McDonald's Coffee Stirrers
Dave Longyear
I used to have a friend -- sorry, now long gone -- somewhat eccentric,
with a penchant for collecting McDonald's stuff -- Happy Meal toys,
store decorations, and all sorts of Golden Arches garbage. He was a
somewhat simple fellow, without the sophistication -- or money -- to
pull off a complex hoax involving injection-molded spoons.
On one occasion (1983?) he showed to me three objects of white plastic,
all about the same size, all bearing the familiar "M" at one end. One
was shaped like a small spoon, capacity perhaps 1/4 cc. Another was
tipped with the familiar flat paddle we see today. The third was most
revealing; it was in the shape of the spoon, but with the bowl filled in
solidly; it had no capacity.
My friend explained that the spoon had gained a cult following among
coke-snorters, and when McD caught on, they quickly moved to make the
stirrers less attractive by filling in the bowl. (This would only
involve filing off part of the mold, rather than making a new one.) This
item was replaced shortly by the paddle.
I personally examined all three stirrers and I believe them to have been
authentic items manufactured for the McDonald's fast food chain, in
their original condition.
Although I can imagine any number of reasons for changing the design
from spoon to paddle, I can think of no good competing explanation for
the filled-in spoon style. Note that this one requires a relatively
large amount of plastic; there is no economy in manufacturing, shipping,
storage, or use, although the paddle may be superior to the spoon in all
these.
Yes, the filled-spoon is the smoking gun -- it demonstrates convincingly
that McDonald's moved in haste, and not *toward* any goal, but *away
from* the spoon. Add that to the well-known fondness of drug users for
amusing paraphenalia, and I'd say this UL is T.
--Dave Longyear
Greg Locock
> My friend explained that the spoon had gained a cult following among
> coke-snorters, and when McD caught on, they quickly moved to make the
> stirrers less attractive by filling in the bowl. (This would only
> involve filing off part of the mold, rather than making a new one.)
You know obviously know nothing (or are hiding everything you ever
learnt) about injection moulding.
Other than that, I'd give your story a T for trivial.
Greg " or Tedious" Locock
Little Brave
Good Lord, what an ass. Now I remember why I don't frequent
unmoderated newsgroups as much as I used to. I see that the
individuals who are the least literate are still the ones who flame
the most.
Thank God for killfiles and filters. Guess who got added to
the filter today?
KB
Lon Stowell
You. Would be my bet.
HWM
> Good Lord, what an ass. Now I remember why I don't frequent
> unmoderated newsgroups as much as I used to. I see that the
> individuals who are the least literate are still the ones who flame
> the most.
Go piss on the third rail. This is a.f.u.
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Rick Tyler
<xio...@mochaSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>I want to weigh in on the T side of this bit.
>
>I used to have a friend -- sorry, now long gone -- somewhat eccentric,
>with a penchant for collecting McDonald's stuff -- Happy Meal toys,
>store decorations, and all sorts of Golden Arches garbage.
<snip>
>
>Yes, the filled-spoon is the smoking gun -- it demonstrates convincingly
>that McDonald's moved in haste, and not *toward* any goal, but *away
>from* the spoon. Add that to the well-known fondness of drug users for
>amusing paraphenalia, and I'd say this UL is T.
>
I appreciate your research and conclusions, but it doesn't strike me
as quite the smoking gun you think it is. It would be a strong
"probably true" though.
- Rick "Any dates on those implements?" Tyler
--
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R H Draney
>
>On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:45:24 GMT, Dave Longyear
><xio...@mochaSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I used to have a friend -- sorry, now long gone -- somewhat eccentric,
>>with a penchant for collecting McDonald's stuff -- Happy Meal toys,
>>store decorations, and all sorts of Golden Arches garbage.
>>
>as quite the smoking gun you think it is. It would be a strong
>"probably true" though.
If anybody is interested in a fresh supply of such implements, I refer you to
the Bumble Bee people, canners of tuna...they have a line of pre-mixed salads
with crackers ("Ready To Eat", sez the package) with a teensy little spoon in
the blister-pack, along with a small tin of egg salad, barbecue chicken salad,
ham salad, sloppy joe mix, or other such, and a small packet of crackers...Big
Lots has them for 99¢ each....
I see no practical reason for a spoon rather than a flat mixin'-stick, but
that's what they give you....r
Dale Vermont
"dontaskdonttell" <n...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:3f759b93333b437c...@free.teranews.com...
> In article <3ee5c4ab$0$26635$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>,
> Greg Locock <gregl...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > You know obviously know nothing ...
> > about injection moulding.
>
> You're right. I don't know, but I *think* that injection molding is how
> a large number of the cheap plastic things that infest American life are
> made. I assume, without foundation, that the process involves injecting
> plastic resin into a mold. Other than that, I know nothing about it.
>
> But, I'm willing to learn!
Yeah you are pretty much right there. Molten plastic is injected into a mold
at high pressure to make sure it reaches every bit of the surface area.
Being a simple item the mold would be two piece, as there are no lips or
features that could cause problems. To fill in the sppon they would need a
new mold or at least half a mold an each mould probably contained hundreds
of spoons.
Hatunen
More likely around 50 spoons. And it wouldn't take all that many
molds to produce McDonald's output, since each molding machine
would kick out those fifty spoons maybe twice or more a minute.
Converting the spoon bowl into a flat top would require grinding
the "bulge" out of one side of the mold, a pretty simple
operation, and certainly a lot less expensive than making a new
half of a fifty-cavity mold.
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John Francis
Hatunen <hatu...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>More likely around 50 spoons. And it wouldn't take all that many
>molds to produce McDonald's output, since each molding machine
>would kick out those fifty spoons maybe twice or more a minute.
>Converting the spoon bowl into a flat top would require grinding
>the "bulge" out of one side of the mold, a pretty simple
>operation, and certainly a lot less expensive than making a new
>half of a fifty-cavity mold.
Mind you, you'd probably also have to enlarge the feeds too;
there's probably rather more than twice as much plastic in a
filled-in bowl, which could well exceed the delivery capability
of a mould set up to originally make hollow spoons.
Not impossible, but somewhat harder than just simple grinding.
And the solid spoon may require a longer cooling period ...
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Brian
>>
>>>You know obviously know nothing ...
>>>about injection moulding.
>>
>>You're right. I don't know, but I *think* that injection molding is how
>>a large number of the cheap plastic things that infest American life are
>>made. I assume, without foundation, that the process involves injecting
>>plastic resin into a mold. Other than that, I know nothing about it.
>>
>>But, I'm willing to learn!
>
>
> Yeah you are pretty much right there. Molten plastic is injected into a mold
> at high pressure to make sure it reaches every bit of the surface area.
> Being a simple item the mold would be two piece, as there are no lips or
> features that could cause problems. To fill in the sppon they would need a
> new mold or at least half a mold an each mould probably contained hundreds
> of spoons.
Have you ever worked with a die shop? Molds are often reworked
and repaired.
Filling the spoon could be done with the same mold (for a
low precision part, only one half needs to be reworked.
For a high precision part, both sides might need rework if
the change effects the shrinkage of the part during cooling.)
The molds are negatives of the part, so it would require
removing the material for the spoon depression for every spoon
in the mold. Then the mold would have to be re-heat treated or
coated to original specifications.
Any good tool and die shop could do this.
This is not a simple job, it would cost thousands of dollars.
However, a new mold might cost tens of thousands.
A good die maker could go the other way - build up the mold
to recreate the spoon shape. (adding material by welding)
Then the mold is machined (or ground) to shape.
This is done to molds that are damaged or worn. Much
cheaper than a new mold.
Another thing to consider is the cost of the extra plastic
in the filled in spoon. When making millions of stirrers,
it can add up. It would make sense that when the mold is
worn or damaged beyond easy repair, that the new one be
made with a more economical shape. Also, it would take
a lot longer to design and manufacture a new mold compared
to modifying the old one, so potential down time and shortages
would come into the decision.
