Chris Ward (cw...@inforamp.net) wrote:
: A rumor has been going around here that Marilyn Manson is in fact the
: eldest son, Kevin, from the show "Mr. Belvedere". Under all of that
: makeup that Marilyn Manson wears, I suppose it could be true. Anyone
: know?
> A rumor has been going around here that Marilyn Manson is in fact the
> eldest son, Kevin, from the show "Mr. Belvedere". Under all of that
> makeup that Marilyn Manson wears, I suppose it could be true. Anyone
> know?
Was this before or after he supposedly was Paul on "The Wonder Years"?
Barbara "I liked him best as the Energizer Bunny" Mikkelson
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Chris Ward (cw...@inforamp.net) wrote:
>: A rumor has been going around here that Marilyn Manson is in fact the
>: eldest son, Kevin, from the show "Mr. Belvedere". Under all of that
>: makeup that Marilyn Manson wears, I suppose it could be true. Anyone
>: know?
I have heard a variant that claims Marylin Manson is in fact Paul
(Kevin's best friend) from the show "The Wonder Years"...
Ryan
Just to add my $0.02...
Listening to rhe radio this morning (WRIF 101.1 Detroit), in a piece
about MM, I believe they mentioned his (?) real name. It was Brian
Williams or Brian Warner or something similar. Does this help with
anything?
Mark "Not a regular, but I play one under lots of makeup on TV"
Bialkowski
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>Chris Ward (cw...@inforamp.net) wrote:
>>: A rumor has been going around here that Marilyn Manson is in fact the
>>: eldest son, Kevin, from the show "Mr. Belvedere". Under all of that
>>: makeup that Marilyn Manson wears, I suppose it could be true. Anyone
>>: know?
>I have heard a variant that claims Marylin Manson is in fact Paul
>(Kevin's best friend) from the show "The Wonder Years"...
Hee hee! That would be even better! I received some e-mail telling
me that it has been printed in Rolling Stone magazine that Mr. Manson
was never a child star.
Oh well,
Chris.
Well, you never see them both at the same time...
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>rl...@tctc.com (Ryan Long) wrote:
>>Chris Ward (cw...@inforamp.net) wrote:
>>>: A rumor has been going around here that Marilyn Manson is in fact the
>>>: eldest son, Kevin, from the show "Mr. Belvedere". Under all of that
>>>: makeup that Marilyn Manson wears, I suppose it could be true. Anyone
>>>: know?
>>I have heard a variant that claims Marylin Manson is in fact Paul
>>(Kevin's best friend) from the show "The Wonder Years"...
>
Marilyn Manson's real name, according to the "eye" (weekend entertainment)
section of the San Jose Mercury News of January 17, 1997, is Brian Parker.
I've never seen "Mr. Belvedere", so I have no idea if this is the name
of the kid who played eldest son Kevin. However, it's clearly not the
name of the kid who played Paul on "The Wonder Years", said person being
Josh "Yalie" Saviano.
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In article <32de6...@newsread.cioe.com> Ryan Long wrote:
>Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 17:05:59 GMT
>From: rl...@tctc.com (Ryan Long)
>Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
>Subject: Re: Marilyn Manson is Kevin from Mr. Belvedere?
>
>
>
>
>Chris Ward (cw...@inforamp.net) wrote:
>
>>: A rumor has been going around here that Marilyn Manson is in
fact the
>>: eldest son, Kevin, from the show "Mr. Belvedere". Under all of
that
>>: makeup that Marilyn Manson wears, I suppose it could be true.
Anyone
>>: know?
>
>I have heard a variant that claims Marylin Manson is in fact Paul
>(Kevin's best friend) from the show "The Wonder Years"...
>
>
>Ryan
>
Doesn't this sound familiar to any of you or am I the only one that
thinks this is a retread of the "Alice Cooper was Eddie Haskell"
story. never did find out if that was true or not :)
>
>
>
Li Xian Ming
<snip>
>Doesn't this sound familiar to any of you or am I the only one that
>thinks this is a retread of the "Alice Cooper was Eddie Haskell"
>story. never did find out if that was true or not :)
Hehe, remember the one where Eddie Haskell was killed in Viet Nam?
