusion, it seems the Scott Schwartz(a,ocm) was a
>production assistant for a Ron Jeremy production, did nothing
>professionally for about 7 years, then reappeared as stage manager on a
>kiddie movie (The Adventures of Timmy the Tooth: Big Mouth Gulch).
One resource for those that know how to do these things would be the
actors' unions--Screen Actors Guild and Actors Equity, for instance. It
is my understanding that there can only be one actor with one
professional name at a time; others must take stage names or vary their
names in some way, so as to prevent this kind of confusion.
Lizz 'Who was the real James Stewart?' Holmans
--
Lizz Holmans
Jeff Lanam
wrote:
>
>And finally, we have _The X-Rated Videotape Guide: Volume One_ by
>Robert H. Rimmer, notable both because of the author's last name and
>because it's published by Prometheus Books, who also brought us such
>hits as _The Horseman_ and James Randi's _Flim-Flam!_.
Rimmer was also the author of _The Harrad Experiment_, which was
made into a dreadful (but sexy to a 19 year old) movie, featuring
Don Johnson and a young extra named Melanie Griffith.
Dave Wilton
<di...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>One resource for those that know how to do these things would be the
>actors' unions--Screen Actors Guild and Actors Equity, for instance. It
>is my understanding that there can only be one actor with one
>professional name at a time; others must take stage names or vary their
>names in some way, so as to prevent this kind of confusion.
>
>Lizz 'Who was the real James Stewart?' Holmans
It would help resolve the question of whether or not there were two
Scott Schwartzes, one in Christmas Story and the other in the Toy. I
don't think it would help identify porn actors though. I don't think
SAG has anything to do with that part of the industry.
R H Draney
>
> One resource for those that know how to do these things would be the
> actors' unions--Screen Actors Guild and Actors Equity, for instance. It
> is my understanding that there can only be one actor with one
> professional name at a time; others must take stage names or vary their
> names in some way, so as to prevent this kind of confusion.
Don't know that this rule is observed in the porn industry, but in
mainstream films it may be responsible for the growing number of actors
being billed with three names or obligatory middle initials....
I'm glad you qualified the principle by including the phrase "one...at a
time"...else someone going into the business would have to watch out for
collisions with actors long dead and forgotten, like the guy at
http://www.mdle.com/ClassicFilms/PhotoGalleryZ/photo2.htm who *is* in
fact captioned using the name he was always billed under....
R H "Michael J Fox's middle name is 'Andrew'" Draney
GO8GO
>three, actually). Scott Schwartz(I) is listed as having been in The Toy
>with Richard Pryor but not in porn, while Scott Schwartz(II) is listed
>as having been in A Christmas Story and lots of porn. Then again, the
>time frames don't overlap. Are they the same guy or not?
>
>To add to the confusion, IMDB also has a "Scott Schwartz (actor, other
>crew member)" who is sometimes credited as Scotty Schwartz (which is
>what Scott Schwartz(II) goes by in porno sometimes). To spiral ever
>downward in confusion, it seems the Scott Schwartz(a,ocm) was a
>production assistant for a Ron Jeremy production, did nothing
>professionally for about 7 years, then reappeared as stage manager on a
>kiddie movie (The Adventures of Timmy the Tooth: Big Mouth Gulch).>>
IMBD is hardly the ultimate in film credits, but Scott Schwartz, ACS and porn
alum is one and the same. A recent special on him on E! True Hollywood Story
(a goldmine of factual information ;-o) told how he got the production job in
porno while waiting for legit acting jobs to come in, only to get drawn into
the world when the other jobs never materialized.
Sean Murgatroyd
"Drew Lawson" <dr...@furrfu.com> wrote in message
news:t98f242...@corp.supernews.com...
In http://www.kaos2000.net/interviews/susanolsen00.html
Susan Olson, who weirdly enough played Cindy Brady asserts this about Lisa
Loring: "No, she never did porn. She was married to a hard core porn star
and she had a heroin problem. " As to the two Lisa's, well the people over
at rec.arts.erotica suggest on their website:
http://www.rame.net/faq/part6.html#xtocid17681
that in fact the porn star Lisa K. Loring took her stage name from the
*original* Lisa Loring without bothering to figure out that shit may in fact
come down as a result.
And please, don't make me look at any more celebrity porn.
Sean "Number V is alive!" (Whoever she is...)
brian tivol
> I don't think it would help identify porn actors though. I don't
> think SAG has anything to do with that part of the industry.
Only when the actresses are ELDERLY.
--brian
Drew Lawson
R H Draney <dado...@earthlink.net> writes:
>collisions with actors long dead and forgotten, like the guy at
>http://www.mdle.com/ClassicFilms/PhotoGalleryZ/photo2.htm who *is* in
>fact captioned using the name he was always billed under....
Whodathunk.
The hat and whip make all the difference.
Drew "and he hides his age well" Lawson
~CR@IG~
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