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Cyber Mule

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Heard this on UPN 13 here in LA last night.....apparently a man had 2
inches removed from his penis during a sexual expereince with a
vaccum. I'll be damned if I can find a cite for it anywhere though.
SOunds UL-ish....but a legitimate tv station reported on the
injury....anyone else hear about it?

Becca Ward

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Associated Press report of May 13, 1998:

Man's penis severed by vacuum cleaner

LONG BRANCH, N.J.: A 51-year-old man seeking sexual gratification with a
vacuum cleaner nearly bled to death when the machine cut off a half-inch
of his penis, authorities said.

The intoxicated man first told police that someone had stabbed him in
the crotch as he slept, Long Branch public safety director Louis
Napoletano said.

However, officers who responded to Monday's call for help instead
realized the man had hoped to obtain sexual pleasure from the appliance's
suction, Napoletano said.

"But what he didn't realize is that there's a blade in the vacuum
cleaner right under where the hose attaches that pushes the dust into the
collection bag," he said.

When the man, who was not identified by police, turned on the vacuum
cleaner, the blade cut off part of his penis. The victim told detectives
he did not remember the incident.

Doctors at Monmouth Medical Center were able to stop the bleeding but
were unable to reattach the severed part, Napoletano said. He was listed
in stable condition Tuesday.

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I guess he didn't want to go to the trouble of having his lower ribs
removed, and the long tube attachment to the vacuum might have been a bit
narrow.

Becca " " Ward


axel heyst

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In article <355b274e...@news.earthlink.net>,
iluv...@bigfoot.com (Cyber Mule) wrote:

>
>Heard this on UPN 13 here in LA last night.....apparently a man had 2
>inches removed from his penis during a sexual expereince with a
>vaccum. I'll be damned if I can find a cite for it anywhere though.
>SOunds UL-ish....but a legitimate tv station reported on the
>injury....anyone else hear about it?

They mentioned it on the televison show, "The View," yesterday and they
had newspaper clippings that they were reading from. "They" in this case is
the team of fairly annoying women anchors who host the show: Meredith
Viera, Debbie Matenopolous, Joy Behar, Starr Jones, and Barbara Walters. It
is a talk show that dabbles in news, slightly, and does mostly celebrity
interviews and fluff pieces. It is aired late night where I live, after
Conan O'Brien (another talk show but pretty funny), and I really only watch
it because I lust for twenty-three year old husky-voiced bombshell
Matenopolous in a MAJOR way. I really don't watch that much teevee, I
swear.

axel heyst

KBDKBeav

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May 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/14/98
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Conan O'Brien did a joke about this Wednesday night.

keith

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May 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/15/98
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On Thu, 14 May 1998 19:02:10 GMT, Becca Ward <talo...@deathstar.org>
wrote:

>On Thu, 14 May 1998, Cyber Mule wrote:
>>
>> Heard this on UPN 13 here in LA last night.....apparently a man had 2
>> inches removed from his penis during a sexual expereince with a
>> vaccum. I'll be damned if I can find a cite for it anywhere though.
>> SOunds UL-ish....but a legitimate tv station reported on the
>> injury....anyone else hear about it?

Becca,

this is type of accident is not new.

i was first told by a fellow patient (who was an ambulance driver)
about an incident he had experienced with a client/patient who
had used a "Dustette" way back in 1970 i was in hospital in Oxford,
the UK.

the person had told him that he was in a hurry and was vacuuming his
seat (forgetting that his flies were undone). the ambulance driver
did not believe his story. it must have happened in 1969.

don't do this at home....

keith
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"you can take a horse to water, but a pencil has to
be lead" from The Foreman went to France 1941.

Degerberg

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May 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/15/98
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> Man injured during vacuum sex?

Heard this on a talk show last night and a fellow called in who had worked 45
years for Hoover. He said it was all a bunch of nonsense. He said if you remve
a hose on a vacuum cleaner there was nor one made that a blade or fan that
would cut off personal parts if inserted in the cleaner.


Grandfather Bob(dege...@aol.com)
Modesty in the face of talent is hypocrisy.
Better honest arrogance than false modesty

Cyber Mule

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On 14 May 1998 14:05:24 -0400, bra...@panix.com (Bo Bradham) wrote:

>Cyber Mule <iluv...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Heard this on UPN 13 here in LA last night.....apparently a man had 2
>>inches removed from his penis during a sexual expereince with a
>>vaccum. I'll be damned if I can find a cite for it anywhere though.
>>SOunds UL-ish....but a legitimate tv station reported on the
>>injury....anyone else hear about it?
>

>There is a UPI article about it in clari.living.bizarre.


Found the UPI article on Yahoo

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/upi/story.html?s=n/upi/98/05/14/general_state_and_regional_news/njdismemb_1.html


>
>Bo "not sure I have anything to add to that one" Bradham


GrapeApe

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>He said if you remve
>a hose on a vacuum cleaner there was nor one made that a blade or fan that
>would cut off personal parts if inserted in the cleaner.

There are several apparently documented cases of this type of injury (Cecil
Adams has a column on it) and almost all of the injurys involve small handheld
'dustbuster' type vaccuums in which the fan mechanisms is only a members reach
away (the Hoover Dustette in particular is often mentioned)

Tae Hyong Kim

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In article <355c9136...@news.earthlink.net>, iluv...@bigfoot.com
(Cyber Mule) wrote:

Found quite a few cites from Medline, using search terms "vacuum",
"cleaner", and "penis". Not just injuries, but *fatalities*.

To be honest, though, all reported fatalities precipitated from underlying
cardiac problems.

"Nothing sucks like Electrolux."

- Tae

"Inter caecos regnat luscus."

----

Pathology 1994 Jul;26(3):276-280
Autoerotic deaths: four cases.

Cooke CT, Cadden GA, Margolius KA

State Health Laboratory Services, Queen Elizabeth II Medical Centre, Nedlands,
Western Australia.

We describe the circumstances and post mortem medical findings of 4 unusual
fatalities where death occurred during autoerotic practice. Three cases
occurred in young to middle-aged men--hanging, electrocution and inhalation of
a zucchini. The manner of death in each was accidental. The fourth case was an
elderly man who died of ischemic heart disease, apparently whilst masturbating
with a vacuum cleaner and a hair dryer.

PMID: 7991282, UI: 95083282

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Am J Forensic Med Pathol 1988 Sep;9(3):246-248
Vacuum cleaner use in autoerotic death.

Imami RH, Kemal M

Fawcett Memorial Hospitals, Port Charlotte, Florida.

A case of a fatal cardiac episode resulting from an unusual autoerotic practice
involving the use of a vacuum cleaner, is presented. Scene investigation and
autopsy findings are discussed.

PMID: 3177356, UI: 89023045

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Minerva Urol Nefrol 1992 Jan;44(1):43-45
[Penile injuries caused by masturbation with a vacuum cleaner. Description of a
case and review of the literature].
[Article in Italian]

Rossi M, Cascini F, Torcigliani S

Divisione di Chirurgia Generale, Ospedale S. Francesco, Barga, Lucca.

