Greenberry Hill
Thomas Andrews
"Magnolia." At least one of them is a false urban legend (the
"guy is shot to death accidentally as he plummets in a suicide
attempt" story.)
One of those stories is the story of a murder in a place called
Greenberry Hill in London, committed by three men named Green,
Berry, and Hill.
There are a few references to this on the web, in lists of weird events
and coincidences:
[ http://users.hsonline.net/mnichols/cares.htm ]
Three men who killed Sir Edmund Berry were hanged for the murder
in 1911 at London's Greenberry Hill. Their last names were Green,
Berry, and Hill.
[ http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Surf/1741/useless1.htm ]
In 1911 three men were hanged in London for the murder of Sir
Edmund Berry at Greenberry Hill. Their names were Green, Berry
and Hill.
Note, these two are slightly different - in one Greenberry Hill
is the location of the murder, in another it is the location of the
hanging.
So, can anybody confirm or refute this story?
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Mark Summerfield
Two cites:
> Three men who killed Sir Edmund Berry were hanged for the murder
> in 1911 at London's Greenberry Hill.
and
> In 1911 three men were hanged in London for the murder of Sir
> Edmund Berry at Greenberry Hill.
and commented:
> Note, these two are slightly different - in one Greenberry Hill
> is the location of the murder, in another it is the location of the
> hanging.
Not necessarily different -- assuming Greenberry Hill itself *is* within
the greater London area, the first one is ambiguous, and it is not
clear whether it was the the hanging or the murder which took place there.
It's also possible that both the murder *and* the hanging took place at
Greenberry Hill, in London, and that both interpretations are therefore
equally correct.
Mark "shift/reduce conflict" Summerfield
Thomas Andrews
Andy Walton
Andrews) wrote:
:One of those stories is the story of a murder in a place called
:Greenberry Hill in London, committed by three men named Green,
:Berry, and Hill.
:
:There are a few references to this on the web, in lists of weird events
:and coincidences:
:
: [ http://users.hsonline.net/mnichols/cares.htm ]
: Three men who killed Sir Edmund Berry were hanged for the murder
: in 1911 at London's Greenberry Hill. Their last names were Green,
: Berry, and Hill.
:
: [ http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Surf/1741/useless1.htm ]
: In 1911 three men were hanged in London for the murder of Sir
: Edmund Berry at Greenberry Hill. Their names were Green, Berry
: and Hill.
:
:Note, these two are slightly different - in one Greenberry Hill
:is the location of the murder, in another it is the location of the
:hanging.
The wording is awkward. Either version, with a simple misplaced modifier,
could place either the murder or the hanging on Greenbury Hill.
:So, can anybody confirm or refute this story?
I can do neither, but I can offer a cite -- it was in the late '70s book
(and infamous UL vector) "The People's Almanac," or in "The Book of Lists"
or "The Book of Lists 2," by the same authors. Those books all run
together in my recollection, but I recall the wording as being precisely
that of the geocities cite above.
Andy "I found my thrill..." Walton
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Tim Dunne
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> So, can anybody confirm or refute this story?
Um, I recall reading about this is an article called 'The Cosmic Joker'
(or somesuch) from a mid-80's Orbis partwork available in the UK called 'The
Unexplained'. I wouldn't guarantee the veracity of the work, however, as the
same publication also claimed that psychokinesis (sp?) was a proved fact...
it just proves that it's a fairly widely told story.
Tim 'Just hangin' around' Dunne
John Caldwell
, Andy Walton <att...@mindspring.com> writes
One thing I can confirm is that this appears to be a mangling of some
goings-on during the "Popish Plot" in 17th Century Britain. Three of the
alleged murderers of Sir Edmund Berry Godfrey, named Robert Green, Henry
Berry and Lawrence Hill, were hanged in 1679 (Green and Hill on Feb 21,
and Berry on Feb 28). Godfrey's body was found in Primrose Hill.
This, of course, does not make quite such a good story as the one we are
being asked to confirm or refute. This whole area is shot-through with
religion and not a little politics, so I'll desist from giving further
details. I lifted the above name and date details from here:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11173c.htm; I'm sure the good folk at
the Catholic Encyclopedia won't mind.
What caught my eye was the reference to "Greenberry Hill" in London.
I live about 20 miles south-west of Trafalgar Square, so I'm hardly a
Londoner, but I have never heard of it.
--
John Caldwell
Thomas Andrews
In the movie, I believe they make it the name of the murder victim's
shop/restaurant.
You're right, these three names and the fact that "Edmund Berry" occurs
in both stories, gives a strong indication that the second story was
built from the first.
Mike Holmans
>
>What caught my eye was the reference to "Greenberry Hill" in London.
>I live about 20 miles south-west of Trafalgar Square, so I'm hardly a
>Londoner, but I have never heard of it.
Neither have I, and I live less than 2 miles south-west of Trafalgar
Square.
There's a Greenberry St in St John's Wood, between Lord's Cricket Ground
and The Regent's Park, but it's not a very hilly area, so I'd be
surprised if it were named after a nearby hill. There are no other
Greenberry or Greenbury streetnames in the Greater London area,
according to the streetguides.
This doesn't mean there wasn't one some time back, the name having been
lost after it was built all over and an Underground station built
nearby, but the coincidence of the names and alleged location makes it
seem extremely unlikely to me.
Mike "no idea why they call it Shoot Up Hill either" Holmans
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Nick Spalding
> There's a Greenberry St in St John's Wood, between Lord's Cricket Ground
> and The Regent's Park, but it's not a very hilly area, so I'd be
> surprised if it were named after a nearby hill. There are no other
> Greenberry or Greenbury streetnames in the Greater London area,
> according to the streetguides.
> This doesn't mean there wasn't one some time back, the name having been
> lost after it was built all over and an Underground station built
> nearby, but the coincidence of the names and alleged location makes it
> seem extremely unlikely to me.
Not even the St John's Wood one appears in the 1904 edition of
Philips' Handy-Volume Atlas of the County of London.
--
Nick Spalding
Simon Slavin
John Caldwell <Jo...@hersham0.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> What caught my eye was the reference to "Greenberry Hill" in London.
> I live about 20 miles south-west of Trafalgar Square, so I'm hardly a
> Londoner, but I have never heard of it.
Nor me. Primrose Hill is well-known. I don't remember hearing
of Greenberry Hill and I lived in London for my first 22 years.
Simon.
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<<The three men were sentenced to death 5 February 1679 and hanged at Primrose Hill. For a time this was known as "Greenberry Hill", because of the hangings of Green, Berry and Hill.>>
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Berry_Godfrey