Net.Legends List (long)
William VanHorne
into my net.activities on a regular basis, and a full 4 months after I
started this, The Unofficial Net.Legends List Is Here!
This is mostly an historical compilation. For real-time data on many
posters who are currently haunting Usenet, see alt.usenet.kooks.
And, anyway, not everyone listed here is a kook.
---Bill "not a legend, not a kook, not insane" VanHorne
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The Unofficial Net.Legends List
INTRODUCTION
Every social grouping of people eventually forms their own "inside
knowledge" based on shared past experiences, and this becomes a sort of
communal folklore. Part of the collective culture of Usenet is the shared
knowledge of and experience with the posters hereafter referred to as the
Net.Legends.
As a user of Usenet newsgroups, you will probably at some time come
across a thread in which someone like Kibo, Serdar Argic or Robert McElwaine
are discussed in off-hand asides; leaving it obvious that many other people
are so familiar with these entities that just the mention of their names (or
a strange phrase like "space potatoes") is enough for a point to be made.
You may or may not understand the reference even if you are an old hat on
Usenet. In order to help you (and me!) understand the history and folklore
of Usenet, I have compiled this list of Net.Celebrities.
This list is an attempt to collect the shared knowledge of the famous
posters past and present in one place. I have tried to collect knowledge
of the truely legendary posters only, and I will not try to catalog every
person that beleives that JFK was killed by a tiger, or who believes that
the CIA is using thought-control microwaves on them. Rather, I have
limited this list to those Net.Legends that one is apt to find referred to
by other people, and help you answer the question: "Who is this Kibo, and
why does everyone but me know who he is?".
The following catalog is open for revision, so if you have knowledge
to share, share it! Bill VanHorne (wvh...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) is
the fool ...er... person who has volunteered to maintain this list, so
email him or post to alt.folklore.urban or alt.folklore.computers where
your Listmaster will see it (leave your emoticons at the door, please).
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Dr. Alexander Abian Autumn 1992 - present sci.physics/sci.math
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Dr. Alexander Abian, a semi-retired mathematician at Iowa State
University, began posting to sci.physics in late 1992 proclaiming that
TIME HAS INERTIA, that he is a genius of the caliber of Einstein and Newton
for realizing it, and that he is deserving of the Nobel Prize for physics
for his unique insight. Abian has become famous net-wide for the sheer
volume of his postings, his fondness for self-glorification, and the
corresponding amount of noise generated by respondants to him. He is also
the advocate of a project to move the planet Venus out of its current orbit
and into Earth's orbit in order to .... well your Listmaster is not sure
why, but I'm sure it's important.
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"Serdar Argic" ???? - now everywhere - but mostly soc.culture.turkish
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(a.k.a Ahmet Cosar / a.k.a. Hasan Mutlu / the dreaded ZUMABOT)
Ah yes, the ZUMABOT. So famous a net.legend that he rates his own
FAQ and has generated his own newsgroup: alt.fan.serdar-argic, an
accomplishment shared with only a select few. The name "Serdar Argic" is
probably an alias for Ahmet Cosar, a rabid Turkish nationalist who is
affiliated in some way with the University Minnnesota. "Serdar" posts
incredibly long messages claiming to prove that Armenians killed
(genocided) 2.5 million Turks in the years 1914 - 1920, and sends those
posts to almost every newsgroup in existance sooner or later. Many people
feel that "Serdar" is actually an automatic posting program (a robot-poster
or BOT which posts from se...@zuma.UUCP - hence the name ZUMABOT) that
text-searches (greps) all newsgroups for the words "Armenian" or "Turkey"
and unleashes a stream of messages. The messages themselves are the same
ones repeated over and over with minor changes made in order to insult or
accuse people that have gained his/its attention.
The ZUMABOT is noted for 50-word message headers; joining unrelated
threads with segways like: "Yes, but have you considered the genocide of
2.5 million Muslims...."; spewing forth 100+ lines of quotes taken from
various "scholarly" sources; taking other posters' names and ending them
with "-ian" to insult them (e.g: Ken Arromdee becomes "Arromdian the
genocide apologist"); and telling other people that "The crimes of your
criminal Armenian grandparents will not be forgotten" whether the other
person is of Armenian heritage or not.
This Net.Legends list is not adequate to truely explore the
ZUMABOT and all its features, but interested parties can subscribe to
alt.fan.serdar-argic, or obtain the Serdar Argic FAQ from nysernet.org to
delve more deeply into Argic lore.
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B1FF mid to late 1980s ????
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B1FF (or Biff) was a satiric/comedic poster who haunted the net many,
many years ago. His/her/its posting style was to use all caps, substitute
numbers for letters, and to use a sort of pseudo-surfer slang. A typical
B1FF sentance would read something like: HEY D00DZ!!!!!! TH15 1S K00L!!!
(translation: Hey dudes, this is cool). Although very few current Usenet
posters remember actually seeing a original B1FF, his/her/its fame remains
incredibly high, with many people still posting satiric B1FF-like messages
to this day. Your listmaster has no idea why.
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L. Detweiler late 1993 - present most newsgroups
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Leonard Detweiler is a long-time participant in the "cypherpunks"
groups and mailing lists who spread a PSEUDO SPOOFING ALERT netwide in
the fall of 1993. Mr. Detweiler's alert was to warn other net users of
the existance of people who post under assumed names (pseudo-spoofing),
run an underground information net (Blacknet), and whom Mr. Detweiler
thinks are planning many illegal activities. He seems to think that one
or two of his "cypherpunk" acquaintances are behind all sorts of post-
ings under all sorts of identities (he refers to these as "tentacles of
the Medusa") and are in particular trying to "spoof" him. Although the
original PSEUDO SPOOFING ALERT is his most famous contribution, he
continues to post net-wide alerts irregularly.
Interestingly, Mr. Detweiler often posts under assumed names and
from an annonymous account.
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Victor Fabrikant 1992(?) sci.research(?)
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Easily the saddest story in all of Usenet history so far is the tale
of Victor Fabrikant. Fabrikant was an electrical engineering professor
at Concordia University in Montreal who posted long ranting texts to the
net complaining of how his department heads and fellow professors were
sabotaging his career. He was apparently actually in danger of losing
his position at Concordia for various forms of incompetance.
After several months of enduring his ranting on sci.research(?), the
people of Usenet were shocked to find Fabrikant in the news for having
killed several of the people at Concordia that he had been raving about,
including several fellow professors and the department secretary. His
trial also became a news item, as he went through several attorneys,
finally defending himself, and calling the presiding judge "a Muppet".
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Ted Frank (?) - present all over the place
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Ted is rapidly becoming one of Usenet's most recognized names due
mostly to his propensity for baiting the pompous and foolish. This behav-
ior, called "trolling" on alt.folklore.urban, consists of Ted posting
sarcastic messages to people like Serdar Argic (see above) who respond with
vitriolic personal attacks. In fact, Serdar has made "Ted Frank the Idiot"
one of his standard message headings.
Ted's name also heads up many threads in misc.legal and alt.conspiracy,
where he seems to generate an incredible amount of hate-postings from
various lunatic fringe types such as the various New World Order loons on
alt.conspiracy who post "Ted Frank Watch"s that never seem to end.
Ted is, in fact, a law student at the University of Chicago, and an
acknowleged expert at "trolling", producing the newsgroup alt.ted.frank.
troll.troll.troll, and gracing alt.usenet.kooks with many crosspostings
of kooky messages from .... well, kooks. Whether or not he is actually a
paid employee of the CIA or NWO is unknown to your Listmaster.
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GRiley" February 1992(?) - January 1994 mostly sci.skeptic
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(a.k.a. "Riley G. Matthews")
Billing himself as an "international psychic detective" GRiley
appeared in sci.skeptic claiming to be an ex-NYC policeman and retired
"Federal Policeman" who is now making his living using his psychic
powers to aid law enforcement agencies. Beginning his Usenet career by
posting long diatribes against "The Amazing Randi" and vehemently
supporting Uri Geller, with whom he claims to be close friends and in
constant contact, he generated a great deal of noise by making many
extravagent claims as to his involvement in criminal cases, his supposed
six-figure income and his international fame. When challenged to psychic-
ally produce information on one sci.skeptic poster, he failed miserably.
He later actually made a testable prediction by claiming that he would
appear on the "front page of the New York and L.A. Times" for his role in
uncovering a major election scandal in N.Y.C. The promised appearance
never happened.
Note that GRiley may not make further editions of this list because
as of January, 1994, he promised the people of sci.skeptic that he was
leaving Usenet, never to post again. So far, he has kept his promise,
and as a consequence, his net.fame is diminishing rapidly.
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Dan Gannon ???? - present alt.conspiracy/alt.revisionism
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Unlike many of the net.famous cataloged here, Dan Gannon actually
upsets people who come across him for the first time. Dan Gannon devotes
his life to posting a huge number of pseudo-scholarly missives purporting
to show that the genocide of 6,000,000 European Jews in World War II not
only never happened, but is a trumped-up lie generated by Jews (who control
all the world's media) in order to gain sympathy for themselves and mask
their true purpose: global domination. Mostly spouting the party line of
the Institute for Historical Review (IHR) and drawing on the "Spotlight"
newspaper, (both of which are mouthpieces for the USA's main neo-Nazi
Willis Carto), Dan dumps mulitple 300+ line posts onto a predictably huge
collection of newsgroups, and in the best tradition of Usenet abusers,
either ignores critics or simply responds to them with more 300+ line
posts. He causes a great deal of consternation when he first appears in a
new group, and like some of the other legendary posters, obviously does
not care if 99% of the reaction to his ideas is outrage; as he is hoping
that 1% will believe him.
Interestingly, Dan is also the author of a theory in which our uni-
verse consists of 25 dimensions. It used to be 23, but he discovered two
more.
Update: As of March 1994, Mr. Gannon has informed regular readers
that due to the many complaints sent to his posting site (netcom.com)
about his behavior, Netcom is limiting his posting access to groups that
actually have something to do with WWII, history, the Holocaust, Germany
or Judaism.
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Ted Holden mid 1980's - present talk.origins
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Ted Holden was an extremely prolific poster to net.physics, net.astro
and net.origins (the groups that became sci.physics, sci.astro, and talk.
origins), whose net.career began in the Eldar Days. Long ago, before the
Great Renaming, Ted was convinced to limit himself to the "origins" group
where he remains to this day.
Ted is mostly a proponent of Immanuel Velikovsky's pseudo-biblical
theories of astronomy/cosmology/evolution/history ("Worlds In Collision")
and became famous due to his style of arguing vociferously with other
talk.origins folk until the logic of his position became untenable. At
this point he would disappear for several days before reappearing in other
threads putting forth the very same arguments as before. It was this
trademark style of advocating a position, ignoring any refutations of it,
and then blithely advocating it again that gained Ted his fame.
Ted is nowhere near as prolific as he used to be ever since the
organization that provided him with free net access discovered that he was
using their site without their knowledge.
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Robert E. McElwaine autumn 1991 - April 1993 most newsgroups
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Along with Serdar Argic, Robert E. McElwaine became one of the most
famous Net.Legends during his tenure on Usenet, generating enough fame and
interest to rate a FAQ and his own newsgroup, alt.fan.robert.mcelwaine.
Originally appearing on the science groups such as sci.physics and
sci.astro, and eventually posting to almost every newsgroup in existance,
McElwaine would post long messages about a number of subjects on a regular
monthly or semi-monthly schedule. These posts were almost always the same,
with no changes made from the previous editions, and he *never* cross-
posted, making it impossible for most newsreader programs to realize that
the message had already been read. Among McElwaine's theories were:
o Plants are psychic and transmutating elements (from "The Secret Life
Of Plants")
o AIDS, cancer, and various other ailments can be prevented and cured
by regular baths in a concoction of herbal things.
o Unlimited energy is available from an invention that utilizes spinning
wheels to unlock KINEMASSIC energy.
o Russians are controlling the USA's weather.
o The good Christians in Moscow have regularly defeated the BOLSHEVIKS in
Washington D.C. (and their Israeli-piloted submarine planes) by using
JUMBO COSMOSPHERES equipped with PSYCHO-KINETIC RANGE FINDING.