The paper reports a case of penis injury which occurred while masturbating
using a vacuum cleaner. This caused skin lesions and urethral lacerations which
were successfully cured from both and esthetic and functional point of view.
The Authors stress the extreme rarity of the case and comment on the
pathological anatomy of lesions and surgical objectives on the basis of a
review of the literature.

PMID: 1529397, UI: 92410394

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Br J Urol 1985 Aug;57(4):467-470
Male genital injuries from external trauma.

Cass AS, Gleich P, Smith C

External trauma from a variety of causes, some unusual and bizarre, affect the
male genitalia. Certain injuries are more common, have more severe
consequences, or their management may be controversial. Seventy male
genital
injuries from external trauma are reported and include vacuum cleaner injuries,
fracture of penis and the tourniquet syndrome.

PMID: 4027520, UI: 85281144

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Urology 1985 Jan;25(1):41-44
Vacuum cleaner injury to penis: a common urologic problem?

Benson RC Jr

Erotic stimulation by the use of vacuum cleaners or electric brooms appears to
be a common form of masturbation. Unfortunately, and contrary to apparent
public appreciation, injury due to this form of autostimulation may not be
unusual. Five cases of significant penile trauma resulting from this form of
masturbation are presented, with a spectrum of severe injuries, including loss
of the glans penis.

PMID: 3966281, UI: 85092073

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Eur Urol 1980;6(5):312-313
Curiosity in urology? Masturbation injuries.

Wenderoth U, Jonas U

48 masturbation injuries (12 cases of foreign bodies introduced into urethra
and urinary bladder and 36 cases of 'vacuum cleaner injuries' to the penis)
were seen. One case is reported. Reference is made to the necessity for
psychiatric follow-up treatment after urological therapy.

PMID: 7398705, UI: 80246112

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J Urol 1982 Oct;128(4):829
The hand vacuum cleaner: friend or foe?

Forrest JB, Gillenwater JY

PMID: 7143616, UI: 83059994

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JAMA 1973 Apr 30;224(5):630
Laceration of penis from hand vacuum cleaner.

Zufall R

PMID: 4739796, UI: 73164509

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Indiana Med 1988 Mar;81(3):252
The vacuum cleaner.

Grisell TL

PMID: 3351291, UI: 88170726

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Urology 1985 Sep;26(3):321
Vacuum cleaner injury to penis.

Lewi H, Drury JK, Monsour M

PMID: 4035857, UI: 85301620

----------
- Tae

"Inter caeco regnat luscus."


Terry Nielsen

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Degerberg wrote:

> Heard this on a talk show last night and a fellow called in who had worked 45
> years for Hoover. He said it was all a bunch of nonsense. He said if you remve

> a hose on a vacuum cleaner there was nor one made that a blade or fan that
> would cut off personal parts if inserted in the cleaner.

Having taken apart many a vacuum cleaner, I too am skeptical.

From a common sense view, I can't see a manufacturer making a vacuum
like that, since there would be too much danger of people inserting
fingers to clear a clog, or small children inserting hands etc.

From experience of looking at vacuum innards, I've never seen anything
resembling a blade that could sever ones' manhood, and anyway the works
are usually located at the opposite end of the canister from the hose
inlet.

Blades I've seen are just two flat disks about a 1/4 inch apart with
slats in between the disks (kind of like a water wheel). That and a
high speed motor are it. The disks themselves are smooth and don't pose
a cutting hazzard, and they are two closely spaced for something to get
in between to the slats.


--
-Terry Nielsen
Maple Ridge, B.C.
Canada

Walter Eric Johnson

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GrapeApe (grap...@aol.com) wrote:
: >He said if you remve

: >a hose on a vacuum cleaner there was nor one made that a blade or fan that
: >would cut off personal parts if inserted in the cleaner.
:
: There are several apparently documented cases of this type of injury (Cecil

: Adams has a column on it) and almost all of the injurys involve small handheld
: 'dustbuster' type vaccuums in which the fan mechanisms is only a members reach
: away (the Hoover Dustette in particular is often mentioned)

It would seem that if dustbuster type vacuums had been around for many
thousands of years and if this type of use was very common, evolution
would have taken care of the problem for us.

Eric Johnson

Maggie Newman

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Tae Hyong Kim <tk...@shore.net> wrote:
>
>Pathology 1994 Jul;26(3):276-280
>Autoerotic deaths: four cases.
>
>We describe the circumstances and post mortem medical findings of 4 unusual
>fatalities where death occurred during autoerotic practice. Three cases
>occurred in young to middle-aged men--hanging, electrocution and inhalation of
>a zucchini.

Inhalation of a zucchini? INHALATION of a ZUCCHINI?

Maggie "forget the vacuum cleaners; tell me more" Newman


nancy g.

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Maggie Newman wrote:


> Inhalation of a zucchini? INHALATION of a ZUCCHINI?
>
> Maggie "forget the vacuum cleaners; tell me more" Newman


I would imagine he was ... um ... shall we say, practicing?
A "dry run" as it were?


Nancy "thinking of the size of the ones my neighbor gives me every fall. Owwwch." G.

Phil Edwards

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smne...@gsbkma.uchicago.edu (Maggie Newman) wrote:

>Inhalation of a zucchini? INHALATION of a ZUCCHINI?

OK, OK. Inhalation of a *zucchino*.

Phil "this parsing's tough" Edwards
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And does He have a timetable directing acts of love?" - Jarvis Cocker


Joseph Michael Bay

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"nancy g." <nan...@tiac.net> writes:

>Nancy "thinking of the size of the ones my neighbor gives me every fall. Owwwch." G.

I have nothing to say here; I just wanted to quote that.

--
Joe Bay Leland Stanford Junior University
Forensic Botany Laboratory, Stanford Department of Biology
Putting the "harm" in "Molecular Pharmacology" since 1998
"In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane."

alice faber

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In <35681100...@news.zetnet.co.uk> amr...@zetnet.co.uk.NOJUNK (Phil Edwards) writes:

>smne...@gsbkma.uchicago.edu (Maggie Newman) wrote:

>>Inhalation of a zucchini? INHALATION of a ZUCCHINI?

>OK, OK. Inhalation of a *zucchino*.

Far be it from me to put word's in Maggie's mouth. But, given the context,
I believe that what she meant to say is:

INHALATION of a zucchini?

Alice "glut on the market" Faber

Steve Smith

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GrapeApe wrote:
>
> >He said if you remve
> >a hose on a vacuum cleaner there was nor one made that a blade or fan that
> >would cut off personal parts if inserted in the cleaner.

> There are several apparently documented cases of this type of injury (Cecil
> Adams has a column on it) and almost all of the injurys involve small handheld
> 'dustbuster' type vaccuums in which the fan mechanisms is only a members reach
> away (the Hoover Dustette in particular is often mentioned)

Despite fairly extensive documentation, I still think that this is a
UL. Reason? If it had actually happened, somebody would have sued the
vacuum manufacturers, and all of our vacuum cleaners would all have
little warning labels on them.

