Jamie Lee Curtis?
?...@world.std.com
Couldn't find it in the FAQ, but a friend is asking me about
the "Jamie Lee Curtis is a hemophradite" thang.
Seem to remember it was an extra chromosone or two, but can't recall
for certain.
Can anyone help?
Mike Holmans
??@world.std.com felt like saying:
>Couldn't find it in the FAQ, but a friend is asking me about
>the "Jamie Lee Curtis is a hemophradite" thang.
>
We don't know, and unless Jamie Lee Curtis chooses to go public, we
won't know unless her doctor breaches patient confidentiality.
This is one of the most boring threads possible for AFU, because there
is nothing to discuss and no cite possible. So just leave it.
Mike "" Holmans
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Bruce Tindall
In article <Etw0o...@world.std.com>, <??@world.std.com> wrote:
>Couldn't find it in the FAQ, but a friend is asking me about
>the "Jamie Lee Curtis is a hemophradite" thang.
The FAQ gives it a "U", which means "unknown whether it's
true or false." The general opinion around AFU is that
it's also nobody's damned business.
>Seem to remember it was an extra chromosone or two, but can't recall
>for certain.
Well, it was discussed ad nauseam several times on AFU in the
past few years; DejaNews can dig it up for you.
B "I heard the _governor_ was requiring everybody to have
_seven_ extra chromosomes" T
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Bruce Tindall
>In article <Etw0o...@world.std.com>, <??@world.std.com> wrote:
>>Couldn't find it in the FAQ, but a friend is asking me about
>>the "Jamie Lee Curtis is a hemophradite" thang.
I answered this post, but I may have answered the wrong question.
I thought that ?? had said "hermaphrodite", but in fact ?? said
"hemophradite". This word is not in my dic, but it would seem to
mean something like "container of blood" (hemo = blood, phradite
perhaps from a bad conjugation of Gk. phrassein, to enclose).
In that case, yes, JLC is a hemophradite, and so are you and I
and all other mammals.
B "including James Tiberius Kirk, ugly bag of mostly water" T
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Keith Morrison
Bruce Tindall wrote:
> B "including James Tiberius Kirk, ugly bag of mostly water" T
...when in fact J.T. Kirk was never called that.
mitcho
Considering who got hooked, is this what is referred to as "ice
fishing?"
Mitcho
Richard Brandt
D. P. Roberts wrote:
> (Now do you suppose that's an obvious troll? How many outraged replies do
> you suppose there will be saying "Jamie Lee Curtis and Richard Gere were
> never together!")
Now that you mention it, I don't recall ever seeing them in a
room at the same time.
Richard "as Janet Jackson" Brandt
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D. P. Roberts
>Couldn't find it in the FAQ, but a friend is asking me about
>the "Jamie Lee Curtis is a hemophradite" thang.
It's in the FAQ, but if your friend can't tell by looking at JLC, then he
(assuming he's a he) is surely hopeless.
She just gets better and better. I about fell out of my chair during "Fierce
Creatures."
But then again, she just may be. Isn't that why Richard Gere left her?
houghi
On Tue, 02 Jun 1998 03:08:03 GMT, in...@montoya.net (D. P. Roberts)
wrote:
>She just gets better and better. I about fell out of my chair during "Fierce
>Creatures."
>
>But then again, she just may be. Isn't that why Richard Gere left her?
I thought JamieLC left RichardG because of those little gerbils
messing up the house.
"where's the peanut butter" houghi
C. Hillman
On Mon, 1 Jun 1998 ??@world.std.com wrote:
> Couldn't find it in the FAQ, but a friend is asking me about
> the "Jamie Lee Curtis is a hemophradite" thang.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
hermaphrodite
I remember hearing something many years ago to the effect that many top
models are afflicted with a rare disorder, congenital adrenogenital
syndrome (a malfunction of the adrenal gland), which IIRC typically
results in an extremely voluptuous female figure, abnormally small female
external genitalia, and undescended testes in place of ovaries.
Technically someone with this syndrome would be a psuedohermaphrodite,
i.e. having the external appearance and external genitalia of one sex and
the internal genitalia of another. Needless to say, anyone suffering from
such a condition is completely sterile. However, to all appearance they
healthy females, and the condition often comes to light when they have
trouble conceiving. My source for this information was a specialist whose
patients supposedly included a number of top fashion models (no names
mentioned, needless to say!).