[The last two items were parrotted from the works of the late Dr. Peter
Beter (no, I Am Not Making This Up) who published a series of "audio
letters" from 1977 - 1983, and whom McElwaine obviously felt was onto
all sorts of hidden secrets behind the world's political events.] Robert's
messages were famous for RANDOM capitalization, and were ended by the
sentence:
"UN-ALTERED reproduction and DISSEMINATION of
this IMPORTANT information is ENCOURAGED".
He finally wore-out his welcome at Wisconsin-Eau Claire (UWEC) in April of
1993 and lost his newsfeed. Robert has either found other means of
proseletyzing or is unaware of alternate methods of net access, since he
has not been heard from since.
For those of you interested in researching JUMBO COSMOSPHERES and other
interesting neglected historical information, a complete collection of Dr.
Beter's audio letters is available from etext.archive.umich.edu in the
pub/Politics/Conspiracy/Beter.Audio.Letters directory.
If you would like to see some original McElwaine posts, use anonymous
FTP to access ftp.std.com and look in the pub/alt.religion.kibology/
net-wackiness/mcelwaine directory.
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James "Kibo" Parry (???) - Present Everywhere
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James Parry took the rather simple idea of text-searching all news-
groups for references to himself, and turned it into a net.wide industry.
Your Listmaster is suspicious that the designation "Kibo" (official pro-
nunciation: "Keyebo" alternate pronunciatons: "Kibbo", "Keebo") was added
to his name in order to make the grepping easier.
Kibo's modus operendi is to read postings in which the name Kibo
appears and then decide if the poster is worthy of a response. This
behavior of sudden appearance in response to his name apparently seemed
rather god-like to some net.denizens who responded by inventing the
religion of "kibology". This makes Kibo the only Usenetter to ever have
spawned a major religion.
If you would like to understand the phenomonon of "Kibo numbers"
or just kibology in general, alt.religion.kibology exists for you. If
you would like to summon Lord Kibo from cyberspace, simply mention his
name and if He deems your posting worthy of comment, He will reply with an
oracular statement that may be decyphered by the initiated.
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Ludwig Plutonium spring 1993 - present sci.physics/sci.math
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Ludwig Plutonium is a person who made millions in the stock market,
bought his own island to live on, and after deciding that he wanted a Use-
net newsfeed, took a job as a dishwasher at Dartmouth Univ. in order to
gain free net access. A powerful logician and mathematician, he proved
Fermat's Last Theorem in only two months and Poincare's Conjecture in only
one month. Ludwig is also a remarkable physicist and has already named all
the elements that have yet to be discovered. The last element (# 190) is
named "Plutoniumium" after him.
Ludwig is the main proponent of the theory that the entire universe is
actually a plutonium atom ("Plutonium Atom Totality") at least until it is
recreated as an Americium atom in the future ("Americium Atom Totality").
In prior lives he was both Archimedes and Phar Lap the Australian race
horse.
Along with the above accomplishments Ludwig is the author of a text-
book entitled "Plutonium Atom Totality: The Unification Of Physics, Chemis-
try, Biology And Mathematics" and an accomplished poet. A small selection
of Ludwig's poetry is reproduced below:
[ How lost was my condition, till the ATOM made me whole ]
[ There is but one Physician ]
[ Can cure a radioactive-decayed soul. ]
[ There is an Afterlife, where my waves are rebundled whole. ]
[ There is infinite power in The Protons of the Nucleus ]
[ To cure my radioactive-decayed soul. ]
[ Protons of the ATOM, radioactive-growth my soul whole ]
[ The ATOM is the only physics ]
[ ATOM,ATOM ]
A large collection of Ludwig Plutonium works is available by FTP from
ftp.std.com in the pub/alt.religion.kibology/net-wackiness directory.
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Hannu Poropudas winter 1992 - present many groups but mostly sci.physics
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Hannu appeared in sci.physics in early 1992 espousing a collection of
physical theories of the origin and composition of the universe, and
quoting a certain "Hanna-Maria" as the source of his inspirations. Part of
his cosmology contains the now famous "space-potato" which is supposed to
be at the center of the universe (I think). After several months of post-
ings a respondant asked him who Dr. Hanna-Maria was, and where they could
find her published works. At this point Hannu revealed that Hanna-Maria
was his six-year-old daughter whom he believed was in direct communication
with God.
Hannu's scientific methodology consists of asking his daughter to draw
pictures of the universe and neutrinos and the like, and then interpreting
the typical 6-year-old's pictures as direct revelations from God.
He lost his news feed at one point in 1993 due to his habit of
changing his posting name in order to make it impossible for people to
kill-file him. He now posts from a "freenet" in Finland.
For those interested in more information as to the difference between
red and green neutrinos and where to find "space-potatoes", Hannu has
graciously made available a collection of his work at ftp.funet.fi. Look
for Hannu in the pub/doc/misc/HannuPoropudas directory.
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Mark Ethan Smith late 1980s ?????
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One of the strangest netters ever to grace Usenet was the woman Mark
Ethan Smith. Her original name is not known to your Listmaster, but she
apparently legally changed it to Mark Ethan since she felt that female
names were demeaning. Coming from a Jewish background, Mark would post
long diatribes about Jewish prejudice against women, long diaribes about
prejudice against women in general, and would engage in vitriolic flaming
of anyone who referred to her as a "she" or mentioned that she was female
in any way. This included the people who defended her on the net.
Perhaps an example of a Mark Ethan Smith post is in order here (special
thanks to Jeff Adler for this).
[ P.S. Don't tell me want my name should be. My name is Mark. Is ]
[ your middle name Israel? If Hitler can't choose your name for you, ]
[ you can't choose mine for me. And don't tell me what women must wear. ]
[ Do you wear a yellow star? If Hitler can't tell Jews what they must ]
[ wear, you can't tell me what women must wear. And don't tell me what ]
[ roles are appropriate to me as a woman. If Hitler can't tell you what ]
[ roles in life are appropriate for Jews, you can't tell me what roles ]
[ are appropriate for women. Sometimes I suspect that everything Hitler ]
[ knew about fascism, he learned from Jews. After all, if Jewish men ]
[ can treat their women as 2nd class citizens, why can't other men treat ]
[ Jews as 2nd class citizens? ]
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Gary Stollman late 1991(?) - early 1992(?) mostly alt.alien.visitors
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Gary Stollman's name is still mentioned on the net, even though his
tenure here was a brief one. Gary posted long autobiographical works in
which he described how aliens were replacing his family with look-alikes,
following him around the country and watching his every move, tapping
his phone, and even replacing the local auto mechanic, his landlord,
and his therapist with alien clones in order to watch him.
Gary's last post described how he was about to leave Florida to go
to California in order to throw the aliens off his track. He never
posted again. Make of that what you will.
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Dr. Jack Sarfatti ???? - present sci.physics/alt.sci.physics.new-theories
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Dr. Sarfatti is joining our list due to his habit of posting to
newsgroups such as sci.skeptic and alt.alien.visitors where people have
trouble knowing whether he is serious or being satirical. In your
Listmaster's opinion, Jack is both. He is a widely known physicist, due
mostly to his "validation" of Uri Geller, his inclusion in the
popularization of physics "The Dancing Wu-Li Masters" and other works,
and his voluminous postings to the net.
Jack is well known for trumpeting how famous he is and how many
famous people he has known and worked with, but it is often difficult to
tell whether he is serious about this or just having fun (especially when
he claims a Sarfatti family link with Mussolini). Dr. Sarfatti's physical
theories consist of extending the ideas of quantum connectedness origin-
ated by J.A. Wheeler to an extreme; namely that beings in the future are
actually creating the past that we live in. He does seem to be serious
about this.
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Jack Schmidling ???? - present various groups at various times
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Jack Schmidling usually restricts his postings to one newsgroup, but
which newsgroup he posts to changes over time as Jack's interests evolve.
To the best of your Listmaster's knowledge, Jack Schmidling is the only
famous Usenetter (other than Fabrikant - famous for other reasons) to be
internationally famous for his activities in the world at large. His
international fame comes from his ARF (Amateur Radio Forum) which he used
to advertize in a 50-line .sig file at the end of all his messages. ARF
staked-out the frequency 14.313 MHz for their informal right-wing profan-
ity fest until the FCC cracked down in early 1993. Your Listmaster has
been unable to ascertain if Jack was one of those fined by the FCC for up
to $10,000 US for their activities on 14.313. Jack has also made the news
over a fight with his neighbors in Chicago over mowing his lawn. His
neighbors wanted him to mow it, he refused.
At one time Jack could be counted on to drop in on any discussion
regarding gun control, politics, feminism, etc. where his contribution
would usually consist of flaming anyone who disagreed with his particular
viewpoint, and clogging the net with his 50-line ARF .sig. Jack is now
holding forth on rec.arts.brewing, as he seems much more interested in
the home brewing of beer these days.
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A.J. Teel autumn 1992 - present alt.conspiracy/misc.legal
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A.J. Teel joins our list of the Net.Famous because, sooner or later,
you will run into someone making a sarcastic or serious comment about
"specific reservation of all rights (U.C.C.-107) or "Sui Juris". This is
a reference to the postings of A.J. Teel.
Mr. Teel is of the opinion that all U.S. citizens are covered exclus-
ively under "admiralty law", and therefore only subject to the Uniform
Commercial Code (U.C.C.), and therefore only obligated to pay income tax
if they accept that jurisdiction by having a birth certificate or drivers'
license on file with the government. A.J. has posted the letter he sent to
the state of Indiana repudiating his own birth certificate.
For a full understanding for why you do not need to pay income taxes,
use anonymous FTP to access etext.archive.umich.edu to find A.J.'s
postings in the pub/Politics/Conspiracy/AJTeel/USC directory.
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John_-_Winston autumn 1991 - present alt.alien.visitors/sci.skeptic
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John Winston is a New Age/astral travel/UFO enthusiast who posts
to a wide variety of newsgroups. John has learned how to use his editor
over the years, greatly improving the quality of his messages. He
often quotes from "The Weekly World News" (a US-based tabloid paper
sold mostly in supermarkets), seems to have discovered an underground
network of alien tunnels under Mt. Shasta in California, knows all sorts
of alien visitors and brujos, and at one time tried to organize a group
astral-travel through the net. He makes our Legends list not only due to
the frequent mentioning of his name net.wide, but also due to the fact that
many people will satirically use the "_-_" spacer in their names when
talking about UFOs because John has always signed himself "John_-_Winston",
and seems to have the reputation of being the ultimate UFO man of Usenet.
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This list is not complete, especially in regards to dates, and your List-
master is in need of much information as to the history and content of
the famous netters listed here. Please, if you spot legendary Usenet
posters, and especially if you have personal knowledge or archives of the
legends of the past, share it!
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BUCKLEY CHARLES R
Where's Danny Drucker?
Daniel Drucker
>
>Where's Danny Drucker?
Here.
- Daniel Drucker
xy...@panix.com
Amy Brown
|> buc...@cs.colorado.edu (BUCKLEY CHARLES R) wrote:
|> >
|> >Where's Danny Drucker?
|> Here.
Oh my god! He's Kibozing!
Seriously, was he really _that_ annoying for _that_ long that he gets
to be in the Net.Legends list? I honestly don't know, I wasn't here
when he was being, well, legendary. Where I know him he seems quite
well mannered, quite helpful even. Just askin'.
*hug* to Dan.
Amy "yes, I want to hear _all_ the stories" Brown
--
Amy Brown, 2A CS @ University of Waterloo | BNR: (613) 763-7573
arb...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca |-------------------------------
Phone: (613) 823-6981 - home | *disclaimer*
"I've worked too hard for my illusions just to throw them all away"--W.A.R.
Daniel Drucker
Actually, just plain coincidence that I happened to have subscribed
to the group at the time to ask a question.
>Seriously, was he really _that_ annoying for _that_ long that he gets
I was -extremely- annoying for a period of three-four weeks, then
saw the light, apologized, and got turned into legend. It was also
around this period when my name was mangled from Daniel to Danny.
>*hug* to Dan.
Thanks. What are -you- doing here, anyway?
-- Daniel Drucker
xy...@panix.com
Keith Lim
[re Daniel Drucker]
>Seriously, was he really _that_ annoying for _that_ long that he gets
>to be in the Net.Legends list?
No longer than a couple of weeks. Which is about three or four eras in
Usenet. Long enough for the phrase "14-year-old _____ wizard" to become
part of the Usenet vocabulary.
Perhaps Mr. Drucker could go into the net.legends list for another reason
beside the above: quickest evolution from clueless newbie to normal Usenetter.