Brian "Formally of Cambridge Tool and Die" L.
Karen J. Cravens
news:3EE691C2...@hotmail.yesbacon.com:
> Have you ever worked with a die shop? Molds are often reworked
> and repaired.
And damaged. Have we ruled out the possibility of a damaged mold
resulting in one in every 50(L) spoons having a filled bowl?
--
Karen J. Cravens
Dale Vermont
"Brian" <bml1...@hotmail.yesbacon.com> wrote in message
news:3EE691C2...@hotmail.yesbacon.com...
No, I haven't actually worked in any molding place yet, but I have been
studying IE and had some brief exposure to the field, so yeah I never
thought of it that way. Here is something for you. One of our assignments
was to do a feasabilty study on whether a plastics company could injection
mold a plastic coffin. Was a very interesting project. We had to give a
negative because the machine would require an excessive clamping force.
There was only one machine in Australia that could come close and we believe
a few in the world.
Hatunen
wrote:
>In article <3ee66d0e...@news.west.cox.net>,
>Hatunen <hatu...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>More likely around 50 spoons. And it wouldn't take all that many
>>molds to produce McDonald's output, since each molding machine
>>would kick out those fifty spoons maybe twice or more a minute.
>>Converting the spoon bowl into a flat top would require grinding
>>the "bulge" out of one side of the mold, a pretty simple
>>operation, and certainly a lot less expensive than making a new
>>half of a fifty-cavity mold.
>
>Mind you, you'd probably also have to enlarge the feeds too;
>there's probably rather more than twice as much plastic in a
>filled-in bowl, which could well exceed the delivery capability
>of a mould set up to originally make hollow spoons.
These stirrers were coffee spoons, the sort that J Alfred
Prufrock measured out his life with; the bowls were quite small,
and the amount they held even smaller, even in relation to the
whole spoon.
>Not impossible, but somewhat harder than just simple grinding.
>
>And the solid spoon may require a longer cooling period ...
Possibly, but the small volume probably have kept it from being
much of a problem.
Hatunen
<silve...@phoenyx.net> wrote:
Back in the 1950s I worked for the General Motors Division that
made all the plastic lamp sockets and connectors for auto wiring,
including some for Chrysler Corp, and I reckoned at the time we
might have been the highest volume injection molder in the world,
so I got to deal with the tool and die makers and the mold
designers quite a bit.
First, the whole point of the filled in spoon was to keep it from
being used, and thought of, as a coke spoon. The filled in bowl
made it more or less useless for this purpose, but it looked
pretty silly.
That means that having one out of fifty spoons filled in wouldn't
have done much, and in any case, McDs switched all the spoons
over.
Finally, given the nature of the molds used and the cavities
therein, it's hard to come up with any way damage to the mold
could result in neatly filled in bowls.
Jami JoAnne
>therein, it's hard to come up with any way damage to the mold
>could result in neatly filled in bowls.
>
You thought about writing McDonalds themselves and asking? They do have a
website. (I found this out when I injured myself at one of their places and
e-mailed them because the reason I fell was the sidewalk had been painted with
some glossy red paint and that coupled with rain made it slippery and I thought
they should put a railing up or some grip tape down. No, I didn't even try to
get money from them.) They probably won't confirm the coke story but at least
you might get their side of the tale.
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> Good Lord, what an ass. Now I remember why I don't frequent
> unmoderated newsgroups as much as I used to. I see that the
> individuals who are the least literate are still the ones who flame
> the most.
>
> Thank God for killfiles and filters. Guess who got added to
> the filter today?
Kewl. I've never been killfiled before, so far as I know.
Cheers
Greg "am I supposed to give a fuck?" Locock
Mike Beede
> First, the whole point of the filled in spoon was to keep it from
> being used, and thought of, as a coke spoon. The filled in bowl
> made it more or less useless for this purpose, but it looked
> pretty silly.
I must reveal the embarrassing fact that I've never even *seen*
cocaine, much less used it, but it seems to me that a) I've seen
one of these little spoons and b) the angle of repose of powdered
cocaine should be such that this modification would only cut the
capacity of the spoon in half. That's not to say that Mickey
didn't change it for that reason, but it seems it wouldn't have
"made it more or less useless for this purpose" unless "more or
less" means "only half as good." Of course, you'd probably spill
more, and I suppose with such an expensive substance people
would be likely to switch to something else.
Maybe that's why you can't buy an A&W root beer mug any more.
Mike
Dr H
Nah. The public announcement of a killfiling is seen as a mark of
status among a certain subset of afuski. And much of the time no
actual killfiling ensues. ;-)
Dr H
HWM
> I must reveal the embarrassing fact that I've never even *seen*
> cocaine, much less used it,
The thing is some bars in westpondia have their metal spoons drilled
with a hole. Has something to do with boiling heroin. Like why we have
blue lights in the public library toilets. Plastic spoons... cocaine...
well, yeah, only the rich go to McDonalds here, us mortals eat in a
clown-free environment at the kebab place.
Karen J. Cravens
news:3ee6adc5...@news.west.cox.net:
> That means that having one out of fifty spoons filled in wouldn't
> have done much, and in any case, McDs switched all the spoons
> over.
I know... I was wondering if the filled-in bowl *didn't* represent an
interim solution, but that the souvenir being discussed was a molding
error. If someone mentioned first-person knowledge of large quantities of
filled-in bowls, I missed it.
> Finally, given the nature of the molds used and the cavities
> therein, it's hard to come up with any way damage to the mold
> could result in neatly filled in bowls.
The only thing I could think of was if for some reason the bowl portion
had been created separately and attached to the rest of the mold. Being
that I have not the least clue of what these sorts of molds are made, nor
how, I have no idea if this is remotely possible. Hence the form of a
question.
--
Karen J. Cravens
Rick Tyler
<snip>
>
>Maybe that's why you can't buy an A&W root beer mug any more.
>
By amazing coincidence, I ate lunch at an A&W on Monday. They served
their root beer in a big, cold glass mug. The mugs were for sale,
too.
- Rick "Mmmmm... real A&W root beer" Tyler
--
"Ignorant voracity -- a wingless vulture -- can soar only into the
depths of ignominy." Patrick O'Brian
John Francis
Rick Tyler <rht...@attbi.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:26:18 -0500, Mike Beede <be...@visi.com> wrote:
>
><snip>
>>
>>Maybe that's why you can't buy an A&W root beer mug any more.
>>
>By amazing coincidence, I ate lunch at an A&W on Monday. They served
>their root beer in a big, cold glass mug. The mugs were for sale, too.
I bet you're not supposed to put coke in them, though.
Mike Holmans
<silve...@phoenyx.net> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>begin hatu...@cox.net (Hatunen) quotation from
>news:3ee6adc5...@news.west.cox.net:
>
>> That means that having one out of fifty spoons filled in wouldn't
>> have done much, and in any case, McDs switched all the spoons
>> over.
>
>I know... I was wondering if the filled-in bowl *didn't* represent an
>interim solution, but that the souvenir being discussed was a molding
>error. If someone mentioned first-person knowledge of large quantities of
>filled-in bowls, I missed it.
Depends what you mean by "large quantities". I haven't knowingly gone
into a McDonald's in several years, but there was a time in the 80s(L)
when I'd call in at the one between the bus stop and my then office
near Euston in London for a coffee on the way in to work. I certainly
remember being vaguely puzzled for several weeks as to why the spoon
had been filled in to be just a stirrer, because it looked so stupid,
until someone told me that it had been done to frustrate cocaine
sniffers.
The bloke who told me and I were certainly highly amused at yet
another example of the crazed kind of drug paranoia that we ascribed
to the American nanny state which seemed bent on protecting its
citizens from all sorts of imaginary horrors, especially compared with
robust, risk-taking Britain. We also thought it confirmatory evidence
for the theory that American drug users were terribly declasse that
they had even considered using an item gathered from a fast food chain
for the consumption of an over-priced drug whose only use was to
demonstrate that you had too much money.