Since (IIRC) JLC has healthy children, I think one can safely dismiss the
suggestion that she is a pseudohermaphrodite :-/
> Seem to remember it was an extra chromosone or two, but can't recall
> for certain.
You are probably thinking of Klinefelter's syndrome, in which one has an
extra X chromsome, i.e. XXY instead of XY (male) or XX (female). Persons
afflicted with this syndrome are externally -male-, tend to be tall and
somewhat feminized (e.g. beardless) in appearance, and sterile. Clearly
JLC doesn't suffer from -that- either.
Anyone interested in this thread will want to read the NYT article on
Billy Tipton, a jazz musician who lived as a man and was even married to
several women who never discovered that "he" was in fact a woman who
started crossdressing in her teens because that was the only way she could
play with professional jazz musicians. Tiptons (adopted) sons and friends
only found out about this deception upon his death. According to his
sons, he was a model father, so rush not to judge him/her.
Chris Hillman
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Ben Walsh
Susan Vaughn wrote:
> Really? Ms. Curtis' healthy children -- Annie, 10, and Thomas, 1 -- are
> adopted. I think one can safely dismiss your pseudoassertion because
> of this.
The woman's name is Lady Christopher Haden-Guest.
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Louann Miller
In article <Pine.A41.3.96a.980602213510.51518E-
100...@dante41.u.washington.edu>, opti...@u.washington.edu
says...
> I remember hearing something many years ago to the effect that many top
> models are afflicted with a rare disorder, congenital adrenogenital
> syndrome (a malfunction of the adrenal gland), which IIRC typically
> results in an extremely voluptuous female figure, abnormally small female
> external genitalia, and undescended testes in place of ovaries.
Top models NEVER have extremely voluptuous female figures.
If your source said this syndrome produces extremely thin
female figures, you might be on to something.
There's another urban legend about a fashion editor flipping
through someone else's magazine and she sees this
black and white picture of a person with a semi-shaved head
(Sinead O'Connorish) and vertically striped shirt. She
thinks "interesting look, heroin chic style, I don't
recognize the model" and then reads the caption. It was a
liberation of Auchwitz photo.
True foaf material; it was in an editorial that a women's
studies professor had taped to her office door, and I can't
get at the clipping to verify the source.
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Pergish1
Ben Walsh, <be...@iona.nospam.please.wereirish.com>, alt.folklore.urban, Wed, 03
Jun 1998 12:45:35 :
>
>The woman's name is Lady Christopher Haden-Guest.
Actually, shouldn't that be Lady Jamie Haden-Guest?
Ugh. On second thought, maybe it shouldn't, even if it should.
Margaret "Her Bodaciousness" L
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Ben Walsh
Pergish1 wrote:
> Actually, shouldn't that be Lady Jamie Haden-Guest?
>
> Ugh. On second thought, maybe it shouldn't, even if it should.
As far as I know, no. She doesn't have the title herself; it's her
husband's.
ben "fierce creature" w.
timc...@nospamunlimited.net
>
>Top models NEVER have extremely voluptuous female figures.
>If your source said this syndrome produces extremely thin
>female figures, you might be on to something.
>
When I was a teenager, my mother told me that **ALL** male fashion
designers were homosexual and hated women. Thats why the clothes were
designed to make normal looking women look hideous. This seems even
more true today then it did back then (1960's).
CMcE
Dan Mielcarz
In article
<Pine.A41.3.96a.98060...@dante41.u.washington.edu>, "C.
Hillman" <opti...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>On Mon, 1 Jun 1998 ??@world.std.com wrote:
>
>> Couldn't find it in the FAQ, but a friend is asking me about
>> the "Jamie Lee Curtis is a hemophradite" thang.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> hermaphrodite
>
>I remember hearing something many years ago to the effect that many top
>models are afflicted with a rare disorder, congenital adrenogenital
>syndrome (a malfunction of the adrenal gland), which IIRC typically
>results in an extremely voluptuous female figure, abnormally small female
>external genitalia, and undescended testes in place of ovaries.
>Technically someone with this syndrome would be a psuedohermaphrodite,
>i.e. having the external appearance and external genitalia of one sex and
>the internal genitalia of another. Needless to say, anyone suffering from
>such a condition is completely sterile. However, to all appearance they
>healthy females, and the condition often comes to light when they have
>trouble conceiving. My source for this information was a specialist whose
>patients supposedly included a number of top fashion models (no names
>mentioned, needless to say!).