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> Is it okay if I consider this a for-real urban legend that mutates and
> thrives, now?
No. What you have is a celebrity rumour. Standard stuff. So-and-so used
to be a child star, such-and-such had a facelift, this-or-that was in a
porn film, what's-her-name is drying out at Betty Ford. Celebrity rumour,
nothing more. Simple, amusing, one-line "facts" that once spoken don't go
anywhere. Sells _National Enquirers_, that's about it.
Legends are *stories*. They've a plotline, a cast of characters, a
suitable climax. Think "biscuit bullet" or "vanishing hitchhiker" or
"hit the floor!" These are tales of the imagination, little morality
plays your best friend's mechanic told her.
Here, simple and easy:
Rumour -- There's rat poison in Sweet Dreams chocolate bars.
Legend -- Rodents were ripping apart this factory in the Northeast so much
so the factory cats couldn't keep up. They set out rat poison,
but the problem was it didn't work fast enough -- before keeling
over clutching the lily, rats first had ample time to parade
around the factory. Some of the stuff must have passed from
their little feet to the conveyor belt for *three shipments*
of Sweet Dreams went out of there *laced* with rat poison.
A little girl in Detroit *DIED* after eating two of them.
No kidding, just died with the wrappers still in her hand,
the chocolate still smeared around her mouth. She'd stolen
the money to buy them from her mom's purse....
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In article <5bvra5$naq$1...@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, cm...@cs.tu-berlin.de
wrote:
>[3] For those of you who aren't familiar with this one, which I know
>only from the Big Book of Urban Legends (sorry, no ISBN, it's on another
>continent): Woman goes into ice cream shop, sees PN ordering ice cream,
>gets all flustered by this, buys cone, walks out of shop and can't find
>cone. Newman says 'You put it in your purse'.
ISBN:1-56389-165-4
factiod books/paradox press/warner brothers
page or so of comics per urban legend from DC comics
I remember the newman/iec cream legend as a comic strip as well, but had
trouble finding it in this book
>Hehe, remember the one where Eddie Haskell was killed in Viet Nam?
Yes, but it *is* true that Eddie Haskell was cop and got shot in the
stomach.
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However, it occured to me while thinking this over just now, that
there is something missing from the 'cute kid is now MM singer': Any
sort of moral. As Brunvand says in TVH[5], urban legends tend to
'teach valuable lessons'. The Marilyn Manson story has irony (which
is certainly a nice element for a story to have) but no lesson.
Getting back to the list of 'allowed' celebrities, we get this:
Story Moral Irony Mutability
Richard Gere yes (Beware of gay sex) a bit high
Lionel Ritchie yes (Beware of sterotypes) high high
Paul Newman yes (Don't be an idiot around celebs)none high
Jamie Lee CurtisNone (Yess!) none low
Marilyn Manson None high medium
Looking at other current legends and old faves:
ElmoBomber yes (Get a real job or the FBI...) high low
Glass flows NONE! NONE NONE
My point in this exposition is, I guess, to give us a further weapon
to beat down annoying threads. Being able to say 'yes, but where's
the moral' is a tad more...uh...scientific than to say 'because we
don't care, that's why!'
Although I must admit that the glass flows thread does continue to
fascinate me, not because of the content, but because of its
durability. It's become a bit of a meta-legend, and I find it
interesting why it is so durable: Two sets of 'proof' exist.
1) 'Hey, look, Vern, the bottom of this old glass is thicker
than the top! Must be flowing.
2) Well, the CRC says...
The moral here? People tend to believe their eyes over what some
squinty-eyed scientist reads out of a fat book.
On a final note, I'll be interested to see how the ElmoBomber story
holds up. Will it die out as people forget about the unabomber and
tickle me elmo? (both of which are to be considered a Good Thing, as
far as I'm concerned) Or will it attach itself to other pairs of game
designers/crazed bombers?
Robert "Watch this space" Pohl
Global Village Idiot
[1] Richard Gere is admitted to the hospital to have a hamster removed
from his rectum.