Where the normal response to flames is more flames (e.g. Barbara A.), Daniel
quietly stored up the clues he received, thus becoming a properly functioning
member of Usenet in what I think is probably a record time. Have to respect
him for that.
--
Keith Lim |\~/|
| O | SFU is just a big hunk of concrete;
|/_\| ergo, SFU doesn't have opinions.
Yogi Shan
That should be VALERY Fabrikant, not VICTOR Fabrikant.
Also, to be more precise, he called the presiding judge,
"the presiding muppet".
Yogi
Dimitri Vulis, CUNY GC Math
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>Victor Fabrikant 1992(?) sci.research(?)
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>
> Easily the saddest story in all of Usenet history so far is the tale
>of Victor Fabrikant. Fabrikant was an electrical engineering professor
>at Concordia University in Montreal who posted long ranting texts to the
>net complaining of how his department heads and fellow professors were
>sabotaging his career. He was apparently actually in danger of losing
>his position at Concordia for various forms of incompetance.
> After several months of enduring his ranting on sci.research(?), the
>people of Usenet were shocked to find Fabrikant in the news for having
>killed several of the people at Concordia that he had been raving about,
>including several fellow professors and the department secretary. His
>trial also became a news item, as he went through several attorneys,
>finally defending himself, and calling the presiding judge "a Muppet".
>
>==========================================================================
royally by the EE department at Concordia. He spent almost 10 years there
and did some outstanding research. Still, they wouldn't grant him tenure and
kept renewing his contract. He claimed that his chairman and other professors
in the position of power blackmailed him into putting their names as co-authors
of his work. This sounds quite plausible, considering that the chairman,
co-authored hundreds of papers in various fields with numerous people in the
department. Fabrikant sued everyone in sight and was winning his case when,
unfortunately, he snapped. He brought a bagful of guns to the deprtment and
killed 5 people (mostly graduate students, I think). It's a pity the
chairman wasn't in the office. That lazy bum...
Also the judge in the case was obviously an anti-Semite prejudiced against
Soviet emigres.
With admiration for Prof. Fabrikant,
Dimitri Vulis
CUNY GC Math
D...@CUNYVMS1.BITNET D...@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU
Disclaimer: my Usenet postings don't necessarily represent anyone's views,
especially my own and/or CUNY's.
Jason 'KodaK' Balicki
[some praises unto Daniel D.]
Oh, god. Dan is becoming Usenet Poster Boy, isn't he?
Eat it up, Daniel. *grin*.
--
Jason Balicki | ko...@shell.portal.com | Revolt.
Derek Peschel
William VanHorne <wvh...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>Yes, it arrives! Months in the making! After having real life intrude
>into my net.activities on a regular basis, and a full 4 months after I
>started this, The Unofficial Net.Legends List Is Here!
... except for Dave Rhodes (assuming he's real) -- Isn't he notorious enough?
-- Derek
Daniel Drucker
>member of Usenet in what I think is probably a record time. Have to respect
>him for that.
Why, thank you. :)
I think I'd better take that ascii photo out of my .plan at gnu.ai.mit.edu;
it's kind of stupid.
- Daniel
William VanHorne
If I can find anything on him, and if he turns out to be a real person, or
if not a real person then a pseudo-poster with a known person behind it,
he will make the list. I haven't been able to dig up any background info
on him.
---Bill "ATOM" VanHorne
Kim Scheinberg
>ch...@kits.sfu.ca (Keith Lim) writes:
>
>[some praises unto Daniel D.]
>
>Oh, god. Dan is becoming Usenet Poster Boy, isn't he?
To cross-breed two threads...
In the "who do you know that's famous" category...
I use the same net provider as Daniel Drucker...
kim "maybe i ought to get an account on world, too" scheinberg
--
Kim Scheinberg | You think I _wanted_ to be satisfied?
ik...@panix.com | - P. Wallich
Paul Tomblin
>in the position of power blackmailed him into putting their names as co-authors
>of his work. This sounds quite plausible, considering that the chairman,
It is standard practice in academia to put your chairman as co-author.
>co-authored hundreds of papers in various fields with numerous people in the
>department. Fabrikant sued everyone in sight and was winning his case when,
>unfortunately, he snapped. He brought a bagful of guns to the deprtment and
Snapped? He tried for nearly a year to get a gun permit, but nobody would
sign the part where it says that the applicant is mentally stable. He even
threatened the life of the department secretary to get her to sign.
Obvioiusly a very stable person.
>Also the judge in the case was obviously an anti-Semite prejudiced against
>Soviet emigres.
Maybe he was just prejudiced against people who call him a muppet.
>With admiration for Prof. Fabrikant,
>Dimitri Vulis
>CUNY GC Math
>D...@CUNYVMS1.BITNET D...@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU
Remind me never to visit CUNY.
--
Paul Tomblin (gratuitous Vicki Robinson reference)
"When viewed from the proper perspective, this thread is actually just a bunch
of people being silly." - Daniel Lottero
Joachim Thiemann
>killed 5 people (mostly graduate students, I think). It's a pity the
>chairman wasn't in the office. That lazy bum...
>
>Also the judge in the case was obviously an anti-Semite prejudiced against
>Soviet emigres.
>
>With admiration for Prof. Fabrikant,
>Dimitri Vulis
Speaking as an electrical engineering student attending Concordia University,
I beg you not to post if a) you do not know the facts b) your post is itself
VERY prejudiced.
I am very offended by your post. I know that others will be as well.
I have no pity for anyone solving problems by shooting people.
Flames to be sent to /dev/null.
Sincerely,
Joachim Thiemann.
--
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#include <st_disclaimer.h> | "I don't like it, and I'm sorry I ever had any
j_th...@ece.concordia.ca | thing to do with it." - Erwin Schro"dinger
Joachim Thiemann - Ugrad EE 2nd year - Concordia University, Montreal, Canada
GE -d+ -p+ c+++ !l u++ e+/* m++ s+/ n- h f(+) g(+) w t(+) r(-) y?
Lee Rudolph
>d...@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU (Dimitri Vulis, CUNY GC Math) writes:
>>in the position of power blackmailed him into putting their names as co-authors
>>of his work. This sounds quite plausible, considering that the chairman,
>It is standard practice in academia to put your chairman as co-author.
It may be standard in academic engineering, which is what's relevant to
Fabrikant; as Tomblin was trained as an engineer, I will trust him on
this until authoritative contrary evidence appears.
I understand that in academic biology, it is standard to put
the head of the lab as co-author (and not uncommon to then find yourself
omitted as co-author). In mathematics it is completely unheard of.
Since Vulis posts with a math address, I wanted to get this in before
he did--I hope I've succeeded.
Lee Rudolph
Chair, Math/CS
Clark University, Worcester, Mass.
David K. Bryant
>ch...@kits.sfu.ca (Keith Lim) writes:
>[some praises unto Daniel D.]
>Oh, god. Dan is becoming Usenet Poster Boy, isn't he?
Yes he is. For your personal copy of Mr. Poster Boy finger
xy...@ghu.ai.mit.edu
james dolan
well, a (perhaps small) part of the fabrikant tragedy was that
fabrikant belonged (if anywhere) in a math department rather than in
an engineering department. it was a clash of cultures in more ways
than one, in addition to whatever other kind of clash it was.
basically i strongly suspect that fabrikant was a dangerous lunatic
from day one, and that all fabrikant's accusations of corruption and
incompetence against the department chairperson and the two or three
main henchpersons involved were exactly on target. it wouldn't even
surprise me if the chairperson and the henchpersons did in fact
somehow try to provoke the attack and arrange to be conveniently
off-campus when it happened, as a way of trying to get fabrikant off
of their backs. (all of the people killed and injured were clearly
innocent bystanders who had nothing to do with fabrikant's real
justifiable complaints, if indeed they were justifiable.)
so even though i myself think that fabrikant was a dangerous lunatic
from day one, whenever i hear anyone else harping on that point of
view, automatically i think: that person identifies with the leaders
of the department because they themself are part of the general
corruption and incompetence that you find in academia almost anywhere
you look. fortunately though i haven't lost the ability to override
this automatic paranoia and consider the possibility that the only
reason they are against fabrikant is because fabrikant is a murdering
lunatic.
Michael D. Maxfield
alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers
I think maybe Dave Rhodes belongs on the VIRTUAL.NET.LEGENDS since no one
really knows if he is still around, and there is some debate as to whether
he ever actually existed.
Simon Streltsov
: d...@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU (Dimitri Vulis, CUNY GC Math) writes:
: >in the position of power blackmailed him into putting their names as co-authors
: >of his work. This sounds quite plausible, considering that the chairman,
: It is standard practice in academia to put your chairman as co-author.
Not everywhere
Simon Streltsov
Jonathan Papai
On or about Thu, 17 Mar 1994 13:17:15 GMT
ab...@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Tomblin) posted:
In regards to Victor Fabrikant:
> d...@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU (Dimitri Vulis, CUNY GC Math) writes:
> >in the position of power blackmailed him into putting their names as co-authors
> >of his work. This sounds quite plausible, considering that the chairman,
>
> It is standard practice in academia to put your chairman as co-author.
That is an over-broad generalization.
Some fields still have enough integrity to avoid that nonsense policy.
I personally think the guy just hated being in the same city as BGJW.
Jon " wondermentally " Papai
--
It doesn't really matter, because if there's a high suicide rate
at McGill, then obviously God exists after all. - Daniel B. Case
Matthew P Wiener
>==========================================================================
>Dr. Alexander Abian Autumn 1992 - present sci.physics/sci.math
>------------------- ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Dr. Alexander Abian, a semi-retired mathematician at Iowa State
>University, began posting to sci.physics in late 1992 proclaiming that
>TIME HAS INERTIA, that he is a genius of the caliber of Einstein and Newton
>for realizing it, and that he is deserving of the Nobel Prize for physics
>for his unique insight.
namely, that "TIME HAS INERTIA".
>==========================================================================
>Victor Fabrikant 1992(?) sci.research(?)
>------------------- ----------------------------------------------------
> Easily the saddest story in all of Usenet history so far is the tale
>of Victor Fabrikant. Fabrikant was an electrical engineering professor
>at Concordia University in Montreal who posted long ranting texts to the
>net complaining of how his department heads and fellow professors were
>sabotaging his career. [...]
Dr Valery Fabrikant did not post to USENET. Rather, he sent his long
ranting texts to a few hundred randomly chosen e-mail addresses, and
one of his targets was reposting them to sci.research.careers.
> A large collection of Ludwig Plutonium works is available by FTP from
>ftp.std.com in the pub/alt.religion.kibology/net-wackiness directory.
He has published letters in ATLANTIC, SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN, etc.
>===========================================================================
>Mark Ethan Smith late 1980s ?????
>---------------- --------------------------------------------------------
> One of the strangest netters ever to grace Usenet was the woman Mark
>Ethan Smith. Her original name is not known to your Listmaster, but she
>apparently legally changed it to Mark Ethan since she felt that female
>names were demeaning. Coming from a Jewish background, Mark would post
>long diatribes about Jewish prejudice against women, long diaribes about
>prejudice against women in general, and would engage in vitriolic flaming
>of anyone who referred to her as a "she" or mentioned that she was female
>in any way. This included the people who defended her on the net.
> Perhaps an example of a Mark Ethan Smith post is in order here (special
>thanks to Jeff Adler for this).
Mark lost access upon ?threatening too many pronoun abuse lawsuits.
Can anyone confirm just what happened?
>===========================================================================
>Gary Stollman late 1991(?) - early 1992(?) mostly alt.alien.visitors
>------------- --------------------------------------------------------
> Gary Stollman's name is still mentioned on the net, even though his
>tenure here was a brief one. Gary posted long autobiographical works in
>which he described how aliens were replacing his family with look-alikes,
>following him around the country and watching his every move, tapping
>his phone, and even replacing the local auto mechanic, his landlord,
>and his therapist with alien clones in order to watch him.
Actually, this is a known medical condition. (I can look up its name.)
It's apparently closed by a small amount of brain damage, whereby the
internal recognition centers don't work in sync with your emotions, so
something is eerily different about your friends and family.
--
-Matthew P Wiener (wee...@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Kim Scheinberg
Not to split heirs or anything...