The disorder that JLC supposedly has is called androgen insensitivity
syndrome. What this means is that while her chromosomes are XY, like men,
her cells have broken testosterone receptors. Since human fetuses are, by
default, female, the body develops externally as a female with undescended
testes. These testes pump out the normal amount of testosterone, but they
do not masculinize the fetus because the receptor is broken. Their
external genitalia thus develop in the female form. They do respond to
another, more limited, masculinizing hormone (Anti-Muellerian Hormone)
which inhibits the formation of the fallopian tubes and uterus. Since the
adrenal glands produce estrogen, the women with this disorder develop
secondary sex characteristics such as breasts and pubic hair. I'm looking
at a picture of a woman with this disorder in a textbook, and she looks
completely normal. One wouldn't be able to tell.
[Source: Gilbert, Scott F. _Developmental Biology_. Sinauer Associates
Inc.: Sunderland, Mass., 1997]
This condition probably comes to light when these females do not
experience their first menstruation and go to a doctor to find out what is
wrong.
My Developmental Biology professor related the story of her having this
syndrome. I had heard the story before, but reading this newsgroup has
made me a bit more skeptical about such things. So I asked him, do you
know for SURE that she has this, or is it just a rumor. He confessed that
he had no idea.
>Since (IIRC) JLC has healthy children, I think one can safely dismiss the
>suggestion that she is a pseudohermaphrodite :-/
I believe that JLC has healthy ADOPTED children, which is circumstancial
evidence that points to her being infertile or sterile. It could also
point to her wanting to provide for children who needed help, rather than
making her own. In any event, she has written (and illustrated, I
believe) a children's book about being adopted.
-Dan
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Madeleine Page
Dan Mielcarz (Dan.Mi...@dartmouth.edu) wrote a model post, and I just
wanted quietly to celebrate that fact. First, he describes (briefly and
elegantly) androgen insensitivity syndrome. Then he provides a cite for
the claims he makes about AIS. And then he says, thoughtfully and
carefully, about JLC:
>My Developmental Biology professor related the story of her having this
>syndrome. I had heard the story before, but reading this newsgroup has
>made me a bit more skeptical about such things. So I asked him, do you
>know for SURE that she has this, or is it just a rumor. He confessed that
>he had no idea.
So he *checked the source*. And found it wanting. Woohoo.
Finally, Dan M corrects a piece of misinformation without falling for the
sensationalist approach:
>I believe that JLC has healthy ADOPTED children, which is circumstancial
>evidence that points to her being infertile or sterile. It could also
>point to her wanting to provide for children who needed help, rather than
>making her own.
Wish we could clone contributors like this. We need them on afu.
Madeleine "genuinely appreciative" Page
Bill Bedford
Susan Vaughn <windj...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> I hope one day they'll allow a *woman* to design our clothes
> because everything will change!
>
Like -uh- Vivian Westwood?
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C. Hillman
On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Susan Vaughn wrote:
> C. Hillman wrote:
>
> >>Since (IIRC) JLC has healthy children, I think one can safely dismiss
> >> the suggestion that she is a pseudohermaphrodite :-/
>
> Really? Ms. Curtis' healthy children -- Annie, 10, and Thomas, 1 -- are
> adopted. I think one can safely dismiss your pseudoassertion because
> of this.
I didn't know that. And :-/ is a wry smile, which is my most common
expression after my ferocious scowl :-( so they are genuine emoticons
But anyway, about JLC, the fact(?) that her children are adopted doesn't
imply in the logical sense that she is sterile, which in turn does not
imply that she is a psuedohermaphrodite. To put it another way,
voluptuous/attractive women are much less rare than psuedohermaphrodites.
Chris "just trying to inject some common sense into this thread" Hillman
C. Hillman
On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Dan Mielcarz wrote:
> The disorder that JLC supposedly has is called androgen insensitivity
> syndrome.
I guess I am getting uncomfortable about participating in this discussion
<insert nervous looking emoticon here>, because we are talking about
awfully personal stuff concerning a living person. If the rumor is
true it would seem to me a breach of confidentiality unless JLC has spoken
in public about this. At this point I doubt the rumor true, though.
> My Developmental Biology professor related the story of her having this
> syndrome. I had heard the story before, but reading this newsgroup has
> made me a bit more skeptical about such things. So I asked him, do you
> know for SURE that she has this, or is it just a rumor. He confessed that
> he had no idea.
I'm not suprised. I'm inclined to think its a rather nasty (untrue) rumor
started by someone with a little medical knowledge and alot of hostility
toward attractive women.