--
Steve Smith sgs...@acm.org
Agincourt Computing +1 (301) 681 7395
"If I can't dance, I'm not joining your revolution."

BobSkinn

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>>Heard this on a talk show last night and a fellow called in who had worked 45
years for Hoover. He said it was all a bunch of nonsense. He said if you remve

a hose on a vacuum cleaner there was nor one made that a blade or fan that
would cut off personal parts if inserted in the cleaner.>>

See the following:
From: British Medical Journal, 5 July 1980

"PENILE INJURIES FROM VACUUM CLEANERS"

We report four cases of penile injury sustained when using a
vacuum cleaner, probably in search of sexual excitement.

CASE REPORTS

Case 1: A 60-year-old man said he was changing the plug of
his Hoover Dustette vacuum cleaner while his wife was out
shopping. It "turned itself on" and caught his penis, causing
tears around the external meatus and deeply lacerating the
side of the glans. The external meatus was reconstructed and
the multiple lacerations of the glans repaired with catgut.
The final result was some scarring of the glans, but the
foreskin moved easily over it.

Case 2: A 65-year-old railway signalman was in his signal box
when he bent down to pick up his tools and "caught his penis
in a Hoover Dustette, which happened to be switched on". He
suffered extensive lacerations to the glans, which were
repaired with catgut with a good result.

Case 3: A 49-year-old man was vacuuming his friend's
staircase in a loose-fitting dressing gown, when, intending
to switch the machine off, he leaned across to reach the
plug: "at that moment his dressing gown became undone and his
penis was sucked into the vacuum cleaner". Because he had a
phimosis he suffered multiple lacerations to the foreskin as
well as lacerations to the distal part of the shaft of the
penis, including the external meatus. His wounds were
repaired with catgut and the phimosis reduced with a dorsal
slit.

Case 4: This patient was aged 68, and no history was
available except that the injury was caused by a vacuum
cleaner. The injury extended through the corpora cavernosa
and the corpus spongiosum and caused complete division of the
urethra proximal to the corona. A two-stage urethoplasty was
performed, and the final result was satisfactory.

COMMENT:
Except for the patient with phimosis, the injuries sustained
by these patients were mostly lacerations to the glans
penis,presumably because the foreskin was retracted at the
time. In case 4 the injury was more extensive and required a
two-stage urethroplasty. We were surprised that none of the
other patients suffered similarly severe injuries. A meatal
stricture has been reported after this type of injury.
At least two of these injuries were caused by a Hoover
Dustette, which has fan blades about 15cm from the inlet. The
present patients may well have thought that the penis would
be clear of the fan but were driven to new lengths by the
novelty of the experience and came to grief.

pbo...@my-dejanews.com

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kbdk...@aol.com (KBDKBeav) wrote:

> Conan O'Brien did a joke about this Wednesday night.

I don't suppose he mentioned if he reads AFU, the mailing list or the message
board at snopes' cite...

Paul ("We want Johnny back") Bowers


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H.W.M.

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This may be more oriented towards the "rectal-fun" -thread, but I have
heard, that Yves Rocher had a deodorant ( or hairspray) that had a
screw-on top. A new model was introduced, that had a pop-off top. After 6
months of the introduction of the pop-top the factory received a note
from the Gynecologists' association asking that the factory would revert
back to the screw-on tops as the gynecologists were fed up with removing
the pop-up tops...

HWM

H.W.M.

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Cyber Mule wrote:

> Heard this on UPN 13 here in LA last night.....apparently a man had 2
> inches removed from his penis during a sexual expereince with a
> vaccum. I'll be damned if I can find a cite for it anywhere though.
> SOunds UL-ish....but a legitimate tv station reported on the
> injury....anyone else hear about it?

I have heard an UL about a lonely farmer trying out the milking machine.
Apparently the pulsator was too powerful and the guys pecker got stuck in
the machine.

Some years ago there was an article in the paper about an Italian
clergyman that was found burned up in his room.
The investigators deducted he had made an electric massaging device and
plugged it in the mains and electricuted himself doing so. I have heard
it told as a Vatican scandal, but I remember the original posting saying
it was in Firenze.
HWM


Don Whittington

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In article <355F19B8...@suidpool.ys>, clin...@orbiting.uranus wrote:


> I have heard an UL about a lonely farmer trying out the milking machine.
> Apparently the pulsator was too powerful and the guys pecker got stuck in
> the machine.

> HWM

Not very likely, since the attachments are made for cow teats which are
quite a bit smaller than a man's penis. Even mine.

Don "the wife has learned not to laugh over the years" Whittington

Sally G. Waters

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One of the Forensic Science journals (can't remember
which, but it was published in an issue about 3 years
ago), had a wonderful story - complete with picture of
the offending object - about a woman who was rushed to
the emergency room complaining of vaginal bleeding.
The doctors removed a deer tongue, which had apparently
been purchased at a butcher shop (and which was quite
long).

In a related story, there was a news item a few years ago
about a man who was, um, playing with the drain hole
in a swimming pool and got stuck. Don't know if he was
actually Bobbitted by it, though.

Sally
--
"This is who we are." -- Millennium
"Maybe we ain't us!" -- Scotty, to Spanky

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Ben Walsh

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BobSkinn wrote:

> His wounds were
> repaired with catgut and the phimosis reduced with a dorsal
> slit.

"Phimosis" is not a word in my dictionary.

ben "it's not a very good dictionary" w.

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nancy g.

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Ben Walsh wrote:

> BobSkinn wrote:

>> His wounds were repaired with catgut and the phimosis
>> reduced with a dorsal slit.

> "Phimosis" is not a word in my dictionary.
>
> ben "it's not a very good dictionary" w.


It's not in my dictionary, either, which was very good in its day,
but is over twenty years old. So I checked with the on-line dictionary

http://www.m-w.com/netdict.htm

which didn't contain the word either. What I found interesting,
however, was the list of "similar words" it offered me:

banausic panmixes pumiceous
banishes panmixias pumices
bonuses penises punishes
famishes penuches vainnesses
fewnesses peonages vamooses
finesses phoenixes vanishes
finises phone sex venosus
finishes pinnaces vinaceous
panaceas pomaceous
panaches pomaces


I haven't a clue how they came up with these words.

Nancy "oh, this isn't alt.usage.english?" G.

Walter Eric Johnson

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Ben Walsh (be...@iona.nospam.please.wereirish.com) wrote:
: BobSkinn wrote:
:
: > His wounds were
: > repaired with catgut and the phimosis reduced with a dorsal
: > slit.
:
: "Phimosis" is not a word in my dictionary.

From Mosby's Medical Dictionary:

phimosis - tightness of the prepuce of the penis that prevents
the retraction of the forskin over the glans. The condition is
usually congenital but may be the result of an infection.
Circucision is the usual treatment. An analogous condition of
the clitoris occurs rarely. Compare paraphimosis. See also
phimosis vaginalis.

FWIW, they have pictures, too.

Eric Johnson

Andrew C Taubman

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Warning! "I have heard" postings with no attempt to verify, document or
cite, are a mental health hazard, and are known flame attractants.