/net/u/2/i/ikuo $ finger xy...@ghu.ai.mit.edu
unknown host: ghu.ai.mit.edu
kim "will eat finger-food for food" scheinberg
Perry Rovers
> In article <2m7tl3$a...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
> William VanHorne <wvh...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>
this list :)
+---------------------------------------------+---------------------+
| Perry Rovers E-mail: Perry....@kub.nl | Internauts do it in |
| DEA/IM, Tilburg University, The Netherlands | a network |
+---------------------------------------------+---------------------+
Yury M. Mukharsky
Paul Tomblin <ab...@freenet.carleton.ca> wrote:
>It is standard practice in academia to put your chairman as co-author.
Have you ever been there? I mean like undergrad, at least?
Yury
James M Hoskins
>Robert E. McElwaine autumn 1991 - April 1993 most newsgroups
>------------------- -----------------------------------------------------
>
> Along with Serdar Argic, Robert E. McElwaine became one of the most
>famous Net.Legends during his tenure on Usenet, generating enough fame and
>interest to rate a FAQ and his own newsgroup, alt.fan.robert.mcelwaine.
>He finally wore-out his welcome at Wisconsin-Eau Claire (UWEC) in April of
>1993 and lost his newsfeed. Robert has either found other means of
>proseletyzing or is unaware of alternate methods of net access, since he
>has not been heard from since.
Does anyone know what McElwaine's position was at UW Eau-Claire?
(BTW, he never responded to my email.)
----
William VanHorne
James M Hoskins <jhos...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>
>Does anyone know what McElwaine's position was at UW Eau-Claire?
>
>(BTW, he never responded to my email.)
No, Robert never responded to anyone's email, and I'll bet he used to get a
bunch of it! McElwaine was an undergrad student at UWEC who then graduated
from there and apparently hung around the school after graduation, either
working there part time or just hanging-out. If he entered grad school
he never mentioned it, and since he was very fond of signing himself:
Robert E. McElwaine
Physicist and Astronomer B.Sc. UWEC
I'm sure he would have trumpeted any grad school work he was doing.
---Bill "Physimer and Astronomist USENET" VanHorne
Keith Lim
>[some praises unto Daniel D.]
>Oh, god. Dan is becoming Usenet Poster Boy, isn't he?
>Eat it up, Daniel. *grin*.
He is.
Flames where flames are due; praise where praise is due. It's a sad
reflection on the state of Usenet that when someone shows an ability to
get clues fast, it's an exception rather than the norm. Future cluelessness
can be flamed as it occurs; past cluelessness needn't haunt one forever.
Daniel said something about removing the ASCII picture from his .plan file.
That's up to him, but .plans are different from .sigs in that .humongous and
silly .plans don't get inflicted on everyone else on the net.
Yes, and why *not* make Dan the Usenet Poster Boy? I think he's good enough
a role model for future newbies. Yeah, go on, eat it up Daniel. <g>
(I wanted to put a few smileys in the previous paragraph, but reconsidered.)
BUCKLEY CHARLES R
>coop...@bmerha48.bnr.ca (Amy Brown) writes:
>[re Daniel Drucker]
>
>>Seriously, was he really _that_ annoying for _that_ long that he gets
>>to be in the Net.Legends list?
>
>No longer than a couple of weeks. Which is about three or four eras in
>Usenet. Long enough for the phrase "14-year-old _____ wizard" to become
>part of the Usenet vocabulary.
>
Well, the only reason I mentioned Danny is that phrase. While the others on
that list we out and out flakes, Danny is not. But, that phrase and variations
of it will be around for a long time to come. How long ago was it that Danny
first came on the net? And everyone is still using that phrase. Makes me
wonder if it will show up in the jargon file.. if we can agree on its
pronounciation ... :)
charles buckley
.sig under construction
Tracy R. Reed
: Where's Danny Drucker?
And where is Dave Rhodes? You know, that guy who started that
get-rich-quick sceme god knows how long ago? I have seen that thing
everywhere, posted by many different people. It has shown up on Internet,
Fidonet, Wildnet...
--
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Mr. Tracy Reed |
San Diego State Univ. | Two Betazoids walk into a bar,
Aerospace Engineering | One says, "I'll have the same!"
tr...@ucssun1.sdsu.edu | IRC-Maelcum
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Lee Ann Rucker
have started seriously responding to John Winston.
In article <2m7tl3$a...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
wvh...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William VanHorne) wrote:
>
===========================================================================
John_-_Winston autumn 1991 - present alt.alien.visitors/sci.skeptic
-------------- --------------------------------------------------------
John Winston is a New Age/astral travel/UFO enthusiast who posts
to a wide variety of newsgroups. John has learned how to use his editor
over the years, greatly improving the quality of his messages. He
often quotes from "The Weekly World News" (a US-based tabloid paper
sold mostly in supermarkets), seems to have discovered an underground
network of alien tunnels under Mt. Shasta in California, knows all sorts
of alien visitors and brujos, and at one time tried to organize a group
astral-travel through the net. He makes our Legends list not only due to
the frequent mentioning of his name net.wide, but also due to the fact that
many people will satirically use the "_-_" spacer in their names when
talking about UFOs because John has always signed himself "John_-_Winston",
and seems to have the reputation of being the ultimate UFO man of Usenet.
==========================================================================
This list is not complete, especially in regards to dates, and your List-
master is in need of much information as to the history and content of
the famous netters listed here. Please, if you spot legendary Usenet
posters, and especially if you have personal knowledge or archives of the
legends of the past, share it!
==========================================================================
William VanHorne
Tracy R. Reed <tr...@ucssun1.sdsu.edu> wrote:
>And where is Dave Rhodes? You know, that guy who started that
>get-rich-quick sceme god knows how long ago? I have seen that thing
>everywhere, posted by many different people. It has shown up on Internet,
>Fidonet, Wildnet...
Anyone know anything about him? Is "Dave Rhodes" a real person? I would
be happy to include him (certainly "MAKE MONEY FAST" has become a net.
cliche) but other than a name at the end of a postvirus, I know nothing
about him.
---Bill "but, really, what do any of us know about anything anyway?"
VanHorne
David Finley
Where can one obtain the "net.legends" list? Does it "really" exist?
--
David L
bill nelson
: >started this, The Unofficial Net.Legends List Is Here!
:
: ... except for Dave Rhodes (assuming he's real) -- Isn't he notorious enough?
No. Rhodes just made one posting, to a bunch of groups. I think that he
quickly regretted making that one. All the following postings were by
idiots that simply followed the directions in his post.
Bill
Sudish Joseph
KS> dbr...@netcom.com (David K. Bryant) writes
>> ko...@shell.portal.com (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki) writes:
>>
>>> ch...@kits.sfu.ca (Keith Lim) writes:
>>
>>> [some praises unto Daniel D.]
>>
>>> Oh, god. Dan is becoming Usenet Poster Boy, isn't he?
>> Yes he is. For your personal copy of Mr. Poster Boy finger
>> xy...@ghu.ai.mit.edu
KS> Not to split heirs or anything...
Hmmm, first you split the heirs, then the money?
KS> /net/u/2/i/ikuo $ finger xy...@ghu.ai.mit.edu unknown host:
KS> ghu.ai.mit.edu
Try finger xy...@gnu.ai.mit.edu...
KS> kim "will eat finger-food for food" scheinberg -- Kim
KS> Scheinberg | You think I _wanted_ to be satisfied?
KS> ik...@panix.com | - P. Wallich
Sudish "Prefers inheritance to heirs" Joseph.
--
I seek apology for the null article.
I just happened by chance.
(from comp.unix.shell)
Daniel B Case
[defense of Fabrikant deleted]
>I beg to differ. Prof. Fabrikant, a Soviet emigre, really was being screwed
>royally by the EE department at Concordia. He spent almost 10 years there
>and did some outstanding research. Still, they wouldn't grant him tenure and
>kept renewing his contract. He claimed that his chairman and other professors
>in the position of power blackmailed him into putting their names as co-authors
>of his work. This sounds quite plausible, considering that the chairman,
>co-authored hundreds of papers in various fields with numerous people in the
>department. Fabrikant sued everyone in sight and was winning his case when,
>unfortunately, he snapped. He brought a bagful of guns to the deprtment and
>killed 5 people (mostly graduate students, I think). It's a pity the
>chairman wasn't in the office. That lazy bum...
>
>Also the judge in the case was obviously an anti-Semite prejudiced against
>Soviet emigres.
>
>With admiration for Prof. Fabrikant,
>Dimitri Vulis
>CUNY GC Math
>D...@CUNYVMS1.BITNET D...@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU
>
>Disclaimer: my Usenet postings don't necessarily represent anyone's views,
>especially my own and/or CUNY's.
Waitaminute! Is this the same Dimitri Vulis who used to clog up rec.humor with
his stupid, tasteless, and original files of Russian emigre jokes? After what
you did (and the way your tovarishchi reposnded, often in demotic Russian),
hearing you defend Fabrikant as a fellow Soviet emigre is intolerable.
Dan "Remember, I nominated Vulis for this list originally. It still stands"
Case
Daniel Case State University of New York at Buffalo
Prodigy: WDNS15D | GEnie: DCASE.10
Ceci n'est pas une pipe
V140...@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu dc...@acsu.buffalo.edu
Daniel B Case
Rumor has it he's been jailed for mail fraud.
Dan "They should also jail whoever fell for him" Case
Sean
How about Babek Sehari? He posted this stupid article about how os2 was
greater than unix. To every news group in the world. And I mean everyone.
Hung our newserver for weeks.
>Bill
--
Sean Berry
spb...@iastate.edu
BellNet: 515.296.4391
Sean but not heard.
Daniel B Case
>>famous Net.Legends during his tenure on Usenet, generating enough fame and
SHouldn't this also read "flame?"
>>interest to rate a FAQ and his own newsgroup, alt.fan.robert.mcelwaine.
>[...]
>>He finally wore-out his welcome at Wisconsin-Eau Claire (UWEC) in April of
>>1993 and lost his newsfeed. Robert has either found other means of
>>proseletyzing or is unaware of alternate methods of net access, since he
>>has not been heard from since.
>
>Does anyone know what McElwaine's position was at UW Eau-Claire?
Alexander Abian Distinguished Visiting Professor of Registering For Classes And
Not Showing Up So You Can Monopolize the Newsfeed.
>
>(BTW, he never responded to my email.)
He never responded to anyone's.
Dan "Except to send them copies of his posts" Case
Kurt Ludwick
be included in this list?
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Kurt E. Ludwick | "A mathematician is a device for turning
- - - - - - - -| coffee into theorems."
kel...@psuvm.psu.edu | -- P. Erdos
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Tracy R. Reed
: No. Rhodes just made one posting, to a bunch of groups. I think that he
: quickly regretted making that one. All the following postings were by
: idiots that simply followed the directions in his post.
Hmm. So he became infamous by misfortune, a lot of suckers liked his post
and decided to redistribute it. Do net.legends have to be people? I think
the MAKE MONEY FAST post has a place somewhere in net.history.
Michael Bauser
xy...@panix.com (Daniel Drucker) writes:
>I think I'd better take that ascii photo out of my .plan at gnu.ai.mit.edu;
>it's kind of stupid.
>
>- Daniel
>
I found it a little frightening myself. Although to tell the truth, if I
take off my glasses when I look at it (I've got 20/450 vision), it blurs
into a pretty good picture. I vote you leave it there so I have something
to scare my newbie friends with...
--
Michael Bauser (mba...@kentvm.bitnet or mba...@kentvm.kent.edu)
Dept. of Anthropology, Kent State University, Kent OH 44242, USA
da...@cca.org
>Does anyone know what McElwaine's position was at UW Eau-Claire?
>
>(BTW, he never responded to my email.)
Mine neither. I sent the stock "If you think it's true, go build it and
impress us with your nobel prize, you idiot!" flame.
-<=>- Dave Fischer -<=>- Help Fight Ambient Light! -<=>- da...@cca.org -<=>-
Alec Habig
Part time student.
>(BTW, he never responded to my email.)
I am one of the lucky few, then - here's one I got back when hew first started
the posting binge. Note that his famous capitalization style extends to email.