> It could also point to her wanting to provide for children who needed
> help, rather than making her own.
Exactly.
Chris Hillman
Roger Carbol
Susan Vaughn wrote:
> I hope one day they'll allow a *woman* to design our clothes
> because everything will change!
Donna Karen doesn't count because she's really a hermaphrodite?
.. Roger Carbol .. r...@shaw.wave.ca .. en vogue
H.W.M.
Louann Miller wrote:
> Top models NEVER have extremely voluptuous female figures.
> If your source said this syndrome produces extremely thin
> female figures, you might be on to something.
>
Ohh you should visit Stockholm and see the woman they have in the HM's
(clothesstore chain) ads... she is voluptuous.
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C. Hillman <opti...@u.washington.edu> wrote in alt.folklore.urban:
>I didn't know that. And :-/ is a wry smile, which is my most common
>expression after my ferocious scowl :-( so they are genuine emoticons
^^^^^^^^^
You pissmelled line noise.
Anno "helpful" Siegel
Richard D Jenkins
(snipped )
> ....... I'm looking
> at a picture of a woman with this disorder in a textbook, and she > looks completely normal. One wouldn't be able to tell.
I remember hearing (on BBC radio - muzzbeedrew!) of a British Olympic
level female athlete who had to retire (quietly!) after a sex
confirmation test threw up strange results .... Everyone concerned
was, to say the least, shocked, upset etc.
Would the syndrome described fit with such a scenario ?
Anyone else heard about this tale ?
Cheers!
Richard "hmmmmm" Jenkins
RM Mentock
Roger Carbol wrote:
>
> Susan Vaughn wrote:
>
> > I hope one day they'll allow a *woman* to design our clothes
> > because everything will change!
>
> Donna Karen doesn't count because she's really a hermaphrodite?
You gotta be careful with Susan. Start from the assumption
of esoteric hyperbolic satire (not that that's bad), and it
reads much better.
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Maybe not esoteric, exactly, and maybe not hyperbolic, exactly, ...
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marcus
??@world.std.com wrote:
> Couldn't find it in the FAQ, but a friend is asking me about
> the "Jamie Lee Curtis is a hemophradite" thang.
>
> Seem to remember it was an extra chromosone or two, but can't recall
> for certain.
>
> Can anyone help?
Old old old thread.
hermaphrodite is the wrong term, meaning the person has both sex organs.
the question regarding JLC is whether she is whats called a 'testicular
male'. a very misleading nomer for those with no medical knowlege.
1.) all babys in the womb begin as female.
2.) at some point, the male chromosomes switch on and begin producing
male horemones, changing the fetus's sex to male.
3.) sometimes, the cells dont listen to the horemones message to change
the bodys physical characteristics to male. the baby then procedes to
develope the default female body.
these females grow to maturity and usually never know they are
chromosomally male untill their periods do not begin. it takes a doctors
examination to determine that they have no uterus.
Ive personally known 3 such people. they are as female in every way as
any other.
whether JLC is one, is her business.
Marcus
GrapeApe
> Donna Karen doesn't count because she's really a hermaphrodite?
I guess it depends on how you interpret the DKNY line (Donna Karen No
Ychromosome). Does that mean she has one but her customers shouldn't or
something else?
Jay Friberg
Well, lets just stop all of this right now. I will volunteer to check
(if JLC will let me) and report back to the group. I know its a
dangerous job, but I will selflessly attempt to do my duty.
Jay (don't I wish) Williams
C. Hillman
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Richard D Jenkins wrote:
> I remember hearing (on BBC radio - muzzbeedrew!) of a British Olympic
> level female athlete who had to retire (quietly!) after a sex
> confirmation test threw up strange results .... Everyone concerned
> was, to say the least, shocked, upset etc.
>
> Would the syndrome described fit with such a scenario ?
Yes, I think so.
> Anyone else heard about this tale ?
I think I did hear about that, but I have no idea if your suggested
explanation is correct.
D. P. Roberts
>But anyway, about JLC, the fact(?) that her children are adopted doesn't
>imply in the logical sense that she is sterile, which in turn does not
>imply that she is a psuedohermaphrodite. To put it another way,
>voluptuous/attractive women are much less rare than psuedohermaphrodites.
It might be true. I saw "The Princess Bride" in which hubby Christopher
Guest played a rather poofy sadist. And he also played the rather poofy
Nigel "D Minor" Tufnel in the Spinal Tap movie.