Mike "though we'd have snorted the Mason-Dixon line, given the chance"
Holmans
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K. D.
"Dr H" <hiaw...@efn.org> wrote in message
>
> Nah. The public announcement of a killfiling is seen as a mark of
> status among a certain subset of afuski. And much of the time no
> actual killfiling ensues. ;-)
Hahahahaha -- I can't decide if it's pathetic or refreshing that certain
things are so predictable and unchanging over time. I mean, usually when I
go "home" after a lengthy absence, certain things have changed. AFU, on the
other hand, stays the same.
-KD
Jesse F. Hughes
And yet, the two of you are just too butt-stupid to notice that it was
not an AFU regular announcing the plonk, but rather a regular being
plonked.
Hahahaha indeed. How thrilling it is to see K.D. return for a visit.
It's so rare to find one with an IQ to match her bra size.
The self-congratulatory rebellion you kids aspire to is a bit more
pathetic than anything else I have seen here.
(Apology for the rare indulgence in responding to these two morons,
but once in a while, you got to scratch that itch.)
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physical object. It is overwhelming force." -- Two JSH quotes
John Schmitt
Mike Holmans <mi...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> writes:
[drug spoons]
>Depends what you mean by "large quantities". I haven't knowingly gone
>into a McDonald's in several years, but there was a time in the 80s(L)
>when I'd call in at the one between the bus stop and my then office
>near Euston in London for a coffee on the way in to work. I certainly
>remember being vaguely puzzled for several weeks as to why the spoon
>had been filled in to be just a stirrer, because it looked so stupid,
>until someone told me that it had been done to frustrate cocaine
>sniffers.
This jogs a memory. About that time (L) I was at university in
the same area, and some of the students I associated with I am
pretty sure were only interested in learning organic synthesis for
making recreational drugs. I never heard about the spoons, but a
short length, about 2 1/2" of McD straw was considered an
excellent way of indulging in Nose Candy.
John "McWhite lines" Schmitt
--
If you have nothing to say, or rather, something extremely stupid
and obvious, say it, but in a 'plonking' tone of voice - i.e.
roundly, but hollowly and dogmatically. - Stephen Potter
Gig Giacona
John Schmitt wrote:
<SNIP>
> but a
> short length, about 2 1/2" of McD straw was considered an
> excellent way of indulging in Nose Candy.
>
> John "McWhite lines" Schmitt
>
>
So are $100usd bills...
Gig "I heard all they all were" Giacona
R H Draney
>
>This jogs a memory. About that time (L) I was at university in
>the same area, and some of the students I associated with I am
>pretty sure were only interested in learning organic synthesis for
>making recreational drugs. I never heard about the spoons, but a
>short length, about 2 1/2" of McD straw was considered an
>excellent way of indulging in Nose Candy.
Oh hell...there go the shamrock shakes....r
Leo G Simonetta
Hughes) wrote:
> "K. D." <kayem...@spamhotmail.com> writes:
>
> > "Dr H" <hiaw...@efn.org> wrote in message
> >>
> >> Nah. The public announcement of a killfiling is seen as a mark of
> >> status among a certain subset of afuski. And much of the time no
> >> actual killfiling ensues. ;-)
> >
> > Hahahahaha -- I can't decide if it's pathetic or refreshing that certain
> > things are so predictable and unchanging over time. I mean, usually when I
> > go "home" after a lengthy absence, certain things have changed. AFU, on the
> > other hand, stays the same.
>
> And yet, the two of you are just too butt-stupid to notice that it was
> not an AFU regular announcing the plonk, but rather a regular being
> plonked.
>
> Hahahaha indeed. How thrilling it is to see K.D. return for a visit.
> It's so rare to find one with an IQ to match her bra size.
I hope that K.D. will double the lengths of her absences each
time, solely in the interest of science, to see exactly how long
it takes afu to change in ways that are discernable to her.
It would make it more likely for her to be able to see change and
make afu a better place.
--
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Hatunen
<silve...@phoenyx.net> wrote:
>begin hatu...@cox.net (Hatunen) quotation from
>news:3ee6adc5...@news.west.cox.net:
>
>> That means that having one out of fifty spoons filled in wouldn't
>> have done much, and in any case, McDs switched all the spoons
>> over.
>
>I know... I was wondering if the filled-in bowl *didn't* represent an
>interim solution, but that the souvenir being discussed was a molding
>error. If someone mentioned first-person knowledge of large quantities of
>filled-in bowls, I missed it.
How could you miss it? I said it right above.
>
>> Finally, given the nature of the molds used and the cavities
>> therein, it's hard to come up with any way damage to the mold
>> could result in neatly filled in bowls.
>
>The only thing I could think of was if for some reason the bowl portion
>had been created separately and attached to the rest of the mold. Being
>that I have not the least clue of what these sorts of molds are made, nor
>how, I have no idea if this is remotely possible. Hence the form of a
>question.
Since you asked, I can at least outline one of the processes I'm
familiar with.
First the tool and die makers make a model of the mold cavity
halves in hardwood blocks at a much enlarged size, maybe ten
times size or more. The model is made to very high precision,
requiring a very hard, dense wood. Most of the time only two mold
halves are required.
Then, after close inspection of the finished wooden mold, a
high-precision pantograph milling machine is used to make the
mold halves in metal, only one set. The sprue holes will be
machined into the molds (sprues are the places the hot plastic
will be injected, usually visible on the finished parts as little
raised dots). This mold will be used in a small injection molding
machine to test how it works.
Once the test mold has been approved, large thick slabs of steel
will be used and the wood mold and pantograph used to machine a
lot of cavities so that a single set of mold plates can be used
to make as many as 100 pieces at a time; the number to be made at
a time will be an economic trade-off between the cost of making
the molds, the cost of the molding process and the total quantity
required.
Hatunen
<mi...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>The bloke who told me and I were certainly highly amused at yet
>another example of the crazed kind of drug paranoia that we ascribed
>to the American nanny state which seemed bent on protecting its
>citizens from all sorts of imaginary horrors, especially compared with
>robust, risk-taking Britain. We also thought it confirmatory evidence
>for the theory that American drug users were terribly declasse that
>they had even considered using an item gathered from a fast food chain
>for the consumption of an over-priced drug whose only use was to
>demonstrate that you had too much money.
It was a joke, son.
Cocaine users thought it a hoot that McD was providing free coke
spoons and, since the "M" at the top gave two holes for wearing
the spoons on a necklace, the way they did "ordinary" coke
spoons.
McD considered it something of a PR disaster to its strived-for
wholesome family image to have their spoons being worn around
people's necks in the drug context, so they hastily tried to
quash the whole thing.
Joe Boswell
Simonetta <lsimo...@newsguy.com> writes
AFU does change, although obviously too subtly for KD. Yet her
sycophancy towards H continues as though time has stood still, as indeed
has H, still recycling the same old canards with complete
predictability. Their posts are like watching the umpteenth re-run of
one of those 70's sit-coms that was not funny the first time round, and
has not aged well. One wonders what motivates them to such repetitious
and uncreative activity; could there be some pathology?
--
Joe * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap
Karen J. Cravens
> How could you miss it? I said it right above.
Above what? Above the post where I speculated, or above the post where I
explained why I was speculating? I only saw it above the latter post, in
which case the smartaleck answer would have to be "because I don't have a
time machine." If it was elsewhere in the thread, I may have just plain
missed the message.
> Since you asked, I can at least outline one of the processes I'm
> familiar with.
Inneresting. I'm familiar (book-l'arning only) with some moldmaking (in a
fine-art context), and would have assumed the originals would have been
made to scale.
--
Karen J. Cravens
Hatunen
<silve...@phoenyx.net> wrote:
>begin hatu...@cox.net (Hatunen) quotation from
>news:3ee8a31c...@news.west.cox.net:
>
>> How could you miss it? I said it right above.