----------
What are we gonna do now?
What are we gonna do now?
What are we gonna do now?

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Phil Edwards

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"nancy g." <nan...@tiac.net> wrote:

<phimosis>


>It's not in my dictionary, either, which was very good in its day,
>but is over twenty years old. So I checked with the on-line dictionary
>
> http://www.m-w.com/netdict.htm
>
>which didn't contain the word either. What I found interesting,
>however, was the list of "similar words" it offered me:
>
> banausic panmixes pumiceous
> banishes panmixias pumices
> bonuses penises punishes
> famishes penuches vainnesses
> fewnesses peonages vamooses
> finesses phoenixes vanishes
> finises phone sex venosus
> finishes pinnaces vinaceous
> panaceas pomaceous
> panaches pomaces
>
>
>I haven't a clue how they came up with these words.

v is like b is like p is like ph is like f
m is like n (debatable)
x is like s is like sh is like j
and all vowels are like one another

Phil "Soundex: another great Welsh invention" Edwards

"I'd like to make this water wine
But it's impossible" - Jarvis Cocker


Jim Manson

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Terry Nielsen <tnie...@rogers.wave.ca> wrote:

>Degerberg wrote:
>
>> Heard this on a talk show last night and a fellow called in who had worked 45
>> years for Hoover. He said it was all a bunch of nonsense. He said if you remve
>> a hose on a vacuum cleaner there was nor one made that a blade or fan that
>> would cut off personal parts if inserted in the cleaner.
>

>Having taken apart many a vacuum cleaner, I too am skeptical.

Almost all of the reports dealt with the small handheld vacuums.


H.W.M.

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Andrew C Taubman wrote:

> Warning! "I have heard" postings with no attempt to verify, document or
> cite, are a mental health hazard, and are known flame attractants.
>
>

Ok, once I get my scanner on line, only how many languages do you read besides
English?aahh, well then, just as I figured. I have *heard* the story, as
UL's often are. Go see the definition of a "legend" before you ask for
literary quotes...except for the ones that I have in a nice comic book "The
Big Book of Urban Legends" DC Comics / Paradox Press 1994 edited by Jan
Harold Brunvand, which has about 200 great examples by various artists.

The reason I posted "I have heard" was if someone has seen the story in
writing and which Gynecologist's Association it was. Supposedly was to have
been in France with Yves Rocher originally. No knowledge wether it is true or
not.

So?
HWM
- The Helsinki Youth Board cancelled the
subscription of "Donald Duck" comic to its premises
on the grounds it was morally objectionable-


Kim

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>: > His wounds were
>: > repaired with catgut and the phimosis reduced with a dorsal
>: > slit.
>: "Phimosis" is not a word in my dictionary.

When attempting to look up the meaning of a medical term, please try
a medical dictionary before complaining about it.

Kim

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>>This may be more oriented towards the "rectal-fun" -thread, but I have
>>heard, that Yves Rocher had a deodorant ( or hairspray) that had a
>>screw-on top. A new model was introduced, that had a pop-off top. After 6
>>months of the introduction of the pop-top the factory received a note
>>from the Gynecologists' association asking that the factory would revert
>>back to the screw-on tops as the gynecologists were fed up with removing
>>the pop-up tops...

There was a brand of deodorant several years ago with a vaguely appropriate
shape that several books on sexuality advised using as "practice models"
for women who might want to learn how to put a condom on a partner with a
reasonable amount of grace. It did have a screw on top, and I have no
trouble believing that it might have inspired other sorts of practice.

-- Kim

Ben Walsh

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Kim wrote:

> When attempting to look up the meaning of a medical term, please try
> a medical dictionary before complaining about it.

Don't try to get superior with me, you snivelling little prick. Like
many people, I don't have a medical dictionary, and it's not
unreasonable to ask for the meaning of a specialist word rather than
schlep down to the nearest specialist book shop. If you think otherwise
then piss off.

ben "it wasn't a complaint, anyway" w.

ObAUE: "specialist book shop" or "specialist bookshop"? Like "machine
gun fire".

Mike Holmans

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On Tue, 19 May 1998 13:25:49 +0100, Ben Walsh
<be...@iona.nospam.please.wereirish.com> wrote:

>Kim wrote:
>
>> When attempting to look up the meaning of a medical term, please try
>> a medical dictionary before complaining about it.
>

<snip retribution for above>

>ben "it wasn't a complaint, anyway" w.
>

I think you'll find phimosis *is* a complaint.

Mike "for the uncircumlocutory, anyway" Holmans

--
[Von Daniken's] works are the shavings shed by Occam's razor
pressed into a semblance of form with the weakest of adhesives.
- axel heyst

Jason Dawes

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Ben Walsh wrote:

> Kim wrote:
>
> > When attempting to look up the meaning of a medical term, please try
> > a medical dictionary before complaining about it.
>

> Don't try to get superior with me, you snivelling little prick. Like
> many people, I don't have a medical dictionary, and it's not
> unreasonable to ask for the meaning of a specialist word rather than
> schlep down to the nearest specialist book shop. If you think otherwise
> then piss off.
>

Hey wanker. How about you sit on your lazy ass, go to your nearest search
engine and type in "medical dictionary". You useless piece of cr*p.

--
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jason Dawes jas...@informix.doh.com


Don Whittington

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In article <6jshlb$foo$1...@camel15.mindspring.com>, "Susan Vaughn"
<windj...@mindspring.com> wrote:


> Jason, if you had conducted even an iota of research, you
> would have found that crap is not useless. It is utilized in
> fertilizers, compost, and organic pellets. Its nitrogenous
> composition helps flowers to grow and lawns to thrive. The
> Amish of Tewkesbury Gardens even create "Poopets,"
> hand-carved manure sculptures suitable for your desk,
> diningroom table, or nightstand. Recent objets d'art
> by these Amish artisans include the Turdle Planter, Stool Toad,
> Cow Pie Cow, Bowel Owl, Stool Pigeon, Cacadoodledoo
> Rooster, and Pussy Scat. (References: http://www.poopets.com/
> and http://www.poopets.com/upgrade.htm )

Bah! These people are pretenders. Real artists develop sphincter control
to sculpt "on the run" as it were. Why just this morning I did a very nice
Robert E. Lee on horseback, two marbles, and a tootsie roll.

Don "art for art's sake" Whittington

Ivan Turosky

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Susan Vaughn wrote:
>
> Jason Dawes excreted:

>
> >>Hey wanker. How about you sit on your lazy ass, go to your
> >>nearest search engine and type in "medical dictionary". You
> >>useless piece of cr*p.
>
> Jason, if you had conducted even an iota of research, you
> would have found that crap is not useless. It is utilized in
> fertilizers, compost, and organic pellets. Its nitrogenous
> composition helps flowers to grow and lawns to thrive. The
> Amish of Tewkesbury Gardens even create "Poopets,"
> hand-carved manure sculptures suitable for your desk,
^^^^^^^^^^^

I thought that they were cast from liquefied manure.
I bought some moose turd earrings at a store in Alaska once.
For those that don't know, moose turds are about an inch long and are
shaped like a foot ball. You can get a years supply of earrings from
a moose, every day.