[2] Woman in elevator is told by black man to 'hit the floor'. She
drops. Black man was Lionel Ritchie who wanted her to press the button
for the floor.
[3] For those of you who aren't familiar with this one, which I know
only from the Big Book of Urban Legends (sorry, no ISBN, it's on another
continent): Woman goes into ice cream shop, sees PN ordering ice cream,
gets all flustered by this, buys cone, walks out of shop and can't find
cone. Newman says 'You put it in your purse'.
[4] JL Curtis is a hermaphrodite or something.
[5] Jan Brunvand's original work on Urban Legends. ISBN 0-393-95169-3.
The IMDB at www.imdb.com has the following for
Brian Parker (I)
Actor filmography
1.Over the Edge (1979) .... Alan
Director filmography
1.Beiderbecke Tapes, The (1987) (TV)
There's no mention of Mr. Belvedere, nor any biographical information on
Brian Parker.
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You can read all about it in "Curses! Broiled Again" also.
There is a very interesting account of how it swept the country
in 1986 (where "the country" = USA). There were a couple of
different actors in the leading role, Jack Nicholson was one of
them. The setting varied, too. I think I heard one version of it set
in Wilmington NC.
Bo "lucky it didn't happen in a pizzeria" Bradham
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> <grap...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >cm...@cs.tu-berlin.de wrote:
> >
> >>[3] For those of you who aren't familiar with this one, which I know
> >>only from the Big Book of Urban Legends (sorry, no ISBN, it's on another
> >>continent): Woman goes into ice cream shop, sees PN ordering ice cream,
> >>gets all flustered by this, buys cone, walks out of shop and can't find
> >>cone. Newman says 'You put it in your purse'.
I am feeling really frustrated now because I remember years ago seeing
this one vectored by Lois Wyse in her column "The Way We Are" in the back
of Good Housekeeping magazine. I can't remember the issue or year for the
life of me, but even as I read it, I remembered recognizing it as a UL. Of
course, she passed it on as having happened to a FOAF. And yes, in her
version of the story the celebrity was Paul Newman. I could not believe GH
let her get away with it. Of course, now I know better than to expect
truth from columnists.
Trudi "sticky fingers" Marrapodi
> Marilyn Manson's real name, according to the "eye" (weekend
> entertainment) section of the San Jose Mercury News of January 17,
> 1997, is Brian Parker.
>
> I've never seen "Mr. Belvedere", so I have no idea if this is the
> name of the kid who played eldest son Kevin. However, it's clearly
> not the name of the kid who played Paul on "The Wonder Years", said
> person being Josh "Yalie" Saviano.
The name of the actor who played Kevin is Rob Stone, according to _The
Complete Directory to Prime Time Network TV Shows 1946-Present_ (ISBN
0-345-37792-3).
Carrie "so there!" Weiner
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> Additionally, TV's beloved Mr Greenjeans was supposed to be Frank
> Zappa's illegitimate dad, and I believe I heard something about the
How could he be illegitimate if Frank was married, or did Frank have
another parent out of wedlock?
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>
> However, it occured to me while thinking this over just now, that
> there is something missing from the 'cute kid is now MM singer': Any
> sort of moral. As Brunvand says in TVH[5], urban legends tend to
> 'teach valuable lessons'. The Marilyn Manson story has irony (which
> is certainly a nice element for a story to have) but no lesson.
> Getting back to the list of 'allowed' celebrities, we get this:
>
While I definitely think you are right that it is an 'irony' instad of a
moral lesson, perhaps this UL stems from the popularity of hearing about
"Child stars gone bad." (I.E. the Different Strokes gang, Danny
Bonaduce, etc.). Another thought I had was that it is the opposite of
the "Bosom Snake" (I think that's what Brunvand called it, I don't have
a book on hand) theory.... That what something we once thought safe and
all american (i.e MCDONALDS) is actually holding nasty surprises for us
(i.e. Worm meat). So in this case, What some people hold as all evil,
(MM) was actually rather benign.