Makes you wonder what he sounded like in person.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 04 Feb 1993 17:44:07 -0600 (CST)
From: MCE...@CNSVAX.UWEC.EDU
Subject: Re: FREE-ENERGY TECHNOLOGY For Spacecraft
To: aha...@bigbang.astro.indiana.edu
>Hello,
> You posted this same article to sci.astro a few months ago. There was
>a great deal of discussion about it at the time, but you did not reply to any
>of the comments. May I ask why you would want to post the same big artile
>again if you don't want to participate in any discussion of it?
>
> Alec Habig
>
I repost articles for the benefit of NEW READERS. I do NOT have time to
argue about with CLOSED MINDS. Interested readers should consult my cited
SOURCES.
Thomas Koenig
>Yes, it arrives! Months in the making! After having real life intrude
>into my net.activities on a regular basis, and a full 4 months after I
I can't believe Dick Depew is missing, he even has an entry in
the Jargon File ;-)
--
Thomas Koenig, ig...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, ig...@dkauni2.bitnet
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double
logarithmic diagram.
cfb103
says:
>
>Where can one obtain the "net.legends" list? Does it "really" exist?
"Yes." It can be "ftp-ed" from enigma.phys.edu in "pub" directory.
-Josh ""sarcasm"" Munn
Dimitri Vulis, CUNY GC Math
>In article <2m8n5f$3...@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, d...@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU writes...
>
>[defense of Fabrikant deleted]
>
>his stupid, tasteless, and original files of Russian emigre jokes? After what
>you did (and the way your tovarishchi reposnded, often in demotic Russian),
>hearing you defend Fabrikant as a fellow Soviet emigre is intolerable.
>
Indeed, I told them to an audience in Catskills last summer, and they
loved it. I'll publish them as a book eventually.
But have I done nothing else to deserve a place in the net.kooks nomenclature?
>Dan "Remember, I nominated Vulis for this list originally. It still stands"
>Case
Thank you.
Trif
Daniel B Case
>So, does anyone else think that Roger Carasso (talk.bizarre resident) should
>be included in this list?
I think he's already in the longer version.
Dan "With longer sleeves" Case
R S Rodgers
William VanHorne <wvh...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>
> INTRODUCTION
In addition, I think Daniel Karnes warrants an entry. Dan
Gannon may run a BBS--byt djk, if I remember correctly, actually
set up an anti"pooter pumper" hotline on the answering machine
in his house. Additionally, his contributions to the world of
incite-ful euphemisms are large and varied, and probably worthy
of note.
(Of course, he has not entered the Usenet slang yet. I have
seen a few comparisons to djk come up in non-djk-involved discussions
though.)
--
Be sure to vote *YES* on rec.music.menudo!
Alan J Rosenthal
[Valery Fabrikant]
>was apparently actually in danger of losing
>his position at Concordia for various forms of incompetance.
My favourite, discussed at length in the memos he sent copies of by e-mail
(I read them on sci.research, right after the shootings, when people were
saying "hey look at sci.research for some background"), was that he ordered
a laser printer from some company, claimed they sent him the wrong one or
something like that, refused to pay for it, and eventually the company ceased
all dealing with all of Concordia University. He was apparently a real
problem! (Obviously shooting one's colleagues is also a real problem.) The
memos about that topic made it clear that he was seriously out of touch with
reality. He claimed that the reason people were mad about this episode was
their persecution of him, and he was unable to see the great disruption that
the department's inability to continue to order laser printer cartridges
caused. Oh, and he also insisted he was going to use grant money for teaching
release time when it was a grant that specifically prohibited that, and so
on... Some of his memos sounded like S*rd*r *rg*c ("do you deny that ...?").
There did seem to be some injustices towards him too, but from the memos, and
these are memos that he himself selected for distribution, it seemed that he
was far more the transgressor than transgressed against, even not counting the
shootings.
Alan "of course, everything stated from my memory above could be wrong" R.
Jorn Barger
Alan J Rosenthal <fl...@dgp.toronto.edu> wrote:
[...]
>saying "hey look at sci.research for some background"), was that he ordered
>a laser printer from some company, claimed they sent him the wrong one or
>the department's inability to continue to order laser printer cartridges
Now, let's get this clear-- did he refuse to return a *cartridge*
(value <$100) or a printer (value >$1000)???
john baez
>F'ING HEY F'ING I'M F'ING NOT F'ING ANNOING F'ING ENOUGH F'ING TO F'ING
>BE F'ING IN F'ING IT F'ING EITHER! IN FACT I'M NOT ANN0YING AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111
>
> -- K.
Sometimes you're a *little* annoying.
Daniel Gordon Frank
James "Kibo" Parry <ki...@world.std.com> wrote:
>and I feel like using a smiley here but I don't know how.
Isn't it rm -r?
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| danf...@cs.utexas.edu Daniel Frank |
| Nothing I ever read about Malcolm X mentioned his having a |
| wacky sidekick named Shorty. -- Brad Pope |
Kurt Wm. Hemr, Harvard Law School
fl...@dgp.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal) writes:
> [ . . . ]
> [I]t seemed that he
> was far more the transgressor than transgressed against, even not counting the
> shootings.
This sounds like the first sentence of a really creepy novel.
(Just an observation.)
--
Kurt Wm. Hemr / 1541 Mass. Ave. Apt. 553 / Cambridge, MA 02138
** Better living through shorter .sig files -- ask me about it! **
superunknown
Daniel Gordon Frank <danf...@cs.utexas.edu> wrote:
>In article <CMyLF...@world.std.com>,
>James "Kibo" Parry <ki...@world.std.com> wrote:
>>and I feel like using a smiley here but I don't know how.
>Isn't it rm -r?
Hey! That's not funny. I just tried that out, and now i can't play
DOOM any more! I'm suing.
5150
--
I woke the same as any other day
except a voice was in my head
it said seize the day, pull the trigger, drop the blade
and watch the rolling heads
Andrew Hime
: In article <CMyLF...@world.std.com>,
: James "Kibo" Parry <ki...@world.std.com> wrote:
: >and I feel like using a smiley here but I don't know how.
: Isn't it rm -r?
You have raped me. Thank you.
Andrew "znribo" Hime
--
A million poppies gonna make me sleep
Just one rose it know your name
The fruit is rusting on the vine
The fruit is calling from the trees
Juan Molinari
>... except for Dave Rhodes (assuming he's real) -- Isn't he notorious enough?
PUT.HIM.IN.THE.FAQ.FAST
--
Juan G. Molinari (716) 475-3643 465 Grace Watson Hall ____
ju...@clark.net jgm...@rit.edu RIT, Rochester, NY 14623 \HI/
"Let's sacrifice him to our gods! ... Well, why not? \/
we used to do it all the time in the 30's..." -- Abraham Simpson
William VanHorne
>In article <2m7tl3$a...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
>William VanHorne <wvh...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>> ==========================================================================
>> James "Kibo" Parry (???) - Present Everywhere
>> ------------------ -----------------------------------------------------
>
>I think (???) should be fall '87.
You are reported as sighted on alt.slack in summer 1987, so you are wrong.
But, to be fair we'll make it "1987".
>> Your Listmaster is suspicious that the designation "Kibo" (official pro-
>> nunciation: "Keyebo" alternate pronunciatons: "Kibbo", "Keebo") was added
>> to his name in order to make the grepping easier.
>
>Wrong here; I had the pseudonym well before I had used Usenet.
>People also call me "Kibo" in real life.
Why then do you not grep for "Parry"? (crowd mutters) No further questions
your honor.
>> If you would like to summon Lord Kibo from cyberspace, simply mention his
>> name and if He deems your posting worthy of comment, He will reply with an
>> oracular statement that may be decyphered by the initiated.
>
>I do commend the fact that you specify that I only respond to articles I
>feel interesting; I have *never* tried to respond to *all* mentions of
>my name (if you don't believe me, I can send you an output file from the
>most recent run of my search; I warn you, it's a few thousand lines
>lone) and this is something most of the lists of net.bozos don't seem to
>know. Good work on this sentence, but otherwise, you could have *asked*
>regarding the other stuff.
Been there, did that, got a nice pointer to the Plutonium archives. 'Course
to be fair, you may have replied and had said reply routed to Upper Slobbovia
like most of my email during one of our innumerable "system upgrades". In
any event, now that I have confirmation from You Yourself, the Kibo entry
will be modified accordingly.
---Bill "or not, depending" VanHorne
James Kibo Parry
In article <2m7tl3$a...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
William VanHorne <wvh...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> into my net.activities on a regular basis, and a full 4 months after I
> started this, The Unofficial Net.Legends List Is Here!
> ==========================================================================
> James "Kibo" Parry (???) - Present Everywhere
> ------------------ -----------------------------------------------------
I think (???) should be fall '87.
> James Parry took the rather simple idea of text-searching all news-
> groups for references to himself, and turned it into a net.wide industry.
Actually, I started doing that only after I found that people were
asking "Who is Kibo?" in lots of places and quoting me in their .sigs.
Therefore, it can't be why I'm "famous"; I'm "famous" as the guy who's
"famous" for NO REASON AT ALL.
> Your Listmaster is suspicious that the designation "Kibo" (official pro-
> nunciation: "Keyebo" alternate pronunciatons: "Kibbo", "Keebo") was added
> to his name in order to make the grepping easier.
Wrong here; I had the pseudonym well before I had used Usenet.
People also call me "Kibo" in real life.
> Kibo's modus operendi is to read postings in which the name Kibo
> appears and then decide if the poster is worthy of a response. This
> behavior of sudden appearance in response to his name apparently seemed
> rather god-like to some net.denizens who responded by inventing the
> religion of "kibology". This makes Kibo the only Usenetter to ever have
> spawned a major religion.
Huh? Where ARE you getting these ideas from? Again, Kibology was
around before I posted to Usenet; you didn't even read that darn
article in _Wired_, did you?
Kibology existed in several forms, including printed leaflets, well
before I had access to Usenet. It was first proposed by Todd McComb and
Mark-Jason Dominus; I wrote the original doctrine, back when it had
one. (Now it has an unoriginal doctrine, of course.)
> If you would like to summon Lord Kibo from cyberspace, simply mention his
> name and if He deems your posting worthy of comment, He will reply with an
> oracular statement that may be decyphered by the initiated.
I do commend the fact that you specify that I only respond to articles I
feel interesting; I have *never* tried to respond to *all* mentions of
my name (if you don't believe me, I can send you an output file from the
most recent run of my search; I warn you, it's a few thousand lines
lone) and this is something most of the lists of net.bozos don't seem to
know. Good work on this sentence, but otherwise, you could have *asked*
regarding the other stuff.
Your post was worthy of comment, but that's because it was inaccurate,
and I feel like using a smiley here but I don't know how.
-- K.
James Kibo Parry
Amy Brown <coop...@bmerha48.bnr.ca> wrote:
> In article <2m832t$s...@panix2.panix.com>, xy...@panix.com (Daniel Drucker) writes:
> |> buc...@cs.colorado.edu (BUCKLEY CHARLES R) wrote:
> |> >
> |> >Where's Danny Drucker?
> |> Here.
>
> Oh my god! He's Kibozing!
>
> Seriously, was he really _that_ annoying for _that_ long that he gets
> to be in the Net.Legends list?
James Kibo Parry
William VanHorne <wvh...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> Kibo wrote:
> >I think (???) should be fall '87.
>
> You are reported as sighted on alt.slack in summer 1987, so you are wrong.
> But, to be fair we'll make it "1987".
Okay, summer '87 sounds right. I was thinking fall semester of '87
because I know it was after I left RPI officially at the end of the
spring semester. So it may have happened between them. Of course,
early postings may not be from userid 'kibo' but from something like
'user...@rpitsmts.bitnet' (look for the big sword in the .sig). After
a series of rpitsmts (mts.rpi.edu) IDs, I was ki...@brazil.acm.rpi.edu,
then kibo%pawl.r...@itsgw.rpi.edu, then ki...@world.std.com, I think.
All articles from me should say "Kibo" in there *somewhere* so you can
search for that.
> >Wrong here; I had the pseudonym well before I had used Usenet.
> >People also call me "Kibo" in real life.
>
> Why then do you not grep for "Parry"? (crowd mutters) No further questions
> your honor.
I *do* grep for it. Newbies like Abian like to refer to me as "James
Parry".
> any event, now that I have confirmation from You Yourself, the Kibo entry
> will be modified accordingly.
Thank you mucho. What if I change my mind, though?
-- K.
Jason 'KodaK' Balicki
>the MAKE MONEY FAST post has a place somewhere in net.history.