>
>Above what? Above the post where I speculated, or above the post where I
>explained why I was speculating? I only saw it above the latter post, in
>which case the smartaleck answer would have to be "because I don't have a
>time machine." If it was elsewhere in the thread, I may have just plain
>missed the message.
I clearly said, "... and in any case, McDs switched all the
spoons over."
Joseph Michael Bay
Wha? The Shamrock Shakes are what you wake up with
a couple days after St. Patrick's Day.
Joe "in a Dumpster(tm) brand garbage receptacle" Bay
--
Joseph M. Bay Lamont Sanford Junior University
www.stanford.edu/~jmbay/ DEPARTMENT OF microbiology AND
Information Fabrication Facility IMMUNOLOGY
Age 7 (ret), Mrs.
Simon Slavin
dontaskdonttell <n...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>http://www.epinions.com/rest-review-1EA0-B43C195-39233BCE-prod5
>
>= There is also the dodgy issue of the coffee stirrers having
>= been altered for the American market because they were
>= reportedly being used as coke (cocaine) spoons; Canadian
>= Mcstirrers remain spoon-like. Make of that what you will.
>
>A search for "spoon" on the McDonald's official website
>turns up 0 matches.
There is no spoon.
R H Draney
says...
Same result for "spork"....
KFC's website, unfortunately, doesn't appear to have a search capability....r
R H Draney
>
>R H Draney <dado...@earthlink.net> writes:
>
>>Oh hell...there go the shamrock shakes....r
>
>Wha? The Shamrock Shakes are what you wake up with
>a couple days after St. Patrick's Day.
At this point, the possibility yet remains that we're talking about the same
thing....
>Joe "in a Dumpster(tm) brand garbage receptacle" Bay
Nope...the ambiguity's *still* there....
R H "but is the point, as Hitchcock observes, in the box?" Draney
Lon Stowell
> In article <BB0EBDF19...@10.0.1.2>, sla...@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost
> says...
>
>>In article <3f759b93333b437c...@free.teranews.com>,
>>dontaskdonttell <n...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>A search for "spoon" on the McDonald's official website
>>>turns up 0 matches.
>>
>>There is no spoon.
>
>
> Same result for "spork"....
Did you try "runcible"
> KFC's website, unfortunately, doesn't appear to have a search capability....r
Yo quero google?
TeaLady (Mari C.)
news:bcb46...@drn.newsguy.com:
Ever notice that *none* of these mind-benders use sporks ? I'm
gonna be up all night with that one. Could be trying to solve the
world's travails, but noooooo, I'm gonna be up all night wondering
why the damn fools don't bend sporks.
Dammit.
--
TeaLady (mari)
...But now I'm feeling so much better, I could cakewalk into town.
http://sewers.artinfo.ru/exhibition/exhib-e.htm, for those who like
the covers better than the holes.
Michael Heinz
> A search for "spoon" on the McDonald's official website
> turns up 0 matches.
You know, when I lose *my* spoon at McDonalds, I usually just grab a
clean one.
R H Draney
>
>R H Draney wrote:
>>
>> Same result for "spork"....
>
> Did you try "runcible"
>
>> KFC's website, unfortunately, doesn't appear to have a search capability....r
>
> Yo quero google?
I know what a spork *is*...I wanted to know if the fast-food places consider
them important enough to devote a part of their official websites to them...(I
chose KFC because they were mentioned as the point of origin of this particular
bit of chimerical cutlery on a recent episode of "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me"; I
don't remember if that was a true story or one of the red herrings)....
I have before me a book called "Google Hacks", one of the few O'Reilly
publications without an animal on the cover (there's a pair of Vise-Grips
instead)...when I've had a chance to look through it, I'll see if I can come up
with a search that will locate the necessary term *limited* to the
www.mcdonalds.com and www.kfc.com domainen....r
Alice Faber
Lon Stowell <lon.s...@attbi.com> wrote:
> R H Draney wrote:
> > In article <BB0EBDF19...@10.0.1.2>,
> > sla...@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost
> > says...
> >
> >>In article <3f759b93333b437c...@free.teranews.com>,
> >>dontaskdonttell <n...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>A search for "spoon" on the McDonald's official website
> >>>turns up 0 matches.
> >>
> >>There is no spoon.
> >
> >
> > Same result for "spork"....
>
> Did you try "runcible"
Your search - "runcible spork" - did not match any documents.
Alice
"<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22runcible+s
pork%22&btnG=Google+Search>" Faber
--
"Personally, I rely on a Rottweiler for 802.11 security"
--Nathan Tenny shares his "professional" networking expertise
Joseph Michael Bay
>> Did you try "runcible"
>Your search - "runcible spork" - did not match any documents.
Your search - "bohemian ear spork" - did not match any documents
cancona
"Lon Stowell" <lon.s...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3EE91C5F...@attbi.com...
<snip McDonalds changes coffee stirrer design because spoons are being used
to snort cocaine>
> Yo quero google?
A while back on this topic I posted a cite from the New York Times ~1979
that simply states the design was being changed because of the Coke
connection.
For some reason I like this topic. Googling on coffee + stirrer + cocaine
gets only eighty some hits. From
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/7/thread7357.shtml
(Nalepka being Joyce Nalepka, an anti-drug activist of somewhat folkloric
proportions)
"In November 1979, Nalepka was invited to testify at U.S. Senate hearings on
drug paraphernalia. She heard the manufacturers argue that "you can't outlaw
drug paraphernalia. Kids can make it out of anything." They held up
cardboard toilet-paper rolls lined with tin foil (homemade bongs), and
McDonald's plastic stirring spoons, which the paraphernalia people claimed
were "the best cocaine spoons in town -- free with every cup of coffee."
That evening Nalepka made three phone calls and finally got through to
McDonald's president in Illinois. She said that she was testifying the next
day, and that she would like to be able to announce that McDonald's was
withdrawing and redesigning their plastic spoons. The president, Ed Schmidt,
was immediately sympathetic. He made the decision within an hour. Nalepka
sat up until 1:00 A.M. typing out a press release, which she took to the
printer at 8:30 the next morning. She arrived at the hearings with a stack
of press releases announcing that McDonald's was withdrawing the spoons in
their four thousand outlets nationwide, and would replace them with a flat
paddle stirrer. Her release was used throughout the United States and
abroad."
A brief search yields no other information and I don't know whether this
story has been posted before on AFU. (I guess I'll go look) OK something
giving a ~1983 date at
http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=757vpe%248nn%40panix3.p
anix.com
from Alan Follett
I have sent out several emails to the parties involved concerning the date
of the "press release" and such, and will report back.
Caeli "the google also turned up some yummy coffee drink recipes"
Ancona
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> I know... I was wondering if the filled-in bowl *didn't* represent an
> interim solution, but that the souvenir being discussed was a molding
> error. If someone mentioned first-person knowledge of large quantities of
> filled-in bowls, I missed it.
Consider it mentioned.
At one time I had examples of all three in my desk,
and when this topic last came up was able to find
the original spoon [two varieties] and the paddle
[two varieties], but could not find the example of
the filled-in spoon, even though I'm sure I have
one somewhere. At the moment I can't find any of
them, but other interesting things showed up while
I was searching. Also, I clearly remember measuring
the capacity of that spoon, but I can't find that
information either, even though I think I posted
the data somewhere. In the meanwhile, anyone
interested in a sample of lava from Mt. Vesuvius
with a coin firmly embedded in it?
Charles
>
>
>>Finally, given the nature of the molds used and the cavities
>>therein, it's hard to come up with any way damage to the mold
>>could result in neatly filled in bowls.
>
>
> The only thing I could think of was if for some reason the bowl portion
> had been created separately and attached to the rest of the mold. Being
> that I have not the least clue of what these sorts of molds are made, nor
> how, I have no idea if this is remotely possible. Hence the form of a
> question.