<polite snip>

Ivan T.

>
> - Susan "Origin of the Feces" Vaughn

H.W.M.

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Susan Vaughn made it hit the fan:

> Please think twice before spreading manure at afu.


>
> - Susan "Origin of the Feces" Vaughn

And did anybody hear about Christie's Art Auction, where a small bottle
of "Artist's Shit" was sold
was it now for 3.6 million dollars. Apparently some Italian artist did
the poops in 1970's and labled them so.

HWM - Huts in parts of Africa are made out of cowdung-

There is a UL story that one "sculpture" was on exhibit in France, and
as the container had cracked it
had started to emit a foul odor. The janitor had thrown the "sculpture"
in the garbage and the insurance company had to pay a large amount for
the crap. The janitor subsequenly has not touched even any dogturds any
more in case they are valuable.

Martin Gilbert

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Jason Dawes <jas...@informix.com> wrote:

>Ben Walsh wrote:
>
>> Kim wrote:
>>
>> > When attempting to look up the meaning of a medical term, please try
>> > a medical dictionary before complaining about it.
>>
>> Don't try to get superior with me, you snivelling little prick. Like
>> many people, I don't have a medical dictionary, and it's not
>> unreasonable to ask for the meaning of a specialist word rather than
>> schlep down to the nearest specialist book shop. If you think otherwise
>> then piss off.
>

>Hey wanker. How about you sit on your lazy ass, go to your nearest search
>engine and type in "medical dictionary". You useless piece of cr*p.

Content: C+

The judges feel that the latest entry is a rather linear piece of
invective, where the impact of the eye-catching imperative "Hey wanker" is
dissolved by the bone-tired cliche "lazy ass". Most disappointing of all
is the _coup_de_grace_ suddenly simpering behind its veil and shying at
the fence with the awkward "cr*p" construction.

Style: C-

Whilst avoiding the more _outre_ "!!!!!!" style, not a splendid effort.
It is difficult, in light of the curious lack of inflection, to view the
prose as having ENERGY. However, the staccato syntax does reveal some
promise, albeit of limited nature.

Overall: C

A weak attempt at mimickry with a lamentable absence of the word
"cordwainer".


Martin Gilbert
--
http://phys.ucl.ac.uk/~mkg


Maggie Newman

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In article <17F5B6601S...@msu.edu>, Kim <2132...@msu.edu> wrote:
>
>reasonable amount of grace. It did have a screw on top, and I have no
>

Here is a phrase suitable for incorporating into a grammatical lesson on
the necessity of the hyphen. Appropriate as it may seem, I doubt the
bottle in question actually had a screw on top. I'm almost certain,
however, that it had a screw-on top.

Maggie "the intact hyphen being proof of impenetrability" Newman


keith

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On Sun, 17 May 1998 03:01:16 GMT, Steve Smith <sgs...@acm.org> wrote:

>GrapeApe wrote:
>>
>> >He said if you remve
>> >a hose on a vacuum cleaner there was nor one made that a blade or fan that
>> >would cut off personal parts if inserted in the cleaner.
>

>> There are several apparently documented cases of this type of injury (Cecil
>> Adams has a column on it) and almost all of the injurys involve small handheld
>> 'dustbuster' type vaccuums in which the fan mechanisms is only a members reach
>> away (the Hoover Dustette in particular is often mentioned)
>
>Despite fairly extensive documentation, I still think that this is a
>UL. Reason? If it had actually happened, somebody would have sued the
>vacuum manufacturers, and all of our vacuum cleaners would all have
>little warning labels on them.
>
>--
Steve

not true for the UK.... especially if there was the possibility of
some embarrassment for the complainant. i am certain that a Dustette
was involved.


keith
--

"you can take a horse to water, but a pencil has to
be lead" from The Foreman went to France 1941.

GoonyBird

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On Sun, 17 May 1998 03:01:16 GMT, Steve Smith <sgs...@acm.org> wrote:

>GrapeApe wrote:
>>
>> >He said if you remve
>> >a hose on a vacuum cleaner there was nor one made that a blade or fan that
>> >would cut off personal parts if inserted in the cleaner.
>
>> There are several apparently documented cases of this type of injury (Cecil
>> Adams has a column on it) and almost all of the injurys involve small handheld
>> 'dustbuster' type vaccuums in which the fan mechanisms is only a members reach
>> away (the Hoover Dustette in particular is often mentioned)
>
>Despite fairly extensive documentation, I still think that this is a
>UL. Reason? If it had actually happened, somebody would have sued the
>vacuum manufacturers, and all of our vacuum cleaners would all have
>little warning labels on them.


Would YOU want to admit in open court that you circumsised yourself
this way? But perhaps the plaintiff could get the court record sealed
which would explain why we never heard of such a court cayse...who
knows....

WHith all the news stories abouit it..would that qualify it for a Tb
in the faq?


George Russell

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Ben Walsh wrote:

ObAUE: "specialist book shop" or "specialist bookshop"? Like "machine
gun fire".

Or even worse: sub machine gun fire

Chris S

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Susan Vaughn wrote in message <6jshlb$foo$1...@camel15.mindspring.com>...


>
>Please think twice before spreading manure at afu.
>

I've thought twice, but had to post this excerpt from the prospectus of
Jesus College, Cambridge.
[quote]
The Carpenter Building in Chapel Court was built in 1885 as the College
increased its undergraduate numbers. When this range was completed,
criticisms were made concerning the choice of brick, which seemed too bright
to harmonise with the muted reds of the older buildings. This remained a
problem until Sir Arthur Quiller-Couch (Fellow 1912-44) suggested painting
the walls with a solution of manure to encourage moss. One wall was covered,
but little resulted except an excessive stench. It was only after a
sweltering Easter Term that the Master subordinated aesthetic considerations
to humanitarian, and ordered the walls to be scraped. They remain brazenly
orange.
[unquote]
Let this be a lesson to us all.

Chris "will daub sh*t on walls for a 2:1" Sorsby

95...@eng.cam.ac.uk

Ben Walsh

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Jason Dawes wrote:

> Hey wanker. How about you sit on your lazy ass, go to your nearest search
> engine and type in "medical dictionary". You useless piece of cr*p.

Because, you tiny-minded fuckwit, I don't need to know now, do I? And
it's not the fucking point in any event. There's nothing at all improper
about querying an unusual specialist word and it takes a gobshite of the
highest order to spout off attempts at self-righteous smugness about
looking it up when it would take far less effort just to post the
meaning and thus share it with everyone, straight away, without fucking
around and being a tedious prick.

ben "come for the folklore, stay for the sophisticated banter" w.

Jason Dawes

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Ben Walsh wrote:

> Because, you tiny-minded fuckwit, I don't need to know now, do I?

Consistancy: B-

> And it's not the fucking point in any event.