Yes, let's do our best to make it history, real fast.
--
Jason Balicki | ko...@shell.portal.com | Revolt.
William VanHorne
Change it into what?
---Bill "sorry, mind-changers are already covered under 'Winston, John _-_'
so you would have to go" VanHorne
Alan J Rosenthal
>>was that he ordered
>>a laser printer from some company, claimed they sent him the wrong one or
>[...]
>>the department's inability to continue to order laser printer cartridges
>[...] ^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Now, let's get this clear-- did he refuse to return a *cartridge*
>(value <$100) or a printer (value >$1000)???
My memory on this is shaky. Surely someone must have the sci.research postings
around somewhere.
I think he didn't refuse to return it, just insisted that the company should
pay for shipping or something like that. After several months of arguing, the
company ceased ALL DEALINGS with Concordia University, or at least with his
department. I think that the item was a laser printer, but I don't see why it
matters. He pissed off the company for no apparent reason, and it screwed
other people up, and he was righteous about it, when he was clearly in the
wrong. I don't remember for sure what other items were prevented from being
ordered. Perhaps the university did order a laser printer every week, but I
think it was more likely something else purchased from the same company, either
printer cartridges or printer maintenance or something like that, either of
those items sounds familiar at the moment.
I really don't see why the precise value of the item which was in dispute
matters. He ordered the wrong thing, then got hysterical blaming everyone else
for it, then his posturing started seriously interfering with others' work, and
he kept posturing.
I'm not excited about being dragged into this quite trivial debate, but if
someone can point me out the sci.research postings available by ftp or gopher
or www or something, I'll find the thing I'm talking about and post precise
details.
Alan "I thought we wouldn't have to post precise details in this group" R.
Juan Molinari
>get-rich-quick sceme god knows how long ago? I have seen that thing
>everywhere, posted by many different people. It has shown up on Internet,
>Fidonet, Wildnet...
Didn't he get kicked out of AOL?
Rui Pedro Mendes Salgueiro
1 - Dick "I'm in control here" Depew
He got famous because of the ARMM incident, and now spent a lot
of time in news.admin.policy arguing (some people prefer saying
"evading the objections") inf favour of retromoderation.
I would like to know more, specially about the ARMM incident.
2 - John Palmer
I really would like to know why he his famous. All I could
gather is that he his a sysadmin seduced by the dark side of
the force. But what exactly has he done ?
--
Rui Salgueiro | Dpt. de Matematica |"In my life / Why do I smile
r...@mat.uc.pt | Universidade de Coimbra | at people who I'd much rather
r...@inescc.pt | Portugal - Europe | kick in the eye" - Morrissey
Daniel B Case
>2 - John Palmer
> I really would like to know why he his famous. All I could
> gather is that he his a sysadmin seduced by the dark side of
> the force. But what exactly has he done ?
Threatened to sue lots and lots of people who annoy him.
Dan "With virtual lawyers, yet" Case
Mike Dahmus
>How about Mike Dahmus? He is legendary for his OS/2 tirades,
>and currently is focusing on offending people in the rec.sport
>newsgroups.
>
>He has his own group, alt.fan.mike-dahmus
Thanks, Bernie! I'm already in the list - although I've tried to get my
section expanded with EXCITING NEW INFORMATION!!!1
p.s. - It's called "fishing" in the rec.sport.football.college group, and
nobody but the extremely clueless is offended by it.
--
Mike Dahmus Curator, rec.sport.football Hall o' Bait
mi...@gate.net also mi...@vnet.ibm.com
Please don't vote me new Kibo! "Something must be BROKEN here at IBM!"
David DeLaney
>Tracy R. Reed <tr...@ucssun1.sdsu.edu> wrote:
>>And where is Dave Rhodes? You know, that guy who started that
>>get-rich-quick sceme god knows how long ago? I have seen that thing
>>everywhere, posted by many different people. It has shown up on Internet,
>>Fidonet, Wildnet...
>
>be happy to include him (certainly "MAKE MONEY FAST" has become a net.
>cliche) but other than a name at the end of a postvirus, I know nothing
>about him.
What I know's in my FAQ; I got a post from someone who claimed to have
been at or near the physical location he started it from at the time,
and quoted it in the FAQ. Unfortunately, I no longer have the email
address of this person (except for login name) because I deleted the
(ir)relevant headers and .sig before noticing the From:-line truncation...
>---Bill "but, really, what do any of us know about anything anyway?" VanHorne
Dave "what, me knowledge?" DeLaney
--
David DeLaney: d...@utkux.utcc.utk.edu; "A penny, a penny, twopence, a penny and
a half, and a half penny!"; Disclaimer: IMHO; Thinking about this disclaimer __
may cause headaches, offense, brain seizure, or particle physics. VRbeableDJK\/
http://enigma.phys.utk.edu/~dbd for the net.legends FAQ + miniFAQs, or anon-ftp
David DeLaney
>fin...@ukelele.gcr.com (David Finley) says:
>>Where can one obtain the "net.legends" list? Does it "really" exist?
>
>"Yes." It can be "ftp-ed" from enigma.phys.edu in "pub" directory.
> -Josh ""sarcasm"" Munn
Um, enigma.phys.utk.edu ...
^^^^
Dave "the ^^^^ isn't necessary but the .utk is" DeLaney
cask...@ix.wcc.govt.nz
>In article <1994Mar20.1...@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>,
>fl...@dgp.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal) writes:
>> [I]t seemed that he
>> was far more the transgressor than transgressed against, even not counting the
>> shootings.
>
>This sounds like the first sentence of a really creepy novel.
More like an entry in the Bulwer-Lytton Contest.
Steve "it was a stark and dormy night" Caskey
--
Steve Caskey (cask...@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz) [ViRo]
Disclaimer: Who cares?
"I said 'Africa is a very big place.'" "Then don't stand so close to me!"
- Peter Sellers & Spike Milligan
denn...@delphi.com
>I *do* grep for it. Newbies like Abian like to refer to me as "James
>Parry".
t "and, defer too, come to think of it" c
--
( )_( )
\. ./
_=.=_
" -- I don't like Helvetica, either.
Iain P. Grier
David K. Bryant <dbr...@netcom.com> wrote:
>ko...@shell.portal.com (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki) writes:
>
>>ch...@kits.sfu.ca (Keith Lim) writes:
>
>>[some praises unto Daniel D.]
>
>>Oh, god. Dan is becoming Usenet Poster Boy, isn't he?
>
>Yes he is. For your personal copy of Mr. Poster Boy finger
>xy...@ghu.ai.mit.edu
> ^
> |
> +-----+
|
That's xy...@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Keith Justified And Ancient Cochran
Yogi Shan <ys...@bcarh697.bnr.ca> wrote:
>Correct for the Net.Legends List:
>
>That should be VALERY Fabrikant, not VICTOR Fabrikant.
You also have two entries for Clayton Cramer.
And yes, I'm going to write up my own entry for the FAQ. The stuff
you have in there now is just too ...simple... for my tastes.
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Alin Babah
Rui Pedro Mendes Salgueiro (rps@gabriel) wrote:
: The list was interesting but there are 2 entries that I think should be added:
Could a kind soul repost the "Net Legends List " please ?
I badly need it!!!!
Thanks,
A L I N
Ed Falk
>
>> Gary Stollman's name is still mentioned on the net, even though his
>>tenure here was a brief one. Gary posted long autobiographical works in
>>which he described how aliens were replacing his family with look-alikes,
>>following him around the country and watching his every move, tapping
>>his phone, and even replacing the local auto mechanic, his landlord,
>>and his therapist with alien clones in order to watch him.
>
>Actually, this is a known medical condition. (I can look up its name.)
>It's apparently closed by a small amount of brain damage, whereby the
>internal recognition centers don't work in sync with your emotions, so
>something is eerily different about your friends and family.
Oh, man! That's wicked. Can you imagine when they find a cure for
this? Picture a scene where someone who's convinced all his friends
and family have been replaced by space aliens is being told by those
self-same aliens that he has to go to the hospital for some brain
surgery.
--
-ed falk, sun microsystems
sun!falk, fa...@sun.com
card-carrying ACLU member.
james dolan
>Waitaminute! Is this the same Dimitri Vulis who used to clog up rec.humor with
>his stupid, tasteless, and original files of Russian emigre jokes? After what
>you did (and the way your tovarishchi reposnded, often in demotic Russian),
>hearing you defend Fabrikant as a fellow Soviet emigre is intolerable.
>
>Dan "Remember, I nominated Vulis for this list originally. It still stands"
>Case
ok, good call. but remember, i get the credit for jim bowery (now
sometimes mentioned for net.kook-of-the-decade).
so what _is_ the deal with vulis? is "russian emigre" a codeword for
"jew", or for "russian emigre", or for something else? (if i recall
correctly, minor and now somewhat reformed net.loon mikhail zeleny
claimed rather convincingly that vulis's posts contained certain
tell-tale phrases which are highly un-idiomatic in english
("dandruff-covered" was one of them, i think) which were dead
giveaways of classic pathological russian anti-semitism.) so is vulis
russian? an emigre? a jew in some sense? self-hating? maybe a
self-hating russian jewish emigre who hates only the jewish half of
themself? or maybe they hate the russian half too? are they now or
have they ever been, while residing in america, on the payroll of any
branch of any soviet or russian government? did they stop posting
russian emigre jokes when the paychecks stopped coming? are they a
zhirinovsky supporter now? the most recent messages posted by vulis
that i have seen seem designed mainly to convince people that both
zhirinovsky and valery fabrikant are (russian?) jews. (it's very
likely true in fabrikant's case, at least.) maybe vulis is a
self-hating supporter of zhirinovsky and fabrikant?
Peter V.Vorobieff
>so what _is_ the deal with vulis? is "russian emigre" a codeword for
>"jew", or for "russian emigre", or for something else? (if i recall
>correctly, minor and now somewhat reformed net.loon mikhail zeleny
>claimed rather convincingly that vulis's posts contained certain
>tell-tale phrases which are highly un-idiomatic in english
>("dandruff-covered" was one of them, i think) which were dead
>giveaways of classic pathological russian anti-semitism.) so is vulis
>russian? an emigre? a jew in some sense? self-hating? maybe a
>self-hating russian jewish emigre who hates only the jewish half of
>themself?
Vulis is simply the guy playing a net.loon so artistically that he's
nearly one with his role.
'nuff said...
--
Thus spake Kalmoth the Avenger, Kinsman of the Slain.
DISCLAIMER: All opinions expressed are neither mine nor
yours nor my employer's.
Dimitri Vulis, CUNY GC Math
>daniel b case writes:
>
>>Waitaminute! Is this the same Dimitri Vulis who used to clog up rec.humor with
>>his stupid, tasteless, and original files of Russian emigre jokes? After what
articles sitting unexpired on my home machine, and there were a total of
11, posted from 11/16/92 to 2/12/93. The total size is about 40K. I suppose
this is well under 1% of rec.humor traffic in 3 months... :)
>>you did (and the way your tovarishchi reposnded, often in demotic Russian),
>>hearing you defend Fabrikant as a fellow Soviet emigre is intolerable.
>>
>>Dan "Remember, I nominated Vulis for this list originally. It still stands"
>>Case
>
>
>ok, good call. but remember, i get the credit for jim bowery (now
>sometimes mentioned for net.kook-of-the-decade).
>
>
>so what _is_ the deal with vulis? is "russian emigre" a codeword for
>"jew", or for "russian emigre", or for something else? (if i recall
>correctly, minor and now somewhat reformed net.loon mikhail zeleny
>claimed rather convincingly that vulis's posts contained certain
>tell-tale phrases which are highly un-idiomatic in english
>("dandruff-covered" was one of them, i think) which were dead
>giveaways of classic pathological russian anti-semitism.) so is vulis
>russian? an emigre? a jew in some sense? self-hating? maybe a
>self-hating russian jewish emigre who hates only the jewish half of
>themself? or maybe they hate the russian half too? are they now or
>have they ever been, while residing in america, on the payroll of any
>branch of any soviet or russian government? did they stop posting
>russian emigre jokes when the paychecks stopped coming? are they a
>zhirinovsky supporter now? the most recent messages posted by vulis
>that i have seen seem designed mainly to convince people that both
>zhirinovsky and valery fabrikant are (russian?) jews. (it's very
>likely true in fabrikant's case, at least.) maybe vulis is a
>self-hating supporter of zhirinovsky and fabrikant?