>
--
"And some rin up hill and down dale, knapping the
chucky stanes to pieces wi' hammers, like sae mony
road-makers run daft -- they say it is to see how
the warld was made!"
Karen J. Cravens
> I clearly said, "... and in any case, McDs switched all the
> spoons over."
Yes. You clearly said it in the reply. I realize that AFU has high
standards, but I wasn't aware that we were expected to take into account
replies that hadn't been written yet while writing a post...
--
Karen J. Cravens
David Wnsemius
Just use the Advanced Search form: http://www.google.com/advanced_search
Stelios Zacharias
<cdim...@snet.net> wrote:
>In the meanwhile, anyone
>interested in a sample of lava from Mt. Vesuvius
>with a coin firmly embedded in it?
If it's called Herculaneum, yes.
Stelios "or is city-sized too big to be a sample?" Zacharias
--
The address in the headers is real and does not need de-mungeing
Charles A Lieberman
R H Draney <dado...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>A search for "spoon" on the McDonald's official website
> >>turns up 0 matches.
> >
> >There is no spoon.
>
> Same result for "spork"....
>
> KFC's website, unfortunately, doesn't appear to have a search capability....r
Google, however, lets you search only a particular domain: three
irrelevant hits for spoon, gornisht for spork.
I did, however, get an ad for "a Titanium spoon/fork combo."
--
Charles A. Lieberman | "Granted, the animals without heads, bones, or
New York, NY, USA | limbs need a lot of assistance to breed, but so
cali...@bigfoot.com | what?" Nathan Tenny teaches AFU animal husbandry
Leo G Simonetta
<cdim...@snet.net> wrote:
> Karen J. Cravens wrote:
>
> > I know... I was wondering if the filled-in bowl *didn't* represent an
> > interim solution, but that the souvenir being discussed was a molding
> > error. If someone mentioned first-person knowledge of large quantities of
> > filled-in bowls, I missed it.
>
> Consider it mentioned.
> At one time I had examples of all three in my desk,
> and when this topic last came up was able to find
> the original spoon [two varieties] and the paddle
> [two varieties], but could not find the example of
> the filled-in spoon, even though I'm sure I have
> one somewhere. At the moment I can't find any of
> them, but other interesting things showed up while
> I was searching. Also, I clearly remember measuring
> the capacity of that spoon, but I can't find that
> information either, even though I think I posted
> the data somewhere. In the meanwhile, anyone
> interested in a sample of lava from Mt. Vesuvius
> with a coin firmly embedded in it?
Yes, very. I assume it if from one of the more recent eruptions?
Nathan Tenny
>interested in a sample of lava from Mt. Vesuvius
>with a coin firmly embedded in it?
Aha! So a sufficiently ambitious coin really *can* penetrate solid rock!
NT
--
Nathan Tenny | When the world ends, there'll be no more
Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA | air. That's why it's important to pollute
<nten...@qualcomm.com> | the air now. Before it's too late.
| -- Kathy Acker
Dr H
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Jesse F. Hughes wrote:
}"K. D." <kayem...@spamhotmail.com> writes:
}
}> "Dr H" <hiaw...@efn.org> wrote in message
}>>
}>> Nah. The public announcement of a killfiling is seen as a mark of
}>> status among a certain subset of afuski. And much of the time no
}>> actual killfiling ensues. ;-)
}>
}> Hahahahaha -- I can't decide if it's pathetic or refreshing that certain
}> things are so predictable and unchanging over time. I mean, usually when I
}> go "home" after a lengthy absence, certain things have changed. AFU, on the
}> other hand, stays the same.
}
}And yet, the two of you are just too butt-stupid to notice that it was
}not an AFU regular announcing the plonk, but rather a regular being
}plonked.
}
}Hahahaha indeed. How thrilling it is to see K.D. return for a visit.
}It's so rare to find one with an IQ to match her bra size.
Well Jesse, I see the whoosh birds are mating in your neck of the woods.
Probably time to get a hat...
}The self-congratulatory rebellion you kids aspire to is a bit more
}pathetic than anything else I have seen here.
Oh my. I have no aspirations on Usenet; I save those for Real Life(tm).
}(Apology for the rare indulgence in responding to these two morons,
}but once in a while, you got to scratch that itch.)
Oh don't appologize; feel free to indulge your itch. I always consider
the source, and therefore cannot possibly be offended by your comments.
Carry on.
:-)
Dr H
Dr H
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Joe Boswell wrote:
}AFU does change, although obviously too subtly for KD. Yet her
}sycophancy towards H continues as though time has stood still, as indeed
}has H, still recycling the same old canards with complete
}predictability. Their posts are like watching the umpteenth re-run of
}one of those 70's sit-coms that was not funny the first time round, and
}has not aged well. One wonders what motivates them to such repetitious
}and uncreative activity; could there be some pathology?
Nah, it's just fun. ;-)
But I do agree that afu has changed some.
Dr H
Lon Stowell
> In article <3EE91C5F...@attbi.com>,
> Lon Stowell <lon.s...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
>
>>R H Draney wrote:
>>
>>>In article <BB0EBDF19...@10.0.1.2>,
>>>sla...@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost
>>>says...
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <3f759b93333b437c...@free.teranews.com>,
>>>>dontaskdonttell <n...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A search for "spoon" on the McDonald's official website
>>>>>turns up 0 matches.
>>>>
>>>>There is no spoon.
>>>
>>>
>>>Same result for "spork"....
>>
>> Did you try "runcible"
>
>
>
> Your search - "runcible spork" - did not match any documents.
[cute]
You have to enter the word spork in japanese, since it was
allegedly invented to replace chopsticks in occupied japan.
And never new that a runcible was supposed to have two ends
with a fold in the middle.
R H Draney
>
>Ever notice that *none* of these mind-benders use sporks ? I'm
>gonna be up all night with that one. Could be trying to solve the
>world's travails, but noooooo, I'm gonna be up all night wondering
>why the damn fools don't bend sporks.
>
>Dammit.
I *tried* to bend a spork with my mind once...after about half an hour I gave
up....
Later I noticed that my watch had stopped....r
Alan Follett
> Same result for "spork"....
In vague synchronismitynesshood with this branch of the thread, there's
this inspired bit of classical scholarship posted yesterday to
alt.callhans by Bill Gawne:
"The all-purpose Roman eating utensil: the SPRQ"
Alan "..eryismulencekeit" Follett
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:00:36 GMT, "Charles Wm. Dimmick"
> <cdim...@snet.net> wrote:
>
>
>>In the meanwhile, anyone
>>interested in a sample of lava from Mt. Vesuvius
>>with a coin firmly embedded in it?
>
>
> If it's called Herculaneum, yes.
Sample is about 2 1/2 inches across, and the embedded
coin is that of Victor Emmanuel III, probably from
the eruption of March, 1944.
charles
Jesse F. Hughes
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Jesse F. Hughes wrote:
>
> }And yet, the two of you are just too butt-stupid to notice that it
> }was not an AFU regular announcing the plonk, but rather a regular
> }being plonked.
> }
> }Hahahaha indeed. How thrilling it is to see K.D. return for a visit.
> }It's so rare to find one with an IQ to match her bra size.
>
> Well Jesse, I see the whoosh birds are mating in your neck of the
> woods. Probably time to get a hat...
Yes, no doubt the good Doctor has such subtle and sophisticated wit,
as evidenced by his skillful use of punctuation, that I am simply
unable to keep up. I am sure that is the case.
--
Jesse Hughes
"Ultimately, I can bring the entire mathematical establishment to its
knees... Live in a fantasy world if you wish, but to me that's just
an expression of your intellectual inferiority." --James Harris
Len Berlind
Joe Boswell <j...@bigbad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>AFU does change, although obviously too subtly for KD. Yet her
>sycophancy towards H continues as though time has stood still, as indeed
>has H, still recycling the same old canards with complete
>predictability. Their posts are like watching the umpteenth re-run of
>one of those 70's sit-coms that was not funny the first time round, and
>has not aged well. One wonders what motivates them to such repetitious
>and uncreative activity; could there be some pathology?