I personally favor the "sell out" theory: As alternative music becomes
mainstream, people who want to consider themselves "really' alternative
abandon anyone who has caught enough media attention to become a
household name. To someone who prides themselves on being a connoisseur
of the underground, an artist who sells that many records is a "sell
out", and worthy of slander. And since you can't really slander Marilyn
Manson for being bad, the worst possible story you could circulate about
him, is that he was once a goody-two shoes bad sitcom actor.
Jane
There's also the one about how Goeff Tate of Queensryche played Eddie on
the Munsters.
Larissa Smith
: >Hehe, remember the one where Eddie Haskell was killed in Viet Nam?
: Yes, but it *is* true that Eddie Haskell was cop and got shot in the
: stomach.
: * TO E-MAIL ME, REMOVE THE SPAM-BLOCKER FROM MY ADDRESS *
It wasn't Eddie Haskell, it was Jerry Mathers (the Beaver) and the
confusion was casued by the fact that someone with the same or similar
name was killed in action.
Can't remember Eddie's real name... but, I do know he did actually go on to
be in a band, Barnes and Barnes, which did the famous Fish-heads song. Also,
Joel and the 'bots mentioned this on MST3K, and Barnes and Barnes did a song
called 'Whatever Happened to Eddie?' with Eddie himself singing.
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I thought it was Bill Mumy and Miguel Ferrer.
But apparently I'm wrong.. or else all three were involved. In the
biographical info for Bill Paxton on the Internet Movie Database, it says:
Trivia
Directed the theatrical short _Fish Heads (1982)_ which won a Special Award at the 1982 Melbourne Film Festival.
(I don't think I've actually seen this, though I've heard the song a bazillion
times on Dr. Demento... it's time for number oooooone!)
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Yes it was. Today, Rob Stone is a successful director of documentaries. The
Washed-Update recently did an issue on Mr. Belvedere, which contains some info
on Rob. Check it out at http://www.bulmash.com/washed/archive/wu-belve.html.
The article mentions some new project his agent wasn't at liberty to discuss
(possibly a new music career?).
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>shimbo wrote:
>Thanks for clearing that up. I'm surprised that the Billy Mumy thing
>wasn't brought out earlier (at least in my circles) but if I remember
>a lot of the video was B/W and maybe he was hard to recognise.
Wait, I thought Billy Mummy was (Danger, Danger) Will Robinson on
"Lost in Space"
??
-Mark
> I thought Voobahaa (sp) did Fish Heads. At leased thats who MTV gave
> credit to in the early 80s.
"Voobahaa" (no, I don't know how to spell it either) was the title of
the Barnes and Barnes LP that "Fish Heads" appeared on.
Andrew
From the Dr. Demento Web site, copper.ucs.indiana.edu/~jbmorris :
Voobaha
Rhino RNLP 013 (1980)
lyrics by Art & Artie Barnes (So Boss Music ASCAP)
Fish Heads
Fish heads fish heads
Roly poly fish heads
Fish heads fish heads
Eat them up
Yum
In the morning laughing happy fish heads
In the evening floating in the soup
Ask a fish head anything you want to
They won't answer they can't talk
I took a fish head out to see a movie
Didn't have to pay to get it in
They can't play baseball they don't wear sweaters
They're not good dancers they don't play drums
Roly poly fish heads are never seen
Drinking cappuccino in Italian restaurants
with Oriental women
Yeah.
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Of course, these are my views.
He is both. Bill used to live accross the street from me. As a kid, he was
the boy in the twilight zone episode with "You're a bad man, you're a very bad
man. I'm going to wish you to the corn field" That episode was remade in the
movie. He was also Will Robinson of "Danger, Will" fame. Now as an adult, he
has a real band and also is one of Art and Arty Barnes in Barnes and Barnes,
and wrote "Fish Heads". Now a little known fact is that Bill has one of the
worlds largest collections of Pez dispensers.
I remember going to his house and wondering why he had pictures of the kid
from Lost in Space as a teenager. I thought that was a weird idol to have,
until I realized that it was his own childhood pictures.