Please post these questions to alt.fan.dimitri-vulis, where they might be
answered. :)
[This semester I'm teaching 2 courses as an adjunct at a Jewish religous
college, where I wear a yarmulka, by the way. ]
As for Zhirinivsky, he is not halachically Jewish. His father is and his
mother isn't.
I WANNA BE IN THE NET.KOOKS LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dimitri Vulis
CUNY GC Math
D...@CUNYVMS1.BITNET D...@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU
Disclaimer: my Usenet postings don't necessarily represent anyone's views,
especially my own and/or CUNY's.
Daniel B Case
>daniel b case writes:
>
>>Waitaminute! Is this the same Dimitri Vulis who used to clog up rec.humor with
>>his stupid, tasteless, and original files of Russian emigre jokes? After what
>>you did (and the way your tovarishchi reposnded, often in demotic Russian),
>>hearing you defend Fabrikant as a fellow Soviet emigre is intolerable.
>>
>>Dan "Remember, I nominated Vulis for this list originally. It still stands"
>>Case
>
>
>ok, good call. but remember, i get the credit for jim bowery (now
>sometimes mentioned for net.kook-of-the-decade).
He's yours.
>
>
>so what _is_ the deal with vulis? is "russian emigre" a codeword for
>"jew", or for "russian emigre", or for something else? (if i recall
>correctly, minor and now somewhat reformed net.loon mikhail zeleny
>claimed rather convincingly that vulis's posts contained certain
>tell-tale phrases which are highly un-idiomatic in english
>("dandruff-covered" was one of them, i think) which were dead
>giveaways of classic pathological russian anti-semitism.) so is vulis
>russian? an emigre? a jew in some sense? self-hating? maybe a
>self-hating russian jewish emigre who hates only the jewish half of
>themself? or maybe they hate the russian half too? are they now or
>have they ever been, while residing in america, on the payroll of any
>branch of any soviet or russian government? did they stop posting
>russian emigre jokes when the paychecks stopped coming? are they a
>zhirinovsky supporter now? the most recent messages posted by vulis
>that i have seen seem designed mainly to convince people that both
>zhirinovsky and valery fabrikant are (russian?) jews. (it's very
>likely true in fabrikant's case, at least.) maybe vulis is a
>self-hating supporter of zhirinovsky and fabrikant?
I wonder. Vulis (although he now posts from Penn State) posted from some BBS
in Brighton Beach, a big Soviet emigre area of Brooklyn. Most of those Soviet
emigres are Jewish. He mentioned that they went over real big in the Catskills
last summer, too. Hmm.
In any event they were not terribly flattering jokes-all the men were constantly
drunk and abusive, and all the women were horribly unsanitary. It wasn't fun to
read after a while.
Dan "Blednoe Chudo" Case
Dimitri Vulis
>In article <2m8n5f$3...@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> d...@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU writes:
>>killed 5 people (mostly graduate students, I think). It's a pity the
>>chairman wasn't in the office. That lazy bum...
>>
>>Also the judge in the case was obviously an anti-Semite prejudiced against
>>Soviet emigres.
>>
>>With admiration for Prof. Fabrikant,
>>Dimitri Vulis
>
>Speaking as an electrical engineering student attending Concordia University,
>I beg you not to post if a) you do not know the facts b) your post is itself
>VERY prejudiced.
>
>I am very offended by your post. I know that others will be as well.
>
>I have no pity for anyone solving problems by shooting people.
>
>Flames to be sent to /dev/null.
>
>Sincerely,
>Joachim Thiemann.
>
>j_th...@ece.concordia.ca | thing to do with it." - Erwin Schro"dinger
>Joachim Thiemann - Ugrad EE 2nd year - Concordia University, Montreal, Canada
Your so called university should hire Serdar Argic as a Distinguished Professor
of Eastern Anatolian history. Then Prof. Sharma will be able to co-author
Serdar's articles and will double the number of his publications in no time.
By the way, do you realize that your Concordia diploma will be fit only to wipe
your arse with it? No one familiar with the Fabrikant story will ever hire you.
Dimitri Vulis, CUNY GC Math
>I wonder. Vulis (although he now posts from Penn State) posted from some BBS
>in Brighton Beach, a big Soviet emigre area of Brooklyn. Most of those Soviet
>emigres are Jewish. He mentioned that they went over real big in the Catskills
>last summer, too. Hmm.
>In any event they were not terribly flattering jokes-all the men were constantly
>drunk and abusive, and all the women were horribly unsanitary. It wasn't fun to
>read after a while.
I have pledged to publish them in book form one day. If you don't want to read
the book, you don't have to.
>
>Dan "Blednoe Chudo" Case
I WANNA BE IN EVERY NET.NUTS LIST THERE IS!!!!!
Dimitri Vulis
>In article <CMtD3...@umassd.edu>, Lee Rudolph <rud...@cis.umassd.edu> wrote:
>>ab...@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Tomblin) writes:
>>>d...@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU (Dimitri Vulis, CUNY GC Math) writes:
>>>>in the position of power blackmailed him into putting their names as co-authors
>>>>of his work. This sounds quite plausible, considering that the chairman,
>>
>>>It is standard practice in academia to put your chairman as co-author.
>>
>>It may be standard in academic engineering, which is what's relevant to
>>Fabrikant; as Tomblin was trained as an engineer, I will trust him on
>>this until authoritative contrary evidence appears.
>>
>>I understand that in academic biology, it is standard to put
>>the head of the lab as co-author (and not uncommon to then find yourself
>>omitted as co-author). In mathematics it is completely unheard of.
>>Since Vulis posts with a math address, I wanted to get this in before
>>he did--I hope I've succeeded.
>
>No, it is not common practice in Engineering to place your Department Chair
>or Dean on an article. Not in Canada, anyway. I have a degree from U of T
>in Engineering, and I never saw *anything* like that there.
>
>The problem *does* crop up in India, where is is common practice to place
>the name of the Director of an Institute on all papers emanating from
>said Institute, I gather. Also: it also happens in Concordia's Elec Eng
>department. The chairman of the department was Indian, and apparently
>he liked the system, and so had his name on other folks articles. There
>is currently a board of Inquiry looking into the whole affair (not just
>Fabrikant shooting folks, but the academic charges of authourship).
>
>Fabrikant complained a long time about this, apparently there is a cabal
>(look! a pod!) in Engineering at Concordia on the matter of authors
>popping up on papers, and now they are finally looking into it. There
>was supposed to have been a prior inquiry, but it seems to have been a
>whitewash, or badly botched, prior to the shootings.
>
>Source: Someone who is at Concordia, and reads the student and
>faculty press there religiously.
Can someone please post Prof.Fabrikant's postal address in jail? I'd like to
send him a printout of this thread so that he'll know that he's still fondly
remembered and widely admired on Usenet. I doubt that he has Internet access
there, but if he sends me a response by snail mail, I could have it typed in
and posted to sci.research and other relevant newsgroups. That would be fun!
Friends of Fabrikant, unite!
Deaddog
writes:
>Nor would
>I hire _any_ Anglo-Canadian for _any_ position, because too many of them
have
>problems interacting with people of diverse backgrounds (a nice
euphemism for
>"are a bunch of godbloody racists").
Does Dimitry win the "shoot yourself in the foot" award
with this inspired quote?
What a maroon.
Dimitri Vulis, CUNY GC Math
>so what _is_ the deal with vulis? is "russian emigre" a codeword for
>"jew", or for "russian emigre", or for something else? (if i recall
>correctly, minor and now somewhat reformed net.loon mikhail zeleny
>claimed rather convincingly that vulis's posts contained certain
>tell-tale phrases which are highly un-idiomatic in english
>("dandruff-covered" was one of them, i think) which were dead
>giveaways of classic pathological russian anti-semitism.)
"Codewords"? "Un-idiomatic tell-tale phrases"? The only person I ever recall
calling "dandruff-covered" on Usenet is Misha Zeleny himself, and he certainly
is that, quite literally.
While at Harvard, Misha Zeleny was notorious for leaving mounds of dandruff
wherever he went. His movements could be traced by the heaps of dandruff on
hallway floors. Now he sheds dandruff at UCLA, to their janitors' dismay.
He probably won't get rid of dandruff until he grows completely bald.
Misha Zeleny also constantly picks his nose in public and wipes the snot and
flounders off of his fingers on other' clothes and personal belongings.
Misha feels that these personal traits are somehow uniquely Jewish and that
for someone, even a fellow Jew like myself, to be disgusted with him is, hence,
anti-Semitic. I disagree. On the contrary, it's anti-Semitic of Misha Zeleny to
claim that his dandruff problem (to put it mildly) is somehow Jewish.
To quote one of my numerous supporters on the net from ca 3/91:
>> This incessant flame war against Jews is continuing full blast.
>
>Only in your imagination.
>
>Vulis writes of Zeleny:
>
>>although he's not quite saying it, he's implying that i called him "a
>>dandruff-covered jew", which is a falsehood.
>
>You cite Vulis' original statement:
>
>>> Mikhail Zeleny has momentarily interrupted the archaeological
>>> excavations in his dandruff-covered proboscis to tell us this story:
>
>On the basis of your own inclinations you judge Vulis:
>
>>Appears that you *did* call him "dandruff-covered", and yes,
>>he is a Jew, and yes "dandruff-covered" is a common derogatory term for a
>>Jew in Russia. And so is "big proboscis". I guess, not only Michael is
>>right, but you are, indeed, an anti-semite.
>
>If you had taken the time to read Vulis' post rather than to interpret it
>according to your own mysterious predilections, you would have seen that Vulis
>was suggesting that Zeleny had been picking his nose (i.e. not concentrating)
>when he "fertilized the newsgroup." How you can construe that as evidence of
>"anti-semitism" is bizarre. And your use of "anti-semitic" is incorrect. You
>imply that all jews are semites and all semites are jews. Neither is correct.
>You should have written "anti-jewish."
>
>Perhaps the key-word was "dandruff." Clearly Vulis wrote that Zeleny
>has dandruff. And since Zeleny is a jew, the reference to dandruff
>is clear evidence of anti-jewishness by Vulis. I have dandruff. If
>someone mentions it, is that evidence that the person is anti-jewish?
>
>Vulis did not write that Zeleny has a big nose. Obviously, since you
>adduced the jewishness of Zeleny you incorrectly assume that to mention
>the nose of a jew is to imply a big nose. That is incorrect. And it
>is evidence that you are anti-jewish.
>
>It is apparent to me that you will find "anti-jewish" sentiment anywhere you
>want. You are paranoid. And of course, I expect that you will say that I am
>anti-jewish because I say that you are paranoid. But you are the person who
>assumes that to mention the nose of a jew is to imply a big nose.
>
>Finally, you write:
>
>>Moreover, by lying about not having made the above statements, you once again
>>give us irrevocable proof that you are a LIAR as well.
>
>What you clearly demonstrated to everyone on the list is not that
>Mr. Vulis is a liar but that you can't read.
Wishing everyone an enjoyable danruff-free Peisach,
Kevin J. Neden
[...]
>Can someone please post Prof.Fabrikant's postal address in jail? I'd like to
>send him a printout of this thread so that he'll know that he's still fondly
>remembered and widely admired on Usenet. I doubt that he has Internet access
>there, but if he sends me a response by snail mail, I could have it typed in
>and posted to sci.research and other relevant newsgroups. That would be fun!
>
>Friends of Fabrikant, unite!
Boycott Canadian goods? Ok, but don't forget...
1) We are each other's largest trading partner. The effect on *both*
economies would probably be pretty harsh.
2) Don't buy a house. Lots of the wood used to make them comes from Canada.
3) Oh, you live in New York? Don't use an electricity this summer. New York
buys power from Hydro-Quebec in the summer, and Hydro-Quebec buys it from
New York in the winter.
4) Still living in New York? Don't ride the subway. The cars are partially
built in Quebec, and entirely built by Bombardier, a Canadian company.
The list goes on and on...
Remember: Fabrikant is in jail because he *killed* people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
K.J. Neden (kj_...@pavo.concordia.ca)
Concordia University, Montreal, QC, Canada
SPENCE, JOHN
>send him a printout of this thread so that he'll know that he's still fondly
>remembered and widely admired on Usenet. I doubt that he has Internet access
>there, but if he sends me a response by snail mail, I could have it typed in
>and posted to sci.research and other relevant newsgroups. That would be fun!