Folie a deux. But is there one among us, even the most battle-hardened,
grizzled veteran, who can honestly say that he (or she) was unmoved by
Harry M(agnaminious) F(eelyhead) Teasley's plea for understanding of the
bleak despairing isolation lurking behind the brittle ghastly grinning
mask of Dr H? Have we become so inured to his suffering that we cannot
see beyond his hollow jokes, his lies, his multiple contentless crap
posts, and recognize the underlying pain he feels because no matter what
line of bunk he feeds them, the h4wt chyx always, always, go home with
someone else at closing time? Eh?
L"I know I have."B
Jesse F. Hughes
> In article <BB0EBDF19...@10.0.1.2>, sla...@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost
> says...
>>
>>In article <3f759b93333b437c...@free.teranews.com>,
>>dontaskdonttell <n...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>
>>>A search for "spoon" on the McDonald's official website
>>>turns up 0 matches.
>>
>>There is no spoon.
>
> Same result for "spork"....
Perhaps you should try "foon".
--
Jesse Hughes
"Well, if I can get [my proof of FLT accepted], then I hopefully get a
book deal down the road, and maybe I get to go on 'Oprah'."
James Harris, on the rewards of mathematical endeavours.
Edward Rice
"K. D." <kayem...@spamhotmail.com> wrote:
> Hahahahaha -- I can't decide if it's pathetic or refreshing that certain
> things are so predictable and unchanging over time. I mean, usually
when I
> go "home" after a lengthy absence, certain things have changed. AFU, on
the
> other hand, stays the same.
Feel free to stay away long enough that you can report back on glass
flowing. Perhaps, by then, you'll have changed, too. It'll be an
interesting experiment, won't it?
Lon Stowell
Ingredients:
Superglue
2 panes of glass carefully measured for constant thickness
Pedestal suitably sized
One each type KD as tester
Location:
5.9 Km due east of Mercury Nevada
Procedure:
Superglue tester to pedestal. Superglue 1 pane of
glass in vertical position on tester. Place other
pane of glass as control in temperature controlled
device at 75.3 miles distance south by southwest.
Periodically measure top and bottom of glass pane
superglued to tester, suggested interval of
once per gigafortnight.
Lee Ayrton
> I must reveal the embarrassing fact that I've never even *seen*
> cocaine, much less used it,
Ah, well, thanks to Robin Williams, you too can enjoy the cocaine
experience. This is what you'll need, approximately:
A dozen cups of strong coffee.
A teaspoonful of baking soda.
Several hundred dollars in cash.
Drink all the coffee, very quickly. Snort the baking soda up your nose
and then tear the money into tiny little pieces and fling it out the
window. Enjoy.
> but it seems to me that a) I've seen one of these little spoons and b)
> the angle of repose of powdered cocaine should be such that this
> modification would only cut the capacity of the spoon in half. That's
> not to say that Mickey didn't change it for that reason, but it seems it
> wouldn't have "made it more or less useless for this purpose" unless
> "more or less" means "only half as good." Of course, you'd probably
> spill
Image is everything. They did it in response to rumors in order to be
seen as "doing something".
Len Berlind
Edward Rice <ehr...@his.com> wrote re the execrable K.D.:
>Feel free to stay away long enough that you can report back on glass
>flowing.
Strange synchronicity. Within the past week I have had heard the glass
flowing tale bunked by Anita The Stained Glass Lady and debunked by the
tour guide at Spectrum Glass Works.
Dan Fingerman
<news:bcb83...@drn.newsguy.com>:
>
> I have before me a book called "Google Hacks"
Along those lines, this site is well worth a bookmark:
http://www.buzztoolbox.com/google/
> I'll see if I can come up with a search that will
> locate the necessary term *limited* to the www.mcdonalds.com and
> www.kfc.com domainen....r
Google will search a single domain if you add "site:kfc.com" (without
the quotes) to the end of your query. As far as I can tell, this
works for every domain that Google has indexed, and it often works
better than sites' internal search engines. I have not found a way to
do this for two or more domains in the same search, though.
--
DTM :<|
montana
hatu...@cox.net (Hatunen) wrote:
> McD considered it something of a PR disaster to its strived-for
> wholesome family image to have their spoons being worn around
> people's necks in the drug context, so they hastily tried to
> quash the whole thing.
That people wore these spoons is something I have never seen, read about
or heard about. They broke very easily. It was common (to drug users) to
use these spoons for drug paraphenalia (and not only for coke) in many
parts of the country. I would like to see an example of people wearing
the actual spoons.
R H Draney
>
>R H Draney <dado...@earthlink.net> writes:
>>
>> Same result for "spork"....
>
>Perhaps you should try "foon".
Mine!...r
--
"Perhaps you should try 'foon'."
- Jesse Hughes goes for the hard sell
s76fitz
interview answer-
I was told by a "reputable " drug dealer that the McDonalds
spoon was the standard size of a dime bag of heroin. When that
spoon was discontinued, and were gone, they began to use (and
still do?) the inside rim from the top a toothpaste tube
cover.(the little indentation at the top--a dime bag isn't too
big.) .
- Mr. M. D.
s76fitz
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3612561415&ca
tegory=13592
Lee Ayrton
> In article <3ee8a582...@news.west.cox.net>,
> hatu...@cox.net (Hatunen) wrote:
>
> > McD considered it something of a PR disaster to its strived-for
> > wholesome family image to have their spoons being worn around
> > people's necks in the drug context, so they hastily tried to
> > quash the whole thing.
>
> That people wore these spoons is something I have never seen, read about
> or heard about.
And a corroberating non-sighting here (in the soggy northeastern swamps of
the USofA). Silver coke spoons as jewelry that made a statement, but no
plastic McDonald's coffee stirrers dangling around necks.
As for McDonald's "PR disaster", if the reproduced article posted by
cancona earlier in the thread is correct, the change was the result of a
single telephone call.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl615960172d&selm=bcbd2n%24k0p%241%40pluto.ucc.uno.edu
> They broke very easily. It was common (to drug users) to use these
> spoons for drug paraphenalia (and not only for coke) in many parts of
> the country. I would like to see an example of people wearing the actual
> spoons.
But isn't the folklore "McDonald's stirrers were commonly used as drug
paraphenalia"? And isn't the Fb flag in the FAQ there because, while
McDonald's did change the design in response to the rumors, it doesn't
seem to have been common at all? Or am I confused?
Who is editing that part of the AFQ? Explication, please?
Jesse F. Hughes
> In article <874r2sv...@phiwumbda.localnet>, jes...@cs.kun.nl says...
>>
>>R H Draney <dado...@earthlink.net> writes:
>>>
>>> Same result for "spork"....
>>
>>Perhaps you should try "foon".
>
> Mine!...r
>
> --
> "Perhaps you should try 'foon'."
> - Jesse Hughes goes for the hard sell
Well, sure, if you quote it out of context, it's bound to look a
little silly, isn't it?
--
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viewed with the appropriate Plug-in. Click OK to download Plugin."
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Hatunen
<mon...@wildhack.invalid> wrote:
>In article <3ee8a582...@news.west.cox.net>,
> hatu...@cox.net (Hatunen) wrote:
>
>> McD considered it something of a PR disaster to its strived-for
>> wholesome family image to have their spoons being worn around
>> people's necks in the drug context, so they hastily tried to
>> quash the whole thing.
>
>That people wore these spoons is something I have never seen, read about
>or heard about. They broke very easily.
But were easily replaceable. It was, after all, intendend to be
humorous.
>It was common (to drug users) to
>use these spoons for drug paraphenalia (and not only for coke) in many
>parts of the country. I would like to see an example of people wearing
>the actual spoons.
Not too likely since they are no longer available. But I have
personally seen one person wearing one, some twenty years ago.