Before everyone gets in an uproar, I think Christopher Guest is a comic
genius, and I have no doubt about the femininininity of Jamie Lee. Some
women cause my thought-to-be-defunct hormones to kick into high gear, and she
is one of them. Kathy Ireland might be another, Farrah Forke causes them to
boil over.
Judy Johnson
Madeleine Page wrote:
>Dan Mielcarz (Dan.Mi...@dartmouth.edu) wrote a model post, and I just
>wanted quietly to celebrate that fact.
To which I would like to add my admiration, however, I have one nit to
pick.
Dan writ:
>The disorder that JLC supposedly has is called androgen insensitivity
>syndrome.
While this is certainly one of the most common variants of this
pernicious rumo(u)r, AIS is not the only cause suggested for JLC's
supposed condition. In particular, the AIS variant seems entrenched
in college biology classes, just as Dan demonstrated (and my hearty
congratulations to Dan for challenging his prof).
However, it seems that we have heard various permutations of the
story, including at least one botched c*rc*mc*s*i*n.
My point, dull though it may be, is that while the AIS version has a
certain cachet, and more legs than the other variants, it somehow
seems illogical to argue that it's not that we can't prove that JLC is
or isn't a hermaphrodite, rather, we can't prove that she does or
doesn't have AIS. [1]
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going let Maggie parse the fuck out of
that last sentence, the writing of which has given me a tremendous
headache.
Judy "not tonight, dear" Johnson
[1] I am also amazed that we have so far managed to keep this thread
rolling without once using the term "execrable".
Ben Walsh
D. P. Roberts wrote:
> It might be true. I saw "The Princess Bride" in which hubby Christopher
> Guest played a rather poofy sadist. And he also played the rather poofy
> Nigel "D Minor" Tufnel in the Spinal Tap movie.
Well, that settles it then.
All that "might be true" is that this subject leads to nothing but
tawdry and unseemly speculation.
ben "and we can't have *that* on Usenet" w.
Mike Holmans
Judy Johnson <jaj...@lightspeed.net> felt like saying:
>My point, dull though it may be, is that while the AIS version has a
>certain cachet, and more legs than the other variants,
I presume this is how you etymologists signal approval.
Mike "amalgamated insect society" Holmans
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In a previous article, Mike Holmans <pos...@jackalope.demon.co.uk.DELETE> said:
>Judy Johnson <jaj...@lightspeed.net> felt like saying:
>>My point, dull though it may be, is that while the AIS version has a
>>certain cachet, and more legs than the other variants,
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>I presume this is how you etymologists signal approval.
Geez, I hope I don't see how Diane Kelly signals approval.
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Simon Slavin
In article <3576A3...@hwuk.demon.co.uk>,
Richard D Jenkins <r...@hwuk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> (snipped )
> > ....... I'm looking
> > at a picture of a woman with this disorder in a textbook, and she > looks completely normal. One wouldn't be able to tell.
>
> I remember hearing (on BBC radio - muzzbeedrew!) of a British Olympic
> level female athlete who had to retire (quietly!) after a sex
> confirmation test threw up strange results .... Everyone concerned
> was, to say the least, shocked, upset etc.
>
> Would the syndrome described fit with such a scenario ?
>
> Anyone else heard about this tale ?
Me. No, it wasn't quite the same combination of unusual hormonal
and physiological characteristics, but it was similar at the level
of description used in newspapers. If I recall correctly, the
athlete herself had been unaware that her highly-personal set of
strangities actually indicated that she should have disqualified
herself from competition.
JLC has, at least once, refused to react to a question which would
have clarified her physical sexuality. I think it's unlikely that
she will shed light on this matter in the near future, and I would
(indeed /did/) post derisively about unsubstantiated claims that
her physician had revealed the contents of her medical records.
Let's leave it alone ? She's a good-looking actress who appears to
have a well-functioning marriage and two children.
Simon.
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RM Mentock <men...@mindspring.com> writes:
>Roger Carbol wrote:
>> Susan Vaughn wrote:
>> > I hope one day they'll allow a *woman* to design our clothes
>> > because everything will change!
>>
>> Donna Karen doesn't count because she's really a hermaphrodite?
>You gotta be careful with Susan. Start from the assumption
>of esoteric hyperbolic satire (not that that's bad), and it
>reads much better.
Or, if you're dumb like me, notice the "Just another Coco joke"
remark, and that might clue you in.