>
>Friends of Fabrikant, unite!
Dear Mr. Vulis,
Tell me that you are joking. You and your supposed Fabrikant groupies are
not serious, are you? How can you glorify a man who murdered four people
in cold blood? Oh, by the way, in one of your previous bouts of paranoia
you made some disgusting remark about how Fabrikant got revenge on a
secretary who screwed up his request for a laser printer, that secretary
was not killed as you claimed, get the facts correct if you want to be the
leader of Fabrikant's Fan Club!!! I believe the saying is " a little bit
of knowledge is a dangerous thing", for anyone who is unfamiliar with the
facts of the Fabrikant case or if you think that Mr. Vulis is an expert on
the topic, there was an excellent article (investigative type) in early
1993 in The Montreal Gazette. Fabrikant is a hero to those people who have to
place blame on others for their own failures. If there were problems in
the system, taking a gun and shooting people was not the answer, anybody
who glorifies the man is just as sick as he is! A final question for Mr.
Vulis, have you ever seen a person shot to death? Or maybe you would like
to talk to the families of Mr. Fabrikant's victims?
John Spence
P.S. God help the ignorant
Michael Zeleny
d...@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU writes:
>In article <2mqhqp$8...@ucrmath.ucr.edu>,
>jdo...@ucrmath.ucr.edu (james dolan) writes:
>>so what _is_ the deal with vulis? is "russian emigre" a codeword for
>>"jew", or for "russian emigre", or for something else? (if i recall
>>correctly, minor and now somewhat reformed net.loon mikhail zeleny
I strenuously object to all of your adjectives.
>>claimed rather convincingly that vulis's posts contained certain
>>tell-tale phrases which are highly un-idiomatic in english
>>("dandruff-covered" was one of them, i think) which were dead
>>giveaways of classic pathological russian anti-semitism.)
>"Codewords"? "Un-idiomatic tell-tale phrases"? The only person I ever recall
>calling "dandruff-covered" on Usenet is Misha Zeleny himself, and he certainly
>is that, quite literally.
>
>While at Harvard, Misha Zeleny was notorious for leaving mounds of dandruff
>wherever he went. His movements could be traced by the heaps of dandruff on
>hallway floors. Now he sheds dandruff at UCLA, to their janitors' dismay.
>He probably won't get rid of dandruff until he grows completely bald.
>Misha Zeleny also constantly picks his nose in public and wipes the snot and
>flounders off of his fingers on other' clothes and personal belongings.
Awww, Dodik, you are only spreading these lies because I nailed Marina
before you. Funny thing is, she used to be fairly tight, until she
persuaded me to get my arm in all the way to the elbow. So don't be
surprised if your tiny appendage falls in like a gnat in a fly-trap.
Just coat those cockroaches with alum, and have another go at it.
cordially,
mikhail zel...@math.ucla.edu
writing from the disneyland of formal philosophy
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
Alexander Kasacous
Dimitri Vulis <d...@bwalk.dm.com> wrote:
[Stuff delete...]
>
>I guess, no comments are needed. Anyone who's had the displeasure to deal with
>Canadians already knows how they seethe with hatred for "non-white immigrants"
>and for anyone else more intelligent than they are (= the rest of humankind).
>
>(Note: a deservedly self-hating WASP is >>-quoted in the above.)
Excuse me!? I am a "white Canadian" and frankly I have never felt
any hate or loathing for any immigrants whether they be white or
purple, I really don't care. Furthermore if you are to look around
the world you will find that Canadians are perhaps the most racially
tolerant people in the world. Here's a few points for you to
consider:
1) The underground railroad for slave in the 1800's ended in CANADA.
2) Canada has never had an all white immigration policy/legislation
(like Australia has in its past)
3) Canada has had a very large influs of refuge immigrants (I think
only topped by Germany on a per captia basis) and yet we do not have
people fire-bombing new immigrants homes.
4) My father was a non-WASP immigrant to this country (Latvian) and he
was able to build himself a good life and send two children to Uni.
5) Have you ever travelled? I have been in a few places and the
thing that usual strikes me about a week or two after I come back home
is the ture diversity that there is in Canada. This usually happens
in Toronto either riding a subway downtown or streetcar into the
Chinatown/Kensington market areas.
Frankly I think your whine is falling on deaf ears. If you've
experieced any "hatered" it likely been because you are a jerk, not
because of your skin colour.
{bunch o' drivel deleted}
Alexander Kasacovs
Ecstasy Breath
>Dimitri Vulis <d...@bwalk.dm.com> wrote:
>>I guess, no comments are needed. Anyone who's had the displeasure to deal with
>>Canadians already knows how they seethe with hatred for "non-white immigrants"
>>and for anyone else more intelligent than they are (= the rest of humankind).
>>(Note: a deservedly self-hating WASP is >>-quoted in the above.)
>
>Excuse me!? I am a "white Canadian" and frankly I have never felt
>any hate or loathing for any immigrants whether they be white or
>purple, I really don't care. Furthermore if you are to look around
>the world you will find that Canadians are perhaps the most racially
>tolerant people in the world. Here's a few points for you to
>consider:
>
>1) The underground railroad for slave in the 1800's ended in CANADA.
>2) Canada has never had an all white immigration policy/legislation
>(like Australia has in its past)
This point isn't entirely correct. Perhaps we've never had a WRITTEN
policy against the immigration of non-whites, but generally it was
understood that only European immigrants were to be allowed into the
country and accepted in society. It wasn't until the "points system"
came about in the 60's (I think), that immigration was based entirely
on employability, education, or refugee status as opposed to race.
The rest of your points are correct though. Add to them that we've
never had segregation laws.
> 3) Canada has had a very large influs of refuge immigrants (I think
>only topped by Germany on a per captia basis) and yet we do not have
>people fire-bombing new immigrants homes.
>4) My father was a non-WASP immigrant to this country (Latvian) and he
>was able to build himself a good life and send two children to Uni.
>5) Have you ever travelled? I have been in a few places and the
>thing that usual strikes me about a week or two after I come back home
>is the ture diversity that there is in Canada. This usually happens
>in Toronto either riding a subway downtown or streetcar into the
>Chinatown/Kensington market areas.
He probably never ventured beyond Niagara Falls (or some similar
border town), where it's easy to get the mistaken impression that
Canada is almost all white. I lived in Niagara Falls for a couple
of years, and was struck by the fact that non-whites made up well
under 1% of the population. This is probably because in the
relatively recent era that we've been allowing non-whites into the
country almost all new immigrants (predominantly non-white), have
moved to the big cities like Toronto, where the jobs are.
[Followups edited out of soc.culture.nordic and a bunch of other groups]
--
"You are guests in my corn ....." -- Kevin Costner (Field of Dreams)
Ecstasy Breath. glov...@ecf.utoronto.ca. Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada.
Andre Bratu - CNED/W94
: Can someone please post Prof.Fabrikant's postal address in jail? I'd like to
: send him a printout of this thread so that he'll know that he's still fondly
: remembered and widely admired on Usenet. I doubt that he has Internet access
: there, but if he sends me a response by snail mail, I could have it typed in
: and posted to sci.research and other relevant newsgroups. That would be fun!
: Friends of Fabrikant, unite!
Since when is a mass murderer a "political prisoner".
--
The opinions expressed here are those of Andre Bratu and are in all
probability not shared by Ryerson Polytechnic University.
Ryerson Polytechnic cannot be held responsible for any statements posted
or mailed through this account. E-mail address: abr...@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca
Barry McMorland
Valery Fabrikant was, and is, and will forever be a maniacal pissant.
This man is a joke and the whole affair only serves to illustrate the
closeted world of academia. In ANY company in the world he would have
been fired inside of a month.
DD CONWAY
>Dimitri Vulis (d...@bwalk.dm.com) wrote:
>: Can someone please post Prof.Fabrikant's postal address in jail?
>: Friends of Fabrikant, unite!
>Since when is a mass murderer a "political prisoner".
Happens all the time here in South Africa. Since 1991, I believe.
D.C.
Igor Sheyn
: >Dimitri Vulis (d...@bwalk.dm.com) wrote:
: D.C.
Can any1 let me in on details? Like what were the reasons?
Igor
Toby Koosman
>>>I *do* grep for it. Newbies like Abian like to refer to me as "James
>>>Parry".
I just learned from a mathematician friend that Alexander Abian is a
legend off the net, for publishing his lunacy in unrefereed journals.
My friend says he was once a reasonably well respected academic.
Toby "but no Einstein" Koosman
--
Toby Koosman tkoo...@utkvx.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
Knoxville, Tennessee USA
Deryk Barker
: : >Dimitri Vulis (d...@bwalk.dm.com) wrote:
For what? For his being locked up? Because he strolled into the
Engineering Department office at his univeristy and blew several
people away. The reason was that he felt he was being unreasonably
denied tenure or something similar. The guy has *serious* problems, I
wouldn't waste your sympathy on him.
--
Deryk.
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|Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Without music, life |
|Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada | would be a mistake |
|email: dba...@camosun.bc.ca | |
|phone: +1 604 370 4452 | (Friedrich Nietzsche).|
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Dimitri Vulis, CUNY GC Math
>Igor Sheyn (sh...@cs.bu.edu) wrote:
>: DD CONWAY (dco...@cs1.uct.ac.za) wrote:
>: : abr...@acs.ryerson.ca (Andre Bratu - CNED/W94) writes:
>
>: : >Dimitri Vulis (d...@bwalk.dm.com) wrote:
>
>: : >: Can someone please post Prof.Fabrikant's postal address in jail?
>: : >: Friends of Fabrikant, unite!
>
>: : >Since when is a mass murderer a "political prisoner".
>
>: : Happens all the time here in South Africa. Since 1991, I believe.
>
>: : D.C.
>: Can any1 let me in on details? Like what were the reasons?
>
>For what? For his being locked up? Because he strolled into the
>Engineering Department office at his univeristy and blew several
>people away. The reason was that he felt he was being unreasonably
>denied tenure or something similar. The guy has *serious* problems, I
>wouldn't waste your sympathy on him.
>
From the sick and twisted mind of
Robert White
>>denied tenure or something similar. The guy has *serious* problems, I
>>wouldn't waste your sympathy on him.
>>
>That's "Soviet emigre mentality". You just don't get it, do you?
>From the sick and twisted mind of
>Dimitri Vulis
>CUNY GC Math
>D...@CUNYVMS1.BITNET D...@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU
>Disclaimer: my Usenet postings don't necessarily represent anyone's views,
>especially my own and/or CUNY's.
The professor in question was labeled "pathological" because he acted
in a way that the moral legislators deemed as "deviant". This is not
to say that the moral legislators are any different from those in
other parts of the world. It might actually be "Soviet emigre
mentality", but it happens to be the mentality that is keeping this
professor behind bars. And if this is the price of social stability
then I'm all for it. We can't make exceptions, and if we were to adopt
your perspective, we would be providing Fabrikant with an excuse for
his lack of control over his actions. I think all societies dictate that
the participants in that society abide by certain social norms, and
quite frankly, Fabrikant broke with that implicit/explicit assumption that
we are all quasi-obligated to abide by. One may fight for one's rights
as an individual, but in doing so this does not mean that the rights
of others are subject to being violated. In other words, Fabrikant's
victims had a right to live their lives out in full. Fabrikant is
still alive and able to exercise his rights while his victims have no
such option. The justifications may seem to be skewed in various
directions, but IMHO there is no justification for what that
ex-professor did. Murder just ain't altruistic! And it has solved NOTHING!
Rodney C. Peck II
> someone wrote...
[...] I think all societies dictate that
the participants in that society abide by certain social norms, and
quite frankly, Fabrikant broke with that implicit/explicit assumption that
we are all quasi-obligated to abide by. One may fight for one's rights
as an individual, but in doing so this does not mean that the rights
of others are subject to being violated. In other words, Fabrikant's
victims had a right to live their lives out in full. Fabrikant is
still alive and able to exercise his rights while his victims have no
such option. The justifications may seem to be skewed in various
directions, but IMHO there is no justification for what that
ex-professor did. Murder just ain't altruistic! And it has solved NOTHING!
Wait a minute. Are you saying that this Fabrikant thing is about
murder and people justifying murder based on "norms of society"?
hmm.
What does this have to do with alt.folklore.urban?