************* DAVE HATUNEN (hat...@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
cancona
news:Pine.GSO.4.43.03061...@sea.ntplx.net...
<snip>
> > In article <3ee8a582...@news.west.cox.net>,
> > hatu...@cox.net (Hatunen) wrote:
> > > McD considered it something of a PR disaster to its strived-for
> > > wholesome family image to have their spoons being worn around
> > > people's necks in the drug context, so they hastily tried to
> > > quash the whole thing.
> As for McDonald's "PR disaster", if the reproduced article posted by
> cancona earlier in the thread is correct, the change was the result of a
> single telephone call.
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl615960172d&selm=bcbd2n%24k0p%241%40pl
uto.ucc.uno.edu
I have received a reply from Joyce Nalepka, the activist who was credited
with the "one phone call." It coincides nicely with story in my previous
post, the only difference being that it is not clear that McDonald's
instantaneously penned a press release.
Ms. Nalepka also states that:
"There is also note of it in a book titled: Marijuana Alert, by Peggy Mann,
I believe."
I have asked Ms Nalepka for her permission to post the email response to the
group.
I have emailed McDonald's but have so far received only an autoreply that
assures me that my email will be answered ASAP.
As to the questions raised about the FAQ entry...the site keeps 404ing me so
I don't know if the entries are linked to anything.
Caeli "" Ancona
Matthew W. Miller
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Joe Boswell wrote:
> }as though time has stood still, as indeed has H, still recycling the
> }same old canards with complete predictability.
Case in point.
--
Matthew W. Miller <mwmi...@columbus.rr.com>
Dave Longyear
Does this mean an offical change to the FAQ, then?
--Dave Longyear
-- Dave Longyear
Dr H
On Sat, 14 Jun 2003, Jesse F. Hughes wrote:
}Dr H <hiaw...@efn.org> writes:
}
}> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Jesse F. Hughes wrote:
}>
}> }And yet, the two of you are just too butt-stupid to notice that it
}> }was not an AFU regular announcing the plonk, but rather a regular
}> }being plonked.
}> }
}> }Hahahaha indeed. How thrilling it is to see K.D. return for a visit.
}> }It's so rare to find one with an IQ to match her bra size.
}>
}> Well Jesse, I see the whoosh birds are mating in your neck of the
}> woods. Probably time to get a hat...
}
}Yes, no doubt the good Doctor has such subtle and sophisticated wit,
}as evidenced by his skillful use of punctuation, that I am simply
}unable to keep up. I am sure that is the case.
Very good. You know, admitting you have a problem is the first
step in overcoming it. Congratulations! :-)
Dr H
Dr H
On Sat, 14 Jun 2003, Len Berlind wrote:
}In article <R+DDMHIz...@bigbad.demon.co.uk>,
}Joe Boswell <j...@bigbad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
}>AFU does change, although obviously too subtly for KD. Yet her
}>sycophancy towards H continues as though time has stood still, as indeed
}>has H, still recycling the same old canards with complete
}>predictability. Their posts are like watching the umpteenth re-run of
}>one of those 70's sit-coms that was not funny the first time round, and
}>has not aged well. One wonders what motivates them to such repetitious
}>and uncreative activity; could there be some pathology?
}
}Folie a deux. But is there one among us, even the most battle-hardened,
}grizzled veteran, who can honestly say that he (or she) was unmoved by
}Harry M(agnaminious) F(eelyhead) Teasley's plea for understanding of the
}bleak despairing isolation lurking behind the brittle ghastly grinning
}mask of Dr H? Have we become so inured to his suffering that we cannot
}see beyond his hollow jokes, his lies,
How fascinating, these endless repetitions about my "lies," sans cites.
In some quarters that might be considered a tad rude, but amongst the
double standards status quo of afu, it's right at home. Do carry on,
Len; always nice to hear from you. :-)
}his multiple contentless crap
}posts, and recognize the underlying pain he feels because no matter what
}line of bunk he feeds them, the h4wt chyx always, always, go home with
}someone else at closing time? Eh?
Maybe you need to get out more?
Dr H
Marc Reeve
> On or about Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Mike Beede of be...@visi.com wrote:
> > I must reveal the embarrassing fact that I've never even *seen*
> > cocaine, much less used it,
>
> Ah, well, thanks to Robin Williams, you too can enjoy the cocaine
> experience. This is what you'll need, approximately:
>
> A dozen cups of strong coffee.
> A teaspoonful of baking soda.
> Several hundred dollars in cash.
>
> Drink all the coffee, very quickly. Snort the baking soda up your nose
> and then tear the money into tiny little pieces and fling it out the
> window. Enjoy.
>
"Why do you take cocaine? <slurred>It enhances my personality.</slurred>
Okay... but what if you're an asshole?"
Marc "about the only thing i remember from 'Bill Cosby: Himself'" Reeve
--
Marc Reeve
actual email address after removal of 4s & spaces is
c4m4r4a4m4a4n a4t c4r4u4z4i4o d4o4t c4o4m
TeaLady (Mari C.)
news:1fwns1t.1wxhbr3mmpvdqN%marc...@nospam.calm:
> I have always enjoyed Dr. William Cosby's take on cocaine:
>
> "Why do you take cocaine? <slurred>It enhances my
> personality.</slurred> Okay... but what if you're an asshole?"
>
> Marc "about the only thing i remember from 'Bill Cosby:
> Himself'" Reeve
>
Come here. Come HERE. Comhere comhere comere come Come Here
Comehere YOU Come Here
--
Tea"And pull your lip over your forehead while you are at it"Lady
(mari)
...But now I'm feeling so much better, I could cakewalk into town.
http://sewers.artinfo.ru/exhibition/exhib-e.htm, for those who like
the covers better than the holes.
ctbishop
<cdim...@snet.net> wrote:
[Charles goes throught the layers on his desk, snipped]
>In the meanwhile, anyone
>interested in a sample of lava from Mt. Vesuvius
>with a coin firmly embedded in it?
Keep going and let us know when you get to the Burgess Shale.
Charles, t'other Charles will *have* a piece of the Shale as well as one
that is still mud.
ctbishop
Berlind) wrote:
And vectored by Bill Bryson[1] in his new book _A Short History of Nearly
Everything_, ISBN 0-7679-0817-1.
Charles
[1] I propose a new unit of Vectorization, the Bryson, but don't know what
dimensions it should have: /book, /chapter, /paragraph or /page.
Lee Ayrton
> And vectored by Bill Bryson[1] in his new book _A Short History of Nearly
> Everything_, ISBN 0-7679-0817-1.
> [1] I propose a new unit of Vectorization, the Bryson, but don't know what
> dimensions it should have: /book, /chapter, /paragraph or /page.
Density, perhaps?
Madeleine Page
> "Dr H" <hiaw...@efn.org> wrote in message
>> Nah. The public announcement of a killfiling is seen as a mark of
>> status among a certain subset of afuski. And much of the time no
>> actual killfiling ensues. ;-)
>
> Hahahahaha -- I can't decide if it's pathetic or refreshing that certain
> things are so predictable and unchanging over time. I mean, usually when I
> go "home" after a lengthy absence, certain things have changed. AFU, on the
> other hand, stays the same.
Boy, does it ever.
Dear lord. I've been out of afu for eighteen months, and log back on, and
what do I find? H wittering on about how nasty people on afu are, and KD
with her humourless laugh doing her mechanical imitation of spontaneity,
and wittering on about how nasty people on afu are.
Are your lives *really* that impoverished that you need to keep this up
for year after year? It's sort of sad, really it is.
Madeleine "remembering why I dropped out of afu" Page
--
Visit my home page! Sign my imaginary guestbook!
www.mpage.net
Steve Howarth
"Madeleine Page" <mp...@mpage.net> wrote in message
news:beps3n$8q7$1...@reader1.panix.com...