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I rather think Voobahaa (sp, M3 T00!!1!) was the title of the album by
Barnes & Barnes. I suspect you misinterpreted the caption. (I'm too tired
to make an amusing comment on the "least/leased" misspelling.)
Barnes & Barnes, by the way, rate a track on _The Rhino Brothers World's
Worst Records_ volumes one ("Boogie Woogie Amputee") and two ("Party In My
Pants").
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You're mistaken.
>Steve Caskey <all...@schools.minedu.govt.nz> wrote:
>>
>> Barnes & Barnes, by the way, rate a track on _The Rhino Brothers World's
>> Worst Records_ volumes one ("Boogie Woogie Amputee") and two ("Party In
>> My Pants").
And on Rhino's Circus Royale with... Fishheads.
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<snip>
You're thinking of that great Sparks classic "Angst in my Pants".
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Currently, he's also co-creator/writer (along with comics pro Peter
David) of the Nickelodeon SF series 'Space Cases' - which, oddly enough,
bears some resemblence plotwise to 'Lost In Space'. He and Mark Hamill
appeared together in an episode as some very polite aliens - with the
robot from 'Lost in Space' as a background prop. They're both covered in
green metallic makeup and faking horrible Liverpool accents - it's
hilarious.
Mary
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>In Article <32FB08...@one.net>
>peabody <pea...@one.net> writes:
>>I thought Voobahaa (sp) did Fish Heads. At leased thats who MTV gave
>>credit to in the early 80s.
>I rather think Voobahaa (sp, M3 T00!!1!) was the title of the album by
>Barnes & Barnes. I suspect you misinterpreted the caption. (I'm too tired
>to make an amusing comment on the "least/leased" misspelling.)
I have the album called Fish Heads, and it is a record in the
shape of a fish head, which came in a clear heavy-duty flexible
vinyl sleeve instead of a cardboard sleeve. It is by Barnes and
Barnes. It contains Party in my Pants, I Had Sex on TV, (If You)
Swallow My Love, maybe something else (it's hidden away
somewhere, if I get the chance I'll whip it out to check).
Party in my Pants and Fish Heads were both made into videos.
JoAnne "the horizontal twitches, the volume knob goes wild"
Schmitz
"JoAnne Schmitz, on the other hand, has on occasion struck me as
shrill, opinionated, boorish and dogmatic beyond reason. This
seems to be another episode."
--Tony Sweeney, on alt.folklore.urban
I have a copy of "Fish Heads" by B&B pressed on vinyl shaped like a fish
head. Any idea what that's worth nowadays? Maybe I'll just itty on over
to one of the vinyl collector's newsgroups and find out...
GTTysonIV
Tar...@skantech.com
> Reverend Tweek <tw...@netcom.com-NO.SPAM-> wrote:
> : Dave Butner <dbu...@tmg-usa.com> wrote:
> : >Unless I am mistaken, I believe "Party in my pants" is by The Sparks.
>
> : You're mistaken.
>
> <snip>
>
> You're thinking of that great Sparks classic "Angst in my Pants".
You mean the Jim Steinman track _Dance in my Pants".
Simon.
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>I thought Voobahaa (sp) did Fish Heads. At leased thats who MTV gave
>credit to in the early 80s.
Never heard of them. But B&B definitely did Fish Heads.
-chuck
In article <AF2A87AC...@hearsay.demon.co.uk>,
sla...@hearsay.demon.co.uk.NOJUNK (Simon Slavin) wrote:
>In article <5dvdct$l...@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>,
>David Thompson <thm...@primenet.com> wrote:
>
>> Reverend Tweek <tw...@netcom.com-NO.SPAM-> wrote:
>> : Dave Butner <dbu...@tmg-usa.com> wrote:
>> : >Unless I am mistaken, I believe "Party in my pants" is by The Sparks.
>> You're thinking of that great Sparks classic "Angst in my Pants".
>You mean the Jim Steinman track _Dance in my Pants".
No, no, no. You're all thinking of _Polka in my Pants, by Barry White
(according to Talk Soup).
Mike "It's like there's a party in my pants, and everyone's invited!" Myers
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