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Phil Edwards
ptom...@canoe.xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
|In a previous article, Mike Holmans <pos...@jackalope.demon.co.uk.DELETE> said:
|>Judy Johnson <jaj...@lightspeed.net> felt like saying:
|>>My point, dull though it may be, is that while the AIS version has a
|>>certain cachet, and more legs than the other variants,
|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>I presume this is how you etymologists signal approval.
|
|Geez, I hope I don't see how Diane Kelly signals approval.
You have a problem with rutabaga?
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Phil Edwards
slavins.at.hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) wrote:
|Me. No, it wasn't quite the same combination of unusual hormonal
|and physiological characteristics, but it was similar at the level
|of description used in newspapers. If I recall correctly, the
|athlete herself had been unaware that her highly-personal set of
|strangities actually indicated that she should have disqualified
|herself from competition.
I've heard it argued, with a straight face, that this type of test is
necessary because any woman athlete who was Not Female Enough would
have an unfair advantage over all the other girlies. I don't know if
male athletes are similarly weeded out. ("Ah, Phil - yes, I've got
your results. You know, I think we all wonder sometimes, Am I a real
man? The uncertainty can be painful, can't it? Well, I've got some
good news for you and some bad news...")
Are we talking about Diane Modahl, by the way?
|Let's leave it alone ? She's a good-looking actress who appears to
|have a well-functioning marriage and two children.
Huh? If none of those conditions obtained she'd have exactly the same
right to keep shtum about her chromosomes.
Phil "Our Chromosomes Ourselves" Edwards
Roger Carbol
Phil Edwards wrote:
> |Let's leave it alone ? She's a good-looking actress who appears to
> |have a well-functioning marriage and two children.
>
> Huh? If none of those conditions obtained she'd have exactly the same
> right to keep shtum about her chromosomes.
In contrast, are Royal British Brides still officially checked to
see if their borders are still sovereign?
.. Roger Carbol .. r...@shaw.wave.ca .. fresh cherry pie
Joe Thompson
In article <6l3sho$fe0$1...@camel29.mindspring.com>, "Susan Vaughn"
<windj...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Oh, absolutely. Woman hater Calvin Klein puts out those
> ridiculously tight, ugly corsets. And woman hater Ralph Lauren
> (the pig -- he even pretends to be married to a woman!)
> designs those wild, ill-fitting salsa costumes. And let's not
> forget that horrible deceased woman hater Gianni Versace
> who created skirt-blouse combinations out of fish heads
> and garbage bags.
>
> I hope one day they'll allow a *woman* to design our clothes
> because everything will change!
From _The Dilbert Future_ by Scott Adams (talking about what men really do
and don't control, society-wise):
Fashion:
If men controlled fashion, they'd convince women to wear uncomfortable,
pointy-heeled shoes that made legs look attractive. They'd promote bras that
lifted the breasts upward for no apparent reason. The standard business
attire for women would be skirts that display lots of leg. Men, on the other
hand, would be able to get away with wearing a dull gray suit or jeans every
single day.
Actually, I guess that's the way it is...
-- Joe
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tomlinson
Famous herms? Undoubtedly the most famous were the herms (i.e.
statues of a stylized Hermes, with erect penis) in Athens,
which some unknown vandals desecrated, knocking off heads and
penes from the statues, shortly before Athens's disastrous
assault on Sicily, in 413 B.C. during the Peloponnesian War.
q.v. book 6 of Thucydides's history, and Aristophanes's
"Lysistrata".
--
Ernest S. Tomlinson
Charles A. Lieberman
C. Hillman
> I didn't know that. And :-/ is a wry smile, which is my most common
> expression after my ferocious scowl :-( so they are genuine emoticons
The short version of my reply is "too damn bad"
The long version is this: AFU readers are assumed to have sufficient
reading comprehension to gather some inkling of emotion from wording and
the like, without requiring correspondents to resort to inane and obnoxious
ASCII art. The "genuineness" of an emoticon is, in my experience,
irrelevant. That you didn't realize it was frowned upon, the more tolerant
among the regulars will likely accept (I agree with the less tolerant, who
hold that it does not require much mental exertion to lurk before posting,
and that the paucity of smileys should indicate the low status thereof).
That, when informed of the custom, you assert that the custom is wrong is
not likely to make the intolerant tolerant, and I cannot guarantee it won't
have the opposite effect.
--
Charles A. Lieberman http://members.tripod.com/~calieber/index.html
Brooklyn, New York, USA
"The child is father to the man" --Oedipus