Well, piss off and good riddance then. Looking back at the subject/from
lines for the last fortnight, I see no-one called H or KD. I find very
little nastiness on this site. By the way, what did your post have to do
with McDonald's Coffee Stirrers?
Steve Howarth
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> "Madeleine Page" <mp...@mpage.net> wrote
>>>"Dr H" <hiaw...@efn.org> wrote in message
>>>> Nah. The public announcement of a killfiling is seen as a mark of
>>>> status
>>>things are so predictable and unchanging over time.
>>Boy, does it ever.
>>
>>Dear lord. I've been out of afu for eighteen months, and log back on, and
>>what do I find? H wittering on about how nasty people on afu are, and KD
>>with her humourless laugh doing her mechanical imitation of spontaneity,
>>and wittering on about how nasty people on afu are.
>>
>>Are your lives *really* that impoverished that you need to keep this up
>>for year after year? It's sort of sad, really it is.
> Well, piss off and good riddance then.
My dear Sir! Nobody, but nobody should tell the Ice Weasel
to piss off! After all, if your sainted Grandmother should
happen to drop by would you tell her to piss off? Come to
think of it, maybe you would, but the rest of us have better
manners.
Charles Wm. Dimmick
--
"And some rin up hill and down dale, knapping the
chucky stanes to pieces wi' hammers, like sae mony
road-makers run daft -- they say it is to see how
the warld was made!"
John Francis
Steve Howarth <ma...@stevehowarth.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
. . .
>> K. D. <kayem...@spamhotmail.com> writes:
>> > "Dr H" <hiaw...@efn.org> wrote in message
. . .
>Well, piss off and good riddance then. Looking back at the subject/from
>lines for the last fortnight, I see no-one called H or KD.
There's none so blind as those who deliberately refuse to see ...
--
Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your Father. Prepare to die.
R H Draney
>> what do I find? H wittering on about how nasty people on afu are, and KD
>> with her humourless laugh doing her mechanical imitation of spontaneity,
>> and wittering on about how nasty people on afu are.
>>
>> Are your lives *really* that impoverished that you need to keep this up
>> for year after year? It's sort of sad, really it is.
>>
>> Madeleine "remembering why I dropped out of afu" Page
>
>lines for the last fortnight, I see no-one called H or KD. I find very
>little nastiness on this site. By the way, what did your post have to do
>with McDonald's Coffee Stirrers?
Oh, good...finally something worth watching....
R H "getting the popcorn ready now" Draney
Andy Walton
<ma...@stevehowarth.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> "Madeleine Page" <mp...@mpage.net> wrote in message
> news:beps3n$8q7$1...@reader1.panix.com...
> > Are your lives *really* that impoverished that you need to keep this up
> > for year after year? It's sort of sad, really it is.
> >
> > Madeleine "remembering why I dropped out of afu" Page
> Well, piss off and good riddance then.
Bedding prepared, wolves summoned, medical examiner on speed dial.
--
The idea of going completely crazy on laughing gas in the middle of
a DAs' drug conference had a definite warped appeal. But not on the
*first day,* I thought. Save that for later.
-- Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
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Len Berlind
Steve Howarth <ma...@stevehowarth.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> I find very little nastiness on this site.
"Site"? You're posting to a Usenet newsgroup, dumbshit. If you can
manage to pull your head out of your ass for a few seconds we'll be glad
to point you in the right direction and you can find all the nastiness you
want. After all, we're here to help.
But Which "site" is
that you naff little stoat?
Lon Stowell
> In article <beq5l4$656$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, Steve Howarth
> <ma...@stevehowarth.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> "Madeleine Page" <mp...@mpage.net> wrote in message
>> news:beps3n$8q7$1...@reader1.panix.com...
>
>> > Are your lives *really* that impoverished that you need to keep this up
>> > for year after year? It's sort of sad, really it is.
>> >
>> > Madeleine "remembering why I dropped out of afu" Page
>
>> Well, piss off and good riddance then.
>
> Bedding prepared, wolves summoned, medical examiner on speed dial.
If you drop an entire colony of piss ants into the waters
near a Great White Shark, my bet is that the shark simply
ignores them.
Harry MF Teasley
> Well, piss off and good riddance then. Looking back at the subject/from
> lines for the last fortnight, I see no-one called H or KD. I find very
> little nastiness on this site. By the way, what did your post have to do
> with McDonald's Coffee Stirrers?
And what does your post have to do with bling bling blickety blong?
Get fucked and come back smiling, ya git.
Harry "it's a PTT reunion tour, is what it is" Teasley
--
"And why do we need to see your favorite quote after your name? Why do we
need a whole closing to-do? Get in and get out." -LF
Visit the AFU archives at www.urbanlegends.com
Elizabeth Jones
Harry MF Teasley <he...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>And what does your post have to do with bling bling blickety blong?
>
>Get fucked and come back smiling, ya git.
>
>Harry "it's a PTT reunion tour, is what it is" Teasley
Push To Talk?
--
Ebeth Jones
"a ranch style imbues our next listing" -- realtor-speak
Lizz Holmans
<ma...@stevehowarth.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
(delete a lot of useless wittering)
>Steve Howarth
Steve, old boy, do us all a favor and fuck off. Now would be
convenient.
Lizz 'I will fight for the Ice Weasel's honor--which is more than I
ever did for mine' Holmans
--
Boys is easier, and if you have sons it's worth trying for three.
Nanny Ogg
Alice Faber
> Steve Howarth <ma...@stevehowarth.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Well, piss off and good riddance then. Looking back at the subject/from
> > lines for the last fortnight, I see no-one called H or KD. I find very
> > little nastiness on this site. By the way, what did your post have to do
> > with McDonald's Coffee Stirrers?
>
> And what does your post have to do with bling bling blickety blong?
>
> Get fucked and come back smiling, ya git.
>
> Harry "it's a PTT reunion tour, is what it is" Teasley
Or it will be, once Tepper shows up...
Alice "waiting in eager anticipation" Faber
--
"Even rain as hard as a cow pissing on a flat rock beats ice when
you're driving." -- Life 101, as taught by TM Oliver
Dr H
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Madeleine Page wrote:
}Dear lord. I've been out of afu for eighteen months, and log back on, and
}what do I find? H wittering on about how nasty people on afu are, and KD
}with her humourless laugh doing her mechanical imitation of spontaneity,
}and wittering on about how nasty people on afu are.
}
}Are your lives *really* that impoverished that you need to keep this up
}for year after year? It's sort of sad, really it is.
Think of it as performance art.
Dr H
Marc Reeve
> Harry MF Teasley <he...@panix.com> wrote:
>
> >Harry "it's a PTT reunion tour, is what it is" Teasley
>
> Push To Talk?
Page, Teasley and Tepper, AFU's legal staff.
It'd be wonderful if Michele Tepper came back too. The artistic level of
meanyheadedness when PTT were in full flower was a marvel to behold.
Marc "ah, the good old days before eternal September" Reeve
Phil Edwards
<ma...@stevehowarth.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> Dear lord. I've been out of afu for eighteen months, and log back on, and
>> what do I find? H wittering on about how nasty people on afu are, and KD
>> with her humourless laugh doing her mechanical imitation of spontaneity,
>> and wittering on about how nasty people on afu are.
>>
>> Are your lives *really* that impoverished that you need to keep this up
>> for year after year? It's sort of sad, really it is.
>>
>> Madeleine "remembering why I dropped out of afu" Page
>Well, piss off and good riddance then.
Curious.
>I find very little nastiness on this site.
Apparently you're in agreement with Madeleine, whom you just told to
piss off (although I doubt that she thinks she's posting to a 'site').
Increasingly curious.
>By the way, what did your post have to do
>with McDonald's Coffee Stirrers?
Thread drift? Erk! I've revised the Subject line for your benefit.
P "an interesting case" E
--
Phil Edwards http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/amroth/
"The question is only whether the universe beyond the visible fringe
is infinite in number of monkeys." - Hugh Gibbons, cosmologist