Smell: A-

> There's nothing at all improper about querying an unusual specialist word and
> it takes a gobshite of the highest order to spout off attempts at
> self-righteous smugness about looking it up when it would take far less
> effort just to post the meaning and thus share it with everyone, straight
> away, without fucking around and being a tedious prick.

Texture: A

> ben "come for the folklore, stay for the sophisticated banter" w.
>

Overall: A-

I guess Ms[1] Vaughn is right after all, you're not useless. As an aside,
taken as an example of AFU wit, your post is superb. The subtle irony of the
last paragraph is, in my opinion, tantamount to genius. Keep up the good work.

Jason "I have no dic at all" Dawes

Simon Slavin

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May 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/20/98
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In article <Et85M...@midway.uchicago.edu>,
smne...@gsbkma.uchicago.edu (Maggie Newman) wrote:

> In article <17F5B6601S...@msu.edu>, Kim <2132...@msu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >reasonable amount of grace. It did have a screw on top, and I have no
>
> Here is a phrase suitable for incorporating into a grammatical lesson on
> the necessity of the hyphen. Appropriate as it may seem, I doubt the
> bottle in question actually had a screw on top. I'm almost certain,
> however, that it had a screw-on top.

I believe that you may had confused the idea of the container having had
a screw on top with it having had a screw on-top. I'd write more about
this if I could only work out which way around these two are meant to go.

Simon.
--
Simon Slavin | [It] contains "vegetable stabilizer"
<http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk> | which sounds ominous. How unstable
Junktrap deletes unread >4 UBEs/day.| are vegetables?
Check email address for junk-guard. | -- Jeff Za...@pipeline.com

Lon Stowell

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Susan Vaughn <windj...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>The Amish of Tewkesbury Gardens even create "Poopets,"
>hand-carved manure sculptures suitable for your desk,
>diningroom table, or nightstand. Recent objets d'art
>by these Amish artisans include the Turdle Planter, Stool Toad,
>Cow Pie Cow, Bowel Owl, Stool Pigeon, Cacadoodledoo
>Rooster, and Pussy Scat. (References: http://www.poopets.com/
>and http://www.poopets.com/upgrade.htm )

Also featured just nightbeforelast on Talk Soup, some outfit
is selling these as small statuary you place in your garden
and water.


Lon Stowell

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In article <3561CD...@FORD.COM>, Ivan Turosky <Same> wrote:

>I bought some moose turd earrings at a store in Alaska once.

In my younger and crazier days, many times I intentionally
or accidentally truly ticked off my ladyloves. However, at
no time did I ever do anything so likely to inflame a sweet
little woman as:

"Here dearest, I bought you these new earrings..."


Lon Stowell

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Ben Walsh <be...@iona.nospam.please.wereirish.com> wrote:
>Because, you tiny-minded fuckwit, I don't need to know now, do I? And
>it's not the fucking point in any event. There's nothing at all improper

>about querying an unusual specialist word and it takes a gobshite of the
>highest order to spout off attempts at self-righteous smugness about
>looking it up when it would take far less effort just to post the
>meaning and thus share it with everyone, straight away, without fucking
>around and being a tedious prick.

I'm sorry Ben, but you failed to mention Viagra in your posting.
Care to try again?


Don Whittington

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May 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/21/98
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In article <6jvr0u$1...@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com>,
lsto...@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) wrote:


> Also featured just nightbeforelast on Talk Soup, some outfit
> is selling these as small statuary you place in your garden
> and water.

Y'know, Lon, if we can get Talk Soup accepted as a cite, we can vorify a
whole shitload of UL's.

Don "Where's Joe Pine when you need him?" Whittington

woo...@msx.upmc.edu

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In article <3562B5...@iona.nospam.please.wereirish.com>,
be...@iona.nospam.please.wereirish.com wrote:
(snip)

> There's nothing at all improper
> about querying an unusual specialist word and it takes a gobshite of the
> highest order to spout off attempts at self-righteous smugness about
> looking it up when it would take far less effort just to post the
> meaning and thus share it with everyone, straight away, without fucking
> around and being a tedious prick.

Just out of curiosity, what is a gobshite? I would guess it is derogatory but
beyond that I am not certain. I suppose I could look it up but...

Joel "I have no cute sig, or a dictionary handy for that matter" W.

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JoAnne Schmitz

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On 20 May 1998 17:10:15 -0700, lsto...@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Lon
Stowell) wrote:

>Ben Walsh <be...@iona.nospam.please.wereirish.com> wrote:
>>Because, you tiny-minded fuckwit, I don't need to know now, do I? And

>>it's not the fucking point in any event. There's nothing at all improper


>>about querying an unusual specialist word and it takes a gobshite of the
>>highest order to spout off attempts at self-righteous smugness about
>>looking it up when it would take far less effort just to post the
>>meaning and thus share it with everyone, straight away, without fucking
>>around and being a tedious prick.

^^^^^^^ ^^^^^
here it is


>
> I'm sorry Ben, but you failed to mention Viagra in your posting.
> Care to try again?

JoAnne "knows a tedious prick when she sees one" Schmitz

Martin Gilbert

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This is a two-part post in <grumpy wanker writing his thesis> format:

<-->1
Jason Dawes <jas...@informix.com> wrote:
>[snip pastiche of me responding to a frustrated Ben Walsh]
>[snip additional sneering bullshit attempt to be funny and make a
> 'look at me mummy I can have the last word' comment]

You misunderstood what I was saying in reply to your original "hey wanker"
post. I was trying to make a point gently, but you're obviously not too
good at Cluedo. So, in plain English your post had: fuck all wit, fuck
all originality and fuck all use. This latest had even less. Take your
microburst of trouser-thrusting infantile point-scoring someplace else.

<-->2
OBViolentThreadDriftBackToUrbanLegendsMaybe:
"The Wealth and Poverty of Nations" by David S. Landes includes an
interesting tale regarding the construction of the Moscow-St. Petersburg
railway during the Tsarist period. It tells that the railway engineers on
this project asked the Tsar to choose a route. He simply drew a straight
line from Moscow to St. Petersburg. This route was followed to the letter
- even the curve where his thumb poked over the side of the ruler.

I had a quick look at the route the railway takes and it _could_ be true
as the line does seem to run roughly straight. However, this sounds
awfully useful as a representational story of the problems of autocracy:
bureaucrats are so literal minded under this system of government that
they will follow every whim of the ruler, no matter what problems or
difficulties they could have avoided if they'd applied some free thought.
Just a little *too* useful for the purposes of the book...

So, I wondered how widespread this tale was; and, of course, whether it is
true?

Martin "</grumpy wanker>" Gilbert

--
http://phys.ucl.ac.uk/~mkg


Lon Stowell

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Don Whittington <donc...@flash.net> wrote:
>
>Y'know, Lon, if we can get Talk Soup accepted as a cite, we can vorify a
>whole shitload of UL's.

The Talk Soup segment showed the owner of the company being
interviewed by some tv folks. If the owner of the company
that produces the things, complete with closeups of the
turdy little art, is not a cite, perhaps the standards of
voracity are more at fault than the fact skunkboy was involved.

PS. You put them in your garden and water them. You do not put
them in your water. I only mention this to avoid the
inevitable lawsuits.

H Gilmer

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May 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/21/98
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Don Whittington (donc...@flash.net) wrote:
: In article <6jvr0u$1...@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com>,
: lsto...@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) wrote:

: > Also featured just nightbeforelast on Talk Soup, some outfit
: > is selling these as small statuary you place in your garden
: > and water.

: Y'know, Lon, if we can get Talk Soup accepted as a cite, we can vorify a


: whole shitload of UL's.

Okay, I'll back it up. They sell "poo pets" in stores that deal in
things organic and otherwise earthy-crunchy. They are meant as cute
garden fertilizer. I have not seen the manure statues that are
intended for purely decorative purposes.

Hg


Don Whittington

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May 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/21/98
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In article <6k25g2$270$1...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
gil...@mail.take.this.out.utexas.edu wrote:

I guess I worded this badly. I'm not disputing the cite for this,
actually, but referring to Talk Soup's proclivity for showing clips from
Jerry Springer, Sally Jesse Raphael, and cable access weirdos who prove
that gl*ss f***s. Talk Soup also has clips of interest from more
creditable shows.

As God is my witness, I truly believe in little poopy jewelry and statuary.

Don "and I would swear to that in a court of law" Whittington

GoonyBird

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On Fri, 22 May 1998 08:40:04 +0200, hyperreal-anon-remailer
<nob...@sind.hyperreal.art.pl> wrote:

>On Tue, 19 May 1998 14:39:16 GMT cybe...@earthlink.net (GoonyBird)
>wrote:
>
>>
>They did sue.
>Last week someone posted two case citations (I read one of the cases in
>school, so I know that one's accurate).
>Don't you read this group?
>
>


sorry....posted the follow up before Ihread the whole thread....sorry
dude

Dave Johnsen

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When my family went on vacation in 1978 to Deadwood, South Dakota, I got a
little thing called a "Turd Bird". It was a ball of manure about 2-1/2
inches in diameter coated with something (lacquer maybe?) with two
pipe-cleaner legs and a head attached. The whole thing was mounted on a
4-inch square of wood. It was one of those kitschy tourist things that I
just _had_ to have (aren't all 8 year-old boys fascinated by things like
that?).

Dave "wish I hadn't thrown it away when I moved out" Johnsen

H Gilmer <gil...@uts.cc.utexas.edu> wrote in article

GrapeApe

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May 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/22/98
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>Would YOU want to admit in open court that you circumsised yourself
>this way?

Well you could assume that all the original explanations were true, that the
paintiffs just happened to be vaccuuming naked. Its up to the jury to decide
whether their story sucks. Maybe they will get some McDonalds Boiled Cunt
Coffee jurors.

Andrew Reid

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Martin Gilbert wrote:

> OBViolentThreadDriftBackToUrbanLegendsMaybe:
> "The Wealth and Poverty of Nations" by David S. Landes includes an
> interesting tale regarding the construction of the Moscow-St. Petersburg
> railway during the Tsarist period. It tells that the railway engineers on
> this project asked the Tsar to choose a route. He simply drew a straight
> line from Moscow to St. Petersburg. This route was followed to the letter
> - even the curve where his thumb poked over the side of the ruler.
>

> [snippage -- the railway *is* awfully straight.]


>
> So, I wondered how widespread this tale was; and, of course, whether it is
> true?

I have heard a related tale, but of course I can't recall where.
I believe I may have a cool new detail to add, which is why I'm posting
rather than e-mailing. Well, that and the irresistible subject line.
The version I heard had the initial segment of the railroad, starting
from Moscow, being paid for by the mile, with the result that the
officials selected a carefully optimized and rather circuitous route.
Partway through the project, the Tsar became so annoyed with the delays
and expense that he ordered them to simply proceed directly from
wherever they were at the time to St. Petersburg, in a straight line.
I checked the map when I heard this, and the physical layout of the
railroad fails to refute this version, also.
The lesson of this version, I think, is that sometimes things
aren't as stupid as they look, particularly where human factors
are concerned. The straight-line route was expensive, but not as
expensive as giving corrupt bureaucrats a free hand. (Non-corrupt
bureaucrats didn't appear to be an option.)

Where did I read this? No idea. I read a lot of train stuff,
a fair amount of Russian stuff, and a smattering of management
stuff. Could have been any of those.

Andrew "Hope this helps..." Reid

rcasady

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> (snip)


> > There's nothing at all improper
> > about querying an unusual specialist word and it takes a gobshite of the
> > highest order to spout off attempts at self-righteous smugness about
> > looking it up when it would take far less effort just to post the
> > meaning and thus share it with everyone, straight away, without fucking
> > around and being a tedious prick.
>

> Just out of curiosity, what is a gobshite?

> Joel "I have no cute sig, or a dictionary handy for that matter" W.
>

> -Joel: The Brits and others often spell shit with an e. Gob(of)shit is my guess.

It was a new one on me.

Richard "Still struggling not to be a tedious prick" Casady

Steve Smith

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hyperreal-anon-remailer wrote:

> >>Despite fairly extensive documentation, I still think that this is a
> >>UL. Reason? If it had actually happened, somebody would have sued the
> >>vacuum manufacturers, and all of our vacuum cleaners would all have
> >>little warning labels on them.

> They did sue.


> Last week someone posted two case citations (I read one of the cases in
> school, so I know that one's accurate).
> Don't you read this group?

Don't you recognize sarcasm when you see it? I guess AFU posters need
to go back to using smileys.

I was just thinking of possible wordings for the proposed warning
sticker. Somehow, I don't think that "Do not insert penis into this
orifice" would fly ....


--
Steve Smith sgs...@acm.org
Agincourt Computing +1 (301) 681 7395
"If I can't dance, I'm not joining your revolution."

Edward Rice

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May 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/23/98
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In article <356469c0...@nntp-server.ucl.ac.uk>,
m.gi...@ucl.ac.goawayjunk.uk (Martin Gilbert) wrote:

> this project asked the Tsar to choose a route. He simply drew a
straight
> line from Moscow to St. Petersburg. This route was followed to the
letter
> - even the curve where his thumb poked over the side of the ruler.

It would depend on which ruler his thumb was poking over the side of. The
railroad follows a fairly straight line, but it's nowhere near
straight-edge straight, and there are three or four excursions. Perhaps
the "ruler" that the Tsar employed was his own set of knuckles.


mince...@switchboardmail.com

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In article <01bd8526$b5e1fda0$3596e5cf@pgpp200>,
Spotted "turd birds" at an Oklahoma fuel stop/tourist junk store in 1978.
Horse-related, I think, with cardboard "wings" and plastic eyeballs. Cute
little boogers -- and proof (for me) that Americans will buy ANYthing, as
long as it's properly packaged (and labeled "Souvenir of [wherever]").

No, dammit, I didn't buy one.

Larry P.
Opinionated -- but lovable
Iota Nu Beta

Rick Tyler

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On Sat, 23 May 1998 02:22:01 -0400, ehr...@his.com (Edward Rice)
wrote:

:In article <356469c0...@nntp-server.ucl.ac.uk>,

:
Given the average IQ of in-bred royalty (cite! cite!) and the Tsar's
probable drinking habits, they were fortunate that the railroad did
not pass through Ulan Bator.

-- Rick "Or did it?" Tyler

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David Skinner

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In article <3566282D...@webslnger.com>, rcasady
<rca...@webslnger.com> writes

>
>
>
>> Just out of curiosity, what is a gobshite?
>> Joel "I have no cute sig, or a dictionary handy for that matter" W.
>>
>> -Joel: The Brits and others often spell shit with an e. Gob(of)shit is my
>guess.
>
>It was a new one on me.
>

British regional slang (don't really know which particular region, but
both words are familiar to me here in Nottingham) - Gob=mouth,
Shite=shit. So I suppose it must mean someone who talks a load of shit?
or who eats it?

--
David Skinner

Degerberg

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May 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/24/98
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>gobshite?

gobshite=1. Navy, an enlisted seaman c. 1909
2. an expected wad of chewing tobacco, expectorated tobacco
juice, circa 1890


Grandfather Bob(dege...@aol.com)
Modesty in the face of talent is hypocrisy.
Better honest arrogance than false modesty

Fangz

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On Tue, 19 May 1998 13:25:49 +0100, Ben Walsh
<be...@iona.nospam.please.wereirish.com> wrote:

>Kim wrote:
>
>> When attempting to look up the meaning of a medical term, please try
>> a medical dictionary before complaining about it.
>
>Don't try to get superior with me, you snivelling little prick. Like
>many people, I don't have a medical dictionary, and it's not
>unreasonable to ask for the meaning of a specialist word rather than
>schlep down to the nearest specialist book shop. If you think otherwise
>then piss off.
>

Do ya have a computer, Ben? I only ask because there are several free
medical dictionaries available online. It's common sense, IMO, to
assume that the word is a medical term if it's being posted in a
British Medical Journal excerpt so I'd head over to yahoo and pull up
the nearest medical reference database online.
By the way, Phimosis is a very common medical condition afflicting
many uncircumsized males. It's easily corrected but I imagine the term
is less known in a country where the majority of men are circumsized.


>ben "it wasn't a complaint, anyway" w.
>
>ObAUE: "specialist book shop" or "specialist bookshop"? Like "machine
>gun fire".


Fangz

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May 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/25/98
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On Wed, 20 May 1998 11:49:14 +0100, Ben Walsh
<be...@iona.nospam.please.wereirish.com> wrote:

>Jason Dawes wrote:
>
>> Hey wanker. How about you sit on your lazy ass, go to your nearest search
>> engine and type in "medical dictionary". You useless piece of cr*p.
>

>Because, you tiny-minded fuckwit, I don't need to know now, do I? And

>it's not the fucking point in any event. There's nothing at all improper


>about querying an unusual specialist word and it takes a gobshite of the
>highest order to spout off attempts at self-righteous smugness about
>looking it up when it would take far less effort just to post the
>meaning and thus share it with everyone, straight away, without fucking
>around and being a tedious prick.
>

So you're complaining because someone else didn't so all the research
for you? And you don't see where one might think you lazy because of
this? Geez, Ben, do you also ask someone to hold it for you while you
pee or are you able to do some things on your own?

Alexis Zingale

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On Sat, 23 May 1998, Steve Smith wrote:

> Don't you recognize sarcasm when you see it? I guess AFU posters need
> to go back to using smileys.
>
> I was just thinking of possible wordings for the proposed warning
> sticker. Somehow, I don't think that "Do not insert penis into this
> orifice" would fly ....
>

Surgeon General's Warning:
Insertion of penis or turkey baster into this orifice can result in
pregnancy, emotional attachment, and lawsuits.


> --
> Steve Smith sgs...@acm.org
> Agincourt Computing +1 (301) 681 7395
> "If I can't dance, I'm not joining your revolution."
>
>

azin...@copper.ucs.indiana.edu


Ben Walsh

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May 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/25/98
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Fangz wrote:

> So you're complaining because someone else didn't so all the research
> for you? And you don't see where one might think you lazy because of
> this? Geez, Ben, do you also ask someone to hold it for you while you
> pee or are you able to do some things on your own?

Oh, for fuck's sake. It wasn't all the research, it was just a tricky
word I didn't know the meaning of and it is really much, much easier to
include a simple definition in a post than to expect everyone to find a
reliable medical dictionary and look it up and then lose interest, like
I just have.

ben "snipped" w.

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Tony Sweeney

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May 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/26/98
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rcasady wrote (actually, just quoted):

> >
> > Just out of curiosity, what is a gobshite?
> > Joel "I have no cute sig, or a dictionary handy for that matter" W.
> >
> > -Joel: The Brits and others often spell shit with an e. Gob(of)shit is my guess.

Further, "gob" is Brit slang for "mouth" and is derived from the Irish Gaelic word
for "mouth".

So, a "gobshite" is (roughly) in American, a worthless bullshitter.

Tony.


Ben Walsh

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May 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/27/98
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Tony Sweeney wrote:

> Further, "gob" is Brit slang for "mouth" and is derived from the Irish Gaelic word
> for "mouth".
>
> So, a "gobshite" is (roughly) in American, a worthless bullshitter.

Not really; it's just a generic term of abuse.

ben "shite & onions" w.

rea at mn dot uswest dot com Ed Anderson

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May 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/27/98
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In article <6k6mac$6d4$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

mince...@switchboardmail.com wrote:
>Spotted "turd birds" at an Oklahoma fuel stop/tourist junk store in 1978.
>Horse-related, I think, with cardboard "wings" and plastic eyeballs. Cute
>little boogers -- and proof (for me) that Americans will buy ANYthing, as
>long as it's properly packaged (and labeled "Souvenir of [wherever]").

Was it P. T. Barnum who said something like "No one ever went broke
underestimating the intelligence of the American consumer."?

--Eddie

.. or was it Bill Gates?

Jon M

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Actually it was H.L. Mencken. But I'll bet Jerry Springer is aware of
the quote.

Jon "proud member of the American public" McAuliffe


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Simon Slavin wrote:

> In article <Et85M...@midway.uchicago.edu>,
> smne...@gsbkma.uchicago.edu (Maggie Newman) wrote:
>
> > In article <17F5B6601S...@msu.edu>, Kim <2132...@msu.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > >reasonable amount of grace. It did have a screw on top, and I have no
> >
> > Here is a phrase suitable for incorporating into a grammatical lesson on
> > the necessity of the hyphen. Appropriate as it may seem, I doubt the
> > bottle in question actually had a screw on top. I'm almost certain,
> > however, that it had a screw-on top.
>
> I believe that you may had confused the idea of the container having had
> a screw on top with it having had a screw on-top. I'd write more about
> this if I could only work out which way around these two are meant to go.

I suppose thinking is harder work than just clicking on SEND.


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